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hmm, difficult question to respond to. They are predominately gay, there are some bi, and there are also sometimes a few transgender - which I discovered when way back in March, as reported by @reader, when he posted the Filipino - and Thai transgender clash on Sukhumvit soi 11 in Bangkok. because at one of the volleyball games, a Filipina transgender asked if she could join the volleyball guys one evening in March and she specifically referred to what had just happened in Bangkok on Soi Sukhumvit 11. The guys all laughed and told her if she would be a "good girl" then no harm would come to her.... They loved her and she had a great time. Kudos for Thai peace and good Philippine behavior. There are also some straight - and they tend to be from the Russian contingent that sometimes joins the Thai guys to play volleyball. Some of the straight Russian guys are pretty cool about all of the slurs, cat-calling, and lusty eyes on them, etcetra. The ring leader of this "gay volleyball" - Ma Toey, a gay Thai guy, is very brazen with everyone. In fact, one night after volleyball some of us went to the nearby Russian night market in Prathumnak to eat dinner and drink. Well, Ma Toey, was obsessed with one of these straight Russian guys and made sure that he was well drunk by the end of the night and rumor says that Ma Toey was able to get into this straight Russian's hotel room at the nearby Pattaya Park Tower, and he gave him a blow job. so, are they all available, if all goes well? I would say that it is hit and miss for various reasons: 1.) Some of them are money boys - as they don't have day jobs and playing volleyball at night does not pay the bills. This sub-set of volleyball guys tend to have their profiles in Hornet. Supposedly, not everyone knows about each others ways on how they get money. But if you are subtle with them in a discreet way you can become one of their customers for payment. I have gone with about 4 of them. One of these four, swore me to secrecy because he did not want the other volleyball guys to know that he was an escort - you cannot tell from his Hornet profile - but I pursued him because I got to know him at volleyball and when I discovered his Hornet profile I wrote to him. 2.) Some of them are NOT money boys and have daytime jobs and join volleyball in the evening after finishing work. This sub-set is not as easy to have sex with because they have jobs and are more picky about who they will have sex with and might be offended at the idea of being paid for sex. There is one guy in this sub-set that I had the hots for and I knew his former boyfriend and I asked his former boyfriend if it would be possible to get his ex in my bed - obviously for payment. So, my volleyball friend arranged that the 3 of us went to dinner one night so that I could get to know him outside of on the volleyball field - more discrete. We exchanged our LINE contacts and in the following days I solicited him for some fun in my bed. All of the pricing details were worked out - but this guy had so many - "you cannot do these things to me:" 1.) not to suck his cock without a condom, 2.) not to touch his nipples - he is too ticklish, 3.) no kissing, 4.) does not like edging or to receive a handjob, 5.) do not touch or caress his balls, 6.) he did not want to reciprocate anything back to me. So, I did not pursue him anymore but we are still cordial at volleyball and he knows that if he would loosen up his crazy restrictions that I am still game. When my volleyball friend asked me if we had met - I told him about all of the above restrictions and said that it killed my interest. I then asked my volleyball friend - why did you stay with him for 4 years? He replied to me, He is an excellent top with a humongous dick and can fuck me all night long. Since I am not a bottom and I am predominantly an edger - I could then understand why it would never work for me - even though I became obsessed to want to play with his humongous dick. 3.) People passing by on the Dongtan sidewalk at the volleyball field who stop to: 1.) watch, or 2.) play. One of these guys (a tourist) who was watching I managed to get into my bed. On another occasion, there were 3 Japanese tourists who stopped to play and I was goo-goo gaa-gaa for all of them and I made them know that I was interested. They left during the volleyball game (as the Thai guys kicked their ass) to go eat and said that they would return and that we could discuss this more. Unfortunately, they never returned and I remained on the volleyball field well after everyone else left - oh well - you cannot have everything. 4.) Random - I have witnessed random volleyball guys hooking up with other players and other spectators. I was not close enough to them to understand how it happened - but it happened. So, anything is possible. If you do not get laid - you will still have fun, be entertained, and possibly make new friends. Once you can get into the inner circle - options for sex become much more easier.

