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https://www.pattayamail.com/408/news.htm After the above very old Pattaya Mail article opens - scroll down to the heading = Boyztown buzzes over “pink baht” scandal Amazing history about some Boyztown happenings.

A VERY controversial article about the early days of Boyztown - I do not know if any of this was ever substantiated. Since this thread is of the history of our beloved gay Pattaya.... https://www.andrew-drummond.news/caught-on-camera-but-who-gets-rich-ou/

Wait - what happened? 2nd coming of Dorothy's in the Jomtien Complex ? The Supertown Twitter (X) page is reporting that Dorothy's is now back with a photo of Mike and his partner James, and that they had a special "imported" sexy show from the Bangkok Circus Soi 4. Anybody have any news? That was the fastest bar closure and resurrection that I ever saw....

This should be fun to watch occasionally - especially since I have 2 football guys (Russian) from last years tournament that also moonlight as "heterosexual" massage guys who are available for fun outside of the football stadium.

well that definitely does not describe me. My life outside of the Jomtien Supertown Complex is VERY full and complete with little or no extra free time to squeeze in more activities.

Well, I hope that @reader NEVER stops posting these articles. I find them extremely useful. Try living in Thailand as an expat and not being able to understand what is or may happen to you thanks to this crazy current government's new initiative to tax us expats who live here more than 180 days in a year. Furthermore, thanks to @reader posting articles about the various gay pride events in Thailand, I was able to participate in many of these events, that I would not have known to exist - especially in Koh Samui - thanks to my recent trip to Koh Tao via Koh Samui. I would suggest that you just ignore the parts of this forum that you are not interested in. For example, for the South American continent - I ignore all of those many related posts because I chose to retire and live in Southeast Asia. But, I am happy to see that they exist - as I believe that they add value to those readers who are interested in South America.

Macaroni - you are GREAT. I wish that you were the mayor of Pattaya - as you could make things so much better here..... You wrote in the context of gogo bars, but if you have visited the Jomtien Supertown Complex - with the boring bar manager mantra of: "farang sit farang drink", those 30+ bars are so ripe for your philosophy to add some true entertainment and/or alternative value otherwise it just continues to be so boring...

https://www.romeo.com/en/app/ Romeo is an old app that has been around since I believe since 2002 ? Wikipedia PlanetRomeo When I lived in Europe for more than 20 years it was VERY popular - as it was born many years prior to Grindr - when I believe that Grindr was born in 2009. Note that if you want to use the HUNQZ (rent boys) feature on your phone, you will need to also download and install the web version of the app - as the HUNQZ modality is not available on the phone app version.

I second Vinapu's recommendations for Chiang Mai. I truly enjoyed the Adam's Apple go-go bar - especially the Burmese Shan state masculine guys who performed.... I wrote about these places in my 2014 trip report to Chiang Mai where I employed one of the principals (Woody) of the Classic House Massage massage shop to be my tour guide. I see that Woody is still listed as one of Siam Roads tour guides https://siamroads.com/woody-chiang-mai/ Enjoy

and this was DEFINITELY evident in my recent trip to Koh Tao - where the majority of the workforce on that island were 95% from Myanmar / Burma. Here in Pattaya in the male massage industry there are numerous Laos and Cambodia guys. It would be nice if there were some Burmese - but there is a much larger concentration of them in Bangkok, as opposed to in Pattaya. Anybody know why that is ?

oh no Reader - you do not know what you are missing..... On average I have 2 to 3 four hand massages each week :>)) 6 and 8 hands are too much for me, as the fun part cums too soon, as it is HARD to stay calm and to breathe fast enough to avoid the inevitable, and to prolong the pleasure... 4 hands is a good compromise - because you have 2 free hands to reciprocate the pleasure

Try Twitter - I had to plan a 17 day trip down south to Songkhla province during the New Year's holiday and I did most of it via Twitter - by writing to random guys - gay, bi, or straight until I found 3 that would be my tour guide for these southern Thailand provinces and also for some fun. It took me around 3 months to find the right 3 after contacting around 35 of them.... It is hard work - but the rewards can be very exciting....

