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  1. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 3 Bangkok I am beginning to feel like I am following in the footsteps of @FunFifties. Not quite sure at my age I have the stamina to keep up, but so far am certainly giving it a good old college try. lol. Up early, had breakfast at the hotel buffet with my overnight guest, sent him on his way home in a taxi to change for work, and went back to sleep for a couple of hours. Staying out until 1am is way past my normal bedtime, not to mention the exercise that was generated upon our return to the hotel room. After being lazy most of the morning, decided to schedule an appointment at Prestige for an afternoon massage. Since I have been there before on my last trip in August 2024, I sort of knew what to expect. Depending on who you get, I think it is a case of your mileage may vary. Made the reservation via LINE and decided to go for a 2 hour aromatic. Gave them a short list of four therapists I was interested in, and one was available at 2pm. Prestige is just around the corner from Ibis and takes about 5-10 minutes to walk there. Took a shower and was ready to leave the hotel when I received a message on the app for a possible meet up this evening. Unlike the first two, this one was MB wanting to know if I was interested in a massage. Now, mind you, I was just about ready to leave for a massage a Prestige, but I thought…why not. Go for it. So I did! I scheduled to meet him in the lobby of the hotel at 6:30pm. Meanwhile, off to Prestige I go. Massage itself was very good. I like this shop for several reasons…newer facility, elevator, usually a good to great massage, plus the chance of extra services. Something about the will it/won’t it happen game just intrigues me. After about one hour into the massage, I noticed he had positioned my hands on the table in a way that he could rub up against them. Ok, that’s a good sign. Then some light touches in strategic places when doing the upper, inner thigh and glutes. Time for the turn over. By this time I was in full salute, so he asked if I would like some special service. Of course I said yes and the fun began. The next 45 minutes were pure bliss and there was very little left untouched. I am normally not a very vocal person, but at one point he had to tell me to quiet down. lol. I had selected the 2 hour aromatic massage which is 1690 Baht. Special service request was 2000 Baht, but I was in such a state of ecstasy that I gave him 3000 Baht! At the conclusion we showered together before I made the 10 minute walk back to Ibis. That would give me about two hours to recover before round 2. After such an amazing afternoon, my evening appointment was more of a letdown. Nice enough guy, but a bit older than I would normally entertain. He came prepared with all the necessary equipment, but I was just so wiped out from the afternoon experience and just not into it as much. My stamina is not as strong or virile as @FunFifties, I guess. The massage was just a little over an hour and I was ready for it to end. Exhausted and just wanted to chill out quietly. This one only asked for 1500 Baht, so not a huge cash drain I guess. Not sure what tomorrow will bring. Have to see how I am feeling in the morning and what my mood is. Happy to share the name of the therapist at Prestige privately if anyone is interested. May be seeing him one more time before my adventures north on the bus tour.
    19 points
  2. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 4 Bangkok - Part 1 There is a massage shop called The Master Gallery that isn’t located anywhere near other shops or what one could consider the gay area of Bangkok. It is kind of out of the way and not near BTS or subway. To be honest, I don’t even recall how I learned about this shop. But, I have been receiving their updates via LINE and there was one therapist that I really fell in love with just from the photo. Found their twitter account and even more photos of this adorable young man. I have probably been dreaming about him obsessively for over a year. I was warned on the forum by @vinapu not to get my hopes up on any one specific therapist because they come and go for many various reasons. About two months ago his photo disappeared from their LINE and nothing new on twitter, either. My heart sank. I resigned myself to the fact I had missed out on this opportunity by distance and timing. Oh well, I’ll get over it. Then, recently I came across the name of another massage shop called Men Care. I don’t remember where I read about it, but most likely it was mentioned by someone on this forum. In checking them out I discovered they have three locations, with one in Sathorn area about 45 minutes walk from the Ibis Silom. Too far for me to walk, so took Grab there and back. This particular shop is near the Ibis Sathorn and actually inside Tivoli Hotel for those of you familiar with the area. Anyway, I started receiving their LINE updates and also checked online to see if they had a website (Facebook & Instagram) and a twitter/X account. While scrolling through the twitter account, it seems they have a relatively new addition to their staff. And, even better, it is the guy I have been drooling over for months!!! So I contacted them via LINE to ask if my preferred guy worked at the Sathorn location and, if so, would he be available for a 2pm session today. The answer to both questions was a resounding ‘YES’. Their therapists rotate around between all three shops, so whichever location is the most convenient for you is where the therapist will meet you. The Sathorn location is literally at the back of the Tivoli Hotel. Walk past the hotel lobby through the parking area to the back of the building. There is a large sign, so you cannot miss it. Enter through double glass doors into a large reception area with a formal, wood spiral staircase. There are three levels to this building. Reception area includes desk and comfortable seating. It really is very spacious, as are the massage rooms, and gives you the impression it is a very expensive and exclusive spa. Compared to other shops I have seen it is quite impressive. The rooms are large and include private bath with shower in each room. Tables are very large and wide with built in face cradle. My only complaint would be the padding on the table is rather thin and can become uncomfortable after awhile, especially when laying on your stomach. The tables are also very well made and sturdy. I wasn’t sure what to expect, and had not read anything about these shops on the forum, so from overall first impressions I was thinking it would be strictly therapeutic and legitimate. The therapist walked me up one floor to the room at the very end. He was just as cute and sexy as the photos online. I counted five rooms in addition to mine on this floor. I was invited to disrobe and shower and he would return in a few minutes…the usual routine. I had selected a 2 hour aromatic just as I did at Prestige. Just my preference, guys. lol. Cost was 1390 Baht. I was told in advance via LINE that tip would be 1500 Baht for my therapist. I was also told he was Gay T/B. It does vary by therapist. Finished my shower and laid on the table. Therapist returned with tray of supplies. Ambience in the room is actually quite nice with calming music and soft lighting. When I first laid down I had pulled the towel across myself since I wasn’t quite sure what to expect from this shop. At first he did dry presses over the towel and would move it around as necessary. He was actually on the table as he was working on my legs and back. I would guess maybe about 5 minutes of this and then the towel slowly went away. As he was still doing dry presses but straddling my legs I immediately recognized skin against skin. He was naked, so there was no longer any question or doubt about where this was going to end. Needless to say my fantasy played out in real time and certainly lived up to all of my expectations and then some. Even if I wanted to walk back to Ibis Silom, I don’t think I could have! I would definitely recommend this shop, and my therapist as well, but it is more on the pricey side compared to others. No idea what the other two locations look like. I would definitely be a repeat customer. FYI: Prestige accepts credit card with no service charge. Men Care is strictly cash.
    18 points
  3. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 8 Bangkok Well, as the saying goes, too many men and too little time. Realized when I went down for breakfast this morning at the hotel that tomorrow is Friday and I will transfer from Ibis Silom to the tour hotel in the afternoon for the beginning of the next part of my adventure. There are still so many different massage shops I had hoped to try that are not even going to make it on the short list, which is very sad and disappointing. Now that I have also dipped my toe into the world of clubs, it has wet my appetite to check out some of the others. I am afraid these adventures to explore more will have to wait for another trip. There will be some ‘down time’ on the tour where you can opt out of certain experiences, and I may take advantage of that while still in Bangkok. Once we are on the road going to different communities, not sure what mischief I may get into, but am definitely planning to keep my options open. Already know when we reach our final destination of Chiang Mai that I want to visit Aqua CNX and Classic House. Also mentioned to Woody about possibly going to the club there, Adams Apple, if we have time. Anyway, planning to lay low this morning at the hotel and probably sleep a little more. Not sure what time Paradise young man will contact me, but expect that won’t be until later afternoon or early evening, which gives me a little time to play during the afternoon. lol. Had a lazy morning hanging out at the hotel. Was not sure if I wanted to venture out for fun or not. Had mixed feelings about whether the meeting with my Paradise guy was actually going to happen. You just never know about these things. Was hopeful that all would go according to plan, but trying to be realistic at the same time. As it turns out, there was no need to be worried or concerned. He lives about 50 minutes by motorbike outside city center. Sent me a message via LINE to let me know he was going to head my way around 2pm. Ask if he had a swimsuit and told him if he did to bring it. If not, we would go and buy one. He had one. Since he was coming for the afternoon, I decided against venturing out and getting into any more mischief. At the recommendation of @vinapu, had the lunch special of cashew chicken at my hotel. For me, it was the best of all three locations. Had no mushrooms whatsoever, plenty of white meat chicken and cashews along with red, green, and yellow peppers as well as onion. Also came with a fried egg, which was a nice touch. By the time ‘Sam’ arrived it was close to 3pm. Came up to the room, we changed into swimsuits, and went up to the rooftop to enjoy the pool and relax. Ordered a couple of appetizers to snack on as well. He said he had already had lunch, but wasn’t 100% sure he was being honest with me. Knew it would be awhile before any dinner, so couldn’t hurt to have a couple of things to snack on. He also had a beer…I stayed with my Thai tea. Was just a nice change of pace and relaxing afternoon. Eventually headed back down to the room where we proceeded to enjoy a shower together, some play time, serious cuddle time, short nap, then headed out to explore the night market and find a place to have dinner. Just a nice relaxing evening compared to what I have been putting my body through the rest of my trip. lol. Decent restaurant on Silom not far from Night Market. Had some Sea Bass soup and Wagyu grilled steak. I am not a big seafood lover, but actually enjoyed the soup more than the steak. Sam preferred the steak. He also enjoyed another bottle of Chang. He was so polite and really over-protective of me while we were out walking around. Wanted to make sure I was ok and having a good time. I was enjoying the attention and the affection. Headed back to the hotel for some more playtime before falling asleep with my arms wrapped tightly around him. Magical, blissful evening for me…hopefully for him as well.
