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Aside from what we all THINK we know about the law the one thing that we can all agree on I'm sure is that we all could do without the hassle and shame of a wrongly made accusation ) or conviction based on the whole "twink" thing - and for those that say the onus is on the police etc to prove the guys are under 18 etc have a read at the following article which involves a guy who lives not 20 miles from my house and who's life was ripped apart by this very topic - it makes sobering reading and is a place that none of us I'm sure would ever want to find ourselves - especially after doing nothing wrong or illegal ! Have a read..... ( and apologies in advance for the length, I was going to post a hyper link but it wouldnt work - and as the article is 100% about the topic we're speaking of I felt it was worth copy and pasting for those that are interested ....... "I've been spat at, suspended from work and forced to come out...my life is in tatters; CHILD PORN CLAIMS HELLSocial worker Mike tells of ordeal after false allegations by policeSocial worker Mike tells of ordeal after false allegations by police." EXCLUSIVE BY JILLY BEATTIE AN innocent man wrongly accused by police of making and storing child porn on his computer has told how his life has been left devastated since his arrest two years ago. Social worker Mike Whitla was found not guilty at the Crown Court 10 days ago of 15 charges brought against him by the PSNI. After a forensic investigator delved into his computer files and discovered he could not have committed the alleged offences, the prosecution failed to offer any evidence against him. The judge ordered the jury to return a not guilty verdict on each charge. But the fall-out from the investigation created a living nightmare for Mike, from Bangor, Co Down, that has not ended with the court verdict. He has revealed how he was: Suspended from his work with vulnerable children Forced to come out as a gay man Abandoned by almost all of his friends, and Spat on in a shop. Mike has also revealed how he slumped into serious depression, twice tried to take his own life, and wrote suicide notes to the only five people he still trusted in the world. The 34-year-old said he now wants other people to know how he fell foul of the law despite doing nothing wrong. Mike added: "I was able to prove I had done nothing but my life is still in tatters and somehow I'll have to rebuild it. "At least now I know who my real friends are and I can go forward from here. But it broke me and I'll never be the same again." Mike had been a social worker for 10 years, mainly at the Lakewood Residential Care Centre for at-risk young people in Bangor, when his life was catapulted into turmoil. DEDICATED He said: "I was very privileged to have a safe and loving childhood and family. "My entire working life had been dedicated to protecting and helping young people who weren't as fortunate as me. "So when I was accused of having indecent images of children I nearly collapsed. "Not only is that not part of my personality, the very essence of my career is about protecting people, not hurting them or putting them at risk." Mike was at home with his mother Aubreen when 12 officers arrived at the door with a search warrant in October 2013. They searched every piece of furniture in the home, every room, the attic, sheds and a garage and took computers and phones. Mike added: "I was sure they had the wrong house so I kept asking them what they were looking for. "When they eventually told me I helped them gather everything up. "I'd no problem with the search really because I'd nothing to hide. They said they'd had a complaint and if I'd done nothing wrong, I'd nothing to worry about." But Mike, who had not come out to his mother at the time, had not realised his occasional searches on an over-18 gay website had triggered advert pop-ups that automatically stored deep in his computer. And seven months after the PSNI raid he got the worst news of his life when the police mistook them for child porn. Mike was arrested by two officers at his home, questioned and charged at Bangor PSNI station with making and storing 71 images of children, ranging in seriousness from grade one to five. He said: "To be honest I thought the officers were coming to give me my computer back and apologise for the confusion. They looked so grim. "Then they said they were arresting me on child porn charges. I knew there had to be mistake and I got a solicitor to meet me at the station. "But when she came back into the interview suite after being shown the images, her face was pale. "In that second I knew something was seriously wrong but I couldn't work out what it was. "I could see my life tumbling into chaos and I didn't know what to do. I kept asking to see the images because there had to be some explanation for them and after a while the officers agreed to show me the grade five image. "I braced myself. I knew from my work with troubled and vulnerable young people that typical grade five images involved abusers with babies. "I felt sick. There was no way, just no way. But still, these men were police officers and they had said they had a picture." The officer flipped a page to show Mike a picture of a semi-naked young man. Hugely relieved, he told police the image was of a "twink". Mike said: "I'd never seen it before but it was a twink - that's gay slang for a feminine man over 18. "The officers hadn't a clue what I was talking about. "I said he was about 24 and they laughed. They said the picture was of a boy of 13 and that I was going to court where the jury will agree he was a child." The word twink is used in gay lingo to refer to a man aged between 18 and the early-20s who has certain characteristics such as an effeminate manner, a slim build and no body or facial hair, which all contribute to a youthful look. And all 71 of the images found on the computer were of twinks. Mike added: "I was released on police bail. "In desperation I had to come out to my mum and family. "Then I had to find someone who could examine the images the police had found and show they were not of my making - and more importantly that they were not of children. I'd no idea where to start and really fell into a complete mental breakdown where I started to doubt myself and my sanity. "I got so sick I planned my suicide. "Fortunately I failed twice and in the end I turned to the Rainbow Project and broke down in their office and told them what I was going through. "They were amazing and said they would support me all the way. While my solicitor got a forensic computer expert to analyse the police evidence, the Rainbow Project set up a presentation for my solicitor and barrister to explain the sort of language used in the gay scene including twink. "I think if one of the officers who arrested me had been a gay man I'd never have been put through this nightmare. "But they live in a different social world to me." After 20 months of hell, two suicide attempts, the loss of his job, friends and his social life, Mike was given some hope. The computer expert discovered the 71 images found in the police search were in fact ads featuring men aged 18 and over. And he also found Mike had neither looked for the images, uploaded, seen or knowingly stored them. On April 28 at Belfast Crown Court, Judge Grant directed the jury to return not guilty verdicts on each of the 15 charges of child porn. Mike said: "The judge said I was free to go without a stain on my character and I walked away afraid that I was dreaming." RUINED But he added he has been left "in limbo" with his life ruined by the false claims. He said: "My reputation is ruined.The justice system must learn from this so no one is put in this position again. "If it had not been for my mum Aubreen, my brother Richard and his wife Suzie, and my friends Marcus and Georgie, I'd probably be dead by now."