@vinapu I believe that Vinapu is referring to either the Pattaya Number One OR Foxy Smile massage shops - which are adjacent to the very delicious O Delices French bakery. https://www.gaysupertown.com/massage

Short answer is YES. But note the following: There are 2 types of guys who work in these bars, employees of the bar (EoB), freelancers. The EoB will be more restricted to be offed by you as he needs to fulfill the contractual obligations of his work contract. If the bar is not busy and his role is not critical (showguy), then most likely the management would allow him to be offed by you prior to the bar closing time. On the other hand, as the freelancers are not on a contract with said bar and do not receive a salary - they are much more free to come and go as they please. Not 100% of the guys are willing to be offed. My guess is that at least 80% are. I do not know for sure. Then each bar has an off-fee which I believe can be from 300 baht to 500 baht - depending on the bar. Please note that @vinapu recently reported that offing a guy from BoyzBoyzBoyz in Boyztown is now up to the high price of 1050 baht. Can the off fees be avoided? YES, but it will take some work on your part - easier if you live here already. Follow the guys in the apps (Grindr, Hornet, Heesay, PlanetRomeo) - if you see one of your desired bar guys online when you are feeling horny, you can solicit him outside of the bar via the app. This does not always work - as I solicited a muscle guy who used to work outside of BoyzBoyzBoyz (BBB) - he had a dual job - 1.) to be a barker and try to get passersby to go into BBB, 2.) to be a waiter to those customers who sit outside of BBB to have a drink. We had too much fun in the late afternoon and he arrived late to BBB and got into trouble with his boss = oops.... He has since moved on and is now working at the M2M cabaret bar in the Jomtien Supertown Complex - but just last Friday he told me that he will go back to Boyztown and work in the Ambiance and also moonlight sometimes at M2M - but he can easily be found in Hornet if you like muscles.

Yes, this is the LTR (Long Term Resident) visa with the Wealthy Pensioners option. Unfortunately I do not qualify - as you need to show proof of $80,000 USD in passive income in each of the 2 preceding tax years before applying. That is $6,666.66 USD per month and I won't reach that threshold until my age 67, when my USA social security will start. But I would not be eligible for this LTR until my age 69 - as you need to show 2 preceding tax years of meeting the $80,000 USD passive income. This tax free option truly discriminates against us foreigners (expats) who cannot prove a passive income of $80,000 USD - and consequently we are subject to this new Thailand taxation scheme. So, tax the relatively "poor" and do not tax the wealthy pensioners - I just cannot get my head around who created this type of system ?

No. I will already need to start my 4-4-4 tax minimalization plan to not exceed the number of days that I live in Thailand by 180 days. In January and part of February, I am planning to be in The Philippines (probably Cebu City). Then back to Thailand for the remainder of February and March to prepare my USA income tax return 🤢🤮 and get it shipped (stamped) from my bonafide declared residence country. Then in April - get out of Thailand before the madness of the water squirting bazooka gun festival of Songkran starts. I will try to live in Da Nang, Vietnam for 4 or 5 months. Then I believe that it should be safe for me to return to Thailand from a tax point of view. Unless of course, the Thai government rescinds this new tax scheme, as many important hi-so people in the Thai real estate business are very upset with this new Thai government - as external investors are now afraid to invest in Thailand in fear of these new tax schemes, and this is already hurting the real estate industry. 🤞🤞🤞

Sit on the bamboo logs (they are bundled together to make like a bench seat) that are perpendicular to the volleyball net at the pedestrian sidewalk. Then do like I did - yell and scream like a chearleader when they are playing - especially if it is a good volley. That will get them focused on you because they love the attention. Eventually one team will win and some of the guys will come towards the bamboo bench (where you have strategically placed yourself) and they will be thirsty. So, that is your moment to strike up a conversation. Say: Wow - great match - great game Want some beers? Wine? I offer. Where can we buy them? Then they will start talking in Thai to the other guys and 1 of 2 things will happen: 1.) One of the guys will be delegated the task of driving you over to the nearby 7-Eleven on their motorbike for the shopping expedition. Be prepared to spend 1.000 to 1.500 baht on beer, wine, snacks, and ice. 2.) If they are shy (to bring you on their motorbike) they may ask you directly for the money and one of them will go to the nearby 7-Eleven to do the shopping. Option 1 is the best in my opinion as it gets you inside their inner circle. After the shopping is done - you will be invited to drink with them. Now you will have a new group of happy crazy good fun athletic Thai guys as your new friends. How do I know all of this? I saw the above plan play out by a Russian guy. So, when the Russian guy was not there one night, I tried it and it worked. So, I am a copycat.

