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I live right next to the Jomtien Complex and this is my BIGGEST frustration point - because all of the massage guys congregate and stand, and/or sit on those plastic chairs in front of the many shops. After you have lived here for a while you can't get a word in edge wise with the new guys because all of the guys that you previously massaged with think that they own you and try to block you from meeting the new meat. It is totally unprofessional and intimidating and does not allow for a calm and civilized way to interact with the one that you are interested in. Unfortunately in Pattaya there is no booking systems or waiting rooms where the mamasan/papasan gets the guys to line up and you can choose the one that you want - like in Bangkok. Instead, the Pattaya methodology is not curated and is savage like, as if to be at the crowded morning fish market. Not civilized at all. So, you can use technology to your advantage. Walk around the Jomtien Complex and note the guys that you like. Then go onto the apps (Hornet, Grindr, Romeo) and wait until the one that you like --> to appear and then have a chat with him to see if you want to make a booking with him in your room, in a short time room, or in the shop where he works. You will find that this methodology is calm and civilized.

Yes, with each thrust into his tight sexy ass being deducted from your bank account. I hope that you cum fast 🙉🙈😜🤑🤑🤑

I would argue that a massage shop does not need to be labeled as being gay. In Thailand, things are much more fluid and naturally interchangeable then our more rigid western stereotypes. I would even venture to say that the majority of the males working in these massage shops (even if there are also female masseurs in the same shop) are open to some kind of, what we would label in the western world, "gay adventure". The more important issue is to discover their menu of offerings, such as: S = soft lite fun like handjob happy ending SS = soft fun that does not include anal sex penetration but may include blowjob, kissing, handjob, B2B (body to body humping), etcetra H = hard sex where anal sex penetration is on the menu. The guy may be Man (top only), Gay ( can bottom), both (versatile). In closing, the price schedule is that H activities cost more than the S and SS activities. I just now checked the Thai Massage_Insider LINE chat group and I see that some of their forum members list from lowest to highest the below pricing heirarchy: B2B S SS H I was surprised, as I had thought that B2B should cost more than S - as it can be more intimate than a handjob happy ending. Who knew?

I love this idea. But, I am perplexed, how would I perform the "Vinapu tuck" ritual? Please don't say digitally. Part of the joys of the Vinapu tuck are: Getting our hands on the underwear of the gogo boy, Carefully (without causing a paper cut in that delicate and sensitive area) slipping in the red note in to his underwear, Copping a feel of the guys package = flesh on flesh, Watching his smile, Returning to your seat to smell that wonderful mansense on your fingertips. The "Vinapu tuck" brings us so much erotic joy.....

I am still amazed at how popular that Grindr is with the many negative comments that I read in many various forums. Also, their product is inferior when compared to the other gay apps that give you basic search capabilities and easy ways to remain in contact with previous guys that you would like to repeat with. Furthermore, Grindr has the most expensive subscription plans when compared to the other apps. How is Grindr able to: Treat its user community poorly, Command a high price, Have an inferior product, And remain to be so popular in the gay community? I don't get it.

Shortly before leaving for Cebu, I had an authentic Mexican meal with another forum member. It was excellent and very much like the Mexican food that I used to eat back in Colorado, USA - when I lived there. It is very near to the famous Sansuk Sauna.

And this my friend is what is sorely missing in most of the many gay venues throughout Thailand. It is such a big missed opportunity and only requires little effort.

Supposedly, Mike and his partner, sold Dorothy's Showbar to the M2M cabaret bar that is in front which is currently being transformed into a Mexican restaurant. The hotel rooms in the upper floors will remain operational.

Hahaha I completely understand you, as I am a big edging guy, where the art of getting off in an edging context is the ultimate slow teasing prize 🍆💦🍆💦🍆💦

"Off" means "take away" as in you are taking the guy away from the club with you to your home, or room, etc. As if to ask for a "happy meal" from McDonalds and they ask you: You want to eat it here or Is this for take away (off)

And you know what is sad or cool about the above question? It may become our reality in our not so far future. Imagine that we are wearing an AI VR device and having a VR experience with what @jason1975 has created in his AI space. Imagine that this AI experience can be almost lifelike with even electronic impulses that arouse us and can get us off to orgasm? In this future (for now fictional) world this could become our reality. Jason would be paid by us for his AI work to enable us to have this orgasmic VR experience with the AI character(s) that Jason creates for our pleasure and consumption. Like an OnlyFans experience in the VR realm. Can you see this happening? *VR = virtual reality

And I can vouch for @vinapu that this guy is truly very sexy, as I believe that I was with Vinapu during one of these encounters here in Pattaya.

