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@BjornAgain Thanks for the Bavarian Boys update. Do you know anything about the former Dolce Vita restaurant space that is currently being transformed into the 3rd cabaret space within the Jomtien Complex? I heard that the name will be: Candy (something) It is rumored to be both a cabaret show bar + a space for dancing. If this is true, then this is GREAT news for the Complex (dancing).

A very reliable source says that the former Dorothy's Showbar - which was purchased by the M2M cabaret bar - will reopen as a Mexican restaurant. The hotel rooms above it will not be impacted and are currently operational and available for rent. I forgot to take an updated photo today - but they seemed to have removed the "Showbar" part of the name from the above marquee. So, perhaps the Mexican restaurant will assume the name of Dorothys ? ( perhaps an apostrophe is missing in the former marquee ? ) I am happy to hear this - as there are very few Mexican restaurants in town. Now we will have a gay one. Below is a link to the Dorothy rooms that are available (I am not affiliated nor was I asked to publish this link - I only do so as a public service, as sometimes our forum members can't find an available room within the Jomtien Complex). https://www.facebook.com/JomtienComplex/ https://www.booking.com/hotel/th/dorothys-emerald-city-suites-bang-lamung-chonburi.en-gb.html?aid=304142&label=gen173nr-1BCAso3QFCMWRvcm90aHlzLWVtZXJhbGQtY2l0eS1zdWl0ZXMtYmFuZy1sYW11bmctY2hvbmJ1cmlIM1gEaN0BiAECmAEJuAEJyAER2AEB6AEBiAIBqAIDuAKWuJCpBsACAdICJDI1OGUyZDFiLTA4YjUtNGU3ZC05NWYzLWZiYWEzMzgzMTMwZNgCBeACAQ-Share-sQYWn3%401696865314

Outch, that selection criteria hurt. It excludes many of us who are not into the social media scene (FB, Instagram, Tiktok, etc.). I guess it will be a lonely world if you chose to ignore social media? 😢😪

Well, my PMB asked them if he could take their photos and they said = YES. My PMB is well known and liked in the Complex, and there is a nice and pleasant reciprocal respect between him and the other working MBs.

Last night after seeing the tame and lame Christmas show at The Venue - my PMB (Primary Money Boy) took me to The BEST Bar. We have been many times previously, but whenever we wanted to see the show - it was usually cancelled due to a lack of customer interest - as most of the customers tend to sit outside and people watch, as it is strategically located next to The Venue and is the first bar on the left after The Venue - so there is a lot of foot traffic there. Last night, Christmas Eve, there were enough customers to make a show and it consisted of: drag queen skits - some good and some average, cabaret skits - also some good and some average, sexy guys who thrusted around the stage - was ok, gogo boy show - now this was a BIG surprise for me - because I have NEVER seen a proper gogo boy show in the Jomtien Complex - as this is something that happens in Boyztown in Pattaya City. It consisted of only 2 dancers - but they were pretty good and had very visible engorged cocks. In the tradition of @vinapu and after my intensive Vinapu boot camp training earlier this year - I ran up to the stage and I performed the one and only "Vinapu tuck" on each of the 2 guys and got a nice feel of the merchandise. Here are some photos from the gogo boy portion of the show: So, there is still hope to make the Jomtien Complex more titillating and exciting. I love that the newer bars (Club Lounge, M Bar, and The Best Bar) are pushing the envelope and erotic limits commonly found in Boyztown, Sunee Plaza, and Bangkok (Silom area). @jason1975 ask your Grok AI prompt to make your AI guy creations to use the cocks from these photos when generating your next iteration of Bangkok Boys AI guys 👍🤪

Do you know if they will offer dancing as one of their new bar activities? 🤔🤔

What a nightmare scenario: Even the AI wants our money 😬🫨

Unfortunately I cannot help you as Monty's was before my time in Pattaya so I don't have any point of reference. I did look for an old map of the Jomtien Complex but I could not find one. Anyway, I rarely see dancing in the complex. When there is dancing it tends to be spontaneous because: There is a birthday party happening, or some energetic farangs are bored with the lethargic bar modus operandi of, "farang sit - farang drink".

Well - there is still a BIG buzz about what happened with the raid on Jomtien soi 2, 3, and 4 at 5am. Today was my 4 hands massage with my volleyball friend and he told me the following about the 900 police incident: Listen, you need to understand the Thai police mentality. The year end is very near and the police need to show that they are doing something, as this is the time of the year that they hand out promotions. I replied, "but how can the Thai government afford to promote 900 police officers because of the 5am raids on Jomtien soi 2, 3, and 4, where they only arrested around 100 people?" He replied, "only those police officers of the 900 who captured someone will get a promotion (i.e., 100)" I replied, "ah, so it operates like the volleyball tournaments over on the gay Dongtan beach?" We both had a good laugh. I closed with, "well I still have a lot to learn as a foreigner about the Thai way of thinking - especially when it comes to the Thai police....."

but @Olddaddy unfortunately, there is still NO bar to dance in within the walls of the Jomtien Complex. In Italy we say, "La speranza è l’ultima a morire" ~ --> Hope springs eternal but if you know something about a NEW dance place in the Complex - please tell us. The other night I went to the Dragon Music Lounge in the Complex - but unfortunately, NO dancing.

New bar coming to the Jomtien Complex (aka Supertown). Today while walking through the complex I noticed that the construction workers had put up a "Coming Soon" sign on the former BC Bar - which is right next to the former Dorothy's Showbar and across the soi from the M2M cabaret bar. The new name shall be: BAVARIAN BOYS anyone know anything ? will it offer dancing ? And I see that the Dorothy Showbar still has ongoing construction - already for many months - but they do not appear to be in any hurry to finish such work. Rumor says that the M2M cabaret bar bought it. Anyone know what it will be ?

and where did they go to get the type of invaluable information found in this forum ? I highly doubt that there are alternative places to get this kind of information that is tailored specifically to our target - gay males looking for fun in Asia and South America.