Simple answer yes they can if they really feel the urge to look. If some customs officer happens to click on "pictures" and the folder contains nothing much I'm guessing he'll wave you on, HOWEVER be assured if something sparked the Governments interest not only could they delve further than you'd every imagine into your iPad but also into your entire life and your entire browsing history and downloads over years etc etc, but assuming you've nothing to SHOULDNT be there I wouldn't worry too much. Why not upload everything to "the cloud" and save ALL your pics ( and email and everything else from your normal everyday life" to there, that then will speed up your iPad and also mean that you've nothing "saved" on it and you can clear your pics gallery before heading off, knowing that everything is still there and saved for you on your return - and also MUCH better for you if you ever loose your iPad or it fails as you won't then loose all your data - I assume you're also "backing up" your stuff too occasionally as you go or have your iPad set to do that automatically to the cloud perhaps ?? If not you REALLY should. Hope that helps.

So, listed in no particular order and perhaps a little more tongue in cheek than was intended by the OP, but they ARE songs that remind me of gay Thailand ( and some a sure sign that I'm probably drinking in the wrong bars most of the time !) Probably THE most annoying song I hear in thailand - or maybe I just hate it that much I notice it more..... Closely followed by a song so often murdered by SO many farang in way too many karaoke bars at 3am ( Including myself of course when mao :-) Ha when I first arrived in Thailand I thought I'd found my ideal Thai partner who just seemed to "get me" as he could even tell me what songs suited me to sing and what I'd like and I was SO impressed at his international knowledge of such music - until I quickly realised that it seems that ALL farang, when drunk all sing the same shit songs and Thai's have been forced to listen to them for the last 40 years and know I and hate them) better than we do !! Another Thai classic that I normally hear and always brings a smile to my face at least once a week during my June and July trips...... Moving on to an ACTUAL Thai song, I like this one ( just generally) and always get the signer in the cabaret bar next door to DJ Station to sing it for me at least once each trip, where he makes a point of thanking me for picking a nice Thai song for him for a change ! Oh and we cant of course forget that Pattaya classic that we all love / hate so much ! And finally ( and one meant in a genuine and most respectful way) a "song ?' / music that I really like to hear when at the cinema which once I hear it instantly tells me that I can relax for my holiday as I'm in Thailand ( and reminds me to quickly stand up in case I get too relaxed enjoying it and stay seated by mistake !)

