vinapu

as long as they work as prison guards in Guantanamo base they can

You have a point , I have 16 lane highway 200 meters from my windows so my noise tolerance must be much higher due to training.LOL. Not only Thais , it seems all South Asians have the same affliction and I recall with horror some overnight trips by Indian buses and Chinese trains. But my point to OP was: don't be afraid to take Boyztown hotel as it may be much more quieter than you expect in such location, proven 3 times.

Last three trips I was staying in LeCafe Royale in standard rooms on either 2 or 3rd floor and never had any problems with soi noise at night but complains are surfacing on forums from time to time so it seems it depends on the hotel / room.

it's easy to get from Boyztown to Jomtien and back during day , just hop on songtaew -you will see them lining up on 2nd Road just south of intersection with South Pattaya Rd, easy 150 meters walk from Boyztown. If you tired with the trip, whole 10 minutes, you can always stop and relax at Bamboo bar before heading to the beach. The same before your return trip if you feel anxiety, boys there are quite relaxable. Rest assured Boyztown will keep you occupied those two days, forget the beach, Copa massage boys are available from late morning and you can get your tan just by walking around the block.

About Sunflower I'm not sure, what I know there's sign on the door leading to internal staircase indicated 500 charge for unregistered guests but if that's enforced or not I don't have an idea. Nantra Silom website says the same but neither me not Xiluzer who recommended that hotel to me never had any issues with guests , they seem not to care at all and don't even hold guests ID. So same of those signs may be just to appease police rather than scary of whoring tourists. As for comparison between Om Yim and Nantra Silom honestly I'd say it's toss a coin, heads you win, tails you don't lose either. Nantra advantages: newer and more modern hotel and fixtures, lots of daylight in the rooms, free basic breakfast included /tea, coffee, toast, jam , cereals /, has elevator with exception of 2nd floor, reception staff not intrusive at all, steps from 7/11, about 8 massage places and 4 go-go bars within 2 minutes walk / Tawan , Super A, Nature Boys and Golden Cock/, free computers in the lobby Disadvantages : washbasin in the room, no closet / railing to hang your clothes above that desk provided / , refrigerator and safety deposit box in the open, reception staff indifferent Om Yim advantages: excellent restaurant on ground floor /with BKK second best chicken with cashew nutson the offer /, reception holds your guest’s ID, much bigger rooms, exchange counter with possibly BKK best rates steps from hotel, ARENA within the same block, right at BTS, tea/coffee making facilities in the room, washroom is separated from the room by the door, big closet, safety deposit box and refrigerator hidden in the closet, cemetery right behind hotel. Disadvantages: no breakfast even for purchase as restaurant opens at 11 a.m., no elevator , 7/11 very close but on another side of busy Narathiwas so to access it one needs to climb BTS stairs. During my May trip both hotels had maintenance issues: Nantra smelly / durian / refrigerator, leaking shower, Om Yim non flashing toilet and 2 insects spotted/ I had their biggest and most expensive room/. Overall I’m happy with both , at 35-40 $ at the very city center close to everything I need both are very good value. At the moment I’m slightly tilted toward Nantra reason being I become big fan of Tawan and bar is 157 steps from the hotel while it's about 753 to Om Yim so walking distance with the hot boy I may be overheated.

Tiles on the floor are great idea in the BKK climate as walking barefoot on them makes nice cool feeling

I think boys know going rate very well and while gladly accept higher tip I doubt they really expect more than whatever is standard at the moment,they may hope for more, yes, but I doubt they expect. They seem to have senses of what windfall is. I had cases when tipped boy extra for massage or gave unasked taxi money and on next off did not do that, boy did not ask for more, recall only one exception /Super A boy this trip / I consider my money well spent, no regrets. I count 2500 / long time fair tip and if happy , happy to pay 200-500 more. You have point of spoiling , not just for others but for myself too, if boy is overtiped one night he will want the same next one. But choice of avoiding this is always mine -known quality for known price or adventure somewhere else, tried both on may occasions. Not too many bar or massage boys in BKK will go long time for 1500 , GR , street trade and Saranrom yes but from my experience whenever I tried to economize on rate they tried to cut promised time under any pretext - parking , other work and so on. I don't like that although it happens from time to time, that's kiss of death in my eyes as long as future offs are considered and I tell them that in no uncertain times either when they are leaving or when in their bar next time and they are looking for another off. So far no exception to this internal rule of mine although I considered making it for one of Tawan boys but it did not materialize yet.