    17 points
  4. Hey everyone. I am a "long-time lurker" (if that's the right expression) on this site, and its predecessor hooboys, but my changing circumstances mean I now feel able to begin posting myself. I would like to start therefore by expressing my heartfelt thanks to all the members who post regularly on these forums, which have helped me immeasurably on my trips over the past 5-8 years, to Latin America, including Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, Dominican Republic, and Peru. However, despite being addicted to fit Latin guys, I decided to try a visit to S E Asia this November. I have poured over the helpful posts here, and the wonderful blogs by Shamelessmacktwo, which are so instructive. I have just finished a week-long stay in Ho Chi Mihn City went to a number of the massage shops that have featured previous posts. On my first full day I had booked a guide from Siamroads, and after a fascinating tour of the city centre, he organised us both (separate, I hasten to add) 90 minute massages at Aqua Spa. The set me back a total of 4 million Dong, tips included. They sent pictures in advance, and my guy was like the photo, and quite hunky. After about 40 minutes of routine massaging, with not much straying into sensitive areas, he suddenly started rimming me, which was a very nice surprise. We proceeded from there with him fucking me in several positions and he came in my throat to finish. There was no kissing though, which is a slight disappointment for me. The next day I tried 3 Some Spa, which is quite easy to reach from the city centre. I messaged them on WhatsApp to book a time, and they send a set of 24 photos some duplicated, so about 10-12 guys to choose from. Mostly very cute twinky types. My first choice of guy was available, so after a shower downstairs next to the lockers, we proceeded to an upstairs room wearing the baggy boxer-type shorts provided. He gave me a nice massage, nude from the start, and in the second phase, fucked me and came in my face, so I left well satisfied. The system here is that the massage is 400,000 Dong, and the guy then asks you to write down the tip on a ticket, and you pay at the reception on leaving. The next day I decided to visit the Nadam Spa. As other posters here have noted, this is a conventional sauna, not just a massage shop. It is located a bit further out of the city centre in the other places. At least a 30 minute ride in a Grab car away, through the perpetually slow, Saigon traffic, with its swarming motorbikes. The tactic I adopted was to use the new one Ho Chi Minh City, metro line, travelling 2 or 3 stops from the Beh Thanh Market terminus, and then taking a grab car from the station nearest to my destination. I was as equally impressed as Colom-bien (in his post of 6 December 2024) and I cannot better his eloquent description of the decor and ambience of the place. As he mentions, there are numerous massage guys wandering around the spa, and when one of them approached me and asked if I would like to partake, he took me through to the massage side of the place, but I was not then obliged to accept his services, but was given a book of pictures of the guys and a cold tea to drink while I made my own choice. The boy I chose gave me a very sensual massage, with plenty of 'extras', but still no kissing , unfortunately. When we had finished, there was, once again, the procedure of writing the tip amount on a ticket, but this time, the guy asked me to write down just 200,000 Dong, and then accompanied me back to the locker room where I gave him a further 1 million directly. Whether this is a procedure tolerated or condoned by the management I wouldn't like to say, but I was happy to be able to reward him personally for a very happy moment. I hope this report has not been too long-winded. I get the impression that many are readers of these posts like to see a lot of detail. In the next part, I will cover my two visits to the Aroma Spa, which were undoubtedly the standout delights of my sojourn in Saigon.
    16 points
  5. Dannyxxx

    Trip Report: Silom

    @khaolakguy You're very welcome. Yeah it is weird that they don't have it. They just had a small foam pillow. The massage, masseur, and location were great otherwise. @floridarob That's definitely advice I should take. At Wabi Sabi he had primed me for over an hour before offering the extras and I was pretty worked up by then. Great tactic. @jason1975Thanks! After the massage at Wabi Sabi I walked over to MBK Center which is known as the largest counterfeit mall in Bangkok. I didn't buy anything but might go back tomorrow. I went to G's Bangkok and it was enjoyable. I only ordered German dishes and they were tasty. Also a beer. Afterwards went back to my hotel for a one hour power nap. Ended up getting to Freshboys around 9:30pm. Upon being seated I immediately exchanged a 1000 baht note for ten 100's. To my pleasant surprise, the boy I offed in March was up on stage again. I decided he'd probably forgotten about me so I should make an effort to assess all the boys and not favor him just because we had prior interactions. Alas, I succumbed to the urge to pick him. There were more than a few that I could have been happy with but his look and tattoos just do it for me. The mamasan called his number and he came over and a drink was ordered for him. Once I explained that we had interacted in March he kind of lit up. I mentioned that I remembered that he's Lao. He let me know he would like to leave after the show. I wanted to get agreement before I agreed to off him for the night. He agreed to kissing and showering together. The show was enjoyable. One sexy hot dancer and two guys with their cocks out. There was another crew of dancers and I loved watching the more submissive seeming one. I recognized him from last time as well and I really thought he gave a great performance. I decided not to off two boys and instead just did one. I had a 100 baht note in hand and when my guy was getting dressed I saw my opportunity to stand up and give the cute dancer a 100 baht note. Also gave 100 to the waiter and mamasan. We went back to the hotel and took a shower and hopped into bed. This experience was almost night and day compared to my my first time with him. He seemed so much friendlier and less mechanical. He washed me and let me wash him. He actively kissed me including tongue which was wonderful. The sexual stuff was fun. After we finished we both showered again. We chatted via translation apps and I gave him a bit extra. 3000 instead of 2500. He gave me his Line account so I added him. I'm wary of how this may go. I am not going to be sending money or thinking he's romantically interested. While I was at Freshboys there was a gentleman sitting next to me because it was rather packed in there. When he noticed that I had offed my boy the other gentleman asked me how much it costs. I had to switch my translation app to Chinese. I explained it to him in terms of how pricing works here. He was grateful. I ordered some Foodland bites to my hotel via Grab. I'd type more but I'm fading fast. I'll post tomorrow
    16 points
  6. msclwrshp

    Bangkok Trip Report

    I'm new to this so please bear with me. I'm also typing on my phone (which I'm not used to when making reviews) so there might be some grammatical errors. Thank you for understanding. I already planned to visit Jey Spa and History of Massages before arriving, but Klover was unexpectedly added to my list. I also wanted to try S'Sense but I skipped it because the masseur I chose was either fully booked or was having his day off. Jey Spa It was already late in the evening when I messaged their Line, and I asked who were available. It was hard to choose as I wanted to try most of them. It took me a while to choose and finally decided to try Alex. I booked a 90-minute massage. I arrived Jey Spa and saw Blue and Vee outside. I feel like I regretted my decision because they were both hot in person! Way better than the photos! They were already leaving the place. I then headed inside and saw Alex. Okay, I didn't regret it! He's cute! After paying, Alex led me to the room and I showered. He was already on his underwear and told me to lie down. The bed was quite stiff but his palms were really soft, so I didn't mind the little discomfort. The first half of the massage was great with a few teases. He started massaging my legs and would swipe his hands between my butt cheeks which made me hard. For the other half, Alex surprised me with his big tool. It was huge, it was thick! He is also good with his tongue, especially when he licked my ears and neck. We did various positions, kissed passionately, and he really liked it rough. There was also a mirror in the room which made the moment steamier. We were both sweating and I told him I wanted to release already so he ate my nipples like a wild animal. I won't go into detail what else happened but I was really satisfied. We showered together afterwards and I gave him the tip. To be continued...
