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If that's a case you and firecat are perfectly correct with your assessments of the said 'admirers '. It must be a frequent occurrence if boys are not afraid of posting such a possibly off-putting statements. In defense of both sides I think due to language barrier often neither side is lying but what one side said in not exactly what other side heard. I suspect such a case with me and one of Arena boys in May. After massage , afters and tip boy suggested he will go with me to my room, being jetlagged I refused for that night promising him to come back which I did 2 days later . Definitely from facial expression he was not happy to see me and did not even take part in usual presentation of masseurs available. I wonder to this day what went wrong .Only explanation I have for myself is that my 'other day' he interpreted as ' next day ' and when I did not show up he was pissed off Not that I was loser on this because replacement I found that evening was absolutely my dream come true but that is another story.

Hey Christian, good for you ! I read your narrative as very promising . Why you wonder ? May be he likes you. Just follow your own advice and invest more time . By going to see him you are not upsetting yourself with him being late. Good luck and remember , often travel is as good as destination.

It looks that government underestimated opposition resistance to the amnesty and they mat still reconsider.. And opposition does not presents any plausible argument for their case hiding behind the façade of ' defending monarchy '. Just my opinion, I may be wrong. Still believe electoral verdict on issue would be preferable than staged protests.

But this is part of adventure - joy of discovery for both sides. I'm not on those sites but I assume that all users are not really expecting accuracy with stats and pictures. Just something like "Pattaya is popular family holiday destination on the Gulf of Thailand"

opportunistic theft will always exist, not only in the sex trade. It's why sensible person needs to take precaution by removing temptation from pure view, spreading money between few pockets etc. But we can't create an impression that by bringing boys specials home we are at risk of being robbed as this is clearly not a case. It's why I have an issue with statement above that 'large percentage are liars and thieves and particularly in BKK". Clearly trailrider has bad experience and we would like to hear his side of story or he is trying to take us for a ride. For now I scream : ALL YOU NEWCOMERS TO JOYS OF THAILAND DO NOT BE AFRAID, CHANCES YOU WILL HAVE ANYTHING STOLEN ARE NOT BIGGER THAN IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY WHEN YOU INVITE COMPLETE STRANGER HOME.

I did not want to make to lengthy post and wanted to include girls so opted for all -inclusive knee version, political correctness running amok, my fault

forum very active this morning / evening, Hi everybody !

You are right but one can replace Thailand in your post with Mexico, Egypt or India and rest is as accurate. Many countries simply don't have road infrastructure to handle number of vehicles on the roads and corruption allows everybody and his sister to obtain a license without proper training. But it looks from other posts that as soon as one leaves BKK driving becomes pleasant and easy. Farang drivers are source of few accidents because they mistake girl's or boy's knee for gear lever.

Are you trying to inflame us here? What is your statistic sample so you venture with such an opinion ? Do what Christian did and tell us your stories so we may be warned. " Large percentage ' is pretty serious statement . As for me - 8 trips 1 week trips since 2001, almost always long time off for the night so possibilities of theft increasing with longer time and me inevitably falling asleep for hour or so -and never not only anything stolen but not even any hint they may be interested in looking in my staff. Firecact is talking about hundreds meetings with 1 snafu, rarely on forums one can see reports of thefts. Not saying it doesn't happen but for my personal use I feel safe with the boys . As for lies - as firecat noticed above it may be part of trade for both sides, they tell us we are handsome, we tell them they must be blind, but those are harmless lies. If boy promises to do something and doesn't deliver it may be deliberate lie to land a contract but also lack of chemistry or size / hygiene etc issues. But this is just misleading advertising - not a lie, all companies are doing this 8 days a week , 25 hours a day, turn your TV and watch the ads with all those dirty spots disappearing with wave of hand.

No, I just went there seconds ago , all looks good at least for visitor / I'm not member there /

They work hard to win , one must admit

I think in any setting - commercial/ non commercial, straight / gay etc. Thais prefer just to do it instead of talking about it , you rarely see any display of affection in public even among young people, at least this are my observations. Even fact that those dens of sin - Patpong, Nana and Cowboy , prominent yet somehow hidden from main street perspective is telling. As for Rogie's comment above about "making friends and allowing possibility ..." even with commercial sworn king/top boys on few occasions when long time offed I noticed that while early during convention there's no way even of toughing their lower behinds without some growling, if everything goes right and you seem to built some rapport with guy in the morning resistance is disappearing / to toughing , not actual act - for this more time and likely more money is necessary /

As ChristianPFC's adventure few weeks ago with drivers from Hualampong described on this forum attests to

I always like to leave driving to locals almost everywhere I have been. One can't drink and drive, right?

