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As a hopeless romantic, I love what you wrote above. I wish you and J all the BEST!!

For me - prices don't change - as I pay the same price for all 12 months. I only pay premium pricing for: those visiting from BKK who may command a higher price, those who are foreigners visiting from far away places (outside of South East Asia) - who tend to command a higher price For your second point, I yield on my regulars if they strike luck with a tourist and/or seasonal who is willing to pay much more. I am genuinely happy for them to get this type of additional business - because if they are smart, they will save this windfall for the dreaded low season.

@Min this is an excellent story and I have also encountered this type of thinking. I think that these guys who are new to Pattaya and move here from more luxuriously priced markets (Bangkok and/or Phuket) did not do their market research and consequently don't get any (or very few offs) because they hold onto their previous market rates. Usually 1 of 2 things happens: They adjust their rates to Pattaya rates, They leave Pattaya. As I highlighted in your above comment - the low season will force his hand when on many nights the Jomtien Complex can be like a ghost town - where the 2 things that are missing are; the tumbleweed, and the punters (potential customers).

Thank you for confirming this. The problem in this gayguides.com forum is that the majority of the readership are what I label as: seasonals - they live here for part of the year for 4 to 5 months, tourists - people on vacation who stay for a maximum of a couple of weeks. Generally, the above mentioned groups cannot sympathize with what it is like to live here FULL-TIME and consequently, cannot relate or sympathize with the struggle that us who live here full time, in both the low and high seasons, experience on a day to day basis. I am also guilty. For many many years, I was in the above mentioned tourist category, and the fact that almost everything here is transactional did not bother me because it was such good value for money when compared with my originating home country. It never occurred to me that this required transactional nature would grate on me later in my life when I would eventually live here as a full time retiree - and this has unfortunately been an unpleasant trade-off discovery. A good Thai friend of mine - she told me last month that she thinks that if I did not live in Pattaya (a very transactional type of city) that I would be better off. The problem is to discover where? Hua Hin ? Koh Samui ? Chiang Mai ?

Wow - I am so happy to hear this news about how the past was less transactional. If only we could have these types of places now in 2024. The transactional nature of 90% of the places and guys on offer in existence today, renders the experience to be depressing. When I was a tourist and an occassional visitor --> I loved it. Now that I live here full time I find that it is a big turnoff.

Nice summary of your stay in JC. I truly enjoyed Loy Krathong - it is my favorite Thai Buddhist holiday and I totally embrace it. I spent the evening on the Dongtan beach (directly in front of where all of those ladies do their daily aerobics) with my gym trainer and her Esaan friends. We sat down on a beach mat on the sand and drank together and then eventually launched our Krathongs into the sea after saying our prayers and then afterwards we then launched our floating fire lanterns into the sky - it was truly breathtaking to see the Jomtien sky full of illuminated lanterns all over the sea. I often wondered where did all of those floating lanterns end up. Well, the next morning while walking to the gym I found many of them on the ground within the VT complex where I live and even on the busy Thappraya road - so they do get quite far from the sea where they are launched. Please remember that in March - it will already be starting the beginning of the wind down from high season - and this is when the guys start to become more desperate - due to the lack of customers. Yes, there are us who live here full time - but there are not enough of us full-timers to support the massive number of guys who are looking to fill their wallets with Thai baht for food + rent. There is a temporary economic upward blip - during the Songkran week in mid April and then it crashes downward until late October when all of you part-time vacationers start to return to help with the filling of the local Thai wallets for food + rent. If you want to see the JC guys at their happiest - then it is usually during the high season.

@Olddaddy - well the owner of the Jomtien Gym Fitness Center must have heard your above request. This morning when I arrived at the gym (day 2 in the new location), there were a massive number of additional NEW dumbbells. As you can see from the below 2 photos taken this morning the increase in dumbbells is over 200% with an emphasis on the more larger (heavier) size. I am really liking the new space as it is located in the former 2nd floor of the Giant Octopus restaurant, where the gym is in the upper floor in a huge vast space that is also 200% bigger than the former space in the Skypark Lucean showroom. The BEST part of this new gym is that it is directly on Jomtien Beach Road meters from the sea. When you are doing your cardio you have an awesome view of the beach and sea. In the former gym, you had a view onto the south bound traffic lanes of Jomtien Second Road. In addition, the owner probably added an additional 100% in new weight machines. So, this new relocated gym has a lot of future potential. I need to correct some above reported information: The gym owner was paying 95,000 baht monthly for the former space (I had previously incorrectly reported 100,000 baht), The gym owner is now paying 200,000 baht monthly for this new space - which includes 2 large floors - where the gym is on the upper floor and in the lower floor is the former Giant Octopus restaurant space - which for now is empty - but gym rumors report that the owner will reopen the restaurant with a new name. Additional photos: Looking from the back of the gym free weight area towards the main entrance and front desk. Looking from the front main desk area towards the cardio area with the sea view

After watching my mother from afar waste away from dementia in her last years in a super expensive ($8,000 to $9,000 USD) assisted living home - I definitely do not want to finish that way. So, for a lot less money, I would prefer to waste away my last years living in a condo with some cute Thai guys who would take care of me and make those last years fun.