    16 points
  7. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    At some point during my trip report I was asked if I had compiled a list of massage shops. I actually did create sort of a cheat sheet for myself of the places I wanted to visit. The list is by no means extensive, and I am sure by now some of the info is out of date. X accounts, LINE addresses, and websites seem to change, get suspended, or vanish completely without any notice or warning. lol. Info was current prior to my departure on October 14. No guarantees after that date! These are in no particular order...just my personal list of shops I had planned to visit. Yes...overly optimistic, wasn't I?!? Prestige 79 Naradhiwas Rajanagarindra Rd, Si Lom, Bang Rak, Bangkok 10500 +66 96 889 1777 605 24 Phra Khanong - Khlong Ban Pa, Khwaeng Phra Khanong, Khlong Toei, Bangkok 10260, +66 61 323 8531 @Prestige_Msg Arena / https://arenaspa.wordpress.com/ 491/23-24, 3/F Silom Plaza, Bang Rak, Bangkok 10500, Thailand +66 2 635 3645 @arenaspabkk S’sense https://ssensemassage.com/ 562/16 Soi Sathon 3, Thung Maha Mek, Sathon, Bangkok 10120, Thailand +66 644628503 Prince 253/4 Suan Phlu 6 Alley, Thung Maha Mek, Sathon, Bangkok 10120, Thailand +66 91 765 2222 Senso https://sensospacom.wordpress.com/ 5/8 Saladeng Rd., Silom Bangrak Bangkok 10500 Office: 02-1296739 Mobile: 0811073888 FaFa 233, 8 Soi Sukhumvit 77, Phra Khanong Nuea, Watthana, Bangkok 10110, Thailand +66 95 323 3242 @fafaspa_bkk Klover Thanon Nang Linchi, Chong Nonsi, Yan Nawa, Bangkok 10120, Thailand +66 94 698 9556 Atman 1213, 503 Town In Town Soi 17, Phlabphla, Wang Thonglang, Bangkok 10310, Thailand +66 92 262 3986 @PKhewkaw94994 Glam 380/2 Ratchadaphisek Rd, Samsen Nok, Huai Khwang, Bangkok 10310, Thailand +66 61 161 5093 JeySpa 14/7 Soi Sukhumvit 43, Khlong Tan Nuea, Watthana, Bangkok 10110, Thailand +66 61 834 5252 SMS Sanctuary 18/8, Building Rama 4 City Court, 10330 Rama IV Rd, Khwaeng Lumphini, Pathum Wan, Bangkok 10330, Thailand +66 90 897 7140 @sanctuaryspabkk Ganymede http://www.ganymedespa.com/home 69/37 phatumwan resort Phaya Thai Rd, Sub-district Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 97 170 5418 @GanymedeSpa TCS (has recently opened a second location) 2, 22 Soi Seng Ki, Bang Kho Laem, Bangkok 10120, Thailand +66 80 414 2944 @tcsspa Onespa 9 Inthamara 3, Sutthisan Winitchai Rd, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 96 040 7349 15M/27M 15M: 1575 18 Phahonyothin Rd, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 61 196 5666 @boybk12345 27M: 327 Sutthisan Winitchai Rd, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 61 198 5666 @massage_27m Phetboy (now Boy Boy) 1511/26 Phahonyothin Rd, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 92 487 7989 @suththi33654 Phoenix 9 Chuen Yaem Alley, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 62 283 7447 BT House Massage 240 Sutthisan Winitchai Rd, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 92 874 1290 @bthouse2025 The Master Gallery 818/126 Soi. Sukhumvit 103, Bangna Nuea, Bangna District, Bangkok, Thailand +66 81 242 6152 @TheMastegallery https://x.com/i/status/1880200216940597576 365 The River 375/5 Pracha Rat Sai 2 Rd, Bang Sue, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon, Bangkok 10800, Thailand +66 64 640 6500 @365theriver House 98 Massage 55 163 Ban Klang Muang, Rama 9, Ladprao, Phlapphla, Wang Thonglang, Bangkok 10310, Thailand +66 93 362 9598 @House98massage History of Massage Stadium One Project No. 719-727 2nd Floor, Chulalongkorn Soi 4, Wang Mai Subdistrict, Pathum Wan District, Bangkok 10330 +66 91 535 2424 @History_Bangkok Gbeat / Stars.BKK (possible name change) 1575, 53-54 Phahonyothin Rd, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400, Thailand +66 99 046 4455 @intraspa Wabi Sabi 44, 4 Soi Pipat, Si Lom, Bang Rak, Bangkok 10500, Thailand +66 65 078 4825 @WabiSabi_MS Men Care (have 4 other locations) 71/2-3 Soi Si Bamphen, Thung Maha Mek, Sathon, Bangkok 10120 @mencare_x
    15 points
  8. Dannyxxx

    Trip Report: Silom

    I'm currently in Bangkok and will be leaving in about 30 hours so I need to be thoughtful with how I allocate my time. I arrived at BKK airport at 11:40pm last night. Immediately after customs I took out 10.7k baht from a Kasikorn Bank ATM. I then walked past the taxi area and instead opted for a Grab. I wanted to avoid any potential hassle with the taxi drivers as I'm under the impression that they like to gouge tourists a bit and I also wanted to pay with a credit card so Grab was ideal. Within 15 minutes my Grab arrived and off we went. About 35 minutes to my hotel in Silom. The ride with all fees was about 650 baht and I was feeling generous so added 200 baht tip. Checked into my hotel(The Quarter) at about 1:15am. I then freshened up and decided not to waste time and head straight to Good Boys. It was a 6 minute walk with the slightest drizzle of rain. First I walked down the main road to get a lay of the land and then doubled back to the Pavilion under Fresh Boys where the other gogo bar is located. It was about 1:45am and they were about to close so it was probably unexpected that I showed up. As I got close to the door a boy greeted me and walked me inside. I was sat at a table in the center of the room which was not ideal for me though the bar was pretty packed. Mostly boys but patrons too. I prefer to be on the perimeter so I can people watch. At my vantage point I couldn't see anyone behind me. I planned to just get a drink and not off anyone but the mamasan was sitting next to me and was persistently asking who I wanted etc. I kept smiling and declining anyone that came up to me. There were about 5 or 6 drag queens providing entertainment and then there was a show where a few of the boys hit a drum with their cocks. Afterwards a couple of them asked for tips and I politely declined. It was 2am and the mamasan was really trying to get me to off someone and then I saw a sexy guy I liked on stage. I told the mamasan his number and bought him a drink. I think he was surprised that I picked him. I asked if he wanted to go back to my hotel and he said yes. I asked the mamasan for the price. He proposed 3000 for boy, 500 for bar, plus 3x400 for the drinks. I countered and said it was too much so then he asked me how much I could afford. I said 2500 plus 500 off fee. This was what I had paid at Freshboys in March so thought it was a good price to offer. He accepted. I also added 100 baht as tip for the mamasan. I walked out paying 4300 all included for 3 hour short time with my Myanmar boy. He didn't speak English. Before I paid he said I could not fuck him and I agreed. We went to my room and using Google Translate I asked if we could shower together and he agreed. We did that and then started the fun. He said we could kiss but he was seriously bad at that or just didn't wanna be too gay so I gave up on kissing. He was enjoying using my mouth as a kind of vagina and eventually I could see him watching porn so I got curious and started jerking off with him. Alas it was straight porn so I assume he is probably gay for pay only. We did some more things and both got off and showered together. I really tried to make him feel comfortable. Once he was dressed I thanked him and we smiled and he went for a hug. It felt genuine. Overall I had a fun time my first night. I was a bit jetlagged and spent more than I had intended too. I also was being pressured due to time being short at Good Boys so I was not able to ask all of the questions I had meant to ask about what services would be provided. I also had hoped to get to know the guy before offing him. This will all be corrected for tonight. I will go to Freshboys for sure. I will be able to better assess the differences in type of boy. There were definitely plenty of Twink types at Good Boys but like someone said on another thread, it looks like they are a bit more well fed and have been to a gym before. I'm still trying to decide what I like. Ideally I find a boy that is willing to top tonight and he picks another boy to perform the act with in my hotel. I did see a very hot guy at Good Boys but he was sitting with some Asian men and a few boys. I was hoping to snag him but as the bar closed he changed into his street clothes and left with the other customer. If I go back tonight he will be who I'm looking for. On a side note, the boy I offed looked to be in his early twenties. When he stripped down I noticed a little lump on his penis which was rather off-putting. I'm not an expert on std's but hopefully that was not what it was. I don't think it was. If I'd seen that prior to being in my hotel I likely would have passed on him. Now I'm gonna take a nap and try to schedule a massage somewhere closeby. Not sure if i'll go somewhere that extras are likely. I'll hitup one of @vinapu's restaurant recommendations for lunch and then start going to the gogo bars around 9pm or whenever they open. I'm really trying to get better at saying no when people ask for money. I plan to just have one drink at a bar, Maybe spend 30 minutes and then move to the next one and end up at Freshboys at 9:45pm. I'll hang there and think about offing 1 or 2 guys but keeping my options open in case I wind up at Good Boys later and maybe I can hire that hot guy that was booked by someone else. I didn't see the number he was wearing. Apologies for the rambling post. I'm feeling rested now but I bet the jetlag will catch up to me sometime. I can sleep on the flights home.