I'm just still wondering why we're not to call what is obviously a group of trip reports a trip report ? Welcome though they are none the less of course....

Welcome to the board Homtom, your posts are being well received, do free free to post and chat away just as often you feel the urge. One tip that might be useful for you - if you find it tiresome or it takes a long time to type out posts ( for whatever reason even that you just want to go do something else in between typing) a quick and simple method is sometimes to type your post onto a word document, then you can save it as you go and spell check it and things as you go - also it avoids that annoying "timing out" issue where you can loose everything you've just sat and typed ( we've all been there !). Then once you're happy with your post and it's all complete just copy and paste across into the posting box here and you're good to go - saves a lot of stress that way :-) Looking forward to your next posts just whenever you feel in the mood.

T'is Thailand and is Eros we're talking about, so what stopped you !? :-)

Short of that being by choice I would have to ask WHY NOT, I mean hell Christian you moved to Thailand for the hot guys I'm sure rather than great job prospects so when in rome and all that......you've lived there a long time now Christian, time marches on and you're not getting any younger so what are you waiting for, get stuck in there and enjoy the smorsasbord of hot sexual opportunities for all that Bkk etc has to offer surely - no ??

Well a gentleman never tells of course, so, seeing as how that totally rules me out then .....so, where to begin..... So, after a very drunken night out in a late night karaoke club with a regular Thai "friend" we ended up joining in the company of 4 other thai's and all ended up having one hell of a night out with them all, both in the club and thereafter. So without going into ALL the details so there was me, suddenly thrust into an unexpected 6 sum ( although are random 6sums EVER expected i wonder!?) with myself, 3 gay guys, a ladyboy and a ( hot) straight guy all ( well the gay guys anyway) laying naked and lubed across my (very large) bed in Mosiak, I mean it IS Pattaya so what's a guy to do, it would be rude not to ! So during a leisurely three hour fuck fest and after my happily fucking my way across and through the line up of gay guys who were all taking turns at fucking the shit out of each other too in between times, as I fucked across the line and over to the last gay guy I found myself right up close and personal and parallel with the lady boy on her back and the straight guy who was ( very impressively if I may say) fucking her too. Actually my own thrusts ended up falling into a (somewhat purposefully) almost perfect rhythm with the straight guys as we both fucked our respective partners and he and I actually ended up gently rubbing each others shoulder and back in gentle encouragement as we both shagged away together in unison - which was all strangely as hot as hell for some reason. So, that was all fine and I did suggest to the straight guy that he might like to try to swap sides for an evening but he was having none of it. So, off he went to the bathroom as I finished up, however a little later and a bit out of boredom and a bit out of sheer "ah why the hell not I'm in Pattaya" I progressed on across the line up and slid on over to the lady boy, which which she was certainly up for, although I did notice that she was perhaps just a little more hesitant than she had been when getting nailed by the straight guy but I just that put down to him just being an overall better shag than I was of course but she still seemed to enjoy herself none the less. So, I carried on for a bit and after a while the straight guy returned from the bathroom and I did notice him closely watching us as I shagged her and I assumed he was getting off on that in some way so I carried on for a while longer. So, when we were done the ladyboy got up and went off to the bathroom and when cleaned up both she and the straight guy got up and left ( with a genuinely small tip of thanks from me for the nights overall entertainment) - only for one of the gay guys to THEN tell me that ACTUALLY the straight guy was the ladyboys full on and genuine long term boyfriend and that they'd only been out together for a night out and certainly hadn't intended to join us or get caught up in our company and he certainly had never intended his girlfriend to get nailed as he nipped out to the toilet by some bloody farang !! OOPS !! Ha but thankfully as this did all happen in Pattaya I'm sure that a) the straight guy got over the annoyance of watching his GF getting fucked after about 10 minutes flat and or enjoyed watching and b) they probably DID know what was going down all along anyway, either way I'm still here to tell the tale so no face was lost and no harm was done and a good night was had by all - well, most certainly by me :-)

