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"He's only been in Pattaya for two weeks having been in Bangkok training in various forms of massage." Sounds like Ten, my favourite masseur at Narcissus. But he's been there for a number of years. Mind you, they often tell you a little white lie. There was one guy working at Narcissus who also told me he'd only been in Pattaya for two weeks. But he hadn't; I'd offed him a few times the previous year when he was working at a gogo bar in Boyztown. But as long as they provide good service, I couldn't care less how long they've been there.

Alkoe, how about going one further and offing number 77? Then I can look forward to a report! If he's any good I'll off him every night on my upcoming trip. He's a god!

I visited Boyzboyzboyz around July this year and posted on another forum that I thought number 77 looked like an axe murderer. But I must say he's the most handsome, gorgeous axe murderer I've ever laid eyes on. Oh, and I was also impressed by his massive piece of Isaan meat! I wonder if he's still there? In one of the cock shows the boys wear masks. Why?? It just spoils everything. (Not that I spend a lot of time looking at their faces!)

Dreamboys usually sets the standard in the Soi, not X-boys, so I wouldn't be surprised if they charge even more for drinks. I guess off fees will also rise accordingly, along with the "suggested" tip for the guys. Where will it all end?

That would have to be first time "Pattaya" and "charm" have ever appeared in the same sentence. Lol

I have two questions, but please don't think I'm criticising you. Far from it; I'm just curious, that's all. You said you spat or swallowed. Are you not concerned about contracting an STD? I know the risk is not that big, but still...... I've always been fascinated by the fact that some gay guys love ladyboys. I just wonder what the attraction is, as I have no interest in women as sex partners. Why not have sex with a real woman? Just wondering.....

I would, too!!

I don't see it as a con at all. These guys are free agents and can charge whatever the market will bear. I just made a post about a guy who appears in a photo in the thread on Dreamboys in the Thailand Business forum. I offed him many times when I first went to Bangkok back in the early 2000s. In those days, he asked for 3000 short time and I paid it, thinking that was the going rate. Of course, it was more than double, as I later found out. But did he con me? I don't think so. If a customer is willing to pay - and I actually thought I was getting value for money - then why not? After all, it was my decision to pay. When I first saw him naked back in the room, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Christ, I would have paid double! Regarding that 1200 tip, I've spoken to lots of gogo boys about the Chinese over the past couple of years, ever since they took over the market. Not one has ever had a good thing to say about them, even though most of the boys had never had a Chinese customer. But word gets around from those who have. They all complain that they are very poor tippers. I agree with you that there is a minimum tip expected by the guys. And some obviously don't need the money, or are not that desperate. It's why when, at the end of the evening when they still haven't been offed, they'd rather go home alone than accept a lesser amount. The Thai way of doing business mystifies me. In other countries prices fall when business is slow, but in Thailand the exact opposite happens. I was in Dreamboys earlier this month and the place was practically deserted. At the end of the evening all the guys were still on stage. Yet the owner was still charging 450 baht for a drink and the waiters were still telling us it was 2000 short time. They are doing the guys a huge disservice by scaring potential customers away. If drinks were cheaper between shows, more customers would have a guy sit with them and the chances for offs would skyrocket. The bar would make more money from drinks and earn more from off fees. But no. This is Thailand. I give up!

I suggest we pass the hat around for Paul. I've got a feeling drinks for the "special event" will go through the 500 baht mark - and probably stay there! BTW I spotted the photo of Jackinlove in the OP. I offed him many times around 2004 - maybe earlier. He was still at Dreamboys last year I think it was. And he hadn't changed a bit. Didn't look a day older and still had his swimmers physique. Oh, and FYI, he's hung like a donkey!

Bring it on, ladygaygay!

Brall3, I'm guessing those Asian customers were given the royal treatment because they either give big tips or are regular customers, or both. Having said that, I've noticed over the years how mobile phones have taken over the guys' lives and they seem more interested in them than they are in the customers. If I go into a gogo bar or massage place and the guys don't make eye contact or smile at me, I figure they are not all that interested in doing business with me so don't bother wasting their time. If they're not interested in me before I off them, how much more interested will they be back in the room? As for the stories about big tips they have received from other customers, I generally don't believe it. They just say that hoping you will match it. Not that I blame them; I'd do the same if the shoe were on the other foot. You only need one customer to pay up and you are already ahead.