    15 points
  9. I was in Hurghada for a month in October 2025 and a time was had! The first 9 days I didn't have any sex. I was just sight seeing and enjoying the buffet, beach and pool vibes in my 5 star resort. Sunbathing and relaxing before I went wild! I had many massages in different places but only one place I was lucky to find guys willing to fuck. It was a very popular and busy hammam. The first time I was fucked there very quickly by a dark skinned guy skinny good looking with a small dick, it was quick and not that great. He was around 33 years old, short and quite annoying tbh. I gave him 300 EGP pounds tip. The massage wasn't that great either. I asked for another stronger guy the next time I went and he was much better really work on my ass so good. The massage was excellent. The problem with the place is that it is so busy with so many customers and workers everywhere nearby. The guy massaging me was 18 handsome skinny light skin with a 7.5 inch cock. I could feel his rock hard cock as the massage progressed. I sucked him and told him to fuck me near the end of the massage like with the first guy but he said it was too busy, which was very true and people kept opening the door. He told me to come at 7pm next time and he would fuck me then. I gave him 400 EGP tip, which is how much I gave all the guys I fucked in Hurghada. The regular guys I fucked who weren't massaging me didn't ask or expect money I just gave it and said it was for taxi, they were all very surprised and happy for it although. I had to force a few guys to accept it. The massage guy was very happy with the tip. The next time I came at 7pm the massage wasn't as amazing as the first but it was still good. He fucked me at the end and cummed inside me. I gave him 500 EGP this time. I should have just stuck with this Hammam. I tried many other massage places but no sex there although I had some surprisingly good massages with hot guys. I had 5 massages at the resort I stayed with really hot muscly guys but I was too scared to initiate anything and looking back they weren't going to jepordise their jobs at a 5 star resort by initiating. There were many hot muscly guys working in the resort but I was too scared to try anything. Many hit bar men, security, waitors but I didn't try. I had no sex in the resort itself but had sex at the Hammam. I also had great luck with the uber drivers. I would get drunk at night and drive into town. If the driver was hot and young I would try my luck. It worked 7 out 8 times. Only one guy refused me, which was a bit awkward but it was fine. I only hit on slightly older uber guy in his early 40s because he was so good looking. I gave him some vodka in a water bottle and he took me to his apartment. He had 9 inch thick dick and he fucked me good but was really guilty as he took me back to my hotel. He told me it was against his religion and that he had a wife and kids and that we couldn't do it again. I was a little disappointed but I moved on quickly. The next day I met this guy off grindr in his apartment. He was diving instructor with a deep tan, great body and good looking. He was smoking Hashish when I got there and I offered him some of my vodka so we drank and smoked together. Hashish is like a milder form of weed/marjuana. His English was very good and we had a great conversation for an hour before having great sex. He fucked me really a good long for an hour. I was sucking him and noticed his as hole was very clean and started eating his ass and then I slowly tried to fuck him. I don't know if it was his first time but he was that experienced or comfortable. After a while he flipped me over and fucked me so good hard until he cummed inside me. I kinda fell in love, the sex was great. He gave me his number afterwards. I gave him 600 EGP for the Hashish as I took some with me. The next night I got his number mixed up with another diver guy I met on an uber trip and asked to come over to smoke with him. He said OK but gave me another address to go. I was surprised by the address switch up but went with it. When I got there I was like this looks different but similar to the guy from last night but his his hair was short Abd the guy last night had should length beautiful hair and a longer nose. I was pretty drunk already and it only dawned on me when we got in the lift that this was the wrong guy! Anyway I went to his apartment. The guy is handsome with divers body while we were smoking Hashish he shocked me his six pack. We had a great night of conversation and I was very attract led to him but he gave strictly straight vibes so I didny try it. His friend Abd roommate was also smoking with us. The friend was even better looking than him Abd I could see the full definition of his long and thick dick through his jogging bottoms while he sat. The friend was definitely flirting with me and was interested but I felt the diver guy was telling him to cut it out probably because a lot of people tell me a give a straight vibe myself unless I am explicitly cruising or flirting with a guy. So in the end nothing happened. I should have asked for the friend's number but I didn't. I gave this guy 1000 EGP because he gave me a fair bit of Hashish to take with me after we smoked for 2 hours together. Back to the uber encounters. One young guy I sucked in his car and he fucked me in a quiet dark street. He was 18 years old using his father's uber account and car. He was 7 inches and fucked me good. He was really cute and innocent. He told me it was his first time and said he loved it. I personally hated my first time as a top because I got a tiny bit of shit on my cock. I always douche thoroughly when I bottom and carry wet wipes. I was drunk in all these uber encounters. I gave him 400 EGP tip. The next night I met this soldier guy on uber he was 22 and the most beautiful guy I met there. He had a toned body too. I sucked him in his car and he cummed in my mouth. He said he wanted to fuck me so he drove to the edge of town. He fucked me good with his 7.8 inches and thick dick and cummed a second time. I thought we were going to drive home but we talked for a while in the car and then he grabbed my head to suck him and he fucked me for a second time and cummed for the third time before he drove me back to my hotel. I gave him 400 EGP tip. The next night I met a smoking hot gym fanatic. He was 23 and very handsome. He was educated and spoke good English. He was 8 inches but not as thick as the guy the night before but still very enjoyable. He had a perfect 6 pack and wonderful muscles. He drove to a quiet dark street. I sucked him in his nice car and then he fucked me good in the back of the car. The next uber encounter was weird and strange. After hitting on him I realised the guy was mentally unstable and his dick was small. I said the spot he took us to was too public and not safe, which was true. I gave him 100 EGP and got out of his car. After the first 10 days in my 5 star resort I realised I was going to be having any fun there so I booked a cheap apartment in the centre of yown so I could give bring guys over. To be continued...
