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If you prepare properly before you bottom, there's no need to worry about cleanliness up there. That's where the butt hose comes in handy. Make sure you go to the toilet at least three hours before you bottom. Then before you get onto the bed for sex, go sit on the toilet and squirt water up your bum and expel it until it's clean. Four our five times does the trick. You'll never have to worry about cleanliness again.

I'm top and bottom. Depends on what mood I'm in. Sometimes I do both in one session. I use KY. I've never had a problem regarding cleanliness with a guy who bottoms. They know a cock is going up there and so clean themselves accordingly. Having a shower is not sufficient ; that's where the bum hose comes in handy.

You're right, Bob. Getting transport into town by tuk-tuk is near impossible, even during the day . Sometimes you can find one outside the Mercure Hotel. If not, be prepared was long wait on the main road.

Location, location, location. That's what you're paying for as the hotel itself is nothing special. But it's right opposite Adam's Apple and that's probably why they can charge so much.

Bkkjf....wrote: "but I think that they have an arrangement with The Ambiance to take a room upstairs." I think this is correct. When I took a guy back to my room at the Ambiance last month, we ran into one of the waiters from Boyzboyzboyz in the corridor. He was with a girl who had offed him and they were using the room next to mine.

Vinapu, unfortunately I am under no llusion. I tip extra if the guy makes a real effort and doesn't just go through the motions. Even more is given if he does something special which I didn't ask for - rimming, for example. The guy at Narcissus did all of the above but went even further - he made me feel as though he was making love to me. Now, that's special!

I've never been told what to tip at Narcissus. The only place that has happened at was Bonnys in Soi Twilight. When I first came to Thailand I had no idea what to pay, so was giving the guys 3000 baht for short time - I forget what year it was but it was probably around 2004. Needless to say, I was very popular!....lol

Try a guy called Ten (Tew on the website) at Narcissus - he'll make all your dreams come true! I wrote a report on SGT about him. He's awesome!

Most of the guys there are fem, but they seem to have new guys turning up all the time. I have never seen any masculine guys working there, and I used to go there every night. The owner - Marc - is very friendly.

I stayed at the Ambiance in July. I didn't have a problem with the noise, but then again, I was out until around 2 am every night. The last night I came back early but even then, I had no problems sleeping. I did, however, hear the guy at Boyzboyzboyz - "Mr too big, too long "- beating his cock on the drum around 1:30 am. The WiFi was great and the only women I saw - 2 in all - were taken back to the hotel for a shag. It's definitely a gay hotel.

I achieved that permanent financial independence at a relatively young age, but it came out of tragic circumstances. Sometimes I regret giving up work and if I had my time over, I'd probably soldier on, especially as I loved my job. I simply found it too difficult to continue after what happened. My job involved periods of intense concentration and I could no longer do that. If you retire young, you must have a hobby or some kind of interest to give purpose to your life and a reason to get out of bed in the morning. My only interests were work and sex. When I retired, I only had sex left, which is why I was so happy to discover Thailand and its sexual delights. But after three or four weeks, I've had enough and need to come home to recuperate! And, of course, finding things to keep me interested in Thailand between the sex sessions is hard. I find the days very boring, especially in Pattaya and Chiang Mai. Yet no sooner do I get home than I start planning the next trip.

Vinapu, I'd love to nail him, but he's way out of my league. But he's definitely worth my going out of my way to drop in to Pattaya to admire him from afar. Oh, and he's top only, but his cock is much too big for me. You'd have to be a proverbial "power bottom" to handle him, and I'm not that. I just hope he's still there. So many guys you see one trip have disappeared from sight the next time you visit.

I took early retirement to pursue a life of leisure and pleasure. In the early days I travelled back and forth to Japan and Europe. Then I discovered the delights of Thailand and now I'm travelling there 4 times a year. It used to be for 3 weeks at a time but these days I tend to spend a week or so in Cambodia before heading off to Thailand. Living in Australia makes it an easy trip. I'd hate to have to fly in from America or Europe. Next month in giving Thailand a miss in favour of Budapest and Prague - any info on those places would be highly appreciated - but I'll probably end up spending a week in Pattaya on the way home. I've just got to get another look at number 77 in Boyzboyzboyz. I can't get him out of my head!

"intetested"? Hell, yeah! I've loved reading your reports. And I'm fascinated with the arrangement you made with your guy. Like others perhaps, I'd find it extremely awkward and so wouldn't be able to do that, but good on you! You basically got what you wanted and it seemed to work out well with you. Spending 24 hours a day with a guy would drive me nuts, as I value time alone. What would you have done if the guy turned out to be incompatible? That would be a worry for me, too. I think I'll just stick to my QBFE but I admire you for doing something different.

