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so true - here in Pattaya we don't have anything similar. When you go to a massage shop here in Pattaya it is like going to the fish market - all the available guys are sitting outside the shop in the shade sweating in the unbearable hot heat and the minute you approach they all start yelling at you and even pulling at you to chose them. I find the process awkward and intimidating. In Pattaya, there is no booking system nor Line listing of available guys with their stats. In Bangkok - you can join the Line of the shop that you are interested in and receive an advance listing with photos and sometimes other pertinent information (age, weight, sexual preference, etc.). Then you can communicate via Line with the manager about which guys that you are interested in and then arrange a booking. You arrive at the shop an there is NO group of guys sitting outside waiting to pounce on you to choose them like in a fish market. Instead, you take off your shoes, enter the shop, someone runs over to you to give you a cold towel to cool off your face / neck. You sit down in a beautiful calm airconditioned environment with nice music playing. A manager comes and brings you water or tea. Then perhaps the guy that you booked brings to you a selection of massage oils that you can sniff and choose which one you prefer for your massage. If only Pattaya had a civilized massage experience like Bangkok has ......

Title was not misleading for me - as it was truly a Boot Camp experience for me. The "training" and information sharing that you gave me in BKK is invaluable. Thanks again Vinapu - I look forward to the next segments of your/our trip - as I love reliving it.

yes, I remember that moment very well. It was just a fantasy and I would never execute on it, as I also agree that it would be rude. My fantasy was that we were all sitting together at the same table having breakfast with our prior night catches and then agreeing to cross share contact information for future encounters - of course with the blessing and positive ok of each individual farang and his associated guy.

Does this include having breakfast at UNESCO Heritage (Patpong) ? I was fascinated by the idea that you go there for breakfast with your fresh catch from the night before and then you see all of the other farangs doing the same - and then you can have an opportunity to "off" one of the other guys - thus bypassing the minimum drink requirement, off fee to the bar, etc. But does an off fee need to be paid to the farang for taking his guy (of course after their business is concluded) ? hahahahaha

Thanks Moses for your very thorough explanation and guidance. There was talk about (rumor) where they would count the number of actual days spent in Thailand as displayed in your passport (for citizens of multiple countries [with multiple passports] - the one that has your Thailand visa) to determine the 183 days threshold and maybe tying that to your visa renewal with immigration - where if you exceeded the 183 days immigration may ask to see your Thai tax ID number and related Thai tax filings (if required). In tax year 2023, I was outside of Thailand for 7 months for work reasons but I maintained a 12 month "residence" in Thailand - and I declared this as my bona-fide residence for purposes of determining my primary residence - as I had 2 residences in 2023 - but the other residence back in Europe was not "permanent" in nature as it was connected to my temporary work contract. So, if in tax year 2025, I were to live in 3 different countries - but maintained a 12 month "residence" in one of these 3 countries (demonstrated by a 12 month rental agreement), wouldn't that country be my primary bona-fide residence - as it would also be linked to my 12 month visa in said country (with a right to stay as displayed on the visa) ?

I attended the 12 June 2024 PCEC (Pattaya City Expat Club) meeting PCEC where a presentation was given about the Thai government's new proposal to tax our global income if we are deemed to be tax residents (living in Thailand for more than 180 days - but the expert quoted 183 days - which I found strange). Below is the Youtube link to the 53 minute presentation that was given by Thomas Carden and related Q&A. He basically gave 3 possible alternatives: Make sure that you do not become a tax resident - live in Thailand less than 180 days. At the timestamp = 27.32 in the above Youtube video, I asked the hypothetical question about living in 3 countries for 4 months each (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia - or any other country that you desire) - and which country for your @home tax filing would be your primary out of home country primary residence? Move your out of Thailand assets to a special trust in Hong Kong - where they would not be taxable when the funds would be sent into Thailand. I found this part of the meeting difficult to follow - especially for us retirees who already reside in Thailand and are already receiving active pension payments from countries outside of Thailand - as to how these assets would be moved to Hong Kong and even if I would want to even contemplate this idea. I remained skeptical. Remain in Thailand as tax resident and request a Thailand tax ID and make the required tax filing. Obviously, you would need to find a tax accountant who would be specialized in tax treaties to avoid double taxation who would understand your specific financial situation as well as your back @home tax filing (if required). I can tell you that the mood in the packed meeting was not pleasant and many people were quite surprised what we were hearing the speaker say. Below are links to 3 related articles written by the local Pattaya journalist, Barry Kenyon, who writes for the Pattaya Mail. Barry is also a frequent speaker at the PCEC meetings and was in attendance at this 12 June 2024 meeting. https://www.pattayamail.com/news/forensic-handwriting-analysis-and-thailand-proposal-to-tax-global-income-were-the-two-topics-at-the-pattaya-city-expats-club-463293 https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/dont-panic-experienced-tax-adviser-tells-expat-club-in-pattaya-463018 https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/foreigners-are-frantic-about-thai-income-tax-blurs-463107 I complained to one of my local astute Thai friends about all of this and he replied to me, "it is your European OECD that is pushing Thailand to tax global income...." Also, what was illuminating is that one of the recent Thai election campaign promises was to give Thai citizens a digital wallet with 10.000 baht in it. Well now the Thai government is looking for ways to fund this HUGE campaign promise and us tax resident farangs are an easy target as we don't have a voice nor any rights to protest about it - except with our feet - because, if this global taxation is realized, some of us will choose to only live in Thailand part time or not live in Thailand at all. So, what will that cost the government? Thoughts / comments ? Would this influence your decision to retire in Thailand ?

