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Yes @emiel1981 we should make a BIG sacrifice for the greater good of this forum to go and check out these "Big Tools" place during your visit to Pattaya.

This may be open for interpretation. After investing many hours in this issue and attending many seminars about it, it seems that Thailand is moving: from a Territorial Tax System, to a Residence-Based Taxation System, with talks of possibly adding additional elements of a Global (Worldwide) Tax System. Territorial Tax System countries are very appealing to us (retirees) whose income is earned outside of said territory - as the local government tends to not care about our earnings outside of said territory. Interestingly, I asked the Microsoft Copilot (I am not sure which LLM AI engine it uses) to list which countries adhere to the Territorial Tax System and it still lists Thailand and in my opinion, this is incorrect, because as of 01-Jan-2024 due to the change announced by the Thai Revenue Department on 15 September 2023 (No. Paw. 161/2566) regarding assessable income brought into Thailand for "tax residents". So, as we can see this Territorial Tax System country list is shrinking as the world moves towards these more inclusive tax regimes.

And I have the opposite "baffle" from you - as to why anyone would want to retire and live out the last years of their lives in a crowded, dirty, congested, noisy, smelly, no access to the beach city like Bangkok. I am from New York, and when the company that I worked for in 1987 decided to open a new small 5 person office in Denver, Colorado - I begged and begged all of my supervisors and chiefs to be one of the 5 employees assigned to Denver. I was miserable in NYC with all of the above listed negative descriptors for Bangkok in NYC and Denver gave me access to a smaller mid-size city with amazing access to beautiful nature with stunning views of the Rocky Mountains from downtown Denver. I knew then, all the way back in 1987, that I could never live again in a big mega city like New York, Bangkok, Manila, Jakarta, etcetra. I just had to have a connection to nature and after living in Colorado for 12 years, I realized that I also needed access to the sea - so, hence my attraction to a coastal city like Jomtien - Pattaya for my retirement years. Every morning when I wake up - I see the beautiful Gulf of Thailand from my bed and it is truly amazing the vastness of the sea (gulf). --> however, just don't walk or swim in the coffee brown beach water - but just look beyond that for the illusion of peace and tranquility....

@unicorn I am about to start this journey - where to retire (even though I already retired to Thailand in September 2022). One of my primary decisions for choice of retirement country that I made in 2020 was based on favorable tax treatment - which Thailand scored as being very tax friendly. Then the Thai Revenue Department amended one of the existing regulations on the treatment of "assessable income", which came into force effective 01-Jan-2024. Consequently, I will start 2 exploratory trips to The Philippines and also to Vietnam to see if the grass is any greener there for a retiree - especially from a tax treatment point of view. Regarding The Philippines, I have zero experience and @unicorn if you could suggest to me any Philippine cities that are attractive and on the sea like Jomtien is - I would appreciate it. I will start my exploration in Cebu City (skipping the Manila metro area - for the same reasons that I could not live in Bangkok). Regarding Vietnam, I have been a couple of times and my heart is set on Da Nang - as I see it being very similar to Jomtien but in a environmentally cleaner way with excellent access to beautiful nature. However, the gay infrastructure in Da Nang is miniscule when compared to Jomtien - Pattaya - but it does have around 3 gay bars and perhaps a half a dozen gay massage shops. @unicorn when you say why someone would choose Thailand as a gay retirement destination - my main reasons were: the appeal of the gay infrastructure (bars and clubs) that exists here in Jomtien and Pattaya, access to the beaches. Now after living here for 2 years that appeal has diminished because of pollution and dirty sea water - although one can take the 1 hour journey (elapsed time from when you leave your condo until you put down your beach towel) over to Koh Larn where the beaches on the west side of the island are still beautiful, access to great local health care. Unfortunately, the excitement of the gay entertainment wears off and becomes banal. The local gay life is GREAT when you are here on vacation, but when you live here full time it gets kind of boring and mundane - especially during the low seasons when the local guys get desperate financially and react accordingly - which creates a negative environment - until the next high season arrives. So, I would still argue that retiring in Thailand still has its appeal - but alternate places should be considered.

