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I believe that he had to return to his home country. But, I do not have a concrete source - so I would suggest that you ask around in the Complex. Perhaps the successor bar, East Lounge may know. It would be nice to know where all of those sexy Cambodians went? There are around 35 bars in the complex, and in my opinion, ONLY the former Double Shot bar did anything fun to SPICE things up by having the guys remove their shirts at 10 pm. Most of the other bars follow the less exciting program of: Falang sit and Faland drink = boring

Double Shot moved from Sunee Plaza to the Jomtien Supertown Complex. Yes, he was the same owner. It was my favorite bar in the complex because at 10pm all of the guys took off their shirts - as they were mostly sexy guys from Cambodia. Unfortunately, Double Shot closed some months ago and is now the new East Lounge.

My cleaning ladies will come to my condo on Friday morning and I cannot wait to show them this advertisement. But, I don't want to push it too much as they might want to make a counteroffer - YUCK!!! I adore the both of them - but no way for a blowjob - even with my ED testosterone injections..... yuck!!!

While going to breakfast after the gym this morning - I passed this light pole just outside of the Jomtien Supertown Complex with this interesting advertisement on it. Do you think that they are advertising for a blowjob or for a cleaning ?

hmmm - maybe Rob's got a point Vinapu I could take you to the weekly (Wednesday) Jomtien Supertown Complex BINGO night at the @Home bar and you can even win some money. Think what you could do with that "fresh" BINGO jackpot baht cash ?

and that decision is part of the reason why Boyztown has lost its former appeal (excitement). the other being that the Boyztown anchor = BoyzBoyzBoyz - most of the guys on the stage are fully dressed now (how boring) and the place is now focusing on the Asian (Chinese, Korean) crowd So for me, like Vinapu mentioned above - the remaining fun places are now mostly outside of Boyztown (with the exception of Toy Boy) - just a couple of streets over - at: X-Boys Pattaya https://www.xboyspattaya.com/x-boys/welcome https://www.facebook.com/groups/xboyspattaya/ Dream Boys https://www.facebook.com/p/ดรีมบอย-พัทยา-100063778861133/

After seeing you in May - I started to implement a similar rationalization methodology with my Thai friends when they ask me to spend money on what they deem to be FUN. My rebuttal is now - if I spend X how many orgasms will I get in return? Remember when they were complaining because I was proud to go to Bangkok with you for my "bootcamp training" - because they all told me - no, we can take you to Bangkok and show you the city - which would be shopping malls, fancy restaurants, and anything where they could show off on their social media accounts - where I would need to foot the bill. When I told them that with you that I would be guaranteed so many orgasms for a lot less money then it would cost me to take them to Bangkok for their "tour" they were not happy. I noticed that when I went to BKK for my birthday in August - they already understood to not ask me what I really wanted for my birthday. So, with "# of orgasms" in the denominator - truly helps to reduce frivolous spending.

I just now finished a 4 hands massage and one of the 2 "masseurs" was a guy who works in the Sunee Intimate Boy Bar within the Jomtien Supertown Complex and I asked him about what happened based on @Olddaddy post and he did say that the bar had to shut down for a day or 2 - as per a "delicate incident" - which has now been resolved and all is back to normal. Even yesterday, the Twitter (X) page for @GaySupertown was updated with the below photo of the 14 guys who work there. My masseur guy is not in the below photo - he said that he is shy. But it is amazing that 15 guys can work in one small bar - but they do put on dance shows for entertainment and it is right next door to The Venue - one of the 2 cabaret bars in the complex.

I disagree - when I reviewed the CCTV footage with the security team and also with my main Thai friend who organizes my 4 hands massages for me - we could see that this guy was: lying to everyone about his true intentions with contradicting stories to me and to the security team, you don't ring someone's doorbell incessantly at 2:50am and then lie about it that you made a mistake. I think that the truth is that his Thai bank account was put in restricted status perhaps due to "mule" activities and his bank wanted documentation about what was going on. As an ex-banker myself, there was NO-Way I was going to get involved in this - as it can quickly become a dragnet where you can also be implicated.

I need to go over and visit these places - as they are getting repetitive rave reviews and I have not yet ventured there yet. I adore your current writing style and I never felt that they were full of "extended waffling" - I often find joy in extra words as sometimes the magic or what made a situation unique is hidden in this "extended waffling".

