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did you notice that actual hole is placed somewhere in the middle of the sea between Africa and Antarctic so nobody would be offended ?

I smell some controversy here but would somebody take mercy and explained to me what the problem is? Certainly suggestion of chill pills was overlooked by some but shoot of straight gin would do a trick I presume.

while I don't see any problems with members using more than one handle I guess Scooby has right to implement his rules as he sees fit. I'd say is posts which are at times offensive , not posters. Firecat is right that this Board is the least moderated for reason that collectively we are behaving ourselves , personal attacks are rare and when they occur are mostly ignored allowing flames to die fast. Opposite opinions are treated as such , not as intended offense, shortly speaking we are acting as boy loving adults , not balding and greying teenagers.

Not defending rude behavior in line at Starbucks but I'd consider inconsiderate if somebody in front of me would be taking time to pick up merchandize while in front of me, may be I'm just impatient ? Not surprised by Chinese night noises. Once in China our long distance bus broke and all passengers were herded to the local school' gym to overnight while waiting for replacement to arrive - did not manage to close eyes whole night because constant loud conversation across the hall, when we tried to ask them to quiet down clearly they did not have an idea what the fuss is all about. So as you said we chalked it off to cultural difference. My personal stereotype - tourists travelling from place to place are much nicer and considerate than those who settle for a week or two in just one place

you forgot to pee on the plane ?

I don't think is any nation which can be called rude when travelling, there are people and people. Generally speaking people in bigger groups tend to behave more loudly and less considerate - this may be source of bashing as Russians tend to arrive in groups. As for your fellow Americans my personal stereotype of them is that they tend to be less visible in non-English speaking countries, I guess shock value of discovery that countries can function with some straight from hell language spoken instead of English. But rude - not known to me at all.

that's very handy, what did you guys drink?

It should work if one encounters bad behaving Russian and calls his behaviour nekul'turnyy, at least worked in Soviet times.

I like his Mona Lisa like smile. Speaking about toothbrush, I don't know about others but I always have supply of new brushes in my room and ask boys to use one in no uncertain terms. Did you manage to hook up with boy you found on the last day of your previous trip and entertained him 3 times in that day if I recall correctly? Sorry for being nosy

Ok, I stand corrected. I had only on encounter with boy with such alignment and they were easily visible and touchable but may be is not always a case. Boy was visibly uncomfortable with my discovery but in order to save his face I told him I'm for massage only and I like kissing boys but don't have sex with them , story he bought with visible relief - I guess he was afraid if pain

First , one must be pretty close to a boy to learn about him having STD. And if you close it's your call how much you want to reveal about people close to you. Venereal warts are easy detectable so no need to warn as one can see and tough possible danger when with boy and made his call as how to proceed. As williewillie noticed , if somebody would be spreading mailcious news on the board I'd immediately suspect sinister motive like revenge and unlikely be deterred from seeing a boy. so while OP question is very interesting and posses real moral dilemma it's pure theory. Follow anonone's advice and assume everybody you are intimate with has STD and protect yourself. And pray that our boys assume and do exactly the same when seeing us.

me too

This is what good people of Georgia and Virginia used to say about slave owners and their slaves but eventually they got over it. I think gay people particularly should be careful with statements like one quoted as there are many places where we are not welcomed. My Pattaya experience is VERY limited but I'm kind of well traveled and never had any problems with Russians so I'm quite amazed and curious to know what they actually doing in PTY to deserve such a scorn. No , I'm not Russian, understand some language and script though, may be that helps to feel easier in their presence. If somebody needs some Russian stereotype from me -here's one : I noticed that when abroad they are reluctant o speak Russian with foreigners, wonder if others noticed the same thing ?

Agree and I'd add that my Pattaya experience is very limited, BKK is generally considered more expensive.

