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Love makes us stupid moneywise and you gave good example , 2 drinks at 1000 =2000 , he could have this coyote in his bed likely for that much. On another hand if he run out of money he is not completely hazed in his mind. This is patent I exercise too - go with fixed amount of money and no card on me to guarantee that even if get too crazy will not spend what's allocated for that night. At least you guys showed good heart helping him to overcome shyness a bit

Fate had it that it were my boys both nights who complained about their inability to sleep , not due to noise but because me trying to be too active in the bed to their taste. No more Cambodian boys long time in any Boyztown hotel - this is my New Year resolution. On more serious note this is always trade in- being close to the action and inconvenienced by the said action at the same time. It's why I'm such fan of BBB Inn- quiet place around the corner from Soi Twilight mayhem.

OMG, what kind of vodka it that ? 44 $ per bottle, better check as it must be gold coin inside bottle. Thank for warning about c/c surcharge, obviously 10 %, my friend is flying to Sri Lanka through PEK on Sunday, called him already to have a cash handy on transit there.

No wonder bars there are being closed and boys left to their fate, I'm not better and did not drop by even one when there 2 weeks ago

Nice alternative to crowds at Chatuchak market, 20 km from Swampy look quite affordable by taxi for those without vehicle but like ChristianPFC will find public transport way of getting there

Thank you, actually I put some thought into 3 best section and I'm glad somebody likes it. You will be happy in Sukhumvit area, quite a few nice massage places there if you are interested and not that far from Silom. Night market along Sukhumvit will keep you entertained and if you shopper quite a few very classy shopping centers along BTS line, some direct link to BTS stations so no need even to go to street level. Although I personally like Silom area better, closer to Soi Twilight and to the river and much less farangs parading with Thai 'wives' .

Thank you for nice wrap around various kinds of massages. Looks we are both big fans of massages. Claim about Banana boys being all gay I picked up from some post somewhere or may be nickygaybkk, no idea that is true or not , why I used word apparently . Issue of gay or gay for pay may be important for some but for me personally not at all .In fact I may venture I had more joy with straights with wife and kids on the last trip than with gay boys. It's like straights are trying to perform better and are more forwarding with straight answers : I like this , I don' like that, I do this if you want but prefer not to , this kind of things. As it was said millions times before all boils down to chemistry between two of us, sometimes is apparent from the start, sometimes if surfaces half way through encounter. Eh, those were days !

Don't worry about us, it your vacation after all .But what I noticed posting creates log of vacation activities , handy to bring happy memories later on

I did not have any problem with noise in Boyztown during my stay, neither inside nor outside

You mean Serene, not 'sureen" ? Café Royal may not be shiny new but I liked it and would consider staying there again.

Akbil is gone, now it's called Istanbulcard and looks like credit card but places you can reload it are still called Akbil Dolum. We can only hope one day we will be able to use the same card for all BKK modes of public transport.

stored value cards are really good idea for reasons you described but in BKK of limited use since all modes of transport have own fare structure and Rabbit Card is good for BTS but useless for MRT , BRT busses etc. It's why I did not bother in last few years. I have one from Istanbul where you can use her for everything including intercontinental ferries from Europe to Asia and back.

thank you for update, I did not use regular City link to/from airport this time so was quoting from memory. Rabbitcard is more of value for commuters than tourists but it depends where is one's hotel, even daily card at 130 I found not that great value for touristy needs, for example Sala Daeng to Asoke is 31 baht one way so one needs to travel extensively throughout the day to squeeze value out of daily card. But is handy to beat rush time crowds if front of ticket vending machines , slide card od off you go. BTS is victim it's own success and at evening rush extremely crowded at times - was left at platform to wait for next train on quite of few occasions. To get at rush time from Silom to Sukhumvit or other way nothing beats motorsai as long as one has will in order and funeral expenses / body transportation covered by the insurance. But thrill is better than Las Vegas rollercoasters

avoid connecting through Shanghai, in May I was supposed to pick up my language like at final destination and go thorough boarding process again including immigration. Granted it was well organized and I was escorted through process as I did not have a visa but still nerve wracking experience for 1 hr 40 minutes connection. Only good thing was that I was warned about procedure when boarding originally and even agent asked me question ' where you will be picking up your language" to make sure I understand process. This was Air Canada / Thai connection , both Star alliance so supposed to ne seamless but not at that airport, be warned. Never had issues at Narita / Tokyo but always surprised how crappy duty free shops there are, poor relative to Swampy or Incheon / Seoul/ .

Thank you. I just discovered your blog this morning, I like it and effort you put into it

enjoy while it lasts !

great report and every sentence shows you have a very good time. Great boost to Pattaya economy with all that drinks purchased !

I did not spent much time in Pattaya regretfully but definitely recommend massages at Magnolia and with Wat at Derby Massage , Jomtien complex. Liked show at BBB and line-up of boys at ABomb too

Did you try new Happy Boys massage like you planned on another board?