good point Olddaddy - after an argument with my ex boyfriend at around 2am in the morning, I had to walk home from up the hill towards the Supertown complex and I passed that soi dog area - there was only 1 growling and snarling at me and I shooed him away. But he went into the forest and brought 5 of his friends with him - 3 in front of me and 3 behind me and all growling and snarling ready to attack me. So, what did I do? I ran out into the Thappraya road traffic and the dogs did not follow me as the soi dogs fear Thappraya road - the cars swerved around me but I was not attacked and bitten. So, as you suggested - always walk on the non beach side of Thappraya road - as there are NO crazy soi dogs on that side of Thappraya road....

or perhaps because the majority of the bars follow the tired long time mantra of: farang sit and farang drink which gets to be very boring without some exciting innovations and/or entertainment and fun.......

That was Dorothy's Show bar on the ground floor and a related hotel on the upper floors.....but that is now closed as of 2 nights ago...

I do not know in which version of this Jomtien Complex map that I saw - perhaps in the Supertown version - there was once 35 bars listed. I believe that this most recent edition counts 33 - so, even though around 7 went out of business, it would seem that 5 of those 7 were already replaced. And, 1 more is on the way: replacement for Dorothy's Show Bar to be known as ??? So, even though it is the dreaded low season (from a cash flow point of view) the Complex seems to be holding up....

The only strategy to get a hunk in Pattaya, like you can easily find in Bangkok, is to wait at the toll booths that are just outside of Pattaya on the highway from Bangkok and try to commandeer one before he arrives into twink heaven Pattaya.

Wow. I am sorry that this happened to you. Often when I meet the local guys here in Pattaya, they often want to know when am I going to go back home to faranglandia. I always ask why? They reply, because they want me to bring them with me and they often get disappointed when I tell them that Thailand is now my home.

https://www.facebook.com/ThaiEnquirer/videos/love-pride-parade-2024/1422012658508238/ https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/thailand-thailand-held-its-pride-parade-2024-the-biggest-in-asia/vi-BB1ps44c

not in this case - as the bar beside is Dorothy's Showbar and it closed for good last night (as reported above). So, 2 closed bars side-by-side

also note that if the guy is not freelance - then often he needs to pay an off fee to the massage shop if he goes off-site for a home delivery take out service.

Before I relocated to Thailand for my retirement, I set up a new bank account as my remittance conduit account to fund my new Thai retiree life. To satisfy this Thai Revenue Department requirement for the exemption on pre-2024 income, I will use the FIFO (First In First Out) methodology. Therefore, what I sent to Thailand will be the "oldest" of my funds first. Eventually, this methodology will run out as the FIFO methodology will exhaust those funds that were prior to pre-2024 income. Hopefully, I can get 1 or 2 more tax years of this useful use of this exemption to avoid the Assessable Income issue that arises from incoming remittances. However, as Victor mentions above, we need to stay aware of additional changes regarding Thai income tax - especially if the government will officially adopt the World-Wide Income tax regime.