Hi Oz. What gives? I am a member of Massage Insider and 3 additional massage groups on Line and X. I only paid 300 baht to each group administrator to become a member in year 2023.

Wow Marc, You truly are a wealth of historical information and a breath of fresh air. I love this kind of gay historical details from the past, as it truly helps to understand what we see, feel, and experience (or are not able to experience) in today's gay Pattaya world. It is rich in details where the history is quickly evaporating due to the passing of our fellow founders of gay Pattaya from the past. These legacies are still vivid as we can sometimes see them in the remaining building facades - which are often covered up by what is new today. I truly believe that if we can understand our past we can see where we are going. It would be great if there was a small museum that retained all of this information of Pattaya's gay past - as well as even Bangkok's - especially with the loss of soi Twilight - which for me was just as magical as was the Pattaya Boyztown main walkway where the 9pm BBB parade was. It was those memories that pushed me to retire in Thailand. The famous youtuber, Bangkok Pat, sometimes alludes to the former gay past of Bangkok. Is there a Bangkok Pat equivalent for Pattaya ?

Wow Marc - I could not have said it better. Yes, the joy of going to Boyztown was the UNEXPECTED - not knowing what pleasant and tantalizing surprise was coming your way --> and this was the MAGIC of the place to make you want to come back for more and more and more.... To add to what you wrote above - also the noise level has become ear threatening. I can only enter BBB now with ear plugs and I hate wearing them as you get a distorted perception and unpleasant reality. The last time that I entered into BBB without ear plugs I had constant ringing in my ears for days and in my left ear I temporarily lost 50% of my ability to hear from it - it eventually was back to normal after one week. That is too high a price to pay for mediocre entertainment. Marc - these are your BEST words yet. I try in vain to say the same words to my Thai friends in the Jomtien Supertown Complex but they always reply to me: you too farang - you do not understand the Thai ways, the old people that come to Supertown do not use technology, in Thai society it is not correct to go against what everybody else is doing - when I bitch about the stale mantra of 'farang sit and farang drink" And Marc, I would add to your list a place for us old-farts to dance to our generational music - but at early hours like from 8pm until midnight - that would be a Godsend - as it would get us up on our feet and out of those boring chairs and get us to have some physical action - which can only be good for our health - a win win for everybody - we can live longer, get healthy, and have fun, and the Thais can get more satangs from us before we pass on to the next life.....

Thanks everybody for your feedback and opinions. Regarding PDE5 inhibitors, I have been on these for many years already and they are starting to have diminishing returns. I also hate the side effects; diarrhea, bloated bowels, and sometimes head pain. I also hate that it makes sex less spontaneous. Also, when mixed with alcohol the side effects are worse. I decided on the TRT treatment because of the success that the local Youtube star, Buzzin Pattaya, has had with it and consequently I have been in contact with other TRT beneficiaries and although it does not work for everyone - I want to give it a fair shot - like for 3 to 4 months. This week I passed my 1 month mark and the new blood results just came back and my testosterone level prior to starting these TRT treatments was a poor 285, which is under the minimum for proper sexual and libido activity. As of my post 1 month blood results, the testosterone has jumped up to 525, however it is still well below the optimal target of 1,000 - where the range should be from 900 to 1200 for optimal sexual arousal, libido, and performance. Many of you wrote that going to the gym is very helpful and my TRT doctor said the same and I immediately enrolled in a local Jomtien gym with a personal trainer to get me going after 10 long years of non-gym activity. Olddaddy - in the TRT program that I am in - they give you an estrogen blocker with each testosterone injection to avoid enlarged breast tissue. My dosage is 175 mg 2 times a week and yours was 250 mg - 42% more than my dosage. My erections are improving - but I am still not yet satisfied - as their advertising stated - have the libido and erection of a 22 year old. At this stage where I am at 525 I am feeling like I have the libido of a 52 year old (I will be 63 soon) and the erection of a 55 year old - albeit an improvement, but still a long way to go. But I still have 2 to 3 more months to go before I can critique the outcome. Another positive is that my blood pressure has moved into a normal range as I suffer from hypertension - I believe this is a direct benefit of the intense gym workouts. None of you have commented on the Shockwave Therapy. Anybody have anything to share? https://heclinics.com/shockwave-therapy-for-erectile-dysfunction-in-bangkok/