Not Thailand as I hate heat, rest in PM as we don't want derail this thread

I must say this is not my experience, out of 20+ massages I had in Nov only in 3 cases I had money up front request, at Sun beside Tawan and two "straight" massage places on Silom -Relax and Playboys. On another hand request were higher you mentioned - I got them for 1000 , so it looks I had good and bad luck at the same time or may be I look as sucker and boys / successfully / tried their luck with higher amount. In two massage places in Boyztown / Copa and Scandic (now BoysClub) / I was asked to pay tip up front by the mamasan. And so it happened when I offed boy long time from Adonis but boy was given his share of tip by the boss on my watch, I asked up front how much out of requested fee you going to give to a boy. Arena website says hand job is included in minimum tip, they indicate 500 as minimum for 1 hr. course. I fully agree that 1000 for hand job without permission of exploring his body would be generous tip and crappy job for me . On another hand I'd gladly pay for body exploration permit, preferably prolonged to long time. Since your experience is considerable I suspect that boys are assessing their clients up and trying different approach with different clients. When with boy for the first time if they don't mention money and usually they don't I always ask them how much they want, surprisingly many of them instead of usual 'up to you' say "I don't know" . Only one of my Nov boys ,and this was go-go, not masseur , came with straight 3000 answer in the morning after long time off, reading my mind as he was worth that much for me anyways. One of PTY masseurs when investigated long time option suggested price of 5000 , I dismissed it with short 'no' so he halved it immediately, still too much but I agreed- to my disappointment later on.

Nearly 1 week and no report so far, what about some community service?

Great report and great finale, reading about your good bye with Khong I was moved a bit too, funny thing. We all are romantic somewhere deep I guess Very sad news about closing Derby, I liked the place and outstanding massage by Wat. There was boy bar in Walking Street named GUY but closed sometime in Dec, shortly before you arrived. Good thing you offered meals to boys before you took them to hotel, I always do and it's always accepted and appreciated, it costs very little , you show you have a good heart and most important , like every man, hungry boy may became angry boy. Interesting thing -your Magnolia experience - Cambodian boy, great massage and studious avoiding or restricting further body contact after. It mirrors my November experience with both Magnolia and Scandic / now Boys Club / massage Cambodian boys I had massages with and offed long time after. May be it's time to start developing some theory with three statistic samples by two contributors. Wonder what others have to say about massages and afters by straight Cambodians. It's a trend or we both just had a bad luck ? Out of curiosity - which of four places you visited in LOS you would recommend to visit to somebody who has only , say, 1 week and doesn't want to travel between places- BKK, CM, Samui or Pattaya

I'm not sure if I agree with the above, Jealousy may be motivated not by greed but desire to have farang and his time exclusively. I agree it's about control but not necessary control of wallet. And depending on personalities it may suit both parties. The same as above , noting personal in my comment and not even speaking from my personal experience but I'm privy to situation where's no money entered in jealousy equation, just lust and desire to keep hands on. .

good you did not chicken out and decided to go for your friend- merits earned. We are worrying about unruly mobs of Bangkok while real disaster struck at very heart of Pattaya - Boyztown bars closed for the night, this would be disappointment for somebody who came for the weekend or short trip. What about massage places ? blissful - not a bad mood for a vacations

Unfortunately you are right. Simply because scaremongering sells often media exaggerate , particularly when reporting from more known and popular countries. Thank you those present in Bangkok like alexx and Promsak are calming waters on this forum at least. We can't let our boys starve and deprive them latest smartphone models just because we scared by sensation greedy media and have second thought about going to LOS. Tblall73 - can't we hope for some report of your current PTY activities ?

I wonder who pays those bills and who will pay ultimately, obviously whole thing is well financed and this is scary thing.

Very sensible advice and very universal, applies to all countries and all political gatherings when trouble brews..

Warming up here as well , from -20 yesterday went up to -15 right now / all centigrades /

Hope you had a chance for more pleasant encounters with male human forms than Suthep during your short visit.