Can't help you with boys mentioned but few general warnings -often boys look a bit different in flesh than on the photos and fortunately for us Thai boys look better in real. At least this is my experience with those I met - if you after certain boy either call in advance to secure your appointment and hope they will keep it or be prepared when you show up he may not be there may be with client already or horror of horrors, will not look like you imagined based on the picture. Not necessarily worse, mind you , just different / taller. shorter, skinnier , more massive etc. / - readers advice will reflect their own experience which may or may not be the same like yours. I.e. horny boy who finds you an attractive may perform for you better than the same boy who had already 1- 2 customers that day when another reader took him and was attracted only to his expected tip. Boy who will bottom for somebody smaller sized or repeat customer may be reluctant to do so for new and big sized client. Just recently I exchanged few PM about certain bar boy with another reader and it looks that our experience was very different, hence warning above. Best thing is just go , see who is on offer and pick up best looking from those who are smiling at you

not every male is looking for sex , some actually have it

Aging = moment in which one starts proclaiming " I feel young" / nobody heard 30 y.o. or even better 18 y.o. saying that / Sexpat = person who moved to another country allured by sexual attractiveness and availability of it's residents / in cases mof our readers Thai men /

Nothing silly with your question. Walk slowly along Silom's night market and boys with porn will find you, they don't have stalls just few covers of movies in their hands.

As for Shape spa experience below is my report from Dec 2014 visit copied from my "Off to Thailand again " trip report : "Here are directions how to get there: decamp at Wongwian Yai BTS, take covered walkway to the busy Taksin intersection / 5 mins / there looking south you will notice busy street with two pedestrian overpasses, take either side and walk to the SECOND overpass, just north of it is LG Building. Standing at front of building you will notice parking driveway on the right side , just go and you will see it. DO NOT take driveway at Shell station, that's too far. Few boys outside, very handsome manager at the desk in the lobby and I mean it. Mamasan called over and shows with price list and book with pictures of boys, not wasting time is asking if I'm top or bottom, than we go through pictures , boy selected. Since it's Sunday decided to splurge on 1500, 2 hr scrub / massage / ozone Jacuzzi treatment. They ensured I understand minimum tip of 1000 requirement and were happy I understand. Passable English spoken by all 3 I was dealing with Boy escorting me upstairs to spacious room with separate bathroom, is asking me to take a shower while he picks up supplies and after a while shows stark naked. Certainly they know business and a customer service there and I liked what I saw although boy on younger side , 20 y/o. Everything went according to the scriptures and I had good time and boy a good tip /1500 /. Of course invited him to share Jacuzzi with me , not that he was trying not to. After such a treatment it was easy walk back to BTS. Definitely I'd recommend the place for something out of regular Silom ghetto albeit not really that far – from Sala Daeng 5 BTS stops and 15 minutes walk . I liked their straight questions/answers approach, no BS ' up to you ' "

I'm sorry alkoe but can't help you , I was impressed with everybody in line but focused on three boys only, one I offed 4 nights and took with me to BKK, one hunk with deep voice who I was told is not even going with clients but is always in big cock show and one twink who smiled and me and I smiled at him and finished up with sitting with him for a while until my boy showed up. I generally don't pay attention to numbers, remember some mostly by coincidence only.

Unfortunately is the word. 300 million strong country can't find other suitable candidates for highest position than son and brother of one president and wife of another. An than we will hear sanctimonious admonitions about other dynastic countries from US politicians and media. both Koreas, Cuba, Argentina, Philippines, Syria, Congo,Kenya, Equatorial Guinea and now USA, what a marvelous congregation !

this short spectacle is at 9.p.m. on the dot although on one night when I was there in May for some reason it did not happen, I was waiting in vain in meantime entertained by cruising Oskar's waiter

I'm not surprised, already stated before that I consider their show the best of all I saw in BKK and PTY and I'm not saying that because my 'boyfriend' from last trip is from there. Also boys line up was second best after Tawan for bars I visited in May but fact is I did not visit that many this time

Keep in mind I took boy to Nantra so he did not have any incentive to confabulate about Sunflower but of course he could just pretend he knows while he did not have a clue.

I found most intense selection process at SENSO since lobby is small and boys are literally 2 meters from your face , all hunks , massage always very good there, I was never disappointed

they were teasing you by suggesting you chicken out. Relax and as biguyby suggested , just go, once inside you will not chicken out, you may be overwhelmed at first but curiosity and excitement will take over, guaranteed. If you are after water, Waternest and Shape spa in Thonburi are your best bets. For sauna reviews read Christian blog, address under his post, you will learn plenty about Thailand as well. Forky is right - pick up boy who seem to be interested in you / smiles /.

