vinapu

I can relate to OP being nervous since I still remember my heart pumping when climbing stairs back in 2001 to my first massage place visited-HIS in the same plaza where ARENA is now. Even now, after 11 trips when entering those places I feel some tingling under the collar. My advice to nervous newbies to BKK male massages will be: - go by BTS to Sala Daeng station and walk length of the right side Silom from beginning at intersection to soi 6, many massage places with boys outside - turn right and walk through soi 6 , still few more massage places as you are walking with even more boys to Suriwong - after 3 minutes you will hit another busy street -Suriwong, turn right, don't cross the street yet - walk along and you will see even more places with boys outside -when you pass Patpong and Patpong 2 on your right start paying attention to the opposite side of Suriwiong , soon you will see sign HOT MALE, BOYS BANGKOK etc , this is famous soi Twilight - cross the street making sure you are not hit by car, remember Thailand drives on the left -enter soi , few meters into soi you will see on your left MAXI restaurant and on your right and across restaurant Bangkok Massage with quite a few boys sitting outside, count your blessings because they will not pay any attention to you, being consumed by watching porn or whatever on their smartphones - have a seat, order drink but not a meal and get adjusted to the sight of massage boys thinking intensively which one you like the best, - even if you don't pick up anybody this gives you necessary nerves calming exercise - if you walk too fast you may stop at another restaurant - Dick's on your right , right after seeing another set of boys sitting at front of Bonny's massage, you may repeat exercise but vantage point is not as good since you will have your drink sitting beside boys , not across the soi from them. Now you should be brave enough to try either one of places you just saw or ones you plan to visit. Both places are not intimidating because technically you are in restaurant not at their place. Having to choose your first boy from the offer can be intimidating as well so if you still scared / nervous my advice would be to try Waternest, Jey Spa or S52 since there you are picking up boys from either smartphone or picture book. Second choice could be Hero, Prince or VClub because boys there are behind the glass wall so not in your face so you will feel a little more secured. You will not see nudity anywhere until you will be in the massage room with the boy who may be naked from the start or may start shedding his clothes gradually. In both places in soi Twilight and at Hero and Prince boys will shower with you so you will have nudity right away which may be good or not good thing depending how nervous still you are. My advice to my friend who will be nervous newbie will be to skip all the above and head straight to Banana Club and ask Kevin, very pleasant and informative owner for Tao. He is well mannered soft spoken gay man with superb massage skills, trained at Wat Po , it shows and feels I haste to add. Can't imagine anybody not being at ease in his presence. Banana Club boys are showering with you as well at both ends of session. Gee, getting hot in here.

1. We had breakfasts somewhere else, usually at Foodland Patpong , so really I did not notice that cafe and can't comment. 2. sign is there but boy from Super A I offed to Nantra Silom told me that there are no problems with visitors at Sunflower and being from bar located 20 meters from hotel I guess he is in good position to know. Room I rented was for use of my quasi boyfriend I brought from Pattaya , I was at Nantra around the corner, I had room fro 4 nights but he slept there only two (alone I hope). 3. I went there couple times to grab him at various times including in the dead of first night and had no problem entering, reception was manned / actually girled that night / 4. no idea as we vacated room after breakfast but they seem to be nice there so I guess with smile you can negotiate later checkout. They even remember to return my 500 key deposit I forgot about and had she not returned it to me I wouldn't recall it likely although chances are my boy would. Hope it helped vinapu

If you are in BKK just go to Tawan and throw your net. If not, just wait impatiently like all of us do when we have trip approaching. Keep in mind recommendations are precious but we need to check by ourselves, sometimes recommended boys are not to our liking, sometimes other way around, boy who we are warned about is becoming our little treasure . I call it joy of discovery. I even had a case described in Nov 2014 trip report when on one night boy was wild tiger and on next became sleepy kitten - I liked both incarnations equally.