Hi Marc308, What is your opinion on the current format in year 2024 of BBB ? I agree that back in the day, Jim got it right - BBB was the proper good anchor to Boyztown - especially with the 9pm marching parade of the delicious sexy guys. It was truely tantalizing. Nowadays, BBB has become boring - as it is primarily focused on the Chinese tourist bus trade with screaming women. The sexy guy parade is long gone. Boyztown has lost its former excitement.

yes, Hole in One ? 😈

Perhaps ? Mark bar Or Divarium

Amen to those words. I often dreaded Xmas time with people that made me uneasy - especially when the booze started flowing. So, Xmas in any other place - even if alone - was a GREAT alternative to the status quo. 😇

This was recently posted in the Gay Supertown Twitter (X) feed: So Olddaddy, you can add this Jomtien Complex bar (Divarium Cafe Bar & Restaurant) to the list of available bars. I think that you should also add the former Double Shot - as it looks totally abandoned - it was my favorite bar in the Complex. The Double Shot bar would make a great dance bar 👍🤩

I stand corrected and more importantly - I am happy to hear this. Too bad the 2 biggest anchors of Boyztown, BoyzBoyzBoyz and Boyz Music were not there ? There is still some hope as we have the 2nd Pattaya PRIDE event, "Pride for All" on Saturday 22 June 2024 🤞

I know that this is a delicate and can be embarrassing subject - but has anyone tried any of the ED (Erectile Dysfunction) therapies? TRT - Testosterone Replacement Therapy Shockwave Therapy ED Direct injections into the muscle part of the penis Are there other ED treatments available? other types of ED therapies? I recently started with the first option = TRT - here in Pattaya at https://www.wellthymeclinic.com/ after I saw the below 2 Youtube videos put out by Buzzin Pattaya. I am only 1 month into my new TRT treatments and there have been some positive results. The down side is that you need to go to the clinic twice a week to get the testosterone injections into your ass cheeks. Is it a "pain in the ass" - hahaha - a slight pain like a prolongated mosquito bite that lasts for a couple of seconds. Once a month you get your blood/urine work done so that they can monitor all of your levels - so it is a holistic health strategy. Doctor from the clinic told me to join a gym as that will also help and I immediately joined the Jomtien Fitness gym and now I have a personal trainer. I want to make the best out of this embarrassing situation and to get back into the swing of things and I want the POWER of our AMAZING Vinapu - my hero. Knowing this group - I am prepared for the ridicule - but if any of you are serious and know of other options and which one was the most successful for you I would be truly appreciated to know about it - and perhaps other members may also benefit. Thanks 😘

Thanks for this suggestion. Just now - I asked permission to be let into that Twitter group = ''onlyasianguy''