When I moved from the USA to Italy in 1999 - I was very surprised by the number of men who identified as "bi-sex" rather than "gay" - because back then it was more acceptable to be "bi-sex" then gay - a lot to do with the fact that Italy hosts the Vatican and the conservative nature of many Italian rural families. I wonder if now in 2024, more Italians would now finally feel safe to identify as gay instead of bi-sex. Another Italian friend of mine told me that being bi-sex has always been in the Italian culture from the Roman Gladiator timeframe, where it was quite normal for men to have both a wife - for procreation purposes and one or more boy-toys to play with and to have sex with - as this was often standard practice. So, perhaps this is why many Italian men identified as bi-sex ?

I LOVE this rationalization methodology - bravo!!

their boys sporting their 'constipated model' looks I love the way you describe the Jupiter guys - and I agree totally. BUT, when I was @vinapu in August at Jupiter - we had the privilege to sit upstairs where most of the guys did not keep the 'constipated model' look - until they would descend the stairs onto the stage for Showtime - where constipation is required. and what a happy ending - you helped the guy to release his tension from 1 week of constant constipation Bravo!!!

or the contrary - to make old retired me look like an Greek Adonis porn star? :>)) would anyone in Jomtien - Pattaya believe it if I send said video around? hahahahaha - they would say = Ba Farang!!!

I traveled alone - but I was one of many passengers on the speedboat. I stopped bringing my Thai friends to Koh Larn because all they do is hide in the shade underneath the trees, sleep, and complain it is too hot. They don't join me to play and swim in the clean sea water because they do not want to get brown or tanned. So, I go alone and save my money and I truly enjoy myself.

I went to Koh Larn island yesterday, Sunday 15 September 2024. I took speedboat from the Bali Hai pier - 150 baht each way and 20 to 25 minute ride. I prefer the western side of the island (beaches are better) so I use the AM (green) speedboat service to Tawan beach and then I rent a motorbike for 300 or 400 baht and I drive across the hill over to my FAVORITE beach = Tien beach. See my 2022 trip report to Koh Larn for more granular details.

I have this app on my mobile phone and it is VERY useful. I lost my motorbike driving license on nearby Koh Larn 6 months prior and I was able to use the digital facsimile on the app whenever I was stopped for a control.

@macaroni21 I agree with what you wrote 200%. There are already 2 websites, with social media attached to them, and unfortunately, in my opinion, they receive a small amount of views, due to poor marketing - I am not aware of any GLOBAL outreach to the greater community - like you mentioned (France, Korea, etc.). The 2 websites that I am aware of are: https://www.gaysupertown.com/home https://jomtiencomplex.com/ In my humble opinion, they should: 1.) Unite the marketing and advertising with Boyztown, Jomtien Supertown Complex, and Sunee Plaza, 2.) Market to those gays who are thinking about places to retire - and make Pattaya - Jomtien a known global retirement destination (HUB), like the Canary Islands, Key West, Mykonos, Palm Springs, Ibiza - Sitges are, 3.) Same as the above number 2, but with an emphasis on Pattaya - Jomtien as a gay vacation tourist destination --> especially in light of 2 recent Thailand government initiatives: - legalization of gay marriage, - government's desire to host the 2030 World Gay Pride event. There are so many positive things that could be done - because the current 2 local websites are only local in nature and are inward focused, instead of being outward focused with a global emphasis.

I will spare the members the boredom about what is my 4-4-4 plan. @jason1975 here is a link where I wrote about it.

recon.com might reveal some that are into it....? Thanks Rob. I was not aware of this app or site. I will try it, but it may be more hardcore than what I am looking for.

haha @vinapu - after living here now for 2 full years - the number of people that know what 'edging' is - nill / null. I wish that I could do as you say, "Just look around and take your pick". It is not possible as edging is not an activity in the Thai vernacular. Ironically, in my Twitter (X) research to implement my 4-4-4 plan for next year 2025 - I see that in The Philippines there is a HUGE awareness for edging - but in Thailand and Vietnam there is almost no awareness.

Each bar, restaurant, massage shop, hotel in the Jomtien Complex pays their rent/lease to the Jomtien Complex office. These funds are used to enhance and maintain the appearance of the Supertown Complex - of which these new marquee signs are part of. Just yesterday, a bar owner told me that the small massage shop in front of his bar was paying 40.000 baht monthly as their rent to the Jomtien Complex office. So, if you look at the below official Supertown Jomtien Complex map - you can see that there are in excess of 50 business entities inside of the Complex. Let us say that the average rental fee is 20.000 baht * 50 entities = 1.000.000 baht per month - as a conservative income for the Jomtien Complex leasing office. It is most likely higher - so they can definitely afford to pay for 2 new large marquees to adorn the complex. Tonight I was joking with many of the various business owners where the new marquee displays a sexy muscle man. I asked them where are these muscle guys in the complex? They all laughed and said to me only young twinks here. One astute business owner said to me look at the color of the hair of the sexy muscle guy - it is not natural - what Thai guy has blond hair?

