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The German owner of Dreamboys/Boysbangkok gave us farang a the flick and raised his prices substantially when he discovered a new market - the emerging Chinese middle class with disposable income. And good luck to him - he's charging what the market is willing to pay, and I would do exactly the same if I were in his position. That's capitalism in action. Although the percentage of the middle class is small compared with the rest of the Chinese population, the sheer number will be enough to sustain him and subsequent owners well into the future. There must be millions of gays looking for something they can't get back home. Numbers will just continue to increase as word gets around in China as to what is available in Soi Twilight. He just happens to be on the right place at the right time; he doesn't give a fuck about how we farang feel about the situation - but why should he? He's out to make money, not friends. Luckily, we still have other areas of Silom where the prices are more reasonable. But should they disappear, I'd gladly go back to Soi Twilight and pay his prices, as they are still way cheaper than I can get in Australia and Japan. Or maybe go to another S.E. Asian country.

Prakanong, you have totally misunderstood my post. I spoke of the EXPECTATION that posts be truthful, not that all posts ARE truthful. If I go to a restaurant, I EXPECT good food, but that doesn't necessarily mean it IS. And no, we shouldn't "gang up on stupid posters, dull posters, posters ...." We have the option to stop reading such posts. A poster does not have to write overly exciting posts or be particularly intelligent in order to post truthfully. That has nothing to do with it. Again, you've missed the point.

I have a regular off in Pattaya - he arrives at 2:30 pm every day and stays with me until about 1:00 am. After going out to dinner we drop into his bar and I pay the off fee and then we go somewhere else. The bar knows they'll get a regular income from me for the duration of my stay and with all my regulars over the years, they have never once suggested I buy a drink. It's simply a case of paying the cashier the off fee every night; I usually just hand the money to the boy and he goes inside and pays it. If I were going into a bar looking for a guy, of course I'd buy a drink or two.

" Bars that cater to a niche market like the Sunee bars will probably die off as their punters die off in the next five years or so or run off to Cambodia or South America where such exotic offerings are still available at a cheaper price." I don't think the Sunee bars will die off, as there is another generation coming up behind us to replace us. There is no way I could enjoy sex with a young, hot handsome guy who is well-hung and has a body to die for in Australia. I could in Japan, but the cost for a good time is astronomical compared to what is available in the Sunee bars. The younger generation will also find that when they become older, and so will gravitate towards Thailand and other S.E. Asian countries. I don't know about South America - it's on my to do list - but I do think many will indeed head off to Cambodia. On my recent trip to Phnom Penh I visited the Hatha Khmer massage place every night and had a fantastic time with number 27. In the hour or so I spent with him on each occasion, I topped him, he topped me, we 69'ed and finished with a mutual chuck wow, all for $20!!! Try doing that in Thailand for 700 baht. FatRichard, I like your idea regarding how the bigger gogo bars might survive into the future - sounds like a lot of fun - but I wouldn't hold my breath. The bars haven't really changed since I first went to Soi Twilight back in 1992, and the show at Adam's Apple in Chiang Mai was exactly the same as the one I saw every night back in 2012. Bar owners seem to lack a bit of imagination, or maybe they don't see the need to change anything as they see each visitor as a first- timer. Or they just don't care. The gogo bars will survive as is well into the future, as they have now been discovered by the Chinese gays who are willing to pay anything if they can see something not available to them back home. In Soi Twilight, they have virtually replaced us. I'll only pay 380 baht for a drink if there is a show on, but because nothing has changed I'm bored shitless with it all. Thank god the Chinese haven't yet discovered Soi 6! BTW I don't post my trip reports here, as I feel they may be too graphic ( as was suggested on the other board) for members' tastes.

Vinapu wrote: "I think it was you who while ago reported on SGT theft in one of massage places near Tukcom and some posters were trying to floor you by putting blame on you for being careless. Am I right or dementia is setting in ? " No, you haven't got old timers disease...yet. Lol One poster suggested i hadn't even taken my watch to the massage place- that I'd left it back at the hotel and I would surely find it if I looked hard enough! When Neal got involved it became quite a saga...haha. But in that case, I guess I WAS careless but that doesn't excuse what happened. Anyway, I cheered myself up by going out and buying a new one! These days I only wear cheap watches when I travel - I learnt my lesson fast. I admit to being naive when it comes to the Asian boys...far too trusting. In Japan crime is not a problem so it's easy to become complacent when visiting other countries. But in all my years travelling it's the one and only time I've had something stolen - apart from being pick pocketed on the baht bus by a gang of women. If anything, this thread, as others have pointed out, reminds us of the need to be vigilant.

