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I even know few serious travelers who are placing Grand Palace in the same league of great Asia monuments with Taj Mahal or Borobudur. In order to avoid crowds try to be there when they open at 8.30, before buses with hordes arrive. Past 10 a.m. it may be very difficult to get a glimpse of Emerald Buddha due to crowds. If you want to treat your boy special take him there-you may even be moved by his reaction. Trip from Sathorn pier ( Saphan Taksin BTS station) to Grand Palace (Tha Chang pier) by the boat ( Chao Praya express) is one of cheapest yet memorable Bangkok treats. Admission to the Palace for foreigners is 500 baht but included the same day admission to Vinamek Teak Palace and Throne Hall nearby. Taxi from palace to Vinamek should be 70-80 baht .

20 boys that late -that's good news as usually massage places don't have too many boys available 1-2 hours before closing

No, I'm not American and I'm not coming from tipping culture. I was responding to firecat's musings about forcing himself not to tip more than 10% so gave him idea how to look into issue . I'm not presuming that one should tip but realize that in many places tips are expected from foreigners even if local culture doesn't require to tip. It's why I tip in Thailand, not much as one can see above but still tip. I feel good and recipient I hope too. Agree 100% that Japanese / Pacific system of not tipping is better since doesn't create any obligation as you noted. Probably forcing Japanese non-tipping culture on Americans would be form of imperialism as well. Old enough people remember that 30 years ago prediction was that 21 century will belong to Japan but somehow it did not work.

Thank you firecat, I found it

I'd say only reason to reduce restaurant tip if you wish so would be to consider how much you tip your waiter who spent few minutes to serve you in relation to amount you tip your boy you spent hours and may be night together, even if just being his pillow. personally in restaurants I leave 20 baht note in bill's total is 300 or less, 40 baht if it's more with extra 20 if it crosses 1000 mark and grab all coins for BTS / MRT

still it explains difference in opinions but where aggression is coming from ? all those 'cheap Charlies" and ' you spoil the market by overtiping" . And this is not only this or even gay forums phenomena but seems to be universal right , left and center whenever humanity talks about other people money and spending habits.

Would you or Michael enlighten me where you guys are looking to see those numbers / 87 & 211 /. I feel stupid , illiterate and ugly

I always amazes me how heated people are becoming when discussing other people's money and how they spend it. Every post on tipping on very forum seems always most popular and generates most od what you call mildly 'strong opinions and words" Just an observation

you have a good heart !

I second that, we tip because we want to. It makes us and other side happy. If we don't want , we do not tip or tip very little but unfortunately we need to live with consequences if tip was expected. Sometimes one wonders where complains about slow or unsmiling service are coming from. Even if Thais don't tip we farangs likely are expected to tip I guess and as long as it is not requested we should. For most of us is still token amount and don't have idea why people are spoiling their vacations and stealing their fun from themselves due penny pinching or haggling over few cents worth. I'm not picking up at anybody because I was the same at one, thanks God, short time of my life in my travels and in recollection still feel uneasy over that.

On Agoda sometimes it depends of hotel and price When booking Tarntawan for my incoming trip Agoda had a choice of paying up front but rate was lower or paying later at the hotel with higher rate. Saved aprox 20 / like 1 off fee at Dreamboys those days / by taking up front option. And as a plus you can pay by Paypal so no need to reveal C/C number . For Malaysia it was prepay only , for BBB Inn and Le Café Royale no prepayment was required. I personally don't mean up front payment as it reduces amount of cash I need to carry. Hope one day we will be able to prepay for off fee at Twilight bars or for services of Saranom boys.

http://web.cruisingforsex.com/bb/thailand/340145-bangkok-go-go-boy-bar-update-2.html#post688058

Just today I saw post on CFS forum that this new bar named ZEUS opened in Soi Twilight-any visitors / comments so far . Hopefully one of you local guys will volunteer to inspect premises and reports. Don't feel rushed though. I sense Soi Twilight does not have many fans on our forum here

Thank you for excellent and detailed report , enjoyable to read. Congratulation on your pick, very nice hunk he is. Hope to contribute to this thread in 3 months

Last time when I was requested to wait I found it quite un-romantic but just got an idea that if we need to wait we can always utilize time for some hand holding session with our newly found friend.. Definitely will return thanks to you encouraging post and short video. It looks that extra 500 makes it worth to use VIP room as regular ones used to be quite small.

What is the best time to go there / day of week and time of day / for the best selection of boys and to avoid any wait time? Few years ago I was, or rather boy and me were made waiting for room quite a while so never visited since but next visit is coming due as per my rotation. Is this frequent occurrence or I just had a bad luck? I know you have a lot experience with the place and I subscribe to the common wisdom that they have best looking guys of all massage places.

Eristic and erastic probably means erotic but with soft and small dick

Criticizing somebody's grammar is very un-gentlemanly IMHO. For some of us English may not be even second language / for me for example /, not to mention first. Sure sometimes sentences in the posts are not making much sense but it's the same with speeches of so many prominent politicians, celebrities etc. so we should just to let it go.

You are 125% right with your complain but how much of your 30000 you paid goes actually to the pocket of guy on reception you are dealing with on departure? Pont I'm making is that they are doing their job and my not have any leeway in pricing / charges.

Neither laugh or cry ,just pay. Quite possibly room attendant making 20 baht per hour or less would be charged by management for shortage in case of broken bottle or missing chocolate bar from the fridge. Being nice guy you don't want do this to people who smiled at you nicely every morning, afternoon and evening / and possibly even asked you if you want massage by them in your room /

I don't agree with you Nirish, on more than one occasion, taxi drivers of all people ! in Bangkok either told me to forget about last 5 baht or simply gave me higher change i.e. 20 baht from 100 baht bill on 85 baht fare. /last time in May on Grand Place-Vinamek trip /

for example you don't like coins in your pocket- 18 baht is at least 5 coins a so all this is neat trick by the greedy owner

Forgot to ask: you are picking up masseur from line-up or is assigned for you from rotation?

Thank you for the info, ' pamper place for a good massage ' is what I'm looking for mid-day, special services can wait till evening in the Boyztown. Will definitely visit Magnolia when will be there in Nov.

Exactly, in both US and Canada prices shown are almost always prices before tax so one never pays what is on the price tag but 3-15 % more unfortunately. Logic is that buyer can see how much tax he pays but this is crap-simply prices are looking lower. Petrol in one exception I can think of where you pay what you see. Sad to hear that this BS is creeping in Thailand.