Did I miss something ? "Multiple members" - wow, must have been one hell of a punch up ( over nothing I assume as usual :-) - aren't we getting a little over protective perhaps, surely we're all adults here and not beyond sticking up for ourselves without teacher having to step in to defend us - no ??

And hard all night too it seems but ......( ok go on, cue the 'oh that would be NO problem to me brigade", you know you're all busting to ! :-)

I find a swift slap of their bollox with a loud "FUCKING MOVE OVER WOULD YOU" often moves them fast enough, tis my bed so "I" get the 75% thank you very much - plus inevitably I'm usually about 4 sizes larger than any Thai guy so it seems only fair to me - and at the risk of sounding like Latin......if they don't like it there's always the floor, they're free to use it ! Steal my money - maybe and silly me for leaving it out - but steal my bed and ruin MY nights sleep - never ! :-) I am half joking above as of course just as you've said they are experts at the steal the bed routine ( I guess they spend so long in other guys beds they build up the back for it !) - I've actually seem myself being pushed to the 15% of what's left of the bed, only for my then to have to get out of one side and go around the other and get back in again - and MOST frustratingly only for the buggers to slide back over to that new side and start all over again ! HMMMM, now that I think about it perhaps they're trying to tell me something lol

OMG no, not in my parents house as my mother was VERY strict about such things and she made it very clear that there was to be no jerking off in front of cameras or otherwise until I'd finished dinner AND had cleared my plate, yes, she was very strict about that - and indeed insisted on those rules until I was at least 21, whereupon she did lighten up a LITTLE bit ( bit only mainly about the clearing the plate part not the timings - a strict religious and moral upbringing I had thats for sure.

What time was this at roughly ? I only ask as sometimes I see people saying "I walked through sunee at 5pm and it was dead" and I think to myself "well what did you expect as the bars aren't open yet by then?" but I'm guessing as you already stated "last night" that you mean much later, which if true is sad in itself :-(

Just lets not talk about that apprentice Judas who went along with the Romans campaign to instigate a fair staff minimum wage policy, where he reported his boss Jesus just in order to collect the Romans 30 pieces of silver - and MAN those Romans must have really taken workers rights seriously in those days as I heard that they really crucified that guy Jesus over that ! :-)

Yep, cause it's not like Thai boys have ever been known to tell us what they think we want to hear :-) Which is why when we've our backs turned we find they've several thai fuck buddies / REAL BF's ,,,,, and good luck to them for playing us in such a way if we're daft enough to believe them sometimes ......

"Same as if I said, "black people are rapist criminals and the scourge of society", now that would be racist." Or, if you changed Black for Mexican there's a possibility that you might then even get elected as the next President of the United States of America it seems !