Prakanong, on 19 Oct 2014 - 11:37 PM, said: I'd be very careful about making statements like that unless you're very sure of the veracity of all your past, present and future posts, and that they meet the high standards that members of this board deserve. Lol Prakanong, all of my posts, be they last, present or future are open to the scrutiny of all members of the boards I post on - just like the OP's post, funnily enough! The high standard I mentioned refers to the expectation that posters do not make things up. That's surely the least we can expect from our fellow members. If we take the stance that it doesn't really matter if a post is truthful or just pure BS the credibility of the board flies out the window. That was my issue with Michael. And no, Michael, I'm not upset with you; just expressing an opinion.

I was born in Australia but moved to Japan when I was 13. I've spent most of my life in Japan, having gone to high school and university in Tokyo and working there. We went there on account of my father's job. Now I move backwards and forwards between the two countries when I'm not travelling. I moved back to Australia in 2003 after I took early retirement. Now I live in Melbourne, Sydney and Mandurah which is south of Perth. I don't like to stay in one place too long - I've been travelling since I was 8. Although I have an Australian passport I consider Japan to be my home. It's the place I get homesick for.

"'m not sure what it is that comewhatmay has done that is so offensive to deserve this kind of bullying. " By refusing to name the guy, whose alleged actions would have extremely serious consequences if the farang didn't pay up, he has impugned ALL the guys on GR. That's what is "offensive." And there is no "bullying" involved,only repeated (and still ignored) requests for him to post the obvious - the details of the guy involved. If the story were true, then that would serve 2 purposes- it would make his post a lot more credible and warn potential clients to steer clear. If true, then this guy is dangerous. And Michael, I'm astonished that the veracity, or lack thereof, of a post on this board is of little concern to you. Surely members deserve a higher standard than that.

sawatdeenetwork.com - Global Forum - 24 Kaikan, Shinjuku, Tokyo. In the same forum I also did a trip report in May when I visited Shinjuku nichome with a farang friend. I was brought up in Tokyo but had never been there before - I go to other gay establishments in Tokyo with my Japanese friends. It was quite an eye-opener and reflects your own experience there. To me, racism involves hate. The Japanese don't hate westerners. However, by and large, they don't speak English. Plus they tend to be shy around foreigners and can connect much easily with their own without any hassles. Japanese culture has very strict guidelines which everyone adheres to. They fear a foreigner will not be aware of these guidelines and, in any case, they will not be able to communicate with them should they breech etiquette or any of the rules. I saw one foreigner enter the locker area without removing his shoes,and another inside the sauna walking around in the toilet slippers! It's just all too hard for them. So they decide to stick with each other. Racism is not a part of this decision. I hope you head off soon on another gay adventure. I'm looking forward to more posts!

Just a couple of points about Japan, a subject I know quite well. First, the OP's observations were, by and large, spot on and equate to my own experiences. However I think Tokyo is cheaper than Paris or London. If you know where to go you'll find food and clothing in particular very cheap. Visitors wouldn't know where to go so end up paying higher prices. Drinks and transport can be expensive but, as the OP correctly pointed out, invest in a Japan Railpass - it's the bargain of the century. Regarding the temples in Kyoto, I can understand exactly where the OP is coming from. However, there is a way to enjoy the temples without being templed out. The technique is to choose temples / places which are unlike each other; e.g. I'd recommend visiting Kiyomizudera, Kinkakuji, Ryoanji, Nijo Castle and Ginkakuji. Each is different architecturally. Finally, one point I totally disagree with the OP on - Japanese guys preferring other Japanese guys is definitely not racist in the true sense of that word, just like farang preferring Asians is not racist. It's a choice based on race, but racism to me implies something very nasty and demeaning. There are reasons why Japanese prefer each other which I posted on another forum so will not bother repeating here.