2 bottles and trying to upload a photo, you are trying too hard, focus on bottles we can wait for a photos

I will. You may be right about boys at Senso, with their prices it may be not enough traffic, I met on eat FanCLUB -former A from Senso now Man / that's his nick / there. I was disappointed as none of three boys I was salivating over their website was available when there but still they had impressive line up - 6 boys only at 4 p.m. all 1 st class look wise. I see some justification for their prices , the same goes with Dreamboys.

Trying to pay back for all info I got from this board over the years when I was reader only. I hope old hands like it but really write with newbies in mind. Traveler by heart I'm always thrilled to compare place I read about with real when finally there. Your standards are very high so thank you for a compliment. I have different method of accounting and spending control though. I count money in the morning when boy left, compare to previous day count - this way I know what I spent, doesn't matter it was beer , pear or condom. When leaving room I have always fixed amount of cash on me- to avoid overspending when excited or losing everything to theft or neglect. In LOS it's 4200 during day, 400 more when hitting bars at night.

Cleanliness was generally very good, in few places / Sun, X-size Massage / showers could be cleaner , I guess I have higher tolerance for dirt backpacking thorough Thirld World countries for most of my vacations during quite a long life. Sheets and towels always clean everywhere - this I'd notice. Arena saw better days but since I like the place I may overlook peeling paint in the lobby. General impression I have is that lower the price , less kempt place is, there's logic in it, right. Notable exception - Bangkok Massage and Magnolia which may be pricey for PTY but not compared to BKK. If tips were discussed it was when boy offered extra and stated price, few times I asked boys how much they want but answer was always expected ''up to you". One of Pattaya massage boys quoted 5000 for long time out of blue, settled fast for half which was too much for PTY but I was kind of salivating over prospective night together and felt generous. Turned out dud with nice body though. Only disagreement over tip was my last night off where boy clearly was expecting more than 3000 offered but I stand my ground. This is my personal max for long time never crossed so far. You are right -stated minimum it's what they universally expect , tested this few times and watched face expression. But if I'm happy I pay more and others should too IMHO specially if full monty is included in the package. Short time with massage boy should be about the same like with go-go. He is not parading in his speedos but works hard for his tip- as noted , not even one massage was 'pat of the cat ' quality. And need to put up with farangs wandering hands too Generally I feel blessed as rarely I have price arguments and only once in 9 trips it turned heated / this trip with one of Dreamboys, details in Off to Thailand thread /. I'm not one of those tourists who are infesting markets all over the world squeezing last halfpenny out of locals for sake of getting best available deal for cola or mango trying to get lowest local price, neither I'm stupid first timer willing to pay $ 4 for banana just because I'm asked. I will follow your Sukhumvit recommendation in future, was in Albury at old soi 11 location few years back and on this trip all 4 places I visited in the area I left smiling and happy. Calvin at Banana is really classy owner - I think he takes good care of his boys. I liked his comment that tip for longer time should be higher to be fair to everybody and when I told him I'm happy with repeat with one of his boys he mused that I should try others too.

If you are sad just imagine how sad was I when boarding plane to return exactly 1 week ago ! But hope of return some day keeps me breathing. As for your question I don 't see any problem as long as they will have boys willing to work together. Some VIP or even ordinary rooms are quite spacious. From what I saw certainly Hero, Magnolia and Magic Hands had rooms spacious enough. But this is question you need to ask directly when there as some boys are not as adventurous. One of my regular boys rejected flat out idea of 4 hands massage even with boy from another place and you don't want to force boys to do things they don't like even if they agree out of need for money as this is not a receipt for good encounter. Showers outside of room exactly mean they possibly you may cross your path with another clients but where's problem? You will be draped in towel anyway and so will them. Likely they saw you in the lobby minutes ago anyways. You will not be showering with them,. Usually if there's congestion boys are keeping their clients in room /cubicle until shower will become available so discretion is maintained somehow. As for your fetish question there's nothing stupid , likely boys saw and heard it all and much more, just ask the boy. I can see they will be happy to trade undies for cash. I'd have pair of new ones just in case they agree right away so you can give them something to were till end of working day. Word of warning-Thai boys are extremely clean so if you are looking for "man scent " on their undies you may arrange for this beforehand so they will wear it for a while. On occasion when I'm getting close to their undies they always and I do it often as I consider boy in undies more sexy than plain naked , their garments smell fresh and clean even at end of day. Your comment just placed UrbanMale on my list of places to visit on my next trip.

You will find BBB quite a normal hotel, just staffed entirely by the men. It's not that sleaze is poking out of every corner there. You will see massage boys in the lobby but for days on you may not to see this farang / Thai boy pair on the corridors or lobby. I found it quite discrete, it's why I love the place. But is good for immersion as Soi Twilight, center of gay Bangkok is just behind the hotel , no need to cross the street even,