^ and also if you honestly believed the guy had a million of disposable income that he could afford to lose to blackmail I think i would definitely think twice about trying to blackmail him at all as if he'd THAT sort of money and was in Thailand i'm sure you wouldn't be walking about to long to either spend his money or send pics anywhere ! * ps it goes without saying the whole blackmailing thing is a disgusting idea anyway, but I'm sure we're all taking that in the wide exaggeration that it was intended - if not - read the above and think twice about it before sending any dodgy text messages to random arabs perhaps lol

I'm assuming you watch sites like that with your own camera turned off ( or taped over even better !) as SO many of those sites ( or the people logging in to them ) are now using sites like that to rip off people video feeds who show on them, only for those same people to then find their clips of themselves "performing" all over porn sites on the net on numerous sex websites in no time. I was about to say personally I think I'd be safe enough as I'm guessing NO ONE would want to watch a video like THAT as sexy it is not I'm guessing ! However looking at some of the weird shit that's on the internet and what some people obviously ARE into I guess there's no accounting for taste and accordingly no guarantees about that of that either ! Ahhhh I see the poster above just beat me too it with a tale outling EXACTLY what I was referring to. Jerk off on cam AYOR it seems these days !

Ha, I too went on that same trip and got the same story re would I like to buy stuff for the school etc and of course like a newbie sucker I said yes - so away we went to the school ( next door to the shop from what I can recall) and duly handed over the stuff i'd bought to the teacher right in front of all the politely lined up young pupils - only for her to instantly turn and hand them back to some guy, who then proceeded to take them right back out the back door again and back into the shop, all ready to be re-sold to the next sucker who came along lol. At the time I thought "well fuck that, I've just been well scammed" however the more I thought about it I came to the conclusion that it was just a very efficient way of ( hopefully the school) making some much needed funds as I'm guessing there's only so many actual books and pencils that they need, DID they DO also need money just to pay their teacher etc so the revolving school items trick was just a good way for them to generate cash! So, being the positive thinking person I am I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt and have always since assumed that my money did in deed go to a good cause - OR someone went to a LOT of trouble setting up a fake school and roping in a few kids to sit and look like pupils to really coin it in from us idiot tourists ( probably the more likely story :-) but either way for all the little amount I'm sure I spent was it was was very worth it just to learn that little bit more of life experience.

I"m sure that fella Jesus will be livid that after 2000 years people are still attributing some of his best lines to his underlings - especially when this was him giving the big finale to his "Sermon on the Mount" gig, Matthew alas was merely reporting on JC's alleged comments - but as most of it probably never "actually" happened anyway The good news is that I doubt Jesus will sue.

Is that "fifth"!by any chance ? :-)

One would assume that but on asking for that very thing once ( more to see what they would say and see how it all worked ) I was hurriedly shoved away from the guys stand and told in no uncertain manner that it was illegal to see Thai driving licences in Thailand and that NO, they didn't do that and that I should "go away now". However when I explained I meant a British Driving Licence then the full thai smile returned and I was ushered back to the stand with a "no problem" and handed a book with ( absolutely perfect) licence and ID copies from it seemed just about every other Country in the world ! I was quoted 1000 baht and told to give my details and it would be ready ( I think he said) within 24 hours. For the record I did decline his kind offer as my enquiry was more just for nosiness sake rather than any underhand purpose. However I am of course aware that I was a farang asking the question and i'm sure you're quite right that there's a healthy supply like in fake Thai ID's also as it would be silly to assume otherwise in this day and age.

"Or if Mosaik would gets beds that don't mimic concrete......." Well now I know I've said this before as I was told it before both by customers AND management of the hotel that they had invested in farang style beds i.e. much softer than usual. I had requested one of these myself ( with great dramatics as I know the staff well there )but when I got to my room still the old bed, I moaned and was assured it would be changed the next day, however as I found myself "busy" in the room a lot both in the mornings getting up late with company and then again each time they (genuinely) tried to deliver the new bed I think both they and I just gave up on the idea after a few days ! I DID see them physically delivering new beds in the door of the hotel from a truck on my last visit so I don't doubt they have updated their stock, so I do think it's a matter now of TELLING ( not asking) them to be sure they swap the bed in your room over to a softer bed rather than just accepting what you're given - be interesting to see if anyone else can concur that they ARE actually using that new stock now and it is indeed a bit softer as there's only one thing I want hard when I'm in Pattaya and it's not usually my bed !! :-)