"If nothing else, I hope this topic accomplishes one thing - that from now on if someone wants to post about a "bad boy," then if he doesn't want these kinds of responses, either back up the story or keep it to yourself." Agree 100%. When I had a watch stolen from a massage place near Tukom, I posted about the event in full detail and mentioned the name of the place. I was criticised by some for doing so, but it turns out I wasn't the only person to have something stolen from there. I hope by naming the place those who read my post stayed away or, at least knew to be very careful about their possessions. If I had just written that the watch was stolen from some massage establishment near Tukom, then all massage places would have come under suspicion, which is unfair. If the OP's story is to be believed (which it isn't!) then it could be any guy on Gayromeo - they are all potential suspects. All are tarred with the same brush and that is unacceptable. From posts on this board it would seem that the guys do not get involved in such shenanigans.

Firecat, I just love your posts of real boys, especially when they're naked and lying on the stomach, waiting fir some action! I especially liked the one with the tube of KY. was that a before or after pic?? Lol Sorry to hear about your injury. Hope it doesn't prevent you from your impending travels. And please, please keep posting pics!

I've been sitting back quietly reading this trip report and have thoroughly enjoyed every post - entertaining, very informative and well-written. Thanks for taking the time to share your Sexperiences.

"I left town feeling really good because I made him so happy" That's what it's really all about. It's a very important part of the overall experience.

I'm sort of with Vinapu on this - if he was so much fun in bed, I'd probably just pay, as long as I also liked his personality. On another forum I wrote about an incident last week in Bali with a boy who asked for more money after one encounter than I usually gave him. I normally paid him the equivalent of $30 but this time he demanded an extra $10. When I said no, he flatly refused to leave my room! It was an absolute nightmare. So in the end I just walked out and went off to the bank but when I got back he was still there, stubbornly refusing to leave. So I called the cleaner to come and make up my room and told her to lock the door when she left. I then went downstairs and hid by the pool until he eventually had to leave. That's one reason I don't like internet sites; at least with a bar you have some comeback if the guy misbehaves. Btw Firecat, I'm liking your taste in guys,especially the last guy posted above. Yummo!

Hi, anonone, Nice post. Just wondering - is he the same boy I met down at the beach with you-know-who?? Lucky you! Enjoy the experience!

"Both sides are doing their part " I think this is the key to having a good time with the guys. I always have at the back if my mind the fact that we are each playing a role; I'm always aware that he's working, although I try not to think about it and enjoy the "boyfriend" experience. It's really a bit of fantasy for me and part of the boy's job is to maintain that fantasy. Having a regular guy day after day means he can relax, especially as it's not just a quick fuck or whatever; we actually spend time together doing other things. And I always let him decide what to do, where to go, which restaurant to eat at, etc,etc. I think this is very important, as it gives him a bit of "power" in the relationship,something these boys normally don't have - they are at the beck and call of the farangs most of the time. I also like to surprise the guy every now and then with some unexpected treat, not because I have to - he's already being extremely well recompensed- but because I like to see his face light up when he's happy. That makes me happy, so we are both winners.

Yes, that us always difficult. But I can go back whenever I want - I just need a break from all the sex and the unhealthy late night lifestyle - and I know he'll be waiting for me. At least I hope so; it's one of the reasons I treat him so well. (Having written that, I just realised I'm in Bali at the moment living a very unhealthy late night lifestyle. So perhaps I just need a break from the guy...hehe) But at the end of the day, he's a working boy. I know where I stand with him, and he knows exactly where he stands with me. I've only ever had 3 steady guys over all the years, and they were always waiting for me when I arrived back in Pattaya. But if a farang lavishes more money on them, I'm pretty sure I know what they'd do if we were both in town at the same time.

Now that you know who is no longer sitting out on the verandah of the Ambiance, it is also back on my list. Ok, it's not 5 star but the rooms were nice enough - only used for sex and sleeping- and it was always very clean. The staff there were very nice,too and I was not particularly bothered by any noise from the soi. Others, apparently, have been bothered by that. All in all, it's definitely a place I always enjoyed staying at. Sure, some hotels may be "boy friendly" but some of us are concerned about bringing back a guy and having to endure the derisive stares of the other guests, especially when in the elevator. I imagine the boy would feel uncomfortable, too. Staying at a specifically gay hotel solves that problem.