I've already fantasized a lot about this opportunity. I will finish with my gym trainer here in Pattaya at the end of November. So, in December, I hope to return to BKK specifically to organize a 4 hands massage with OLE and JJ. That will be my "prize" before I start my 4-4-4 plan to live outside of Thailand for more than 180 days in year 2025. But, maybe there are JJs and OLEs to discover in The Philippines and in Vietnam 🤔😜😛😋🍆💦 next year 🤞🙏😇

@Olddaddy don't forget to visit the gay volleyball at night (from 5:30 pm until 10 pm) at Dongtan beach in front of Pattaya Tower (water park) right next to the Sea Rescue site. There can be some good eye candy there. And if you offer to buy the guys some wine or beer you will be a big star. Often after volleyball they go to eat and drink in either: Panorama Bar in Boyztown, or, Soi 12 (Jomtien) to sit on the beach and drink. Many ways to get 1 or 2 for "take away" 😜😛😋🍆💦

And if you live here you do not want to even look at your bank statement 🥴 🤧 😱

Sure - gladly. But, realize that the snacks that our Thai guys prefer are not usually the ones that us farangs tend to prefer - and that is mostly because (in my humble opinion) due to the spiciness level that the Thais desire in their food and also in their snacks. So, when you are in 7-Eleven buy any snack that has a spicy symbol or chili symbol on it and most likely you cannot go wrong. I was able to discover what they like when I started going to the Dongtan gay beach volleyball games and we would go to 7-Eleven to pick up some beers, wine, ice, and snacks for the nighttime games and I started to see a particular pattern for certain spicy snacks. My 7-Eleven snack shelf in my kitchen From the above, the most popular are shown below and the roasted pistachios should also be considered (I have never see the pistachios offered with a spicy version😞 Let us know if you can tolerate the spiciness level of these snacks ? 🤔

He is good because he is Thai. The Thai guys know where all of the hidden - out of sight guys are lurking. For example, MANY Thai guys told me that they intentionally avoid PlanetRomeo and Grindr - because they do not feel comfortable marketing to us farangs (foreigners) - for various reasons - language deficiency, do not like farangs, etcetra. Also, this guy works in Supertown and is also friends with BOTH the Dongtan gay volleyball group as well as the Jomtien soi 12 drink the night away on the beach sand after all of the bars have closed - so he has access to an overabundance of new fresh guys for us to play with. When I go out with him (outside of the bedroom) I see that many, many, guys have an affinity to him - so, he is just a natural at convincing guys to play/massage an old farang like me. Also, since we do these 4 hands in my condo room - I try to create an environment that is ultra friendly to these shy Thai guys that may have never been with a farang before. I do the following: put on Thai music - Youtube Thai top hits - that already puts them at ease as they see that this farang likes their music and culture, if they are super nervous, we go out on the balcony and look at the sea and have something to drink before we start the massage, I already have my bed ready for the massage and action and I have already pre-bought my favorite massage creams and edging lotion, they can use my shower both before and after, often after everything is done - they either leave in a hurry - especially if they work in one of the nearby bars and Mr. Boss may be looking for them, OR - we again sit out on the balcony and have a beer or 2. I also have a shelf in my kitchen that is full of Thai specialty snacks that I buy from 7-Eleven - my guys call that shelf my "private 7" and they are ALWAYS offered a snack to enjoy while in my condo or for take away. my main massage guy tells me that with all of the above I have created a lot of good-will (jai-dee) and our guys do gossip about us - so, I appreciate that I have this positive karma in the local community.