Some positive news everybody. Based on the article that @reader shared with us above written by Victor Wong - I wrote to Victor to see if he would agree with my short term tax strategy. It seems that he does and I am happy to share what he wrote below. This is truly a breath of fresh air to reduce my anxiety regarding this entire ugly tax topic. == 06-Jul-2024 response from Victor Wong, regarding one way to take advantage of the Thai Revenue Department exemption regarding remittances into Thailand == Dear bkkmfj, Thank you for reaching out and for your kind words about my article in the Pattaya Mail. I’m glad to hear it has been useful to you as you plan your tax strategy here in Thailand. Regarding your question about advance funding your Thai bank account, based on the exemption you've cited, here is my understanding: The Thai Revenue Department’s exemption for pre-2024 income does indeed provide a grace period allowing taxpayers to adjust to the new rules by transferring income earned before January 1, 2024, into Thailand by the end of 2024 without it being subject to the new remittance tax rules. As per the Revenue Department's order P.O. 162/2566, income generated from foreign sources before the year 2567 (2024) is exempt from tax if it is brought into Thailand starting from the year 2567 (2024) onwards, regardless of the year it is brought in. This policy aims to allow income to be realized this year, before January 1, 2567 (2024), ensuring that if you bring this income into Thailand in a different tax year—specifically from 2567 onwards—you will not be subject to personal income tax as per Revenue Department order P.O. 161/2566. The Revenue Department issued Revenue Department Order No. P. 162/2023 to exempt income generated from overseas sources before 2024. It will be exempt from paying taxes if it is brought back into Thailand from 2024 onwards. As a result of Order P. 162/2023, investors who have transferred money to invest abroad will not be liable for personal income tax in Thailand if assessable income arising from foreign sources that occurred before 2024 is brought back into the country from 2024 onwards, regardless of the year it was brought in. This is in order for the said income to be realized this year before January 1, 2024. Therefore, if you bring income from sales into Thailand in different tax years, that is, imported into Thailand from 2024 onwards, you will not have to pay personal income tax according to the Revenue Department's order No. P. 161/2566. To clarify, the policy outlined in Revenue Department Order No. P.O. 162/2566 indeed specifies that offshore-sourced income received before January 1, 2024, can be brought into Thailand on or after January 1, 2024, without being subject to Thai personal income tax. There is no explicit deadline mentioned for when this remittance must occur, meaning that there is no requirement for the income to be transferred to Thailand before the end of 2024. This allows for more flexibility in managing your financial arrangements without immediate tax implications under Thai law. Further, as outlined in Revenue Department Order No. P. 162/2023, this exemption applies to any assessable income arising from foreign sources before 2024, which is brought back into Thailand from 2024 onwards, regardless of when it is brought in. The intent is to facilitate the realization of income in a way that complies with Thai tax law while recognizing the timelines that may affect international financial planning. Given that you are planning to transfer funds in December 2024 for your 2025 expenses, and these funds are from pension income accumulated before 2024, your plan aligns with the conditions of the exemption. You can advance fund your Thai bank account in December 2024 with these pre-2024 earnings, and these funds should not be subject to the new taxation rules regarding foreign-sourced income remitted to Thailand. However, it’s important to document the source of these funds clearly, showing that they were indeed earned before 2024. This documentation will be crucial in case of any inquiries from the tax authorities. Additionally, while the current exemption allows for such a strategy, I recommend keeping abreast of any further announcements or changes to tax regulations that may occur, as tax laws can be subject to amendments. If you require further assistance with your tax planning or need help preparing the necessary documentation, please feel free to contact me. Ensuring that you have a clear and compliant tax strategy is essential, and I am here to help you navigate these processes. Thank you again for reaching out, bkkmfj. I look forward to assisting you further. Best regards, Victor

The new Thailand Remittance Tax scheme - already in effect since 01-Jan-2024 and the now proposed World Income Tax scheme proposed for tax year 2025, has made it VERY difficult to implement a strategic tax plan without clarifications that should be forthcoming from the Thai government. My personal action plan for now (in order to allow myself to find peace and harmony) will be to take advantage of the below cited new exemption that was offered by the Thai Revenue Department (shown above in the Victor Wong article shared with us by @reader) - where I will front-load (pre-anticipate) my 2025 Thai bank account remittance replenishment in December of this year 2024, using pension income earned/accumulated from before January 1, 2024. Exemption for Pre-2024 Income The amendment explicitly states that income earned before January 1, 2024, is exempt from these new provisions if transferred to Thailand by the end of 2024. This provides a grace period for taxpayers to adjust to the new rules. That will buy me some more time to understand what would be a good tax strategic plan - while the Thai government does what it does best = create chaos - and then bring clarity later on - or in the best case scenario, drop the entire thing. I will keep my fingers crossed for a good outcome - but I also don't want to be an ostrich with my head in the sand forever....

Do you know if their program will be: Farang sit farang drink?