Last year, when I was madly in love with my former Thai boyfriend, my previous employer called me back to Budapest for a 4 month work assignment. As my Thai boyfriend knew my fetish for 4 hands massages with an emphasis on an edging type of happy ending - he told me that he would be ok if I could continue these back in Budapest, but only if I filmed: 1.) The introduction, 2.) The happy ending orgasms. So, since I already had my pre-established stable of 4 hand hung Hungarian masseurs, (I lived there for 8 years) - I had to convince them to let me film a quick introduction where they would wave hello to my Thai boyfriend and say their name to him. All but 1 Hungarian agreed to do it. So, I only lost 1 masseur out of my stable of 10 masseurs. For the happy ending orgasms that was more complicated to organize. So the camera (my smartphone) was given to the person who was getting edged to film his orgasm (starting at 2 minutes prior to when he was getting close to the point of no return). He was instructed to film in a way so that no faces were included for privacy purposes. Then this process was repeated until everybody's orgasm was captured on film. This made my Thai boyfriend back in Jomtien very happy, and made me happy that I could have this edging orgasmic freedom back in Budapest. It was a win-win for everyone and regarding @Olddaddy point - I felt like a mini porno star.

I fully agree. This is one of the primary reasons that I chose to retire here.

Very nearby is the new (as of September) Tony's Fitness Jomtien and it is open 24 hours. When it opened, many people from our gym left to go there but after 1 month they all returned. Due to Thailand's tough defamation law, I won't say why - but if you search in Google and look at the reviews you will see why.

I heard that he ( the Iranian guy ) was paying 100,000 baht per month for the rent for the vacated gym space. Probably the next biggest expense would be the monthly electricity for the aircon. A good way to reduce that aircon bill would be to either: Tint the glass at the front of the gym - sun facing side, or, put up retractable curtains. The difference in the temperature within that space is a couple of degrees, as the back part where the free weights were is always cool. @Olddaddy I went to visit the old gym space today and it is now totally empty, as all of the gym equipment was moved to the new gym --> so another big expense would be to buy new gym equipment. If you do take it over, I would strongly suggest the following 2 improvements: 1.) There were only 4 running machines for cardio - please add 4 more and due to the limited space put the additional 4 machines above the 4 - stacked 1 level up. The ceilings are super high in that space. 2.) The locker room was the size of a postage stamp. Expand them by getting rid of that hardly ever used table tennis space. If 2 people enter the locker room at the same time it is very inconvenient. For the rest - The gym was very good.

Late Wednesday, 28 November 2024, my gym trainer alerts me with the below message that our gym will be closed effective the following day. Quite perplexing as they did not say anything in the morning. The former location was at the Jomtien Skypark Lucean center on Second Road near Soi 1. Today, Sunday 01-Dec-2024, I walked to the new gym location so I could learn where it is exactly because my start time is at 7:50am tomorrow and I do not want to be late or get lost. Going south on Jomtien Beach Road, it is shortly after soi 8, after the 7-Eleven and is now housed in the former Giant Octopus Seafood restaurant - as shown below: New relocated gym marquee: Here is a video that my gym trainer sent me today of the new much larger gym space - it looks good as I see that there are more machines available to work with - especially the running machines which were often full in the former gym space. 1733052549017.mp4 This will be my last week at the gym, as I am letting my gym membership lapse in preparation for my departure from Thailand as part of my 2025 year tax minimalization plan. The previous location was perfect for me as I could walk there from my condo in about 10 to 12 minutes. The new location is much further away. Unfortunately, in Jomtien there are not many gyms with air-conditioning - as most of the gyms are outside gyms - and that is just too hot for me to work out properly as I am already exhausted in the airconditioned environment. A gym won't serve me until September next year and perhaps another airconditioned gym will open in the now former location which is now empty. In closing, I leave you all with this entertaining self-indulgence video of some of the Jomtien Complex guys who also work out in this gym. I believe that they are all MBs - and they are working on their bodies for all of you - our forum members - so that you can have a good sexy time with them. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1596569601191223

@jason1975 Compliments on your reporting of this AMAZING event. For future Crete the Party events I will definitely try to participate and be there. You broke the ice for us who could not attend. Also, if we ever meet let me buy you a drink on me for making this sacrifice for all of us - as I would imagine that after the ticket price and all of the Vinapu tuck 100 baht insertions that this event was quite costly - but SO exciting. What I liked MOST about your report is that you mentioned that you could ask your favorite models for their LINE IDs - and that would be a wonderful take away from this event - as the 15,000 baht for the used model freshly scented underwear might have been a little over the top.