I know that this question is not for me - but 85% to 90% of the time they understand when they see your boner. if because you are nervous during the massage and you are not fully erect yet - you can: make your semi hard dick jump underneath the towel to get the masseurs attention, make sensual subtle groaning noises whenever his hands are near your groin, balls, or belly button, or if you are feeling brave - you can just grab his hand and put it on your cock - worst he can do is say no - but sometimes that no is artificial because it was not said with a number (i.e. 500 baht, 1,000 baht, etc.).

Back when I lived in Rome, Italy - I hooked up with some other Italian gay guys who were renting illegally constructed houses that were on the hills outside of Itri - more towards the gay beaches of Gaeta. We were able to get these great homes for such a cheap price for the entire summer beach season. I remember that when we had to pay the rent, it was ONLY in cash at a coffee bar in downtown Itri with some mysterious Italian older man. Often, I would see homes started - but not yet finished on these hills, and I would ask my friends - what happened? Oh they did not pay the right money to the right person so the "authorities" stopped their construction mid-way. But I replied, but you told me that the home that we are currently renting for the summer is also not sanctioned and not legal - they replied, why do you think that we need to drive 1 time each month over the dusty hillside roads down into Itri to have coffee with that guy?? Then I understood everything...... So, Italy prepared me well for the ways of Thailand :>))

Wow @Verchiele what you write is SO true...... When I lived in Rome, Italy - my FAVORITE discoteca was the Muccassasina https://www.muccassassina.com/ Well, in one of their bathrooms (when it was operating out of the Qube building) - there was this extra "special" exit just near the urinals. Well, once you entered into this special exit - you entered into a dark maze where many of these HOT Italian guys (gay, bi, "straight") would have their pants open stroking on their meat. They would often join you, go down on you, or push your head down so you could service them. Often these interactions were quick - because often the guy would run back into the bathroom to clean up and go outside to rejoin his friends or girlfriend. On one of these encounters, I was so taken with one of these hot Italian studs that I followed him in a sneaky way - after he had just finished to blow me - and his girlfriend was waiting outside of the bathroom and she started to bark at him for taking so long as she wanted to dance and he just planted a big kiss on her lips to shut her up - I found that scene so enjoyable because 20 seconds prior his lips were busy servicing my cock and now he is kissing her.....amazing!!! So, what @Verchiele wrote, "and when people are "in the mood", I think a meat is a meat." 🤪

Hi Marc, I like, @Olddaddy, also agree 100% with what you wrote. Your Jey Spa experience was probably like my GLAM's Massage & Spa experience that I had at the end of August. When I returned to Jomtien after my many days in BKK with @vinapu, I was so excited to share my massage experiences with some of the local guys that I know here in Jomtien. In fact, one of them told me about the then breaking news that one of the massage shops was changing hands and that they would install someone that I know - as a mamasan to run that massage shop. This mamasan to-be is a she (a real girl) and is fun and very business minded. I told the new owners that they need to create an "appointed massage" (I put in quotes because I believe that you @Marc308 are referring to the BKK type of massage shops with booking appointment systems ?) like they have in BKK with a LINE and/or X (Twitter) frontend to allow us to peruse the guys on offer, etcetra. The reply that I got was not totally positive (as I had hoped) - what was said to me is that this new mamasan would fulfill the role like what BKK has on offer via the LINE and X (Twitter) booking information system - but instead as a human person interface. I personally know this fun and friendly woman, so I might not have any intimidations to discuss with her what I want and don't want for my massage selection. I just worry that perhaps most of you guys might not like this approach ?? Would you tell a woman that you do not know what you desire to do sexually with a massage guy ? I believe that the technology frontends - like they use in BKK is way less intimidating - for us shy types like myself - as I don't need to be shy when I am looking at the plethora of massage guys on offer in BKK via LINE and Twitter and then to write a message to the massage shops respective booking manager to finalize my selection. @Marc308, the only "appointed massage" place that I am aware of in Pattaya is the Healthland Spa https://www.healthlandspa.com/ --> which is a NO hanky panky place. In closing, due to the lack of a BKK type of massage booking approach in Pattaya - I have created my own private system - where currently, I use my favorite masseur to book for me different guys for our twice weekly 4 hands massages. He knows my type and he knows the type of program that I like. So, when he comes across some new guy, he gets their profile details (90% come from Hornet and 10% from Heesay) and shares them with me and he obtains other manhood details about the proposed guy's attributes and then I say yes or no and then the deal is done. I tend to not repeat them - as I like the newness and excitement of these meetings - but with him I truly enjoy to repeat my massages with him again and again. This "friendship" has evolved to outside of my bed and we also go out to hang out in the Jomtien Supertown Complex, restaurants, BINGO, beach, etcetra. It creates a steady income for him - and it gets me away from the stress of having to hunt for good guys for 4 hands massages - BECAUSE Pattaya does not have the BKK type of massage booking systems on offer. Yes, I can walk to the individual shops here in Jomtien and try to pick from the guys who are sitting outside all day in the hot sun - but once you go near them it becomes an uncontrolled feeding frenzy - which really puts me off and to organize a 4 hands massage like this is almost near impossible without the calmness of the BKK type of systems they have in place to keep things calm and organized and civilized.