    15 points
  10. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 7 Bangkok - Part 2 OK, I cannot believe I am going to admit this, but I have become such a slut on this trip. I am acting like the kid in a candy store for the very first time. I’m exhausted, but this drive or rush inside keeps moving me forward. Saw my Paradise guy and it was just as great this time, only we dispensed with the scrub and also no need to waste time or play the coy games. Both of us naked from the get go, showered together before and after, and a lot more play than massage. Was joking with him at the end of our time together while still in the massage room and casually…and really was joking when I said it…told him ‘I could take you home with me right now!’. His reply caught me off guard. He said ‘not today, working; tomorrow ok, not working’. So I had to ask if he was serious, and had ever gone with a client before and he said yes, serious, and never with client. First of all, they aren’t allowed by management if they are working. What they do on their off day is their own personal business, though. While I take most things like this with a grain of salt…he may say something similar to all of his clients…I would like to believe he was being genuine. I felt there was a connection between us, and he was surprised I sent him a text and arranged a second meeting, as I had promised. Evidently others have said similar things but never followed through. Anyway, he will text me tomorrow and we will make whatever arrangements regarding where and when to meet. After that it was off to Foodland and another sampling of cashew chicken. I prefer Foodland version over Derby King. While Foodland version did contain some mushrooms, it was only a minimal amount and not that tube-like mushroom at DK. DK was also slightly more expensive. I got an appetizer at Foodland in addition to the chicken and a Thai Tea (same at both locations), and the bill was still less than DK. By this time it is around 9pm. Walked down to Hotmale to check out show time. Show was to begin at 10:30pm, but I decided to go ahead in now and just wait. I could relax in the AC and enjoy a drink while waiting. I knew if I walked back to the hotel I would most likely stay in the rest of the evening. Walked in Hotmale and I was literally the only customer. Nobody else in sight other than people who work there, and number boys on stage just like at Moonlight. Was rather depressing and really uncomfortable. Probably 15-20 boys rotating on and off stage in groups looking at me desperately with pleading eyes to rescue them from the misery. So strange to make the young men parade on stage when no customers are present. I really don’t get this. Also, being the only customer, I had the complete attention of Mamasan. There was no escaping it. It was so bad I was trying to avoid eye contact with any of the guys on stage. Finally, after 30 minutes of Mamasan hovering I selected one young man to come and sit with me and bought him a drink. This was just to shut up Mamasan and get her to go away. OMG. During this time, two potential customers walked in, looked around, and walked right back out. Also, I had specifically asked Mamsan if all of the boys where Thai and to indicate which ones could speak some English. She confirmed all Thai, all speak English. I knew this was BS, but was no point in arguing with her. Anyway, the young man I selected did have some limited English skills. He was 27 from Cambodia. His older brother also works there and was on stage at the same time. All the guys here are what I would call twinks. Didn’t see anyone you could call muscular or manly. Anyway, had a nice conversation with the young man and decided on a whim to go ahead and off him. Didn’t think I would ever do that, but might be my last opportunity, so why not. lol. Paid the club fee of 500 Baht, plus a much pressured tip for Mamasan of 100 Baht and was told the fee for the young man was 2000 Baht to be given directly to him. I believe the actual amount paid to guys is negotiated between the parties…not based upon what Mamasan said. In any event, I specifically asked him if he had to share any of the money I give him at the hotel with the club and he said no, he keeps all of it. So, off he went to get dressed and shortly after we were out the door. By this time it was 22:00 and not a single customer in the club. Assuming unless a last minute rush the show may get canceled for the evening?!? Not sure how that works. Only did short term with the young man, especially since I will have overnight company tomorrow with my Paradise guy. Like I said at the beginning of this paragraph…I have become such a slut!!!
    15 points
  11. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 6 Bangkok - Fresh Boys Was running just a tad late for the 22:15 show due to my extra-curricular activity at Avarin. Having never been to Fresh Boys before, I assumed it would be similar to my previous stop at Moonlight with low attendance and a late start. Boy, was I wrong! Show started on time, and the place was packed. Papasan could barely find a place for me to sit. Felt like I was in a can of sardines. Since the show had just started, I did not see the beforehand parade of number boys, but would guess in total around 30 boys. First couple of acts seemed like more something I would see in a leather or fetish bar. Lots of skin, erotic playfulness, and big cocks. Show was definitely more risqué with lots of nudity compared to Moonlight. Not sure how to describe the majority of guys here…definitely not what I would call muscular or manly; but, also not completely twinkish, either. Kind of an in-between, mixed bag I would say. A couple just slightly chunky. Perhaps this is where the new term twunk would fit?!? Since the club was so crowded, even if there was a boy I would have been interested in there was absolutely no space for him to sit beside me. Would have been forced to either sit on his lap or he on mine…either could be fun. lol. Seemed like a mixed crowd. Mostly Asian males, maybe a half-dozen caucasians, and a couple of females (also Asian). Around 60 customers total. There seemed to be several little groups here. Fortunately, because it was so crowded I was able to fade into the background and be absorbed so papasan and mamasan left me alone for the most part. To be honest, the waiter was more annoying. Prissy thing prancing around all over the place screaming for attention! Total turn off. Several of the groups were definitely in party mode, with a number of boys being invited to join them. Got the impression these are frequent customers well known to all and mamasan gave them extra special attention. No clue how many bottles were consumed by these couple of groups, but must have been substantial income for the house! One caucasian gentleman sitting dead center in the back row must also be a somewhat regular and very popular. At one time I counted seven boys he had with him with probably as many bottles of alcohol. They were frequently sending shots up on stage for their buddies, sent shots twice to the drag queen (she was NOT amused), and even sent shots to the DJ. So, when I say party atmosphere…you get the idea. Shower show was somewhat amusing, because once they two guys were soaped up they had a challenging time standing or moving around in the soapy water. Couldn’t help chuckle to myself and wonder which one would fall first. Drag queen was ok from my perspective. Wasn’t really anything wrong with the performance. Just seemed to lack energy. Enjoyed the one at Moonlight much more. It seemed most of the sex was oral, with anal simulated but no real penetration. Perhaps that came later after I left. I stayed through the big cock show with hitting the pole and had reached my limit by this time. Too loud, too crowded, and too many drunk people for my taste…to be honest. Guys walked around for tips after hitting the pole with their cocks, but it was difficult for them to get around the room because it was so crowded. Also, I would have considered tipping but it was so dark inside I could not see inside my wallet to know which note I was pulling out. I sure as heck wasn’t going to grab a 1K note instead of a 100, so didn’t tip at all. (Sorry, guys!) While Moonlight was somewhat boring and a little depressing (aside from Mr. Boss), I am not quite sure I understand the business model of these clubs or the financial acumen of the boys. The club is packed so apparently business is good. Yeah for the club. I am not sure how that success filters down to the boys. If they are invited to join these ‘big spender’ groups for drinking during the show, but only receive a minimal tip for that pleasure but no offing, how is that to their benefit. Could I afford to invite a handful of boys over to sit and drink with me for an hour, give them a couple of hundred baht for their time, and send them back to the rotation…sure. But, that’s not me. And my guess is there were a number of people in the bar just like me who would prefer some 1:1 time with a nice young man in conversation, one drink, leading to an off for the young man. That would be much more lucrative and financially beneficial to the young man…at least one would think so. Versus spending a couple of hours with a wealthy donor for a couple of hundred baht. That math just doesn’t make sense in my book. So the young men flock to the big spenders which basically restricts their availability to other, possibly more generous customers in a 1:1 situation. So, at least for me, visited Fresh Boys but probably would not go back due to the party atmosphere and exclusion of quality 1:1 interaction. Just my perspective, guys, as a first timer. Between the two clubs, would go back to Moonlight but not Fresh Boys. May try Hot Male tomorrow night. See how I feel.
