vinapu

not only you

That's novelty - going to Pattaya and expect calm and civilisation. We have that at home. I agree that boys we engaged previously are trying to monopolize our custom, no prisoners taken , but look at bright side -they skillfully create an impression that we are such prized possession, which in turn should boost our ego.

why worry ?, everybody passing by Jomtien Complex , or for that matter any area with boys on display looks bit weird

you both can use glass of cold water I suppose

genius !

+1+1+1 Hope menaughty takes your advice seriously My advice for first timers will be go to Arena for start. Has all advantages - close to Silom ghetto, discreet, well staffed, modestly priced and whatever one is looking for, almost guaranteed to deliver. And they likely saw and heard it all . After the experience there one becomes immediately old hands, ready to brave other shops like a pro and even dispense advice here. Menaughty- just go ! There's no visit like first visit, years later you will remember every day clearly

you should not have a problem of spending your small denominations then

I agree with your reasoning but what makes you thinking majority of passengers will be from far away places like Europe or North America ? For millions Singapore is not 'all the way ' it's just Singapore, 2 to 7 hours away. Proletarian ones, Princess out of Miami and Norwegian out of St Juan PR

if only ass, what about chip imbedded instead of old fashioned mook ?

this could be owing to unfamiliarity with currency, masseur could suspect that customer is tricking him with some funny money even if Southern won can be easily and reasonably exchanged in Pattaya. Once boy I offed was complaining that earlier in the bar customer gave him tip in some funny money and had eyes wide opened when I told him that 50 Brunei ringgit is the same like 50 Singapore dollars and instructed him to go to XOne and exchange it into baht easily . Do not assume it's fate of only obscure currencies. For me fall of USD started back in Jun 2006 in small Ukrainian village Khotyn famouse for massive ancient castle. I wanted to buy beautiful, artistic photo of that castle and being short of hryvnya, Ukrainian currency I offered 20 USD note which was even well over what seller wanted. Guy on the market refused to take it and I knew that end of USD is near

my guess will be what is highlighted from your post plus chances are that cruises during poor weather periods may be cheapest. My experience with cruises is very limited , just two , but on both I noticed that people are taking those to be on the ship and bask in it's luxuries ratjher than being interested in any type of land activities be it sightseeing or lazying on the beach. Even in places like Cartagena or Panama only less than half passengers actually left the ship, they were giving us numbers.

perfect for sightseeing and additional incentive to keep one's bed warmed

+1 agree, I had a case when I told guy I can give him 100 $ now or 3500 baht in the morning after I exchange money and he opted for second option. Interestingly another boy from the same bar on the same trip asked me if I can tip him in USD , otherwise in the morning he must go and exchange some baht into it If some member is in Bangkok and is planning trip to Cambodia soon I suggest to contact you and buy those small USD's from you as in Cambodia they are very handy.

I'm glad you said that as I'm of long held opinion that more luxurious, comfortable and providing great view room is , it harder to leave it and go about the city ..................................... not bad idea of stay in in Sapahan Kwai but some people think it's very far from Silom while in fact if all works well all it takes is 20 -25 minutes from Sala Daeng staion to be at Saphan Kwai ....................................... Tawan used to be friendliest bar of them all and it looks so is Atlas

stop that nonsense man!

You right that standing and staring at them would fee awkward then don't do that. There are two ways of doing that: 1/ walk slowly past the shop and if your chosen one is occupied with his phone or whatever just keep going another 100-200 metres , turn back and repeat. If he is still on his phone pat him gently (not on the head as it may be taken as offensive) and when he raises his head just motion to go inside or 2/ just do underscored part right away without bothering with walk and return theatre Few warnings a/ don't feel guilty about choosing whoever you prefer . It's nature of their job and they are used to it b/ don't be surprised if you chosen boy raises he head showing face and it turns out that he is not necessarily one you would choose if you saw him like that in first place . By now you are stuck with him but take a heart, often guys lacking in looks department compensate with skills and manly attributes. In old Freshboys in soi twilight there was older guy who looked outright ugly. That changed drastically when you took him home and he took off his undies c/ at end of day, after 37 trips to Thailand I may say that with certainty - if you engage buy who is not paying attention to you , you are taking chances it will not work as you envisioned. I call it "smile rule" - off or have massage only with guy who smiled at me or at minimum , made lasting eye contact. If he is visibly avoiding it, move on. Exceptions apply but rarely hope it helped

