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Alex already helped you , welcome to the forum. Christian has knack for finding out of way interesting places few people visit so if you like Thailand his posts are very informtive.

actually masage place in on one of upper floors, I was passing by few times daily and it was always more than one cuties with flyers at street level, during massage when scratched boy's knee he suggested than he can be available for more for 1000 baht, no reasonable offer refused as they say I agree with neither of us is retard comment , hope you never had any doubts, he, he

Christian just posted a piece about his experience st ThaiBest in his blog

Don't worry , this was not about you. Your question was exactly one the forum is for, keep asking and we will keep responding, check your PM too

In places when boy showers with me it's all clear from the beginning and I have full access to joy of his body, fun starts when either one of us gets I'd say, impatient. In places like Silom ones where I shower alone and boy starts fully dressed and we both pretend it's massage only I wait for signal from him - usually toughing balls or anal area for nanosecond longer than course of massage requires.First time I let it go, after second one I either give some voice signal like mmmmmm or move my hand to tough his leg or hand. Than usually first level of his clothing gets discarded. And whole situation repeats with nanoseconds being longer and longer at each attempt. At times I can feel something hard and warm somewhere on my back , boy not knowing he just earned his extra bonus / if boy gets hard before I tough him I pay 500 extra , I mentioned it before few times / But always I let him to do first step. By time my back is finished he will be usually undressed or in briefs only which I prefer as i find it quite stimulating to try to explore their contents until he sports hardon. After turn over fun starts / gee , getting hot in here, need to open window ./ Bottom line - when I'm on my stomach I let him to take a lead, when I turn over then I become active - sometimes need to slow him down, I like prolonged body contact even more then he likes to see his tip right away. No abrupt changes,I Iike my time with them and take thing slowly I's why I take longer courses, even if we are finished before purchased time elapsed we still cuddle, hug and I listen to their lies how hansum am I and how they like me. In few places / Magnolia, Sawatdee Spa, Scandic on my last trip / boys seemed serious about massage and did not make any sinister moves actively rejecting my wandering hands or skilfully positioning themselves in a way I couldn't tough them. All hope seemed lost but after massage was done they either asked what's next , how I liked their massage or simply moved their nether areas closer to me in a way not leaving any doubt they are for more personal fun. Hope I elaborated enough ChristanPFC, I noticed reading your posts in the past that you are speeding things up finishing boy in 1/2 hr or so, did not want to comment on this as it's none of my business but always thought you are not getting enough bang for your buck. As for pouring oil on body or hands, difference between those two approaches would be level of sophistication behind my comprehension

now we have the same perspective our massage boys have before they start mutilating us

-14 C No, I'm not there unfortunately. It's actually summer in southern hemisphere so they must have around +30 C

May be they think this is way to increase their own self esteem, create illusion of being in control

that's firecat's point, incredible value for money of Bangkok hotel accommodation, once staying in Royal Benja, Sukumvit soi 5 I discovered that room size is minimally smaller than my then condo and this is not even 5 star place

I'd rather see boring posts than none at all, like with any social conversation some boring and repetitive remarks are unavoidable just to keep talk going. Agree that new blood is great asset as it brings new perspective and new threads, as for wackos -ignored long enough they tend to go away or at least turn to be passive readers only. And as always , boring and wacko for some may be novelty and exciting for others. I'm surprised to see in stats that some pretty old posts are still viewed by some daily so obviously there's still value in them

in order to solve this mystery we need some deep pocketed investigative mind who ventures there and find out what they provide for such a charge. Must be some lengthy and luxurious treatment ending with big bang. One thing is sure - it won't be me,

firecat once noticed that is 57 kinds of Campbell soup to cater to all tastes. I'm with Christian when comes to hotel spending frugality but understand other want to treat themselves better than we are. Neither I have problems with others over tipping , over shopping and doing whatever with their money. Thing I don't get, and this in not directed at anybody on this thread and even on this forum, but read this on other places quite often is that at one breath some posters are boosting about staying at , say Dusit Thani and at next breath are pontificating against 30 baht rise in drinks price at soi Twilight whatever bar

Better do market research in advance - not sure travelling through half of the world to get intellectual stimulation in Pattaya would attract many takers. But idea of minimal fee language school is great as it's always nicer to chat a bit before those carnal thingies

Your findings in Silom places are confirming mine . I usually go with long oil courses 1.5 - 2 hrs and they request 1000-1500 ,at times they ask how much I'll give them, sometimes they come with an offer ' this for that much'. I like semi conspiracy atmosphere in those places, adds to the fun. My preference is boy slowly undressing while testing if I'm interested in extras, Best part is one can see who is available as boys are fronting their stores, even if some boys are not my type their smiles always are.