@unicorn this is an excellent question. I am coming up on my 2 year anniversary as a retired expat living in Thailand (Jomtien). My feeling from living here 2 years is that I don't believe that this hostility comes from xenophobia, but more from the fact that Thailand was never colonized and went out of its way to avoid being colonized during its long history. Consequently, I believe that there is a fear to give us foreigners any rights in Thailand to avoid the fear of feeling to be colonized by us foreigners. You see this in the draconian way that foreigners are not allowed to own land in Thailand - Thailand will resist at all cost the idea that foreigners could take over Thailand. However, Thailand likes to make us feel good in Thailand and loves to take our money via tourism and to accept us as retired expats - as this is one of the many ways that Thailand acquires foreign currency and helps the GDP. In my opinion, it is like a "safe" way for Thailand to get what Thailand wants from us without having to give up anything physical in return. Thoughts ? 🤔

or a matter for monkhood to resolve ? 🤔 BANGKOK: An actor in a Thai series announced on Monday (Aug 19) that he will never drive a jet ski again following a fatal accident on the Chao Phraya River in Samut Prakan province last weekend. Shindanai “QP” Saelim also vowed to enter monkhood to make a merit for two victims who died after his jet ski carrying his friend and her mother crashed into a long-tail boat with two persons on board. https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2024/08/20/driver-of-jet-ski-that-fatally-injured-on-two-chao-phraya-river-vows-to-enter-monkhood

@reader hmm - I wanted to visually see who is this famous QP actor. I think that I found him.... https://twitter.com/newtv_18/status/1825405010269950365 it seems that this was not his first accident without a license.....

I think so - the last time that I returned from Koh Larn in the early evening it looked to be still operational. Their Instagram page seems to be up-to-date https://www.instagram.com/club_pattaya_legacy/

Can these muscular Russian guys be offed? When you say similar to the one in Pattaya - which one are you referring to ?

I am with you on this feeling @spoon - especially as it relates to that sexy beach attendant from Myanmar on the Dongtan beach here in Jomtien. As we both know, he has BIG sex appeal and is definitely not 1.7m

yes - I'll take sexy James (third from the left) please.... 🤪

@forrestreid great update and thanks for sharing this story with us. It reminds me of the time, back in the early 2,000s, when I went for the first time to Prague, where I visited the then famous Drake Bar - similar to this Boysclub21 in Amsterdam. You walked in and you sat down at the bar and the bartender took your drink order and brought you a big fat photo album and he told you all about their guys who were on offer - each photo page was dedicated to a different guy. On one of the pages I saw a photo of one of my then favorite Czech porno stars (I cannot remember his name) and I told the bartender that I wanted to be with him. So, I had to pay to the bartender a "room rental fee", that allowed me access to the room for 1 hour. Then the bartender took me to the room and I was told to wait for a knock on the door. Moments later, my then favorite Czech porno star arrived and I let him in. He was stunning and me being young, horny, and fresh from the USA in the EU, I already orgasmed within 10 minutes with the guy. The porno star said to me - oops - you paid for 1 hour what do you want to do with the remaining 50 minutes? I replied, would you mind if I can interview you? I have always wanted to know what is the life of a porno star is like. He agreed, and it was very revealing and it was there that I learned a new word = "fluffer". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fluffer The porno star told me that the Czech porno stars were envious of the American porno stars when they came over to the EU to make a film shoot - as the American porno stars had their own individual "fluffers" available to them before each of the porn scenes to get their cocks hard and ready for the next scene. He told me that the Czech porn stars had no fluffers and had to do it manually, by masturbating themselves prior to each porn scene to be hard and ready for action. So, I loved my time at Drakes and I will always remember this story.

That's why we have this forum 😁

hmmm - you make a good point - I saw the last time that I was on Koh Larn that they were giving paragliding lessons from the Big Buddha high point which is over the Tawan beach - perhaps these lessons could be useful to ensure not being rejected from the PFC membership.....

and if the Vietnamese government follows through on the new 36 month residence visa - then I may abandon Thailand and we could hang out together when you come to visit Da Nang again 🤩

@reader - there is something about you and I, we are often very synchronized without even communicating with each other. Today, one of my most favorite Da Nang Youtubers, Travis - (he is very sexy in my opinion) posted this today about a new beach discovery that he made on the Son Tra Peninsula - which I have ridden my motorbike on so many times, up past the giant Lady Buddha statue to the end of the road at the InterContinental resort - and I never noticed it. So, I cannot wait to return back to Da Nang (which will be part of my 4-4-4 plan for 2025) to check out this "secret beach" as Travis calls it.

Cialis - box which contains 4 - 20mg pills = 400 baht Sidegra - box which contains 4 - 50mg pills = 400 baht I do not know the prices for all of the other products that they have on offer as I was content with the above 2 products.

