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In the case of the police raiding the 32 elderly who were playing bridge in early 2016 - Barry told us that he believed it was due to: "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned" as perhaps, if I remember correctly, a woman who was one of the former partners of one of the bridge players reported them to the police as revenge ?? I imagine the same could happen if a gay guy suddenly finds himself jilted for another gay replacement ? 🤔 Worse than the "talk to the hand" treatment ?

Read these 2 news story from February 2016 when the local Pattaya police arrested 32 elderly foreigners who were playing bridge. https://www.pattayamail.com/news/gambling-charges-likely-will-be-dropped-against-foreign-bridge-players-55700 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/elderly-bridge-players-arrested-in-thailand-get-passports-back/6ubrp8b6y If you are a member of PCEC (Pattaya City Expat Club) and Barry Kenyon is presenting on a topic - he often brings up this story, as he was one of the 30 foreigners who were arrested. So, not the first time that the Pattaya police chasing foreigners for playing a card game.

Unfortunately no, because I now order in my massages to my condo room instead of going to the local massage shops. I do my bookings via 2 separate friends who organize masseurs for me from their vast pool of local guys. However, when I first moved here 2 years ago, I was frequenting both the Foxy Smile and Pattaya #1 Health massage shops - they are right next to each other and very near to Soda massage. As I like the more manly type of masseurs, both the Buriram and @The Beach massage shops tend to have more masculine masseurs.

https://jomtiencomplex.com/jomtien-complex-map/ Red colored places in the below map indicate all of the massage places in or just outside of the Jomtien Complex.

Interesting

In keeping with the theme of this thread created by @macaroni21, a random feed came up on my Youtube feed of an interview by someone I do not know, Tommie McDonald, former porn producer I believe in the UK, who now is a podcaster, of his channel, Offbeat - Tommie, @Offbeatme on Twitter (X) and on the web at: https://offbeatshow.com/ In this Youtube video he interviewed, Dr. Joe Kort, PhD, LMSW, who I have been following for years, as he is my hero - as he invented the new sexual position category of SIDE, thus liberating us sides who were formerly stuck in the TOP closet. https://joekort.com/ I found this Youtube video fascinating and it answers many of the questions brought up in our forum thread. Let me know what you all think? I also learned a new terminology = cashsexual = where a person is turned on by money if you pay them to have sex - discussed in the video at minute = 6:44 Enjoy. p.s. I did not know who Tommie McDonald was so I read a Metro UK article about him: https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/05/13-questions-youve-always-wanted-to-ask-a-male-sex-worker-answered-16900821/

and this my friend - is the HARDEST part of life to accept. So, we need to cherish those moments with our young guys when the moments come along and to not live too much in the past, or we could make ourselves depressed. In my condo room, I have a wall of photos, and some of them are of myself when I was young - often the Thai guys when they come to my room for my 4 hands massage they will gravitate to these photos and on some occasions they will ask me, "wow - who is that hot guy?" I reply, "that was me when I was twenty something or early thirty something...". Then I would say to them, "look what happened to that guy" as I point to my current self - and we have a good polite laugh.... 🤔😮😃

Dear @unicorn, many thanks for sharing with me/us your concerns on my ED journey. If I am honest with myself, it is more than 10 years that I have been struggling with ED and I have tried many different treatments over the years. My doctor orders blood work every month and all of my levels are healthy and ok - and I have had 4 months of results so far. If you know of any other ED treatments please share them here with all of us - because in 6 more weeks when I will conclude the ED shockwave therapy - if it is not successful - I will be looking for other alternative solutions. With my current TRT doctor - we have discussed what alternatives that remain if the ED shockwave therapy is not a success and I do not like any of these "end of the road" solutions, which are: PIT - Penile Injection Therapy - similar to what I was doing with the PT-141 peptide injection into the stomach abdomen - but instead the injection (self injected) is made directly into the penis where the prescribed medications can be: Rimix, Bimix, or Papaverine, Penile Prosthesis - which requires invasive penile surgery where they insert a prosthesis into your penis. These "end of the road" solutions do not appeal to me, so I think that I would just return to full-time use of the PDE5 inhibitors and live with the fact that sex can no longer be spontaneous and that I need to accept the side-effects of said inhibitors for the remainder of my life.