Breaking news - as of 3:45pm on 14 Sep 2024 Looks like a brand spanking new marquee is going up for the Supertown Jomtien Walking Street (Jomtien Complex). I will be in the complex later tonight to see if they managed to get it hoisted and plugged in and illuminated. Note the nice sexy muscle guy on the top right portion of the marquee. If only it was true that you could find muscle hunks in the Supertown complex - instead it is twink heaven. So, it seems that big investments are being made for the forthcoming next HIGH season = Yahoo!!!

Thanks @macaroni21 for posting your thorough and very informative response. I agree with your findings that most of us end up practicing SIDE activities more often than we expect. However, for me, the invention of the new SIDE category, back in 2013, was a liberating blessing for me. I never fully identified with TOP - as it implied that I needed to penetrate BOTTOMs - and I never truly enjoyed anal sex with penetration. The new SIDE category, relieved me of that stress of having to identify as a TOP (with what that would falsely imply to the bottoms of the world - that I would desire to TOP them) which allowed me to gain a new "out of the TOP closet" freedom. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/20/rise-of-the-sides-how-grindr-finally-recognized-gay-men-who-arent-tops-or-bottoms The term side was coined in 2013 by the sex therapist and author Dr Joe Kort, but only in the last year has it gained glimmers of acknowledgment in the wider gay world. Eighteen months ago, Dr Kort made a private Facebook group page called Side Guys to give the men a forum for acceptance and, perhaps, to start a movement. “I wanted to create a community,” he said. “I wanted to help people get rid of the loneliness and the shame.” Back in 2014 after Dr Joe Kort invented the new sexual activity category = SIDE - I started petitioning PlanetRomeo to add this as a new category - when identifying your sexual activity preference in your Romeo profile. It was an uphill battle, as I found an insensitivity amongst the gatekeepers who did not want to further fragment the 3 traditional categories of: TOP, BOTTOM, VERSITILE. As I was an activist in my mid-to-late 20s (late 1980s) when I lived in NYC, I remember protesting in the streets of New York for Gay Rights, AIDS funding, Access to proper AIDS medicines, etc. - Then in 2014, I felt like I had to start all over again within the gay community for the right to identify as a SIDE and to have the ability via the database search function to be able to find other like minded SIDEs within the various apps. Nowadays, Hornet, Grindr, Romeo now have the new SIDE category in their apps. Unfortunately, HeeSay (formerly BLUED) has still not yet added it. @macaroni21 from my understanding of the new SIDE definition, it would include those whose primary interest is blowjobs. In fact, there is now a new app for people in this category, known as TheBlowers - Twitter (X) - @TheBlowers Web - https://www.theblowers.com Where within the app you can identify as: a TOP (Blowie) - wanting to get a blowjob, a BOTTOM (Blower) - wanting to give a blowjob, BOTH - into both above stated blowjob activities An appeal to all of you - if you know of any other SIDE apps - that specialize in EDGING I would be greatly indebted - as it is very difficult to find other edgers to play with.

I am also a side. You have an excellent success rate at picking guys who fuck each other during your 4 hands massage. I want to try it but I don't know how to broach the topic with the massage guys. Wow Jason. I thank you for outing yourself as a SIDE. It is nice to know that we are not alone and that we do not need to force ourselves into the former labels of; TOP or BOTTOM. Regarding my success, it was based on luck. Why? Because I would request 's' or 'ss' activities where the guys agreed to that type of program (they would often tell me that it is easier money for them than 'h' activities) --> but during the session, the 2 guys would sometimes get into the hottness of each other, and would ask to move into 'h' activities. I never requested 'h' activities - they would evolve on their own based on the desires of the 2 guys. Sometimes they would ask me to be a participating member, as to be a bottom, but I would decline (too much pain for me) and on rare occassions I would be a top for a little bit - but I can never reach on orgasm that way, so, I always revert back to my SIDE edging preferences. But, it is all fun and nice to sometimes be fluid and just go with the flow....