@Kiwi306 I had the same fear talking to the female clerks in these shops and as @macaroni21 has stated, they know all about us males and our little brother challenges down between our 2 primary legs. Here in Jomtien, I have befriended the primary lady in the local non-official-pharmacy shop that sells all of these ED phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) inhibitors, such as sidegra, kamagra, sildenafil, cialis, etcetra and I can speak freely with her without any shame. She even gives me free samples and is super kind - we laugh and have fun. The irony is that her shop is made to look like a pharmacy shop - but instead, it is a non-pharmacy shop that specializes in ED related products - which is a BIG industry in the Land of Smiles (LoS), as they need to make sure that all of the tourists who need assistance can perform for the ultimate "happy ending" to maintain the LoS image..... The price paid here in this Jomtien shop is 400 baht for a box of 4 tablets.

an interesting place to rest his thumb 🤔 Perhaps he is trying to get the attention of Team France's Anthony Ammirati and his "baguette" ??

I am confused. I believe that you wrote in a previous post from a previous trip that you did not like the fact that you brought your Filipino partner with you to Thailand because it was limiting your ability to have fun. Is the purpose of your Filipino partner to fill the empty void that occurs when you might feel lonely ? I am curious because over the years I have had friends who dreaded to feel lonely and could not do anything alone and would often call you to fill their void to feel lonely - I never liked the feeling of being an NPC to fill the role of substituting someone's fear of the void / loneliness - instead of them wanting to genuinely be with you - and not because instead they needed to avoid the fear of the void and loneliness. It made me feel as a place holder because the friend was not willing to discover the source of this fear of the void = to be alone and where it comes from. I love being alone - I recharge when I am alone and I do not fear it. Some of my best vacations have been when I was alone, as it forced me out of my comfort zone and I was challenged to meet new interesting people and to see new exciting places. Often in the past, when I vacationed with friends - we often only hung out together with each other and we never met any new interesting people and these types of vacations were more bland (harder to remember) than those when I was alone.

I asked this exact question to these guys from BKK. Almost ALL of them replied to see the beach and sea and to escape the drudgery of a big dirty traffic infested city like Bangkok. I completely understand this as I myself could not live in BKK for the same reasons.

For me, Hornet is number one. I actually hate Grindr 😡 because there aren't good search options like there are in Hornet, Romeo, Heesay, etc - and Grindr is the MOST expensive app with inferior search options. The price for 1 month of Grindr almost covers the price for a 1 year subscription on Hornet - which has search options by user name, location, where before writing to the user you can see who his followers are and who he is following. This additional intelligence has helped me to eliminate potential bad apples - via the old saying, "Birds of a feather flock together". And this additional intelligence has helped to make organizing 4 hands massages easier as I can see who is following who to make a better erotic selection. To re-find someone that you already met in Grindr is a bitch because there is NO concept of "user name" or "profile name" search options. So, it is a frustrating app for me to use.

hmm - this is an interesting question. I think that it might be influenced by: season (high or low), location (Bangkok or Pattaya). Right now in Pattaya it is a VERY low season (tumbleweed) with few customers for the guys and so they are 99% willing to come on ST. Perhaps in Bangkok the situation is different due to the local situation ?

so @vinapu, if the guy is reading your trip reports on this forum then you make an exception for him to use his phone ? 🤪😁

I put part of the city name into the search box and then all Twitter profiles with any identifying information that contain the city name will return in the result set that you will need to review and see if there is anyone that interests you. --> note that if the Twitter profile owner does not include the city name in their profile you can review those profiles that do include the city and then look at: Who they are following, Who is following them. Then by looking at these additional Twitter profiles you can see who else is in the same city that you are targeting for a visit - as the followers have a propensity to be nearby the same city that you are searching on. Then of course, you need to send them a DM and hope that they see it and reply. I am currently using this same strategy for my 4-4-4 plan where I hope to go on a scouting trip in The Philippines to see if I could live there for 4 months each year. As I am looking for the most similar type of location as Jomtien - I discovered via Youtube reviews of The Philippines that Cebu City seems to be somewhat similar - I then used the Twitter search box (as shown below) where I simply entered "cebu" and then a plethora of search results were returned. Then by reading those Twitter profiles that might interest you you start to learn about amazing things both culturally and location sensitive about the scene on the ground. For example, I discovered that any Twitter profile that starts with the word "Alter" is a way for the profile owner to indicate that he is possible gay and open to our alternative lifestyle. This seems to only be unique to The Philippines - as a cultural indicator. I also learned that the keyword = "Daks" - is an indicator for a big cock - and this seems to only be unique to The Philippines. Then by looking at profiles with these 3 key words = cebu alter daks - I get to see profiles about people living in Cebu City who are most likely gay with big dicks. So, I find that Twitter is a GREAT resource for preparing for you upcoming trips so that you can be more effective and efficient once you land on the ground.