Hi @emiel1981, I am not sure if you saw the Massage Insider on X post by @TotallyOz back in June 2024 ? These are Thai run chat groups. I also joined these Twitter (X) LINE massage forums - as I wrote about here: One of these massage forums on LINE recently posted some comments about Maxwell - The Samsung AI auto-translates the LINE chat conversations from Thai to English and you need to be aware that it is not always gender nor person (1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person) correct - so you need to imagine what was really said. Hopefully this extra information can help you decide if you will visit this Maxwell place = https://www.maxwellonsen.com/ as it looks very nice. And if you do, please report back on what your visit was like.

Time for an update. I have completed 5 months of TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) and the results are: predictable erection resolution? partially. I still have a dependency on PDE5 inhibitors (cialis, sideagra, viagra, etc.), more muscle mass as a result of returning to the gym and TRT, assertiveness - a noticeable increase due to my elevated testosterone levels - in excess of 1,300. Doctor asked me if I was happy and I told him: returning to the gym after 10 years has lowered my blood pressure and I am happy that I could stop with the related blood pressure medications, I am not happy with the unpredictability of my erections - as this was the expectation from TRT - where I had hoped to shed the dependency on the PDE5 inhibitors So, doctor prescribed to me peptide PT-141 (Bremelanotide), which you self inject at home into your belly abdomen area. The PT-141 was SUPER effective - when I needed an erection it was there and very erect - however, the main drawback is that erections were coming and going spontaneously throughout the day and night - interrupting sleep. So, after a couple of weeks on PT-141 - I stopped as I did not like the side effects - as the PDE5 inhibitors rarely give me spontaneous erections like the PT-141 does. Now we are on the next phase of ED (Erectile Dysfunction) treatment, which is ED Shockwave Treatment. Unfortunately, my TRT's clinic does not offer this service so I had to find one and I found the Yada Clinic here in Pattaya and today, 04-Oct-2024, I had my first shockwave treatment. Included in their elevated price, is: 15 minute treatment with the BTL shockwave machine pressed onto various areas of your penis by the female technician (It has been WAY too many years since a woman has had her fingers on my penis - no arousal as I was VERY tense about what was about to happen to my penis {note they don't have male technicians}). The wand applicator is pressed onto your penis and electrical shockwaves penetrate your penis - the technician adjusts the shockwave value to a level that you can tolerate - I made it to 48%. She told me that the average is around 50%. I will try to go to 50% next week. Is it painful? kind of - but it is tolerable - as it is not constant but comes in short bursts with intervals between the sets of bursts. BTL Shockwave applicator after I got up off of the ED shockwave table After completing the 15 minute shockwave treatment you move to the next machine = MSsculpt and sit on a chair for 30 minutes where the purpose of this machine is to provide you with pelvic muscle strengthening by electrically stimulating the ischiocavernosus muscle --> read more here at: https://hermanwallace.com/blog/pelvic-muscle-rehabilitation-and-mens-sexual-health This was not painful and actually rather enjoyable - as the machine cycles through various electrical stimulations at different speeds that are stimulating your pelvic muscle region. you sit on this contraption for 30 minutes My goal for this ED shockwave therapy is to eliminate the dependency on PDE5 inhibitors and also eventually TRT. The Yada doctor tells me that once you complete 13 treatments (6 weeks at 2 times per week) you should be good to go with an erect penis for 6 months to 1 year - which would be great for me instead of doing TRT injections 2 times a week for the rest of my life. After all was said and done today - I felt like Frankenstein - like in one of the comical scenes from Young Frankenstein with Gene Wilder My ex does not like that I am doing all of this as he says that I will kill and short circuit my dick and that I should just accept to give up sex. I replied to him that I did not move to the other side of the planet to one of the sex capitals of the world to give up sex. He did not like this comment because Pattaya is now going through this recent societal phase of Pattaya is no longer "sin city" = hahahaha..... I share all of this information with you forum members - as I don't mind to be a guinea pig and to embarrass myself with what I am sure will be some belittling comments - but my real hope is for those forum members who suffer from ED - to not give up and to know that there are many possible solutions so that you do not need to give up on the joys of sex. Related information for those who want to know more: Video on how the Yada Clinic uses the BTL machine on your penis. Below link to the Yada Clinic information about the Focus Shockwave therapy that they employ: https://www.doctoryadaclinic.com/focus-shockwave-for-erectile-dysfunction/ Update recently published by Buzzin Pattaya on his Youtube channel regarding his success with TRT. In the video is my doctor that I am very happy with - even though my body did not obtain the desired to be able to drop the dependency on the need for PDE5 inhibitors. I will update this thread after I have completed the 13 shockwave and pelvic strengthening sessions - in about 6 to 7 weeks.

as an ex-banker - that really made me chuckle.....