Wow - getting VERY close to home. The IRONY is that in the nearby soi (next soi over), soi 5, is the dreaded Thailand immigration office. I wish I could have seen these 900 cops in operation - like a GIANT and LARGE dragnet operation --> but at 5am I was still sleeping.

@jason1975 your prompts to the Grok AI seem to be getting better --> as I see that this is the first AI image where at least one of the multiple guys has his own UNIQUE package. Did you need to specify the AI Prompt to get this result or was it random? I still see that all of the nipples and belly buttons (navel umbilicus) are all still duplicated - the same across the multiple guys.

Just like the ones in our dreams that we fantasize about and occasionally masturbate to 🍆💦

I am totally with you @TotallyOz with what you wrote above. Thanks for sharing it with us. Especially the part about the "diamonds in the rough" - especially if it has sharp edges from a bad upbringing and/or unfortunate MB experiences --> or both. Those "sharp edges" can wound the both of you - but the potential emotional rewards and happiness can be unparalled.

It depends - if memory serves me correctly - gay camping and cruise walking "in the forest" .... proved to me that it is NOT hard to "grow boys in the forest" boys will be boys in the forest https://nomadicboys.com/gay-campgrounds-usa/

@jason1975 Great work with your new AI video creation skills. One of the things that i notice about these is that all of the belly buttons (navel umbilicus area) seem to be identical. Also, the packaging of what is in their underwear briefs. Does the AI software simply duplicate the 1st person onto the 8 other guys ? I see that the face and height of the individual guys are different - but much of the rest of their body is the same (as if to be duplicated).

@faranglaw thanks for posting this, as I believe that this is the NUMBER 1 reason why I joined, participate, and stay active in "OUR FORUM" = gayguides.com. It warms my heart when our responsible membership take care of our guys. On the other hand, it saddens me when we occasionally learn/read/discover that some of our members exploit our guys in a monetary and/or psychological way that is degrading to their wellbeing. In the end, we are all human - and we should be all treated with dignity.

YES, the water was MORE wet in the years prior to covid because the management of Boyztown made the experience more titillating, exciting, arousing, stimulating, and salacious. And do you know what all of these words do @vinapu ?? They make you MORE wet from the anticipation about what is to cum..... Unfortunately, the current Boyztown management (mainly BoyzBoyzBoyz) dried up the former wetness with their current BORING marketing practices and show formats.

@jason1975 I love it because of the song that you chose. I believe that is the SAME song that was played for the BoyzBoyzBoyz in Pattaya 9pm sexy red carpet march of the stage guys. I so do miss those yesteryear good times.

With all this negativity about Cebu - I guess the winner for my "where to retire" trifecta will be Da Nang - as it already meets: 1.) The Jomtien like hirise condos directly on the immense Da Nang seashore. 2.) Traffic in Da Nang is NOTHING like Manila, Bangkok, HCMC, Hanoi, Pattaya, and perhaps Cebu (as I still need to have my feet down on the ground to assess the actual traffic situation). But I still need to go through with this comparing retirement destinations excercise anyway, as actual field research is generally more reliable than just relying on hearsay. My preliminary research for gay life is that Cebu appears to have more to offer (bars, clubs, and saunas) than Da Nang does.

Unfortunately, Baguio is not on my list, as I am a sea view loving person. Nearness to the sea and sea view are one of my top 3 priorities for a retirement destination. Thanks for the heads up about the nasty Cebu City traffic situation. I am hoping that the traffic situation on nearby Mactan island Newtown beach area will be similar to the ok level of traffic that we have here in Jomtien. The secret to a happy traffic life here in Jomtien is to minimize the number of times that you need to venture into Pattaya City, as that traffic can be a nightmare.

I am about to embark on this adventure at the end of this month. I am currently a retiree in the Pattaya suburb = Jomtien - a small establishment directly on the Gulf of Thailand beaches with hirise condos all along the beach. Due to the new Thai government recently implementing unfriendly tax laws - I will scout nearby countries for alternate retiree solutions. I am trying to find the Jomtien equivalent in the Philippines - and this has been an enormous challenge to find beaches in the Philippines that have hirise condos directly on the beach like in Miami, Da Nang - Vietnam, and here in Jomtien - Thailand. It appears that most of the beach communities in the Philippines are underdeveloped and do not have clusters of hirise condo buildings with direct sea access. So, I will start my 2 month scouting adventure in Cebu City (near IT Park) - as it has the closest potential similarity to Jomtien - Thailand in nearby Mactan (island) Newtown Beach - as shown in the below map. If one would live in the heart of Pattaya City and wanted to get to the Dongtan gay beach then depending on traffic that would entail anywhere between 15 to 25 minutes. My preliminary research shows that to get from IT Park in Cebu City to the Jomtien area on Mactan island at Newtown beach entails 45 minutes depending on traffic. So I will live for a couple of weeks in Cebu City and then go over to Newtown beach and rent a place in one of the hirise condo towers there so that I can assess how similar it is as the retiree destination that I currently have here in Jomtien. I ruled out Manila as it is too big, crowded, congested, and a general traffic nightmare. For Davao, I could not find any seafront neighborhoods that have a Jomtien hirise condo on the sea feeling to it. @bobtpa1614502761 If you are aware of such places in Davao - please let me know. Thanks.

I am starting to believe that the answer is yes. I just have to figure out HOW to avoid that I become one of them. Do I need to change countries? Or perhaps relocate to a less jaded city in Thailand ?