vinapu

in NOV minimum tip for 1 hr , 700 for 1.5 hr., cost of massage was the same, I doubt it changed

reading last comments I just realized that riding a minibar without permission goes almost hand in hand with underperformance , the same goes with turning TV right after entry. 5 out of 6 boys I was not entirely happy on my last trip did either although the worst one actually did not , compensating for that by staying on the phone most time until I threw him out, still escorting him to the lobby as everybody else

you will like it, it amazing how place which never advertises popular is despite being in remote end od soi with no passing traffic. Start preparing template for your review for us already

I' not an American but in Third World countries I always tip regardless of local custom. In Thailand I have flat rate tip system : bill up 300 - tip 20, 301-600, tip 40, 601-999, tip 60, 1000 and above -100, always have change on me and give tip directly to the waiter, if more then 1 person served, leave tip under the plate. In bars I tip 20 per serving / if with the boy and order drinks for both of us still tip 20 only. if invite boy later to sit with me it will be 20 for my drink and later 20 for boy's/. Like luvthai I don't reduce tip because did not like food, after all who is to blame for that, cook or me , not a waiter.

you pointed to valid problem, cute and handsome does not equate great performance but finding how it will work is what makes boy hunting so exciting. In sex service like in every other job lots of good work is done by the average people, star are shining but not always with warm light.

Don't be too nervous , puzzle will fit together nicely. First if you are bit nervous instead of taxi just walk down the soi, this gives you a chance to cool down a bit. Mid way through the soi it forks, take left fork and keep going almost to the end, Hero will be on your left. There is neon sign. Go inside and you will know how gay section of heaven looks like. Mamasan is the guy in charge of helping you to pick up the right boy, don't look for him , he will find you. Have a sit and keep glancing boys behind the glass making your choice, ask mamasan questions if you have preferences / top, bottom, dick size, quality of massage etc / but use you own eyes and brain first . No shortage of lean muscular boys there. If mamasan helps you you can slips him 50-100 baht tip, if you are making your own choice without his help don't bother, minimum tip for 1 hr course at Hero is 1000 but if you take longer course and /or you are happy with boy tip him more. Last time there I took longer treatment / 2 hr, / in the VIP room, it cost 1500, minimum tip was also 1500, regular room is 700 for 1 hr course. Tipped boy 2500, 2000 for performance +500 for being hard already when undressing / my habitual bonus/ , probably spoiled him and a market with the tip but felt spoiled by his performance too. IF you not into muscular boys don't bother , no twinks at Hero. If for some reason you are not fully happy or just need one more there's Banana club on your way , on the same side of soi. Boys are less hunky , more swimmers built type but massage I had was of superior quality . Let us know how it went at Hero, king of massage places in BKK in opinion of many myself included although is not my first choice, Arena is for historical reason.

take advance of less competition to get access to boys you like but don't skip on tips as boys need them now more then ever with thinner crowds

Since Travellerdave mentioned it I must add that never ever I had anything missing from the room after boys' visit , neither noticed any unwanted activity around my possessions. Not that I create opportunities but always have some money in the pockets and it's always safe. I know not everybody was so lucky but I so far was. Thing I don't like and this creates guarantee that boy will not be offed again is when they help themselves to a contents of minibar without being invited or at least asking it they can. I'm not cheap but believe no thing which is closed in the room should be opened by anybody else than host, window, A/c, Tv and refrigerator included. Yes, tip always in the room and I make sure they know how much they are getting. Talking about feeding them, on the way to the hotel I always ask them if they are hungry and if they are buy them a meal . Never suggest place with other food than they are familiar with. If I don't like their choice just tell them I'm not hungry which is true since I hate heat and loose an appetite in it. It looks from responses that everybody developed some kind of etiquette to deal with our offs.

I'm glad to hear that at least Arena is busy. This is sad observation Michael, I was there exactly at the same time of year to the day and soi was fairly busy all few day I was in BKK. If night market is dead it means not only sex tourists are staying away but conventional crowd as well. Too bad family affairs kept me from visiting in May but hope for December, hell or high water .

While Up2you is on correct side of equation I would not be so sure that service charges are actually sipping into waiters pockets. Depending on size of bill and waiter's smile I'd probably still tip 20-40 baht from time to time but don't feel pressured to do that. Since ChristianPFC is busy settling in the new place I will help him and answer your question for him : no way, never.