I agree fully. I am paying 50% of what I paid back in Europe and my full time salary to my reduced pension only dropped 25% - so I am still financially ahead. I instead do care but for a different reason. Here in Pattaya - many of the abundant local guys here are on the HORNET app and only solicit to Thai-for-Thai clients where the rates are substantially lower. So, when the local guys bitch and complain that they are not making enough money - I tell them to EXPAND their HORNET marketing to consider non-Thais as customers - as they can earn substantially more. One western customer can potentially help them to earn what 1 Thai customer pays them. Once they get over their fear of US farangs - they often change their marketing mix to be 25% non-Thai and 75% Thai and they are financially more happier. They have also told me that the Thai customers can be MORE demanding than us non-Thai customers - hence easier money for them. Often their reluctance to solicit to us are: they can't speak English and don't know what to write in English in their HORNET profiles to attract us non-Thais, they have to get used to our smells. I constantly hear from them that us non-Thais smell different than Thais. I often wonder what it is that makes us smell different?? they are not used to our ways of being and are not sure or feel safe in pre-knowing how to act with us. How did I learn all of this? I utilize the services of 2 local Thai guys to procure for me new guys for 4 hands massages. They BOTH fish for the guys that they bring to my place from HORNET and often I am the FIRST farang (Western) customer for many of these new guys. During the pre and post massage time, I love to interview them about how it went and if as a result of their first meeting with a farang if they would do it again. I would say that it is a 50/50 ratio for YES - not as high as I expected - but the Thai-on-Thai money boy market is very different than the non-Thai market and it is after all their comfort zone - and who wants to venture out of their comfort zone ?

I was there for night 2 of this wonderful 2 night annual event. I went with my "main squeeze" and we decided to see the fireworks from the Phra Tamnak viewpoint, which is up on the hill that seperates Pattaya City from Jomtien. We were lucky, as the crowds were not overbearing like down on the Pattaya City beach. My Thai friend had gone to see the fireworks on the previous night at the City Coffee Pattaya viewpoint ( which he said was super packed ) - which also has an amazing view, as it is slightly above the famous Pattaya City sign that adorns the Bali Hai harbor. We were very lucky to easily get 2 motorbike taxis from his condo (VT1) to the Phra Tamnak viewpoint. To get back to the Jomtien Complex was also very easy as many motorbike taxi drivers were already parked on top of the viewpoint waiting for customers. We arrived 1 hour before the show started and we left after Hong Kong and Serbia finished their fireworks. Here is a photo and short video. 1733005812645.mp4 Back in Supertown I learned that my Thai friend's roommate was offed by a farang the previous night and this farang - with his farang friend - paid 7,000 baht to rent a speed boat to see the fireworks directly in front of where they were being launched. So, the boat owner charges 1,000 baht for each guest on his boat, which has a maximum capacity of 8 people (including the boat captain). When I learned about this possibility, I told my Thai friend, let us do this next year, as 7,000 baht is not a bad price for you and 6 of your friend's to have this kind of unique fun. Obviously, it cost these 2 farangs more money because they had to pay each of the 5 MB that they invited onto the boat 2,000 baht each. My Thai friend's roommate did not report to work the next day after being on the boat, as he got drunk and seasick (he vomited overboard) - even though the sea was calm - but if you are not used to the up and down motion of a stationary boat then I guess it won't be pleasant. But, I am up for it for next year. Who shall be the 6 guys that I would invite ? 🤔😜🤩

Wow @jason1975 - the BIG night has arrived. Enjoy yourself and I cannot wait to learn about your adventures with @ichigo at this event.

Please let us know if you find any such edging/milking/gooning/cum control groups. I am also a BIG edger (giver and receiver) but it is extremely difficult to locate people that are into this activity. Often I just need to train the massage guys who already have a sensual touch - then it is an easy leap to get them into edging once you show them some edging videos. My experience to date is that most of the men that I meet are into fast orgasms - which goes against the philosophy of edging. --> Slow and steady wins the race <-- @noctiluca - you might want to try a Twitter (X) search with these key word hashtags: #bkk #edge #milking #Cumcontrol #edging Unfortunately, I was only able to find one such user in Bangkok with Twitter handle = @CCTEMBKK For a city with more than 10 million inhabitants - it is very surprising to find only 1 single edger in all of Bangkok. The other edgers that I found in the above search are female who are edging men - so I do not count them. Then occasionally you will get an edger who is passing through Thailand on vacation and you may find 1 or 2 more edgers. I am in Pattaya - and it is EXTREMELY rare if you can find a fellow edger here. The only ones that I found were tourists passing through or soft sensual masseurs who I had to train. Below are some hot related edging Twitter profiles.