    15 points
  12. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 6 Bangkok - Phetboy and Avarin Had made an appointment for the afternoon at Phetboy in Saphan Khwai area. My original thought was to visit this shop early afternoon before BTS was too crazy, hang out in that area of Bangkok for some dinner, then visit Phoenix in the evening. However, getting a response from Phoenix via LINE was challenging to say the least. I finally decided whoever was managing their LINE account had very limited English skills. Eventually, I started writing my messages using Google Translate and would copy and paste the Thai version into LINE; then need to translate the Thai reply back into English for me. Slightly frustrating process. It became so late with the back and forth that I decided to schedule something for tomorrow with Phoenix and shortlisted five possible young men. I was told all five would be available. Will arrive when the shop opens at 1pm and need to make the final selection. I had a short list of three young men I was interested in at Phetboy based upon their daily updates via LINE. All three would be available. Turns out the guy I selected was from Laos. Photo was pretty accurate, although his online photos do not show his back, which is covered completely with a tattoo. I don’t dislike tattoo’s, but also don’t like when the body is mostly covered by them or they are not tastefully done. Shop is very basic, for those who have never been. My assigned room was up one level. Two rooms on that floor. They were very busy, so business must be good. Room next to mine was occupied as were two rooms on the next floor up. Shared shower with urinal on the floor. Two customers waiting as I left, so a popular shop for sure. Other customers whom I actually saw where all Asian. No frills here. Mattress pad on the floor. However, after being on tables with thin padding, I actually preferred this as it was more comfortable. Waiting area is small. Several therapists were hanging out in this area as well. Don’t know if they were waiting for clients, or would be available for walk-ins. I will say this…out of all the places I have been so far this trip, here I felt uncomfortable and had the feeling of age/size discrimination from the young men hanging out in the area. Just the overall demeanor, tone of voice, facial expressions. It just gave me a strange vibe. I did not get that same vibe from my therapist. I had arrived about ten minutes early, so he was not even there yet. Massage was not great, but better than I expected from a shop like this. His style was a little more aggressive than I like, and not much intimacy. He is a freelancer and I have seen his photo listed on other shops in this area. Would I hire him again…possibly, but at a different shop. Would I return to Phetboy, in all probability, no. They only seem to offer one hour massages and prices vary from 400-600 Baht. Minimum tip varies by therapist, but mine was 1000 Baht. I gave him 1500 Baht. They also offer outcalls. When I made the reservation, they asked if I wanted in-store or outcall. If there was a next time, I would opt for the outcall to my hotel. Made a quick stop at Big C for a couple of personal toiletry items before taking BTS back to Sala Daeng. Still processing my thoughts on Phetboy and feeling somewhat unfulfilled, I decided that I would definitely go check out the show at Fresh Boys tonight. Went back to the hotel to rest for awhile and decided to head out for dinner around 7pm. Knew that Fresh Boys opened the doors at 8pm, but wasn’t sure I wanted to get there that early. After eating I walked through the night market down to Surawong. I had remembered reading a post on the forum recently about someone’s experience at Avarin and how things advanced from foot massage to oil massage. Since I had some time and my experience at Phetboy was less than desirable, I thought I would walk past the group of massage shops on Surawong and just check it out. Urban was all female except one lonely male. They were very busy with most chairs filled and this is a large facility. First Avarin shop was mixed male and female therapists and not really anyone that caught my attention. Shop was not busy. The Green Massage was also empty, with all guys out front except one female. She was very aggressive or pushy at trying to get me to go inside. Nobody really caught my eye, either, so I kept walking. Second Avarin shop also had no customers with all guys outside except two females. I kept walking across the entrance to the hotel, but one cutie had caught my attention. He had looked and smiled as I walked by, was young and twinkish, and my gaydar was telling me there was potential here. So, I turned around and walked back, looked at the menu board, was undecided until the one female who appeared to be in charge said I could select anyone I wanted. I said ‘anyone?’, to which she replied yes so I pointed at the cute boy and said him. Foot massage. I was about to try my hand at the same thing had previously been reported on the forum. Turns out he is Thai, 24, and identifies as gay. Anyway, during the foot massage there was some noticeable arousal on my part. There wasn’t another person in the shop. Rest of the staff was still sitting outside in the front. Just the two of us inside. He noticed, eyes got a little bigger, smiled and looked at me, and continued with the foot massage. But, I could tell he was keeping a watchful eye above my knees. After about 15 minutes of this cat and mouse game, he finally asked if I would like oil massage. I had no plans of refusing, but sheepishly said ‘with you? full body?’, to which his reply was yes and mine was a resounding YES! We left the smaller shop and went two doors down to the larger shop with private rooms and in-room showers. To be honest, I enjoyed the game as much as the massage. This experience was far more rewarding and fulfilling than Phetboy. Foot massage was 300 Baht; addition of one hour oil massage was another 500 Baht. Gave therapist negotiated 2000 Baht tip. He initially requested 3000, but I knew better to accept this thanks to the forum. Finished up with a shower…alone unfortunately…one person stalls here and still just enough time to get to Fresh Boys for the show. Will report on that later.
    15 points
  13. Not sure if I’ll do a full trip report on my 12 nights here — it’s Pattaya, so you already know the drill. Some great nights, some “why did I leave my room for this,” and plenty of the familiar patterns.... I did go with a Dream Boys guy that was able to cum 2 times, 3 nights in a row 😳 Tonight was supposed to be my quiet night because I’m heading to Bangkok tomorrow and actually wanted to be fresh. But Mr. Bacardi had other plans, so I ended up at Cocka2 in the Complex having “just a couple.” I finished off what was left in my bottle and was fixing to leave (that’s a Texan phrase), when I noticed a cute guy selling food from this giant bag. Went over to chat. He said he was 19, which… my eyes told me otherwise, so I had one of the waiters check his ID — turns out he’s 29. So I switched to my limited flirty Thai and told him he was handsome… nit noi, lol. He asked me for 100 baht, and I jokingly said, “Do you want to boom boom me for 1000?” His eyes popped open like I’d just offered him a winning lottery ticket. He goes, “I boom boom YOU?” all shocked. I said sure — “You have POWER?” He said yes, although let’s just say it took him a while in the room to find it 🙄 So off we went, giant bag of food products and all. Once inside, he had quite the bush happening, so I told him, “Let’s use the clippers and trim that shit — it’ll look bigger.” Into the shower he went, trimming the forest (and his pits), and I pray the drain survives. The sex itself? Very mediocre. He needed straight porn to get going, and it took a while, but we both got there in the end. Honestly, the whole scenario — the randomness, the bag of food, the ID check, the shower trim — was fun. Still… not your average Pattaya night or is it 😝, which somehow made it all worth it 🤷‍♂️
    14 points
  14. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Final Observations/Comments While I saw large numbers of foreigners in Bangkok, we really did not run into large groups of tourists until we got to Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai. Both places were overrun with groups and buses. The groups were primarily Chinese, although we did meet groups from Spain, France, and Germany. Also met several groups from South American countries. We met a number of Australians traveling independently or part of smaller groups. Saw no other tour groups from North America. That is not to say they didn’t exist…we just did not cross paths. Chiang Mai has done an excellent job of marketing itself as a vacation destination. However, they do not appear to be well equipped to handle such a large influx of tourists and need to do more to alleviate traffic problems and the overcrowded airport. Personally, I would not return to Chiang Mai because of these concerns. My air travel was booked through United, so most of the travel was directly with United. Denver is a hub for United and Southwest, so my airline choices are very limited when traveling to Asia. However, I did fly EVA from Taipei to Bangkok and Thai Airways from Chiang Mai to Bangkok. I am always impressed with the level of service and the number of cabin crew members on Asian airlines compared to US based airlines. Customer service is definitely not a priority on US carriers when compared to Asian carriers…from my experience. Some people enjoy group tours, while others loathe them and prefer to do their own thing. I do enjoy them at times, and am glad I signed up for this trip. I was able to learn more about Thailand and its history. The guide was very knowledgeable and thorough. Everything was well organized and a variety of activities were included. With the exception of one, all of the hotels were nice, meals good, and staff everywhere were friendly, polite and helpful. Unfortunately, the hotel used in Bangkok at the start of the tour was not one I would recommend…Galleria 10 near Terminal 21/Sukhumvit…was older, inconvenient and somewhat unsafe location, rundown and desperately in need of remodeling. So, my only real complaints about the tour are Bangkok hotel and crowds in Chiang Mai. All in all not a bad trip. I really want to thank forum members for all of their recommendations and suggestions before my trip. Your wisdom and encouragement helped to make my time in Bangkok the highlight of this trip. I stepped outside of my comfort zone and had some new, exciting experiences. Not bad for a 73 year old! Was surprised I still had some of the old adventure in me. As for an update on my love life, I hear from Sam (Paradise) regularly. Nothing serious…just casual chat…but something he wants and no requests for any type of assistance. Just wants to keep in touch and hopes to see me again…soon. No more contact with Grinder #1. Think he got the message I wasn’t interested. Bee and I are continuing to communicate. He says he wants to be boyfriends whether I send him money or not. I am trying to keep an open mind and positive attitude, but really just waiting to see what happens. He has been very attentive with messages and been careful not to mention or refer to anything in regards to his finances. I am very careful not to ask or bring it up at all. Contemplating a possible return to Thailand in February for two months, but made no definite plans as of now. Just taking a wait and see approach at the moment.
    14 points
  15. I had quite the opposite experience recently. I held on tightly (and properly) to a motocy taximan around the waist. Then he took my hand and put it down on his crotch. Of course I was quite shocked, but I didn't protest too much. I think for him it was one way of elevating his...tip. And it worked. And no I didn't report him.