I wouldn't be too fast to cross them out just because of negative feedback from others even if warranted as per kalabao post. I visit them on every trip and never was disappointed with boys and service, I like their décor too. I like their boys selection and fact that they present themselves at front which is much less intimidating than going inside and having to make in face decision like in most other places. Even fact that boys seem to be more interested in their phones than passing traffic had advantages as one can pass by without being pestered for accustom like in other places down the soi. But I guess we all have our preferences. Fact that boy was crap doesn't make whole place bad, my worst boy by far and one of the best ever are coming from the same place / Dreamboys / and were offed only few day apart. No I'm not on commission from Bangkok massage but genuinely like the place

as they say ' when a mosquito sits on your balls it's only then you realize using force is not always a best option'

I never give money for taxi even if they ask unless it was agreed in advance. But if happy always invite them for breakfast , my offs are usually long time, can't sleep alone in Thailand for fear of ghosts. If not that happy still escort them to the reception

Perhaps army realizes that in todays world coups are out of fashion and no military government would gain respect of international community unless country wrere be in really big trouble which Thailand thanks God is not / yet ? /

I have two such boys in reserves and call them my consolators, you are right , great bad taste removers and thrilled with income and repeat custom. One even sensed that I'm more sticky than usual and asked ' you no like boy last night?"

I like to follow other's feedback and being contrarian particularly if feedback is not very thrilling I 'd like to check for myself if that's really that bad. Usually it is but on quite a few occasions I found I like places quite a few others don't / BBB Inn, Arena and Dreamboys come to mind /. On another hand to this day I did not get what is so attractive with soi 4 / Balcony, Telephone etc. / others are always raving about so you right , it must be vibes either working for us or not.

May be nobody knows how army will react and this is a reason they stay on the sidelines so far. Coup is the last thing Thailand needs right now, yes it's gridlock but country is not paralyzed and even has time to issue new 500 baht banknote tomorrow. Even sex tourists seem only mildly to be inconvenienced.

Lots of hotels keep boy's ID while he is entertaining you and when he is leaving they will call you from reception to make sure all is Ok before releasing said ID. This is universally praised since makes you feeling more secure. While I like idea, I never sent boy downstairs alone and always escort him to retrieve his document and to the hotel's door at least. This way he can avoid unwelcomed stares and comments form the hotel guests and stuff. Back in 2002 boy I offed had request for a tip when retrieving his ID from reception at Niagara Hotel so I learned my lesson when he complained to me next day and never do this to boys again, even that unique one I threw from the room last Nov. What you do when you send your boy off?

To answer my own question: no, I would not complain to anybody there neither haggle about price reduction / refund, would go away quietly. Would post my experience on the forum with explanation why I 'm not happy including boy's number / name / nick. Yes I would give them another chance in the future as one statistic sample is not basis for developing any theory , would even try the same boy if I liked him originally as we all have bad days sometimes. But would be in no rush to return as I like buttereflying between places and rarely visit the same place more then once in the same trip and if I do it's only to see boy known to me already

Inspired by today's posts by new poster kalabao55 / welcome to the forum ! / in Gay business section. You are visiting massage or bar for the first time steered there by favorable feedback and for some reason you are disappointed with boy, service, whatever. What is your strategy in such a case? Would you complain to somebody in charge, haggle about reducing price or just go away quietly, posting your negative feedback somewhere like forum . Will you give them another chance or swear to never return ? After all somebody before you was happy, it' s likely why you went there, on another hand your experience is not a good one. I'm curious what you guys do , will post my answer separately below

noted, what's the minimum tip?

I feel sorry for all those resident monitor lizzards at Lumpini, with all that crowds and noise I wonder how poor creatures fare.

military intervention would only make sense if would lead to speedy elections / 2 months from the coup max / and guarantee from military that whoever wins will have full backing from army. But this is day dreaming, not only in Thailand. Military tends to screw things up as you can't run country the same way you run armed forces Word from you know who to support elected government and asking for crowds to disperse would help but this is another day dreaming in circumstances. It leaves monetary solution - if economy will start hurting than three's rare chance for big business and Issan farmers to be in the same boat and demand speedy end to all this BS, another day dreaming but most probable and less hurtful in terms of blood shed. After all some deep pockets are financing 6 months of unrest in BKK UN has better things to do that getting involved in internal problems of still fairly stable country IMHO. Michael as an American you may not realize that there are people in the world for whom Sept 11 has completely different meaning that for Americans and rest of world. Those are Chileans , Sept 11-1973 was date of Pinochet's coup.

I wish you luck and please keep us posted , we did not have a trip report for a while. In BKK you never far away from restaurant or street food stand , no matter where you are staying

Democracies are doing exactly of what we electorate want them to do, we are buying things we don't need for money we don't have so why governments should act differently. Whether this is prudent or sustainable is another matter. But it looks that Thailand with her messy politics is in better debt position that countries you named, all matured democracies.