I guess tip the cleaning staff because I see them so often during my stay, whereas I don't have anything to do with the other people you mentioned. But you're right - a tip doesn't necessarily mean they do a better job. And I forgot about the 300 baht minimum wage, so no, it wouldn't take them a month. My mistake. Tipping has always been a difficult issue for me, as I grew up in a country where tipping is unheard of. I remember when I first went to Hong Kong. The first morning I went down to the restaurant for breakfast and got great servuce. The second morning the waiters completely ignored me. WTF?? So I asked a fellow guest what was going on. It was because I hadn't tipped them the day before. He told me what the appropriate tip was, so I promptly doubled it. From then on, I was treated like royalty. Because of that experience, I now tip generously if I am in a situation where I want to be well treated. And it works every time. I look at it this way : I do not consider myself to be a rich person rolling in money. What I do know is that, like many (most?) others here, I am doing ok and I have more money than these guys could ever dream of. So why not spread a bit of it about? 100 baht is nothing but it is a meaningful sum for many of the locals. If someone goes beyond the call of duty to make me really happy, then that 300 baht tip is, I'm sure, much appreciated. It's doubled his daily pay. Next time I go back, I know I'll be well treated and he'll get another, albeit smaller, tip from me. We are both winners and to me, that's what is all about. I don't want to be in a situation where I'm the only one who walks away with a smile on his face. That's hardly fair. But I'm not a charity. If someone is going to get a tip from me, they have to do something to earn it. That's why the mama-sans get nothing. I'm also not one of those farangs who goes into a bar and just throws his money around. The boys see such farangs as basically stupid, although, of course, they are more than willing to benefit from such stupidity. On a number of occasions I've seen customers throw handfuls of money onto the stage and then watch as the boys all pounce on it. How degrading. Where do they think they are? In a zoo feeding starving animals? And while I'm on my soapbox, I also hate those farang who flaunt their wealth in front of the boys, taking out their phones to show them photos of their house, car, etc. Look at me! I've got all this money and you don't! How pathetic. Don't they ever take into account how the boys must feel?

Check with the staff? Christ, they'll tell you anything to get you into the bar.

Re: tips, apart from the guys I sleep with, I always make sure I tip the two guys at Tarntawan who check the id cards, as well as the doorman, who is really friendly and helpful. Cleaning staff also get a tip every day. Boy, I'd hate to do their job! And hotel staff don't get paid much. If they knew what we tip the guys we take back to our room every night they'd be horrified. It's probably the equivalent of a month's wages for them! In restaurants I always tip the waiters if I find them attractive - the more handsome, the more I tend to tip. If he smiles and is very friendly, the tip increases accordingly. In bars I tend to give the mama-sans short shrift. To get a tip from me, first I'd have to call them over and then they'd have to be really helpful. But usually I don't believe a word of what they say when they tell me things like :" He do everything." I'll get that info from the boy. Much more reliable. If a guy is great on bed I'll give far more than the minimum tip in order to show my appreciation for a job well done. That way, we are both happy. If he doesn't perform, he gets the minimum.

"...horny at non-standard hours"....??? I don't have standard hours; Im horny 24/7! Lol

Firecat, as I wrote on another forum, I found Bali hard work compared to Thailand - what place isn't? - but you're an old hand at this game and would have no trouble finding suitable companions. Like Nirish, you probably have the golden touch, which I don't. Plus, you are both adept at using the social media apps to find hook-ups, which I'm not. I'm looking forward to your reports as I'm interested to see if your experiences are closer to mine or Nirish 's. I think I already know the answer. Enjoy!

I stayed at the Tarntawan earlier this month. I passed those massage places every day and always thought they only offered legitimate services, depite getting the come-on from some really cute guys. Coming back late one night from the bars, the massage place had closed but all the masseurs are sitting outside, dressed in civvies, chatting and drinking. As I walked past, suddenly I heard :"Young boy. You want young boy?" It was one of the masseurs. I turned around and saw two guys - early teens - standing on the curb. The next day I saw the same two guys standing outside, but this time they were wearing their uniforms. Are they employing underrate guys?? Any thoughts of visiting went straight out the window.