I wonder if the 2nd video is from X-Boys Pattaya ??

The said laser pointers were introduced by the managers in Jupiter. The managers were using these laser pointers to help the customers to pinpoint (hone in) on the desired guy(s) that the customer wanted the manager to bring them over to their seat. I had never seen these laser pointers before and I saw the difficulty that the manager was having in trying to get the descriptive words out of the 2 female customers about which guys they wanted - as there seemed to be a communication problem when the manager would point the green laser light on what he thought was the desired guy that the customer wanted and it wasn't. So, my idea was, why not just give the laser pointer directly to the customer and streamline the process instead of trying to communicate in a noisy bar during a show with an intermediary (the manager mamasan) who may or may not understand which guy it is that you want. The way that the Jupiter shows work - the guys do not always have their numbers on their bodies - hence the need for the manager to use a laser pointer. The Jupiter management only allows for the numbers on their bodies at certain set intervals - so if a customer wants to have the company of a guy or to off a guy he/she needs to involve the manager - as there is no other way available to make the transaction happen.

Thanks for replying @macaroni21 - I find your spot on perspectives very eye-opening. From what I see what the Asians give emphasis to it is very different then what made early Pattaya famous (as we are no longer allowed to utter the words "sin city") as an R&R destination for tired and horny military in the nearby wars back in the 1960s and 1970s. Yes, I have seen this also for some of the Russian bars/clubs on Walking Street. Here in Jomtien, there is a Russian restaurant near Hemingways that plays Russian music on the street that leads into their restaurant. Thanks for sharing that Asian music with us - it is beautiful and it would be nice if at least one of the 30+ bars in the Jomtien Complex would play it. I would add an additional point to what you wrote above. For us expats that live here (we are not here on vacation), some of us have taken to Thai music - as it is our host country and I truly enjoy listening to it. One time I asked one of my dear Thai friends who owns a bar in Supertown as to why he never plays Thai music. He told me that they are forbidden to play Thai music if they don't agree to pay the equivalent of the Thai Music Association royalty fees which the Complex can arrange for said bar in their rental contract. This explains why almost 100% don't play any Thai music - however, I note that when some of the guys who work in the Complex make the occasional "private" party - that they will play Thai music - that being mostly Thai Mor Lam music from Isaan and Laos. Speaking of Mor Lam music - I went to my first Mor Lam concert here in Pattaya last night (02-Oct-2024). I am not a big fan of Mor Lam music - but I do have to say that the Mor Lam show was spectacular and colorful - I would suggest to our forum members if you want to experience an amazing Thai cultural event this is one of them. We were a large group - my gym trainer initiated this outing with my Thai friend who organizes my 4 hands massages - we were like 20 people drinking, watching, dancing, and just being silly. Many many gay guys were there that you would see either on the gay Jomtien beach hangout areas of soi 4 and soi 12 and also from Supertown. And this is why I chose to retire in Asia (South East Asia) instead of in Europe or the USA. I try to absorb their culture as much as possible.

or someone else's hand who knows how to make you a slow erotic edging handjob 🤪

Thanks for your comment - but please re-read what I wrote higher up in this thread. 1.) no pointing of camera to the stage - as phone or camera is not required, 2.) no possibility of secretly taking pictures, 3.) no need to be shy - as everything is private as you would be using the SAME GLP (green laser pen) that the mamasan is using.

oopsy, my intention was never to lift the veil on the privacy of our guys. The use of a technological solution was to be internal to the said bar/club where only you the customer would see your green laser pen (GLP) ID number and the manager/papasan/mammasan would also see the GLP ID number and perhaps the desired guy - but probably not as they are usually accessary free and we would not want them to be distracted from their sexy catwalk and/or show performance. and @omega this solution is even better than the one that I proposed. Almost every time that I have proposed the use of QR codes - there has been forum member pushback - but yet we accept the age old "number tag" system ?? I see that nowadays in our world of AI that already Apple and Samsung are introducing AI rings (NO - not cock rings - yet 🤪) Maybe this would be a better solution than my proposed QR code idea and also to the current "number tag" system ? Thanks @Marc308 for your support on my idea. The intention of my idea was to empower us who are SHY here in this forum. Many times I have accompanied our less SHY and famous forum members to the bar and they have no problems about getting what they want quickly and even sometimes at the protest of the obnoxious mamasans. Unfortunately, I am SHY and I just cannot grow a pair of balls like these other forum members and I proposed this technology solution to help: find a way to overcome my shyness by empowering me with a technology solution, a potential way to bypass and/or minimize the interaction of the obnoxious mamasans, get me closer to the guys that I want so that I can do what humans do best - let us interact with each other in a less stress free way without the involvement of unnecessary intermediaries. I want to sit in the exciting gogo bar/club BUT I want to be left alone to my own devices (pun intended) so that I can use technology to help my SHY personality to get what I want without the intervention of the obnoxious or pushy (Lurch from Moonlight comes to mind) mamasan. Why should we allow the gogo bar/club scene be a stressful situation ?