    14 points
  16. I see that Shamelesmack (or Macaroni as he is known on this Forum) is back posting on his blog, and he has put up an updated set of maps of the Silom Area on his blog. Always handy to consult before you travel, he has a subtle colour coding for the massage places that is particularly useful. Map of Silom-Surawong area, October 2025 – ShamelessMack2
    14 points
  17. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 11 Ayutthaya Our day started with an early morning (6:30am!) coach ride to visit Ayutthaya, Thailand's historic core, now an intriguing archaeological park with palace, temple, and statue ruins. Highlights of the day were visits to Wat Maha That and Wat Lokayasutharam. We probably had about four hours exploring the ancient grounds. Our tour guide was excellent and provided a lot of interesting historical information that helped put things in better perspective for me. I had visited Ayutthaya previously with my Thai friends, but even they do not know all of the history. For them it was just a visit to some old ruins, but they could not provide any context. While I enjoyed visiting with my friends, I appreciated this experience more because of the historical information. Next, we had a cruise back to Bangkok, savoring a buffet lunch with Chao Phraya River views, local scenes, and landmarks like the Royal Grand Palace and Wat Arun. It was a full day, with plenty of walking, but well worth the repeat visit. The tour company used Grand Pearl cruise, and the food was excellent and plentiful. It is a smaller boat, so only our group was on board for the lunch and cruise back to Bangkok. I’ve done a dinner river cruise in Bangkok before that was large, packed like sardines, and the food so-so. We returned to the hotel around 5:30pm, so I sent a text to Bee right away. He is still working, but will come to the hotel when he finishes for the day so we can spend a little time together tonight before the bus leaves Bangkok in the morning. Last night in the city. Had Bee not been available, I was considering a visit this evening to FaFa, but would prefer to spend my time with Bee. Walked to a Subway just down the street from my hotel and picked up sandwiches and soda we can share together in the room. Would prefer to do that than leave, run around trying to find a place to eat, order, wait for food, etc., all of which cuts into my quality alone time with him. lol.
    14 points
  18. neyger

    Thailand trip November 2025

    Bangkok Day activities: A visit to the Mahanakhon skyscraper. The view is impressive, as is the skywalk. bicycle tour by night. Great experience, but I prefer the day tour. Bars: Fresh boys: great selection of boys and I loved the show (only one ladyboy lip-syncing act). I invited #19 and #28 to sit with me. #19 was very cute but top only. I would have taken #28 if it was any cheaper (asked for 3000 baht). Not sure if that's normal practice, but the papasan said that I had to pay the full amount to the bar, including the tip for the boy (?). Maybe I misunderstood. Good boy: good selection of boys but I arrived just before the show started. I lran away after three kathoey acts. Golden Cock: The door was open, but the bar was empty. No one in sight. I left after 5 minutes. Super A: I was the only customer. Drinks are 200 baht and the off fee is 500 baht. The guys are fully clothed, one of them attractive. I invited him to sit with me, and he immediately unbuckled his belt to get a better look at his goods. He's straight, but "can do anything." I put that to the test, and we went to the hotel, and what a surprise... The best sex I've had all week. He's an enthusiastic kisser and loved being fucked. He asked for 1500, but I gave him 2000. Sometimes you find what you're looking for where you least expect it. Massages: Avalon massage: A cute guy comes up to me and says, "Massage, please, sir." I can't resist (massage 685 baht). I really enjoyed the massage. Then came the question I was hoping for: "Would you like something extra?" We discussed the details and the price (a 2,000 baht tip), and he undressed. He insisted we be very quiet, as there were other customers getting a massage in the same room (seperated by curtains). I really tried to be quiet, but I think I failed miserably. It was very enjoyable, anyway. oneSpa (saphan kwai): I chose "Min" a guy from Myanmar who could bottom. Special offer, 1 hour 499 baht. Minimum tip 1000 baht. Luckily, I paid an extra 100 baht for the VIP room, because if that was a VIP room, I don't want to know what the regular rooms look like. The massage was better than expected, with a pleasant body-to-body massage. As soon as I turned over, the real fun began. Min turned out to be a very enthusiastic bottom. We showered together at the end. From start to finish, 70 minutes. Highly recommended. Grindr: Probably a coincidence, but the money boys were much more responsive than in Pattaya. I got one boy into my room within five minutes of our conversation. I ended up meeting two boys, paying them 1,200 and 1,500 baht respectively. Both were okay. ---- I had a wonderful trip to Thailand. It was great to be back and see how things have changed. Some for the better (Jomtien Complex), some for the worse (Sunee, Boystown). After visiting Colombia often over the past five years, it was good to have a change of scenery. Will I go back? Definitely, but my next trip will be to Colombia again. Thailand has so many advantages over Colombia. It's very safe, the food is great, the hotels are cheap and high-quality, you can get a good massage, and it's very easy to find a money boy... But what I miss most in Thailand is what they call "morbo" in Colombia. It's hard to describe, but the sex is just hotter, more intense, more passionate. And there's a lot of kissing (more than half of the guys in Thailand didn't want to kiss). I also miss the long conversations, having drinks together, going out together,... With guys from South Asia it's just more difficult, because we don't speak a common language and I don't like using translation apps all the time.
    13 points
  19. PART 2 On my third day in HCMC I wanted to try Aroma Spa. This is situated on the western side of the city, nowhere near any metro station, so it involved a 30- 40 minute ride in a grab car, but definitely worth the effort. The Spa has a website: http://aromaspakhang.com/n3.html which helpfully has pictures of the boys on offer, labelled with their names. I WhatsApped in advance and persuaded myself to splash out on a 90 minute, 4-hands water massage with a 300,000 Dong supplement each for the guys to cum, which the manager kindly discounted for me to 400,000 Dong for the two to do it. So 3,200,000 Dong in all, but that is still less than a quarter of what I would have to pay 2 escorts in London for just an hour. I chose Minh and Chi Dân. When I arrived at the reception, the manager sat me down and tried to persuade me to add even more of his boys to the mix, but I managed to restrain myself. There was no need to use lockers here. We proceeded upstairs to a spacious room. with two low level massage beds pushed together, and a large bathroom with a jacuzzi style bath, and a flat large oblong bath for the water scrub. You could disrobe and keep all your belongings here in comfort. Minh immediately stripped naked and using a hand held shower started washing me all over with lots of teasing touches. I then had to lie on the large flat shallow bath for an enervating salt scrub, front and back. After they had towelled me down they led me to the massage bed and both boys stared kissing my chest, and on we went from there, with exquisite pleasures of sucking, both guys fucking me, passioate kissing, finally both came in my mouth. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. After that I just had to return before leaving HCMC, so on my last full day I headed back to Aroma at around 5pm. I WhatsApped ahead to book Minh again (who is quite cute, thin and very affectionate) and another more hunky guy with tattoos called Dŭng. The Grab car journey was about 35 minutes, but in the brightly lit streets of HCMC there is always something to look at. Once again, when I arrived the manager tried to intest me in additional boys, but budgetary constraints meant I had to decline. On both visits, incidentally, I did not see any other clients at Aroma. I had the same spacious room again, but this time the salt scrub came after the fun, but we started, again with Minh showering with me and teasing. This time they both fucked me, but also Dŭng fucked Minh while he was lying on top of me kissing passionately. Seeing this was too much for me and I climaxed mid way through, but then they both came in my face later. After the salt scrub, they but me in the delightful warm jacuzzi bath, and Minh got in with me for some more playing around in the water (which Chi Dăn had done the first time actually, I omitted to mention). Afterwards, down in the reception, water, cans of a red-bull type energy drink (definitely needed) and some snacks available. So all in all truly memorable experiences at the place.