I don't know your system but usually I ask boy how much he wants before off so no haggling in the morning , sometimes bit haggling in the bar if boy is clearly too greedy, I don't blame them for trying. Sometimes boy is asking in the bar how much I give them. I like to settle money and time maters / I off long time almost exclusively / up front so no surprises later. Some people just paying what they consider going rate and throw a bit more or not if boy asks for taxi money /for me this is kiss of death as long as that boy is concerned although at times I give them 100 for taxi but not because they ask but because I liked experience/ Surprisingly perhaps I was drawn to # 14 by his hairstyle but liked his personality and huggable body /with 3 offs it goes without saying / , he is one of smaller boys in Tawan

Thanks for warning, your opinion reflects most comments on another forum

3000, this is max I'm paying for long time spoiling market for others I guess

now we are waiting for yours

do you mean you occasionally see boys in business who are approaching sixties ? There are some here and there who may be in forties but I never saw anybody THAT experienced

Tawan, no mamasans to speak of, boys are friendly and very open minded. But if you are into twinks this is no place for you.

Me neither but boys drag me over there

YES, that's it,

thank you ! If it's any consolation I can tell you that I bought ticket for last trip at end of January but literally till evening of day of departure at end of May I was not sure I will be able to use it due to some family circumstances so I was living 4 month in suspension, an alternative was kind of pleasant too but nothing beats vacation in LOS.

didn't I post 3 or 4 pictures from Tropical gardens?

It's actually 2 weeks already. Before Thai economy can count on me I need to start counting on my own economy LOL I usually don't make plans for trips , just wait for moment of enlightenment and then act very fast to finalize.

Happy birthday koko !

Thank you biguyby. I'm sad I completed my report and now only can think about next trip for which I don't have any plans yet. I liked our bar tour as well spoiled only by way too loud music at XBoys and awfully silicon deformed cock of one of performers there. I too hope for future meetings. Bar tours and exchanging views about boys on stage is always highlight on my trips. But now I'm back to slavery only consolation being fact I hate summer vacations so it's easier to toil.

I'm not that stingy, budget was busted few days earlier / on Tuesday , I departed Saturday / . I usually leave empty pocketed when I travel either by spending last penny, putting leftovers in charities collection bins in airport which I consider great idea as for most people foreign money is useless in their home countries or by giving it to some random person like this lime

I don't remember name, boy from Super A lead us there since he knew location so I followed him as a sheep not paying attention as I'm not big on steaks. It was roughly across Silom soi 6 on Convent side of Silom, building is called CP tower or something like that and restaurant is on 2nd floor. It was some renovation done on first floor , you need to climb some stairs for 1 st floor , is not on street level exactly

Day 14 First thought in the morning was that I’m no longer butterfly. Second night was only one with somebody new / boy from Screwboys / , rest known quality from previous trips or repeat offs in case of Super A and Tawan boys. Today I was rushing him a bit because I wanted to see Xiluzer at 8.30 at Foodland Patpong and we were just finishing breakfast when he showed up. Great friend and companion for bar and massages visits. We share the same taste but surprisingly perhaps still like different boys from places we visit together. He is big fan of Tawan and no surprise he knew my boy remembering even his number. Hope our paths will cross again soon on BKK pavements. So two good byes for me at once, Xiluzer went right to his hotel, Oud left to catch taxi home at Silom and I went straight to hotel to pack which did not take much time , I’m travelling lightly. BTS to Phaya Thai, train to Swampy /45 baht /, at the airport spent last bahts on bottle of whisky, Oriental Wood after shave cream I always buy for 420 in one of duty free stores and remaining 42 baht I gave to cleaning lady I passed by on my way to the aircraft and so my 11th trip to LOS was over. A bit different than before with less massages and no butterflying , more days spent in PTY then previously and first and foremost Quasi Boyfriend Experience, surprisingly perhaps, very enjoyable . As usual I left happy and with busted budget but for me this is part of holiday experience. I’m very careful with money at home to let my hair loose while on vacation. There was only shade this time- absence of One at Screwboys. If he was there it would be quite possible whole situation was reversed with me taking him to PTY. I like clinging to and hugging my men, he was one who liked to cling to and hug me, small difference but hard to forget.