@macaroni21 - I am curious - what is appealing to young Asian visitors of today ? When I see the transition of BoyzBoyzBoyz (BBB) in Boyztown from being full of westerners of years past (where we ogled at scantly dressed sexy guys on the stage) to now being full of young Asians - these young Asians seem to like: the guys that are overdressed standing on the stage, calling down various guys from the stage to drink with them, watching the show, often getting plastered drunk - I have seen many a young Asian assisted to get into the bathroom or to be helped to go outside. If the guys are offed from BBB then I don't think that it is for sex but more for having companionship at some other club. What are your thoughts?

I definitely appreciate what you wrote above. The established protocol tends to get in the away in being able to obtain what we want in a quicker way. Back in August when I was at Jupiter in the upstairs section - I watched in awe how two heterosexual women obtained their 2 guys. They called over the manager and he used his green laser light pen to identify which 2 guys they wanted. In this moment during the evening the Jupiter guys were without their numbers attached to their bodies so it was critical to have an alternative way to identify which guy they wanted. This process was painful as you could see the 2 women speak into the ear of the male manager to try to establish which guy was of interest and sometimes he would point the green laser light pen to the wrong guy. @Travellerdave based on what you wrote above and what I saw occur in Jupiter - it would be much more efficient, in my opinion, to just give the green laser light pen directly to the customer to either: point to the desired guy, or, point to a QR code that is on the guy's person - which would allow an internal bar system to know which green laser pen identified the guy FIRST and then the manager can run over to the customer (identified by the QR code and location ID of said customer) to fulfill the deal. Those customers who were late with their green laser pen identifying activity could be held in a queue - in case the customer after sitting with the bar guy lets him go - as the deal does not go through. In this way, with the use of technology, we make this process much more streamlined and efficient, and we utilize the skills of the manager for a better purpose - instead of him trying to understand which guy the customer wants after many attempts while the guys are doing their cat walk and moving around. We also give hope to those who were not quick enough as they are already in a queue. Obviously, those in the queue can cancel their order. I think that this would also make it more fun and allow for those who are more shy to be empowered with technology that allows them to get what they want without exposing their shyness too much.

no problem - double the fun news..... your version is nicer because the beautiful photo of the new marquee is embedded into this thread.

The Pattaya Mail newspaper posted an article about the new Jomtien Supertown Complex marquee. https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/jomtiens-gay-venue-updates-its-marketing-image-474045?fbclid=IwY2xjawFnR59leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHf4RJ8gI5OGVfcHkqaAenOYjKrjnnPVJQ6IQDnn3-HiOG3W6qw9p0Lh4zQ_aem_0RxJYvIVHk-EIpXz8F-rsw#m1os3cu2wqgdsnjzpq I found the below commentary from the above article interesting: Although the number of gay bars has declined internationally, thanks largely to the advent of the universal internet, Pattaya and Jomtien have maintained a fairly large structured scene. Gay businesses still rely on a western clientele, mostly retired, which prefers a traditional and familiar setting based on alcohol, snacks and companionship. “There are millions of Chinese and Indians visiting Pattaya and Jomtien, but we don’t see them here,” according to motorbike taximan Pom who has been based at the Complex for 20 years.

Some forum members here can do 3 to 5 guys per day = 21 to 35 in 7 nights 🤪 🤩 🍆 💦

Unless of course he identifies as an "L"

Tough question to answer - as I do not believe that the seasonality (high versus low) would impact the quality. But I am not an expert - and I would suggest that other forum members respond with their opinions. From a financial budgetary point of view I would agree. From a quality point of view - I might not necessarily agree - again I refer to the opinion of other forum members. @vinapu - help ? I would say that they want to get away from the cold or non-pleasant weather and perhaps to escape from forced family gatherings during the holidays ?

When she appeared on National Thai TV - above embedded link is not responding to mouse click for activation. https://www.tiktok.com/@nuchy11001/video/7286507834974424326?lang=th-TH