I'm shocked

I can relate to OP being nervous since I still remember my heart pumping when climbing stairs back in 2001 to my first massage place visited-HIS in the same plaza where ARENA is now. Even now, after 11 trips when entering those places I feel some tingling under the collar. My advice to nervous newbies to BKK male massages will be: - go by BTS to Sala Daeng station and walk length of the right side Silom from beginning at intersection to soi 6, many massage places with boys outside - turn right and walk through soi 6 , still few more massage places as you are walking with even more boys to Suriwong - after 3 minutes you will hit another busy street -Suriwong, turn right, don't cross the street yet - walk along and you will see even more places with boys outside -when you pass Patpong and Patpong 2 on your right start paying attention to the opposite side of Suriwiong , soon you will see sign HOT MALE, BOYS BANGKOK etc , this is famous soi Twilight - cross the street making sure you are not hit by car, remember Thailand drives on the left -enter soi , few meters into soi you will see on your left MAXI restaurant and on your right and across restaurant Bangkok Massage with quite a few boys sitting outside, count your blessings because they will not pay any attention to you, being consumed by watching porn or whatever on their smartphones - have a seat, order drink but not a meal and get adjusted to the sight of massage boys thinking intensively which one you like the best, - even if you don't pick up anybody this gives you necessary nerves calming exercise - if you walk too fast you may stop at another restaurant - Dick's on your right , right after seeing another set of boys sitting at front of Bonny's massage, you may repeat exercise but vantage point is not as good since you will have your drink sitting beside boys , not across the soi from them. Now you should be brave enough to try either one of places you just saw or ones you plan to visit. Both places are not intimidating because technically you are in restaurant not at their place. Having to choose your first boy from the offer can be intimidating as well so if you still scared / nervous my advice would be to try Waternest, Jey Spa or S52 since there you are picking up boys from either smartphone or picture book. Second choice could be Hero, Prince or VClub because boys there are behind the glass wall so not in your face so you will feel a little more secured. You will not see nudity anywhere until you will be in the massage room with the boy who may be naked from the start or may start shedding his clothes gradually. In both places in soi Twilight and at Hero and Prince boys will shower with you so you will have nudity right away which may be good or not good thing depending how nervous still you are. My advice to my friend who will be nervous newbie will be to skip all the above and head straight to Banana Club and ask Kevin, very pleasant and informative owner for Tao. He is well mannered soft spoken gay man with superb massage skills, trained at Wat Po , it shows and feels I haste to add. Can't imagine anybody not being at ease in his presence. Banana Club boys are showering with you as well at both ends of session. Gee, getting hot in here.

1. We had breakfasts somewhere else, usually at Foodland Patpong , so really I did not notice that cafe and can't comment. 2. sign is there but boy from Super A I offed to Nantra Silom told me that there are no problems with visitors at Sunflower and being from bar located 20 meters from hotel I guess he is in good position to know. Room I rented was for use of my quasi boyfriend I brought from Pattaya , I was at Nantra around the corner, I had room fro 4 nights but he slept there only two (alone I hope). 3. I went there couple times to grab him at various times including in the dead of first night and had no problem entering, reception was manned / actually girled that night / 4. no idea as we vacated room after breakfast but they seem to be nice there so I guess with smile you can negotiate later checkout. They even remember to return my 500 key deposit I forgot about and had she not returned it to me I wouldn't recall it likely although chances are my boy would. Hope it helped vinapu

If you are in BKK just go to Tawan and throw your net. If not, just wait impatiently like all of us do when we have trip approaching. Keep in mind recommendations are precious but we need to check by ourselves, sometimes recommended boys are not to our liking, sometimes other way around, boy who we are warned about is becoming our little treasure . I call it joy of discovery. I even had a case described in Nov 2014 trip report when on one night boy was wild tiger and on next became sleepy kitten - I liked both incarnations equally.

I don't know your system but usually I ask boy how much he wants before off so no haggling in the morning , sometimes bit haggling in the bar if boy is clearly too greedy, I don't blame them for trying. Sometimes boy is asking in the bar how much I give them. I like to settle money and time maters / I off long time almost exclusively / up front so no surprises later. Some people just paying what they consider going rate and throw a bit more or not if boy asks for taxi money /for me this is kiss of death as long as that boy is concerned although at times I give them 100 for taxi but not because they ask but because I liked experience/ Surprisingly perhaps I was drawn to # 14 by his hairstyle but liked his personality and huggable body /with 3 offs it goes without saying / , he is one of smaller boys in Tawan

Thanks for warning, your opinion reflects most comments on another forum