When I was in Freshboys earlier this month there were only a couple of customers. The guys started moving towards me and the mama-san asked me which guy I wanted. Even though I insisted I was just looking, he brought a guy over, so promptly day down next to me. I politely asked him to leave, only to have the mama-san bring over another. Times are tough for the bars at the moment and everyone is getting desperate. If they had any common sense, they'd lower the price of drinks as that would encourage all the tourists sitting in the beer bars to come inside and have a drink. Maybe some would then ask a guy to sit with them and buy them a drink. Who knows - some guys may even get offed. I'm not a drinker, but I know I'd much rather have a beer whilst looking at guys in their underwear, rather than sitting outside watching other tourists walk by. I'm more than willing to pay more for my drink, but 350 baht is way over the top when they don't have a show. The bars have got their price structure all wrong and have no idea how to make a baht. They want the few customers who do step inside to make up the revenue lost from those who decide to stay outside. Crazy. And whall, I know it's early days, but how did your experience with the Thai guy compare with those college guys?

I find mooks a turn-off. The cock is a thing of beauty and should always be in its natural state. Same with public hair. Having said that, I offed a guy from Boyzboyzboyz earlier this year who had one. I wanted him to top me with his impressive member. He assured me that a mook wouldn't make the experience painful -and he was right. But still, I didn't really like looking at it. I also offed a guy from there who turned out to have a silicone cock! Yuk! That's why I prefer to see the cock, either in a show or when he comes and sits with me, just to make sure all is natural down there.

Mmmm......I never thought of that. It is certainly something that has to be "taught" as I found it a difficult skill to master. I was in high school when I first tried to top a fellow student. Needless to say, all didn't go well. We tried over and over again and I eventually managed to top him in the end, so to speak. But it was hard work for him. Of only they had a course on how to bottom in the Sex Ed class! It would have saved us a lot of heartache!

Go on! Take the plunge! You'll never look back (unless he's doing you doggy -style.) It took most of my life before I let a guy take the plunge, and I regret not doing it a lot earlier. Once you get used to it, it's awesome. You get to enjoy the other 50% of gay sex you've been missing out on all these years.

Hi, Marco, I'm really enjoying your reports! Could you do me a favour? Next time you are in Boyzboyzboyz, let me know if number 77 is still working there. And you're right about the food at the Ambiance - their larb is to die for!

"Hopefully you are kind and console your friends whose obligations don't allow them to go with you and don't make them feel bad for breaking your heart. Afterwards, allow your heart to fill with joy at the perspective of going away into the world completely free." Yeah, I look after my friends. I paid for my friend to travel to Japan and China with me last year. He'd just gone through a break-up with his long term partner and was feeling pretty depressed. He'd always wanted to see Japan but never had the chance because his partner wasn't interested. Needless to say, he absolutely loved Japan, and not just the gay sauna and bars we visited. And, of course, the shopping in Japan is amazing - being gay, we fit the stereotype. Lol. He came back to Australia with a huge smile on his face, so I definitely got value for money! And if I want to do something that some of my friends feel they can't really afford, well I'll just pay for them so we can have a great time together, no problem. Life's too short to miss out on anything, IMHO.

Bottoming is not for everyone, although I think you need to persevere, as it gets better the more experience you have. My first few times were not particularly pleasurable, but I decided to hang in there, as I knew how much the guys I topped enjoyed it. I thought there had to be something in it, otherwise we would all be tops. I only became a bottom last year and it has some added benefits, aside from feeling good. I can now off any hot guy I like in a gogo bar and it doesn't matter whether he is top or bottom - I'm assured of having a good time. I can often top and bottom in the one session. What's not to like? I don't think it's unusual for a bottom not to get hard while being funked; usually I can't because I'm concentrating on bottoming. But not being able to get hard for other sexual fun would be a bit of a worry. No offence, but maybe he's just not into you. (No pun intended)

I retired in my early fifties and the problem I found was that I was spending a lot of time alone, as my friends were all still working and so weren't able to travel with me. I got used to travelling alone and now I prefer it that way. Last year I invited a friend to travel to Japan and China with me. Although he's a good friend and we had a great time, sometimes I just wanted to be by myself. Another problem is that now that my friends have retired, some of them don't have enough money to do things with me; others have the funds but are too cautious and are reluctant to spend. I don't know why -they can't take it with them. Thankfully, some have now loosened the purse-strings and we are enjoying life to the full. But I'll still travel alone.