Lol

I enjoy a QBFE - a quasi boyfriend experience...lol. I spend my holiday with the same guy every time I go to Pattaya. We meet at 2:30pm and he goes back to his room at around 1 or 2 in the morning. And I think that's why we never have any problems. We don't spend the entire holiday together. He needs time apart and so do I. I think if we lived together it might be different. I met him by chance. I'd offed a guy from Eros and the next night I was sitting in a beer bar and he came up to say hello. He had this really handsome guy with him. I just knew he was the one. Next night I went back to Eros and there he was! Unfortunately, he was sitting with a customer, but as soon as he left I called him over. And surprise surprise! He turned out to be hung like a donkey! We chatted for quite a while in the bar and I just loved his personality. Unlike many of the other guys in Eros, he was quiet and reserved. I sat there holding his cock, actually feeling a little guilty. Should I be doing this, I thought. I offed him and the rest is history. At first he was very shy (still is) and although we talked a lot he never spoke much about himself. He always seemed guarded. Now he tells me everything - including stuff I'd rather be didn't...lol. He's completely open about everything and is a great conversationalist. He's also very knowledgeable about what's going on in the world and often surprises me with what he knows....and sometimes what he doesn't know! After all this time we still have lots of things to talk about. Luckily, his English is quite good. He's a veteran of the bar scene - he's worked at a number of bars over the years - so I find his insight into what goes on there fascinating. And he's told me some interesting things about some of the more weird customers he's had over the years. Anonone, are you still with that cute guy? I'm guessing you probably are.

No, Natureboy opens at 8pm. Is been a bit hit and miss over the past few trips; sometimes you'll find around 8 guys, other times just 2 or 3. Sometimes a farang offs all the guys for an orgy. I'd love to be a fly on the wall! Lol The 2 Vietnamese beauties - brothers - have moved on. The real cutie - you'd LOVE him, he's gorgeous - now works as a waiter at Freshboys . The older brother I'm not sure about. He was in Scorpion one night back in January as I recall, but I don't remember seeing him in April. Both are not offable. The one who works in Freshboys is sitting on a goldmine. Either he doesn't know it, or he just wants to be able to sit down once in a while...lol. I once toyed with the idea of taking him to Japan with me - he would make an absolute fortune as a model. He's what we call "cho -kawaii" in Japanese. OMG! He's unbelievable!

I posted about my last trip to Bangkok on another forum. I met a Cambodian guy who is hung like a donkey in a Soi Twilight bar. Back in January I met a cute guy in Screwboys but he wasn't there in April. I'd give Golden Cock a miss as there aren't many boys there in the afternoon. In any case, a farang comes in and they all go and sit with him at the bar and you are left sitting all by yourself. However, there is one guy called Pan who often works there. He's cute and a lot of fun. I know your preference so Natureboys may be a disappointment - all very masculine guys, some of whom look a bit rough. But if it's hands -on fun you want and are ok with the type of boys available, then drop in and look for a guy called Mai. He's a real handful, if you get my drift. And a nice guy, too. He'll have his hand up your shorts in no time! Super A, which is on the way to Natureboy - on the left down a short soi just before Golden Cock - is also hands on. There were a couple of guys you would like working there back in April. Plenty of cock on display.

Or try Nature boy in Bangkok. They have experience in bukkake, Or Good boys in Pattaya. Anything goes in that bar!

Yes, the $20 was the boy's tip. The massage cost $10, although once they tried to charge me $15! Nothing like trying to rip off a regular customer! What's wrong with these guys? They have no idea how to run a business.

Nice report. I certainly won't be going there. As Vinapu suggests, you may have just scored the wrong guy, but I'm not willing to risk wasting my time. I had a similar experience at Indra(?) massage opposite Tawan. The boy wouldn't do anything sexual. His excuse? "I man. I not gay." And I couldn't even choose my masseur - he was assigned to me. There were more handsome guys I would have chosen over him. WTF is a guy like that doing working in a male massage joint? Also in Chiang Mai last month I went to 2 Brothers massage and the guy I chose was reluctant to do anything - no suck, no fuck, only chuck. The next day I returned but this time chose another guy who was more amenable. To the horror of the first guy, I took the second boy upstairs every day for a week. The first guy could have made a lot of money had he played his cards right. I've often thought that Thai boys have no business sense at all.

I'm with you, Vinapu, when it comes to haggling. I'll haggle to bring the price down but will then pay something in between what he asked for and what I said I'd pay. That way, we are both winners and no one loses face. For me, that's always the name of the game. For example, in Phnom Penh, the first tuk tuk I took (!) asked for $4 to go from my hotel to the riverside. I beat him down to $2 but actually paid him $3, so be both went away happy. Or sometimes I negotiate a lower price but then give him a tip.

Because, as a local, he earns less than you.

I wasn't thinking of gogo bars being established in neighbouring countries - they are aware of Thailand's sleazy reputation and I don't think they want to go down that track. But lots of fun can be had in Cambodia in the massage places.

"Boys from Issan are my personal preference." Mine, too! I also get the feeling that all non-Thais are on that list. I am white-skinned and have a bit of money to splash around when I'm there, so perhaps I'm just tolerated because of that. It's hard to know what they are thinking, but I sometimes feel they consider themselves superior. I hope I'm wrong.