Day 13 I’m early riser but definitely not today. It was 10.40 when we left room and instead of late breakfast we had early lunch in a restaurant downstairs. Boy had some seafood and me , you guessed right, chicken with cashew nuts. I did not have a chance for my morning stroll along Silom so did noon one instead, always fascinating and always something new. At 1 p.m. as promised yesterday I went to soi Twilight to have massage with Sokchai at Bonny’s. Good, strong massage and I like his quiet manners and almost completely hairless body. As result of QBFE I’m undermassaged so decided for repeat at Banana hoping Tao will be there but Kevin, the owner recognized me right away and told me he has day off today so I settled for substitute catching my eye and he was quite good and fun as well as impressively endowed. Then went back to Om Yim due to 7 p.m. scheduled meeting with ChristianPFC . Dinner together downstairs, I don’t remember what he had but if you don’t know what I did just read 1st paragraph above. I must be seriously addicted to Thai version of chicken with cashew nuts and never tired with it. Then we decided for X-Size in soi Twilight. This trip I clearly neglected soi , used to be there every night , this time only few times with 2 massages and 2 bars visited. X size was pretty empty but closer to show time was filling in. Few boys on the stage completely dressed, Lao and Cambodians I guess for easy escape in case boys in brown visit, locals in briefs. . Mostly twinks but later on few man like appeared , among them boy I offed last Dec with whom I was very happy but who pissed me off by leaving early. I’d give him a chance but tonight I was fixated on Tawan unfortunately for him. He participated in big cock show so got my 100 tip along with his diminutive colleague who was hung like horse. Quite a few boys were smiling at me temptingly not knowing that they don’t have a chance and I saw some potential as well. All in all nice show and nice mix on the stage. After the show we hang out a bit and then left, Christian was heading to Farose sauna if memory serves me well but saunas are not my thing so we parted our ways on Suriwong hoping for meeting in the future. Always nice conversation with Christian and a chance to look at boys from another perspective- definitely we are not in competition when comes to boy types, as he says my boys are too fat for him and probably too old although he was gentle enough not to say it loudly. Last pass by Screwboys still hoping One appeared but mamas an standing at front shaked her head saying ‘no’, even now writing this I feel a bit sad. As planned went to Tawan, hoping #15 , name Boy will be there but was not so I sat again with my last night stand # 14 and invited another hunk Tiger to sit with us as well. Not too many clients so they cancelled second show they usually have on Fridays / and Saturdays /. After good half an hour I asked # 14 to dress, is not exaggeration to say he seemed very happy, no wonder , 3 offs in 4 days and as soon as he came dressed what happened? #15, Boy showed up, probably somebody called him I’m looking for him but failed to inform me , I’d wait in such a case. Unfortunately it was too late. I wouldn’t feel right to do what #51 did to me on Sunday and tell him that I will go with another boy, sure I could gentlemanly pay him tip without taking him home but at end of trip I did not have funds for such generosity. After all not my fault , I did my part by showing up. I gave Boy 100 baht for taxi, he was visibly upset he missed his off two nights in row – I told him I was looking for him yesterday too.. Another great time with Oud at end of day 13 and my whole trip.

5 parts of new series :"Man of Sin" added to the website. Part 4 is featuring M from Senso / one with tattoo / known to some of us.

What exactly I did which was extremely awkward? Don't forget that whole idea wasn't mine, it came from boy and at first glance I did not like it but decided to try just for fun. My input was to haggle down his daily fees and to rent him separate room. We spent a lot of time together but I did not feel restricted nor he did not make me feeling restricted when I wanted to go my own way , not only to hunt for boys but also to meet other forum members. At no time I have feeling he is absorbing too much of my time. Time alone is necessary not only for mental sanity but also for wallet health, when we were together all expenses doubled right away, 2 drinks , 2 meals, 2 tickets etc. I did not worry about incompatibility, offed him 2 times long time in Dec and we spent 3.5 nights together in PTY plus an afternoon at Sanctuary of Truth so I had some idea what I'm up to. But this is legitimate concern, often kissable and huggable boy in the bar turns woody and in rush in the room.

be careful with that wind, Silom is crowded street at night and some passerby may take an offence