Yes I agree. 2 distinct bar owners in the Jomtien Complex told me that the "farang sit farang drink" modus operandi was preferred, to avoid that any of the other bars show off or upset the already existing business mantra apple cart, as it could be deemed as not being fair to the other bars. We need to remember that in Asia there is a strong idea of social conformity and cohesiveness. Ironically, some of the bar owners complain about the fact that they need to sacrifice (for 2 to 2.5 hours) their Wednesday night potential to the @Home bar for their popular Bingo night - as they need that part of the complex to be quiet so that the customers can hear the Bingo numbers being called out. So, in effect, the bars can, if they want to, upset the apple cart and go against this supposed social cohesiveness. But, still, the majority of the 35 bars choose to not create any friction and conform to the expected: Farang sit --> farang drink discipline.

It was told to me in secret. I will tell you what happened when I see you here in 3 weeks.

Good luck with that in the Jomtien Complex Nice Boys is in Sunee Plaza where almost anything goes Jomtien Complex is pretty sedate when compared to Sunee Plaza

yes, you pay a premium because of the unique breathtaking location. On this Cosy Beach cliff are several restaurants with similar view. I believe that the most popular one is the 3 Mermaids https://www.facebook.com/3MermaidsPattaya which requires an advance reservation if you want to eat in one of the many elevated bird nests - with amazing views. when I need to go there I make a reservation 3 to 4 days in advance - and you need to pay a reservation fee for the physical bird nest of 2.000 baht - but that amount is deducted from you bill after your dinner and if you are a no-show then you forfeit the 2.000 baht. Well, you wrote in a previous thread that we would need to go and check out the Legacy Big Tool bar on Walking Street and then someone else - perhaps in an @Olddaddy thread requested that someone check out the NEW The Secret Club Pattaya - also off of Walking Street - I believe on Soi 12 - formerly a straight club now supposedly gay. https://www.facebook.com/TheSecretClubPattaya/

wow @macaroni21 what a hottie he is with a gorgeous manly smile --> especially the chang with big ears - makes it more exciting to see the hidden trunk...

and is his hair really blond ? hmmm..... @spoon - maybe you found the "so rare that it's practically non-existent" guy..... Look below at what AI says about this.... I personally find Thai guys super sexy when they leave their hair in their natural dark color with some subtle manly hair features on their face - WOW!!! when they dye it blond - I just feel that I am with a fake guy.....and Thai guys love to have blond hair.... I guess that we always want what we cannot have (naturally) ?

mediocre - but that is to be expected - as it is still low season and also the rainy season. but many empty shops in the area are starting to get new tenants and things are starting to be spruced up in anticipation of the oncoming hi season.

Well - the new Jomtien Supertown Complex marquees are now up and operational. Photos taken today, Friday 20-Sep-2024. + In my opinion, this one above is quite impressive - especially for an area that has been zoned an area as being residential and not an entertainment area. It is quite BIG. This one is much smaller - as it is perched on the corner with an arrow to grab the attention of passersby who may not notice the larger marquee. What do you all think? Big boost coming for the approaching hi season ?

wow - amazing tidbit!!

sounds what the nomad workers call a Nomad Coworking Space - but in this instance it would be for purposes of cruising. but at least the bar should have a one drink minimum or rental fee to sit and "work" - like the Nomad Coworking Spaces do.....