I found out a couple of years ago when I met Jack from Eros that if you are lucky enough to find a guy of BF quality, it makes life so much easier. No more running around, you have a known quantity, you get to know each other very well, and everything just goes smoothly all the time. The hardest part, of course, is finding the guy in the first place.

"In the end, if boys have no customers, it's their wrong choice of place and time of work." Some boys have no choice, Christian. And they can't always "find work elsewhere."

It's low season and heaps of boys are basically going hungry. They are literally living day to day and don't know where their next meal is coming from. Call a few boys over to sit with you, buy them some drinks and give them a tip at the end. They'll really appreciate it. The other night one boy begged me to chuck wow him but I said "no." He then got in the ear of the guy I was sitting with -he's his friend-and asked him to persuade me to chuck wow him. So I did. Suddenly all the boys sitting around waiting for customers lined up in front of me! I got them to sit with me and we had a great time drinking and chatting. Normally I only sit with one guy and give him my full attention but now I like the idea of bringing lots of guys over for a small party. At the end I just give them each a 200 baht tip, which is fair enough as they sit with me for quite a long time and their cocks are always on offer - literally in my face...hehe. I don't buy a bottle if whiskey like some farang do, as the boys tend to get shit-faced pretty quickly. It would end up a lot cheaper but even though the boys can have as many drinks as they want, none of them goes overboard and gets totally smashed. It's just a really happy atmosphere and everybody wins. What really amazes me is how the boys just can't seem to keep their hands off their cocks, even when just sitting around talking. I told them I didn't care if they were hard or soft but they can't help themselves...hehe. It also amazes me that 10 minutes after I chuck wow a guy, he's back for more! Also, although a lot of these boys are 100% straight they seem to enjoy touching each other and like watching a guy being chuck wowed. One boy I was "servicing" was really in the moment - head back, eyes closed, mouth open and saying "see-ow maak" when another boy suddenly tweeted his nipple and he immediately lost his hard-on. He's totally straight yet can get it up for me at the drop of a hat. Amazing Thailand. Amazing guys. As others have pointed out here, what's nothing to us can mean they can at least eat. (What we pay for a night in a hotel can be half of what they pay in a month for a room.) It also gives them some incentive to come to work. Many turn up every night but don't have any customers, which would be pretty demoralising, I think. Also, some of the less attractive guys must never get offed or invited to sit with a customer. What would that do to their self-esteem? So let's buy them a drink, too! It's a good idea to put ourselves in their place every now and then and try to imagine what it must be like to walk around with an empty wallet and an empty stomach and, for some, to feel unwanted.

If you are arriving in the afternoon and feel the need to release all that built-up tension, don't forget the newly renovated Golden Cock. It caters for frisky farangs looking for sex in the afternoon. Opens at 1:00 from memory. Walk down Suriwongse Street with Soi Twilight at your back, turn left down the soi just after the Tarntawan Hotel. Tawan muscle bar will be on your right as you walk down the soi. (Give the massage place opposite a miss). Turn right at the first corner where the Mango restaurant is, and Golden Cock is on your left. Further down the soi, on your right is the infamous Natureboy. Great if you love total sleaze. Basically, anything goes.

Well, you wouldn't read about it! Just got back from Eros and it was standing room only! Hard to find a seat and the bar was full of boys. The big boss is in town, so that May have something to do with it. Just goes to show, things change on a day by day basis.

"As for the device, I didn't know they sold dildos in Tuk Com? Is this something new?" Lol But of course I insist that he pay for the batteries himself! Tonight we did our usual and went to Central Festival for dinner. I always let him choose the restaurant. I just wish he'd choose Thai for once! He's always hesitant to order, even though I said he could have whatever he wants. I know some guys would probably think "Farang is paying" and then go ahead and order the most expensive thing on the menu. I remember once, on our way to the hotel, I went with a guy into Familymart and said if he wanted something I'd buy it for him. Next minute he turns up at the register with a basket loaded with all kinds of goodies, from toiletries to food. This was the first time I'd offed him so I was a bit surprised. I smiled and said nothing, as it was my own fault after all. I don't like being so blatantly taken advantage of. We then went to AIS because he wanted a SIM card. He never asked me to buy it for him and, in fact, said for me to wait outside. I was able to resist the urge to pay for it. I'm really proud of myself! And of him.