You will only experience this if you live here full time and you are with the guys 24/7. Your time here is limited, and your guys are with you only a set number of hours, so they can resist the dopamine addiction to social media until their contractual time finishes with you.

I will be writing a new post in the Philippines section sometime next week, as I am only in day 5 of my 62 day stay here. So it is still too early yet for me to make a fair assessment.

And if you have Grindr or Hornet and you zoom in to the Soda massage area - you may find many of them already online in the morning, as I believe that they employ more than 30 guys, with at least a dozen who live and sleep inside the shop. They are a very friendly bunch of guys.

I agree with your assessment that all of this exaggerated social media that uses "look how cheap it is..." as clickbait for more views is near its peak. Often these vlogger digital nomads need more clicks in order to have enough monthly income to sustain their lifestyle over here. I would also add 2 more annoying trends with all of this craze for social media: 1.) Attention deficit. When you are out with the local guys they are often more engaged with their social media feeds more than they are with you. They just can't put it down or turn it off for some quality time together because they are addicted to the dopamine high. 2.) Now the social media requires that whatever we are doing (outside of sex) needs to be uploaded so that all of their friends and fans know what "exciting" thing that they are doing. For example, we are not allowed to start eating until the meals are positioned in a way on the table for maximum appeal for upload. Only then when that process is completed can we begin to enjoy our meal. Unfortunately, soon after the meal pics are uploaded come all of the likes and questions about where you are eating start to arrive that further interupt the meal. I am now in the Philippines and this social media obsession seems to be less and consequently there is the ability to have more quality time together as you don't feel to be competing with the social media dopamine fix as much as back in Thailand.

Adding to your list @reader tax benefits - as offered with the Thailand BOI (Board of Investment) LTR (Long Term Resident) Wealthy Pensioner visa. Only costs 50.000 baht and can be valid for up to 10 years. Why spend 650.000 baht for a 5 year visa that does not have any tax benefits? https://image.mfa.go.th/mfa/0/YykHYtRMc8/Visa/SMART_LTR/LTR.pdf

Wow @Gottago I truly enjoyed your narration of your time with the 2 straight guys. It was very exciting to read.

I wrote an article about these LINE/Twitter massage groups here: From within the above forum post scroll down to the below section as shown below: Enjoy

Yes, the joys of living in "sin city". Oops, we are not allowed to say that anymore - as per the local government. Now it can only be known as the: Family friendly entertainment place

Come on guys, the jizz from the midnight orgasm during the countdown has to spray somewhere. 🍆💦💦💦

@Verchiele Great how to guide for massages in Thailand. I would add some more additional terminology that I find to be very useful when negotiating what you want with the massage guys who are in the freelance category and are not tethered to any one massage shop. As I am almost always looking for non H types of massages, I pay special attention to the terminology that I use. So, I tell them that I am looking for a massage that includes "OUTSIDE" activities. The guys then understand that I am looking for non-penetration "outside" activities, listed as S or SS in the LINE massage groups. These "outside" activities can include: - handjob - blowjob - if he is straight he may not offer to blow you but they generally allow you to blow them - B2B - a form of sliding and humping with one body on top of tbe other - edging - this one is difficult to obtain, as edging is not well known in Thailand, as it is in other countries. Here in the Philippines, there is a high awareness of SIDE and EDGING activities. For H activities, then it is commonly referred to as "INSIDE" activities, where the roles are referred to as: - "receiver" or "gay" - what we refer to as "bottom", - "attacker" or "man" - what we refer to as "top". In almost all cases, I found that for the "kissing" activity, it is better to allow it to be spontaneous. I have found that some guys who say that they won't kiss, will kiss if the heat of the moment makes them crazy. And vice versus, if you prenegotiate kissing and then discover that you don't find his breath and/or other attributes about him appealing, that you find yourself not in the mood for kissing. I hope that these additional vernaculars help.

Great report. I love discovering the many islands of Thailand. Was it really only 80 baht more a room with an ensuite? If so, that is great value for money.

The BEST part are the last 2 paragraphs: Looking ahead, Thaksin’s role is expected to grow, particularly in shaping his daughter’s administration and strategising for the 2027 general election, to secure at least 200 parliamentary seats. However, given Thailand’s volatile political environment, unexpected developments remain likely.

Only if you do not want to pay the new income tax on inbound remittances that were implemented by the Thai government. Only 180 days temporarily "moving" outside of Thailand for the next 2 biennial tax periods. By my age 69 no more temporary "moving" would be required. Plus I get to have the experiences to see what it is like to "temporarily live" in other nearby countries in Southeast Asia.