A small review of the Pattaya Community Pride 2024 event which took place yesterday, 8 June 2024. The parade route started from the famous Colosseum Show Pattaya building on Thepprasit road and wound its way onto Thappraya road until its termination point at our beloved gay Dongtan beach. I believe that this marching route is approximately 2km and should take approximately 24 minutes under normal walking circumstances. Fellow forum member, JD100 and I arrived around 5pm to the Dongtan beach police box and the parade was just starting to arrive at its destination. This is where it started at the Colosseum: This is where it ended at Dongtan beach. Parade arriving into the Dongtan beach area. 20240608_171008.mp4 Then for like 2 hours there were people up on the stage talking about a million things (90% in Thai). Many important local gay people, drag queens, parade organizers, SWING presenters and staff, Pattaya mayor, etcetra. --> I believe that the Pattaya mayor is the gentleman seated with the rainbow spiral t-shirt. Then the speeches concluded and the fireworks started. By this moment - around 7pm, JD100 and I were hungry so we went to get a bit to eat in the nearby SINT restaurant. Unfortunately, I discovered today that once the presenters and politicians got off the stage they transformed the stage into a type of best drag/ladyboy competition and then with some cool bands and dancing ensued. Screen_Recording_20240609_172604_X.mp4 After dinner, we entered the Jomtien Supertown Complex at the Thappraya entrance (where the Poseidon is) and there was a stage at the entrance and it was heaving with people dancing. Then we strolled through the complex towards The Venue and then at the turn left - there was another stage setup with music and people dancing. We got past that to our final destination at the junction with Soda Massage where there was another stage of people dancing and having a ton of fun. So, we plopped ourselves here to watch the fun and participate somewhat. In summary, I was VERY impressed - as this was my FIRST Gay Pride event in Thailand since retiring here 18 months prior. Everything was well organized, very entertaining, and too many things to do (which is good) - as you could not be everywhere in one moment - especially with the 4 entertainment stages that were setup - 3 inside the Supertown complex and 1 over at the Dongtan beach. I believe that the Thai government has petitioned to host the 2030 World Pride - and I participated as a volunteer in the year 2000 World Pride event when I lived in Rome, Italy, and it is estimated that we had close to 1 million visitors for that event. So, if Thailand can do the same for 2030 that will be amazing. If I am still here in 2029/2030 I will definitely volunteer my time towards this event - especially in the area of putting things in English - as this Pattaya Community Pride 2024 event was starved of available information in English. I will try to report on the NEXT 2nd Pattaya PRIDE festivities that are scheduled for 22 June 2024 under the label = "Pride for All". If any of you have a clue about why: there is this fracture within the Pattaya gay community = 2 separate gay pride parades and festivals, Boyztown is absent in the celebration of these events. Please let us all know. A similar fracture occurred in Rome, Italy during the years 1999/2000 leading up to the year 2000 World Pride event, when the gay community split into 2 distinct factions: Circolo Mario Miele and the associated Muccassasina, Arcigay. https://www.wikipink.org/index.php/World_Pride_Roma_2000 Many say that the Vatican had their fingers in this gay splinter because they were angry with the gay community to organize the FIRST World Pride ever during the same year as the Catholic Jubilee. What happened in Pattaya ?

wow - please promise to make one of these bars allow for dancing to good non techno music and that we can dance before midnight. A weekly or twice weekly T-Dance would be fantastic - like from 8pm until midnight

This is one of the BIG mysteries here in Pattaya. Back in the heyday - the 2 BIG entertainment centers were Sunee Plaza and Boyztown. Sunee fell from grace with the never ending police raids and now exists with just 3 or 4 bars Boyztown was perhaps the PRIME area for the gay life in Pattaya - back in the day. Now Boyztown (well at least the 2 main anchors = BoyzBoyzBoyz and Boyz Music) are primarily catering to the Chinese bus tour crowd and us non-Chinese bus tour people are overlooked. So, it would appear that there is a historical shift taking place from: Sunee Plaza --> to Boyztown --> now to Jomtien Supertown Complex This was evident at yesterday's 8 June 2024 Pattaya Community Pride event - there was ZERO / nada presence of anything from Boyztown. Instead this event was participated and sponsored by SWING, Supertown, and the Pattaya Mayor's office. To me this is sad that Boyztown chooses to not participate in yesterday's Pride event. There will be a second Pattaya Pride event on 22 June 2024 - so, we will see if Boyztown will step up to the plate for that event - but it is sponsored by Pattana - the owner of the Central Festival shopping mall.

Maybe everyone is on their way to Pattaya - as we will celebrate the first of 2 Gay Pride festivities, tomorrow 08 June 2024.

Here in Pattaya, due to the popularity of these types of deaths, they have coined the phrase, "Pattaya Flying Club". Even my lawyer, when I solicited for him to prepare my Thai Last Will & Testament - told me to be cautious to share the beneficiary list with those listed to avoid any temptations to join the "Pattaya Flying Club". Crazy stuff.... https://www.thairomeo.com/pattaya-flying-club.html https://www.reddit.com/r/Pattaya/comments/eogq6l/is_the_pattaya_suicide_club_just_a_meme/ https://thethaiger.com/news/national/thai-american-teen-becomes-latest-addition-to-pattaya-flying-club

Back in 2017 I had a great trip in South Korea and I used the strategy displayed in the below link to make the best of it.