Day when we will use some QR code to transfer money from our phone to boy's is likely coming. I wonder what will happen after somebody somewhere will report that upon returning to his country or even as early as departing Thailand he will be questioned about such payment made at known and flagged venue. Or called to police station for questioning about such payment. There are countries when prostitution per se is legal but engaging services of prostitute or paying for sexual services is not and you may be informed that your country is charging for such offences even if made in countries where it's legal. For AI connecting such dots may be trivial job. So yes, your warning is timely one

there's no thing like real thing so that conversion would be akin to replacing warn bar boy with cold , AI generated pictured. I settle for first option I think. No problem creation such coin and using it but keep in mind that it does not create any additional value, just another name for same old. It's sugar which makes tea sweet , not stirring it

no truer words were ever written here. Since it was on open waters quite possibly it could be legally qualified as piracy

count me in

From my own experience and what I hear from others when comes to compensating boy for travel it's free run all over the place, from guys making very demanding requests all the way down to asking only to pay off fee to the bar and expenses on the tour, which goes without saying. I think Tiny Lao summarized it above the best - getting away from the work and getting paid for that. Expectations and requests may vary depending who initiates an idea, us or boy. If it's his , request may be tempered by that fact , if we want him to go , he may shrewdly milk the situation. I suspect guy like an idea of travelling as it's not an opportunity awarded to them often and may be very reasonable in their expectancies. I liked proposal Pattaya boy made when he suggested I take him to Bangkok for few days: off fee , expenses plus 1000 spending money per day and 3000 per night but only if we sleep together ( he wanted trip that badly that he suggested if I bring other boy he will sleep on the floor, I ended renting cheap room for him in nearby hotel but it was needed only for one night). If somebody asks me what I consider fair for trip of at least 3 days - Long Time fee minus 1000 per day as long-term discount plus of course expenses and off fee. ................. Of course I remember Tiny Lao , every time I pass by he suggests I have drink at his bar and lowers his pants suggesting I place tip there which I usually do. Nice and enthusiastic guy but unfortunately way too diminutive for me to take him home. Because of his tiny frame I'd feel like sleeping with the child even if he must be 30 if not better. ................... Donald is duck name but both American president elect and Polish prime minister both carry it so I guess Nam can be Lao. It's how he introduced himself as "Nam" and it was conformed by another guy who went with us.

Move to next one, never try to throw money at the problem as it must be more than money which is needed. At times boy in question doesn't even know what he wants. If money were only issue , boy simply would ask for more

I read all exchange above with great interest and dose of amazement, only because I found it fascinating how much is going in bar which is usually last on my list to visit ( I made point of visiting every bar at least once every trip) and almost never off from. But I haste to say I know why 25 is so popular as on my last visit he positively stood out not only in my eyes but also in forum member's I was with. It's good we all are able to find our sweet corner among Patpong bars

I'd not assume anything but it would confirm what I heard from boys as well as from local "girl" here where I live - sex has many forms and not all involve intercourse. Hence recent popularity if 'side' position on apps. Girl was the best saying that customer often complain about how bad their wives are that they forget to f***k her and laughed so not sure to what degree she was sincere but i suspect to a great one. Last trip I went to bar hoping guy will be available, He was not , sitting already with customer who was nice enough to let him to come and shake hands with me. And whisper " I see you tonight ". ??????? I thought but went for bar tour only to receive message after perhaps 1 .5 hr " where you are , I'm coming". All client wanted was to get blown by him , did not even care if he hardens or cums , " 1500 of easy money and not first time with him" he said. Certain idiot from this forum carries his stamp collection and offs boys just to see it.

that would made said boy even more bold in his demands , even if bathroom was dirty indeed Id ask to clean but only after boy departed.