You wrapped it very nicely, that's my experience too. Last year in Bali I was hosted by the couple pretty well off by any standard living in very nice compound and yet they slept on the mat on the floor without even ceiling fan. And disagreement about water temperature in showers many times deprived me this great pleasure of showering together with a boy

Why do you want to waste your time on sleep when you are on vacations and are nicely positioned next to stranger in the bed ? Goes without saying that stranger we talking about is young, willing and able, otherwise what he would be doing in your bed?

We in the West regard many things as essential because we can afford them. If God forbid bad luck strikes plenty of those deemed essentials are becoming non-essentials very fast. Boys are used to live rough at home and while may be impressed with luxuries we are hosting them in they know it's beyond their reach. From my travels I had impression that people from hot climates are less demanding when comes to comfort - may be because they spent much more time outside than those from northern chills.

just go and don't worry about anything, it's not mayhem some Western media are picturing

You wont be disappointed at Hero, just ask mamasan to show you boys with smaller endowment if you are afraid of pain. Don't be shy. No need for Hero mono diet though , quite a few places mentioned above plus Senso, Arena, Adonis and Fan Club in the Silom area have well build boys too. Some boys from Tawan bar will give you very good massage too. And it you stroll through soi Twilight you may fancy some boys from Bangkok Massage or Bonny-they are displaying themselves in front of venues. Best time to choose boys everywhere is when you feel time is right, not when selection is the best IMHO.

I guess I did and I'm very happy with that, boy did his best and did not waste any second so only way of showing my appreciation was extra 500, another 500 his dick earned for him as explained previously. We were in the same VIP room with stone table, did not use it although boy offered this horizontal shower I considered it excessive indulgence. I think regular rooms at 700 / hr are quite adequate but from time to time I like to treat myself with VIP room. And the best VIP room is to be had at Magnolia Spa in Pattaya. I agree best time at Hero is 4-6 p.m. although it is always draw of luck if chemistry between us and our boys will work it's charms or not so no time is really good and bad anywhere.

Cheap Charlie because you are staying at Tarntawan? You cutting yourself short ! What I have to say with my Om Yim , Malaysia or BBB Inn stays? For me is ultimate luxury and if booked in advance room at Tarntawan can be had for even less that 2000 , breakfast for 2 included and I agree location wise is great option. Nothing wrong with staying in luxury hotels but me fear would be if room is too luxurious with beautiful view it may be hard to go out to leave that paradise .

in those days of Photoshops you can add / remove any nationality, gender , garbage in the sand and a bulge size

Welcome to the forum. You right about Hero but this is not only the place to go, rest assured. Even in vicinity you have Banana in the same soi, Uniman in soi 12 and GuySpa in soi 19, just to name few. Hero is staffed by manly boys, no twinks. Ask mamasan who will bottom for you. Don't be shy, he heard this all this before and much more. I'd ask about boy I like if he bottoms instead of just relying on mamasan recommendation as whom to choose - his favourites may not be yours or ask him to show few who may bottom and take your pick. When visiting massage places and bars keep in mind that some manly boys will never admit they can be topped out of manly pride but may change a tune in the privacy of the room providing they like you and size of tip offered. Keep discrete if that will be a case Forget about walk from MBK to Hero, too far for April, BKK hottest month. Take BTS / elevated rail / to Nana station and then walk to Hero or take motorcycle taxi for short hop. Minimum tip at Hero is 1000 for 1 hr. course but if you are looking for full monty service boy will expect more I guess so your estimation looks spot on. Try to send private message to xiluzer who was there few times at end of year and posted extensively in his "December trip " report, he may update you about his tipping there. Don't be offended if he doesn't as tipping seems to generate heated responses and many of us are keeping it private. I paid 2000 tip for 2 hrs. course in VIP room/ wanted to treat myself on the first day / plus gave boy 500 in the beginning ./ my personal bonus system for boys sporting hard before I even tough them which was a case / , I guess I spoiled the boy and market but was spoiled by experience so I guess we all won. Don't worry about repeating questions, congregation here is polite. Your polite part will be to post report of your travails. Keep in mind Songkran is week before Easter, if you coming at that time , come prepared with change od clothes.

you may be right, people on vacation often seem to act like dog liberated from the leash, in particular those who are new to money enabling them to travel abroad and feel free from strictures of life in home country.

Have a safe trip home and good luck with jet lag fighting