Few reflections on my so called Quasi Boyfriend Experience / term borrowed from a447a / . Some readers may wonder if whole affair described above is worth a trouble. After all my case was classic example of advice given very often about LOS ‘if you are looking for love – rent it”. If was not even my idea, rather boy suggested he will accompany me to BKK because he wants to see Silom and do some shopping, always looking for something new I decided to give it a try. When waving him good bye at Ekkamai I was kind of relieved and thought ‘ it was nice but never again’, now two weeks later I’m rethinking, possibly because I’m missing him a bit. I must say boy / not really boy , I should say man, I think he is approaching 30 if not more / kept his side of bargain being always with me when I wanted and going away without any fuss when I had other ideas. This was agreed up front and in fact it was his idea but still he made it working. Both boys I brought in his presence were welcomed and with one three of us spent quite a bit of time in bed. I never feel restricted but as some commented it’s awkward situation to push aside one boy in order to accommodate another . But after all it was my vacation. When we were together he never let me feel that he is bored and rather be somewhere else and his highly kissable and huggable body was always accessible. Christian PFC thought him being too fat but meatless boys are his priority , not mine. He had good feeling what I liked and what I did not so all tensions were avoided I liked his personality and his sense of humor and of duty, after all he remembered he is at work. Never disputed my idea how to spent time , where to eat etc. Few things I did not like. Having constant companion is both joy and a chore. Definitely I was less active in massages not wanting to leave him alone too often for too long. Benefit of this was that I spent a lot less money on them than usually when I take 2 a day. The same goes with bars – being bar boy himself he was not particularly interested in bars and shows but soldiered on to Tawan and Jupiter with me and we went to check on Screwboys since he wanted to see my December boy I spoke so highly about but he was gone to my man's relief I guess. Not that I saved money that way. While there was never talk about increasing his agreed rate for day and night , both I considered generous but well spent IMHO I did not like petty attempts to extract a bit more here and there. Asking money for white wine when leaving him in the room alone and no empty bottle in sight upon return or one for girl massage which he certainly did not take pocketing cash. I did not mind it but still did not like it either, may be it was his idea of saving me face? His idea of asking me to pay him at the end so he can save this money was smart and I liked it but it also meant that he had excuse to ask me to pay for this or that because he was still not paid. The same goes with last day idea of parting gift – he read my mind well since I was planning this but still I feel a bit pressured. At end of day I save money because I was planning to give him 100 USD but spent less than that on suggested parting gift. I also did not like the he asked boy I brought for threesome how much I pay him and he was complaining about me being too generous. And few musings about motorcycle , old smartphone and buying gold but I did not hesitate to dismiss them right away in no uncertain terms So it seems everything worked only money matters were somehow source of tension and no surprise there but nothing serious, he was not too pushy and I kind of understand and budgeted that he may be trying to extract a bit more than agreed. Definitely he did very well with me in financial terms but I have no regrets. So verdict and advice : would I do it again in the future? Surprisingly for myself, two weeks later my answer is ‘probably yes’ although I like better formula a447a is using when hours together are set and part of day each party has for himself. This may be easier if boy is from the same city not brought over which was my case. I’d be still advising boy I need free hand in bringing over other boys and I like my own idea of renting him separate room for such cases / his idea was he will be sleeping on the floor if need arises /. Definitely I would go for QBFE only with boy I offed long time at least twice as it gives some idea of compatibility and money matters would be discussed in big detail to avoid any drama – just I we did this time. I’m not sure boy liked that episode but I know I did. I liked him, his body and attitude. When in Siam Paragon I jokingly said ‘we need to go to the washroom because I want to kiss you’ he pointed to the washroom sign without the word showing he is for me even if only for the money. /we did not go there, it would be embarrassing for both of us I guess / . When last December after my first off of him firecat, who witnessed my interest in the boy, expressed joy next day that he did not turn to be ax murderer who would think things will go that far and he will beautify my life for few days next year. still two more days to go, watch this space if interested

I somehow skipped Tawan for years. I don't even know why as boys there are my type. Since I braved myself to enter back in Nov 2014 / my 9th trip / I like bar and their attitude , sexy and friendly. Show is for very open minded, specially J/O finale My offs from there weren't exactly success - first one was nice and hot but cut agreed time - big no-no for me, second one preferred to go with another customer / or was asked to go by management, who cares / , only third one was both smart and hot enough to warrant two repeats. But still I'm after those two boys who kind of pissed me off not only because their bodies but also friendliness and lack of attitude. On another hand for lots of our members it's nothing there - no twink in sight and 25 y.o may be considered junior but for me at the moment is bar #1