Anyone know if there is a MALE version of this ? The reason that I ask is because when I look at my monthly expenses as a retiree in Thailand - the number ONE expense line item is what I refer to as the "guy tax". So, it would be great to know if this Husband Rental alternative would be more cost effective than my monthly "guy tax". Through my current main squeeze, I got to know his best friend, who is 1 of 2 Thai guys who share the same sugardaddy - I believe that he is Canadian. I was VERY curious about this arrangement so I interviewed his friend about what this arrangement was about. Here is what I learned: Rich Canadian Man (RCM) wants 2 Thai guys to take care of him - especially later in life when he may need elderly assistance, RCM selected the first Thai guy to be his boyfriend = sugarbaby {SB1} (he is 32 - so not so much of a baby), Then RCM told SB1 to help him select SB2 with the following criteria: SB2 should be like a boyfriend to SB1, SB2 + SB1 will sleep together most of the time in their own bedroom, RCM may request that SB1 or SB2 occasionally sleep with him on a weekly basis - as RCM wants his own private bedroom. SB1 and SB2 should not get jealous if one of them is invited to sleep with RCM and the other is not. RCM wants harmony in the household - so that all 3 are a happy family. When I learned about this arrangement - I became super curious and super interested as it might seem to be a perfect solution to my future life here oneday. Do any of you reading this: have an opinion - could it work? are currently in this type of living situation and can share with us (or to me via private DM) what are the pros and cons and how to make it work. The primary appeal to me is for my more elderly years when I might need health and/or mobility assistance and the idea to have 2 guys that I can always depend on until I pass away really appeals to me. Especially, if there are 2 and 1 decides to abandon us - then at least I still have 1 remaining life companion assistant.

I haven't been to the Malaga (Torremolinos) area in at least 10 years - but when I was there it was full of opportunities. Unfortunately, the internet only lists 1 gay sauna: https://www.travelgay.com/torremolinos-gay-saunas

don't say this @vinapu - you would lose all of us and more importantly we would lose you - and that would be awful. Who would replace our favorite KFC to give us sage advice and special "boot camp" training sessions!!

YES - but I believe that these are a response to various social media platforms that push-out reminders about when our birthdays are to our contact lists - and consequently, people that we never hear from feel the need to reply to their social media feed that has reminded them that it is my birthday. Consequently, I don't like these - as they feel fake and artificial and when possible I try to disable the birthdate data element in my various social media profiles to avoid that these companies send push messages on my behalf to my contact list. I much prefer to get very few real "Happy Birthday" messages that originated from people with sincere intentions (as opposed to feeling that it is an obligation due to a social media automated push message). And often, my BEST "Happy Birthday" messages are those that are late - days or weeks after the occasion, as those messages seem to be the most genuine and from the heart.

And then denies that this "opportunity" even existed when they don't like the image that this former "opportunity" brought them. I tell my Thai friends that in the USA we have Las Vegas, the most similar place to Pattaya, and we don't pretend to ignore what really goes on there --> instead we embrace its success, but with the following motto: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" So, here in Thailand we could say: "What happens in Pattaya, stays in Pattaya"

They forgot to include: Boom-Boom in the above list. oh, I forgot, we are no longer allowed to make references to "sin city" in the context of Pattaya. Hmmm, what happened back in the 1960s and 1970s to cause more than 400,000 military personnel to be sent for R&R (rest & relaxation) to that then small sleepy fishing village, known as Pattaya? hmmm, how many orgasms back in those days planted the seeds to what we now know as the Pattaya of today ?

I am truly VERY happy to hear that you enjoyed your time on beautiful Koh Larn. If you do not mind - do you perhaps remember the name of the beach that you went to? Having taken the ferry you most likely took the bahtbus (songthaew) from the main seaport village to one of the many outlying beaches. @Foolish I truly like your writing style - these extras are what make reading trip reports exciting @Foolish COMPLIMENTS for visiting the Big Tool Legacy place on Walking Street. @emiel1981 and I were supposed to visit this place but we did not - we walked past it as our agenda for that evening was already too full. At least we (us forum members) can now know that if we want to see the "BIG TOOL" it is going to cost us 3,000 baht for an exciting perhaps peak and touch ? This is a high fee especially when considering the use of the @vinapu patented, "Vinapu Tuck", as I would need to buy a new pair of walking shorts with many pockets - as it would require 30 red notes....