No surprise as even on this forum we seem to have kind of different opinions about the issue

60 DAYS ! Lucky you, it looks that soon you will be domesticated in Thailand ? Another week and off I go, hope to find something interesting to contribute although like Anonone I use to take very low tech approach to vacations, no laptops, phones just immense heater to make my own tea in the room at morning time. But there are reports that internet cafes are becoming trendy place to meet boys special, one more incentive to go there. And definitely will try to check the lead you left us here with pictures of 2 boys from A-Bomb, it would be waste of your 200 bht If nobody followed there

looks that they had a good time

I second that !

Long live Sanam Luang for putting ChristianPFC back on his foot. And again you managed to stir posting community which is good thing, too bad that case could not be defended but at least was discussed and as one can see summarily dismissed. Now cheer up with last night memories and start smelling roses again

firecat, you will be flying out soon I gather so safe arrival home, You had good vacation and we had even better thread .

You are chasing to many birds and it may show by your attitude detected by the boys or even news may spread. You may think you are anonymous while in fact community of availables / word just invented by me / on various internet sites may know you well, It may be also communication problems as boys may think they understand you and you may think you understand them but somehow you speak different music of the same language. Third reason may by their poor knowledge of BKK , culturally they will not admit but it may take time to find place in such a big city. Good people of Lichtenberg may have similar problem when going to Spandau so why you expect Thonburi guy know how to find a place in Lak Si. And do not assume that everybody knows where even most popular places as MBK or Nana are. As other mentioned it may also be indication of poor interest in you and Thais are not known for blunt ' no 'statements, so it may be their way of giving a hint. You are serious contender for title of Master Popular Poster on various Gay Thailand sites but with tittle of the post above, you may diminish your chances as it sounds offensive and un-called for. Those are normal boys with lax attitude to time and poor orientation in the big city but they are making for it in smile, smooth skin and neatness not to mention other attributes and no need to repay them with 'retards' tittles. We like our boys for what they are so it may be an idea to consider to narrow your expectancies and settle down a bit instead of trying to jump from flower to flower with full stomach making flight unstable and bumpy. Treat yourself , not frustrate Generally speaking if setting meeting with anybody anywhere I let them to pick up place instead of suggesting what I would prefer thus increasing chance they will know the place. Then is this statement I found in your post :"then you lead a shitty miserable life like mine where nothing matches". Do you seriously summarize your life like that? Strange statement for one born in affluent society, well educated with experience of living in at least four different countries, with job paying enough so you can generate a surplus by your own admission in one of your highly readable posts , and as a bonus able to go through as many fucks as heart and this other thing desires. Honestly I think you father should fly there, unbuckle his belt right at Swampy and spank you there so you start counting your blessings instead of stressing yourself with boy going to the wrong bookstore. I don't have boy late for meeting stories as I spent my vacations very low tech and with no phones, laptops, i-somethings, e-mails etc no hair rising stories, time saved this way I rather spent on the street admiring boy's behinds and entertaining myself with guessing what they are hiding behind the zippers at front. Instead of chasing boys I just go where they are-everywhere

Nothing wrong with his looks, good for you and good for him. Nice to finish good vacations with even better encounter.

As one of those people for whom Sept 11 is not as much anniversary of bombing of World Trade Center as anniversary of bloody Pinochet's coup in Chile in 1973 I'm signing your statement above with both hands ! Yes, sometimes forceful removal of people in power my be good thing but it should not be dressed as defense of democracy neither as exercise of saving nation from itself. I don't have much an idea if Thaksin was good or bad leader but can help not to notice that his power was sneakily stolen from him and no pleasurable case can be made that country or it's people were made visibly better by this theft.

Lesson learned- when visiting somebody in order to check his stamp collection is not a bad idea to drop by 7/11 and pick up roll of paper towels. always can be explained that you need it for one's own place to avoid face loss. Plastic mattresses in Thai climate may be handy to clean but definitely not pleasant as bed surface. Again not a bad idea to accept invitation to see somebody in his place just to learn few new things.

May be something is in the works but not finalized yet and they did not know what to say. I will be staying there in 3 weeks hope by that time we may know