    13 points
  20. msclwrshp

    Bangkok Trip Report

    Grab I exited R3 Ratchada Sauna and waited for my GrabBike. Two guys, who were also waiting for their ride, checked me out and we talked. I had to use Google Translate because we had a hard time communicating. They were inviting me to go to G.O.D. but my GrabBike arrived, and the first guy I had sex with also passed by, so I got distracted. I just said my goodbyes to the two and approached my Grab driver. He was cute! Especially his eyes! Now here comes the cute interaction. His bike didn't have the passenger grab rail/bar so I asked him where I could hold because the ride might get dangerous... and he told me to put my hands on his broad shoulders. My heart melted a bit. I got on the bike and asked and made sure if he was okay with it and he said yes. He picked me up at a gay sauna so I was just making sure I'm not violating anything. He also made sure if I was okay, and to hold on to him tightly. I found it really sweet but I knew it was one-sided. He said he's not good in English but we talked a lot. He asked where I was from and I found out he was still in his early 20s. I told him it's my first time riding GrabBike without the grab bar and we both just laughed. The ride consisted of giggles, silly questions, Thai language, and some random information of Bangkok. Sometimes, I want some wholesome moments to last, and this was definitely one of those. I held on tightly as he accelerated. The whole ride took around 20-25 minutes and he dropped me off near my hotel. We said our goodbyes and when I looked back, he was still there. Should I grab this opportunity and ask him to eat with me? I was hesitant and continued to walk towards the lobby. I looked back again and he was still there. I approached him and told him I'll just buy food at the convenience store and we said our goodbyes again. Then he drove off and passed me. He said goodbye again and his eyes were smiling under his helmet. I watched him fade away from my sight. I wanted to be his friend, maybe get to know him more, but I let that opportunity slip away. And I knew deep down it's just one-sided. I don't know if I'll ever meet him again, it's probably a .0001% chance, but my hopes are high. To be continued...
    13 points
  21. msclwrshp

    Bangkok Trip Report

    History of Massages A female staff at the reception welcomed me upon arriving and she was quite cute, actually, my type. I told her I made a reservation and she checked and confirmed. My therapist wasn't there yet so I just waited. There was also another customer being accommodated by a good-looking therapist. I think it was Paopao but I am not sure. He wasn't as bulkier in person as compared to the photos. The female staff went in to prepare my room when suddenly another handsome therapist with visible tattoos went out to send off his client. He looked at me afterwards and asked something in Thai and I was confused for a moment. The female staff appeared out of nowhere and they conversed in Thai. I was then led to my room. I took a shower, then waited for my chosen therapist. I heard a knock and a well-built guy greeted me. His face was cute but not my type. His body compensated for it, though. He looked like the OF creator, Seon/Seon-u. I was staring at his body for a while. His arm muscles were bulging and his pecs were like trying to explode under his tight shirt. He probably went to the gym before meeting me. The massage started clean. I expected him to be good at it but I had better therapists. Pressure was okay and there were some sensual parts like swiping the hands between the butt cheeks. He told me to face him and the massage was still clean until he began to massage my chest and balls, rubbed my tool with his arms, and so on. The extra part was satisfying. He took out his phone and typed something after the wild tease. He showed it to me and the translation was, "Do you want extra services?" I asked how much and this was his price list: HJ was 1000. HJ while shirtless was 2000. B2B was 3500. I negotiated down to 2500 for B2B and he agreed. He undressed and I was internally screaming on the massage bed. He was so ripped! His nipples were protruding, his arms and pecs bulging, and I was just there waiting patiently for him, like a puppy. He advised me not to touch his face and hair and I just agreed. He approached me and I began to touch his muscles. His nipples. From his pecs to his rock-hard abs. Everything was rock-hard! His skin was smooth. I worshipped his arms then he went down to suck my nipples. He stood up on the massage table and I worshipped him like my life depended on it. I looked up and the view was amazing. And his nipples were so stiff. His tool was average but he had sensitive balls, so he kept on moaning loudly while I was doing the work. I got tired and lied down, and he did the work this time. I asked him to do some dominant stuff and he complied. I won't go into details for this one cause I asked for really kinky stuff. He was sweating afterwards. After the session, he got up to get tissues and we cleaned separately. He asked me if I wanted water and he brought back one. I gave him the tip and I talked with him for a bit. I booked a 90-minute massage but there was still 15 minutes remaining. He said he joined bodybuilding competitions. We went out of the room and said our goodbyes. There were other guests at the reception so I couldn't say goodbye to the cute receptionist. Maybe, during my next visit. Did I get my money's worth? 2500 got only B2B... well, it's steep but I went out satisfied. If you have extra money to spare, then go for it! Aftercare was disappointing, though. To be continued...
    13 points
  22. FIRST NIGHT IN BANGKOK I started the evening with a stroll. Through the various streets lined with boy bars and massage shops... What struck me was how quiet the streets were. Few people were walking around or entering the bars. I was therefore afraid I'd be the only customer if I went in. But when I entered Freshboys just after 10:30, it was surprisingly packed. The show wasn't anything new. It was mostly the same. During the big cock parade, number 31 caught my eye. Gorgeous body, six-pack, nice tattoos (not too many, but distinct. Chinese theme). When the boys went into the audience for tips, I naturally handed number 31 a bill. After I'd thoroughly felt up his body and given him some compliments, of course. Mamasan told me the guy was "top only." Unfortunately, he didn't match with me because of that. So I decided to try my luck elsewhere. Also, because I wanted to explore a bit on my first night and not pick up a guy at the first bar and end up back in my hotel room early. As busy as the Freshboys was, it was deserted in Tawan. Two other (young) customers. They both had a Tawan man sitting next to them, hands going everywhere, and at one dark moment, they even gave blowjobs in public... Exciting! But other than that... Most of the guys weren't my type. I'm into muscular guys. But lean muscular ones. And not what was generally "on the menu" in Tawan. There was one guy who did interest me, but he avoided eye contact. And I agree with @vinapuvinapu it usually doesn't result in a good date if you choose a guy who doesn't make eye contact and tries to get your attention or flirt with you. Guys (or men, as many of the Tawan staff fall into that category) are mostly on their phones, uninterested (except for two who did stop by for a chat), and one who seemed to have fallen asleep on the couch. He sat there with his eyes closed... It actually felt a bit awkward so I tried my best to finish my drink a little faster than normal. It was a little after midnight now, and I thought I'd try somewhere else. Only to find that everything was closed or about to close. Apparently, on weeknights in Bangkok these days, you have to make sure you've found a guy before midnight... Haha. Luckily, Grindr offered a solution. A massage therapist offered himself for the reasonable price of 1,500 baht for full service. He was able to walk straight through the reception to my hotel room without any problems once I gave him my room number. He was a nice, spontaneous guy, who was apparently a fan of 7-Eleven, because he had a large tattoo of their logo on the back of his neck. That tattoo looked familiar. But I can't remember the context. Maybe I saw the guy once when he worked at one of the boy bars. Or maybe I even met up with him on one of my previous trips... I asked him to give me a soft massage because I was experiencing some pain, and he knew exactly the right pressure so it wasn't painful, but you could feel that he was doing something. Satisfied and tired, I crawled into bed after he had also provided the extra service to my satisfaction. To give you an idea of what he is like, below is a photo from which I have cropped out his face. A successful first (half) day in Bangkok.
    12 points
  23. BjornAgain

    Sunnee Update

    Caught up with @floridarob on Wednesday as he’s in town for some nosh and a wander. Started off at Nano’s CheeseSteak & Burgers restaurant over on Soi L K Pavilion which is off South Pattaya Road. As the name implies, choice of 2 items, CheeseSteaks or Burgers. Meat all from Australia, bread made freshly on the premises daily. Closed on Mondays. Somewhat bloated, walked down S. Pattaya Road towards Tukcom, then left on the side of Tukcom, then first right, pass Relax@Me Massage shop, where ‘me colleague’ met last nights ‘masseur’. Business was quiet, 2 boys out front, with 1 working inside. Left at Relax@me, pass Helios, aka The Blue Door. Did notice only a few shoes outside, so again, not busy. Right at the end onto ‘Sip Chet’ then first left then immediate first right onto Pattaya Soi 17, then wandered down to what was called Nice Boys, now called “Boys NighClub”. An interesting choice of name, “Boys AlmostClub” or Boys LocatedAShortDistanceAway Club”. Same mamasan on the front door, and the ‘Old Woman’ was still there loitering. @floridarob briefed the mamasan to keep the ‘Old Woman’ away before we entered. A bit disappointed, last year the boys were in their underwear, this year in shorts. 5 initially on show, then cut back to 4, as one disappeared out the back, obviously we weren’t his type. 2 locals inside and us 2 farangs. Drinks are 200THB, Boys drinks 300THB, with Off-fee at 500THB. A bloke entered wearing a blue hooped T-Shirt, looking like a Greek fisherman, that was the extent of patrons for the 30ish minutes we were there. A couple of the boys were a bit playful and smiling, although one was mostly glued to his phone, ‘Me Colleague’ engaged verbally with them both, concluding 1 was slightly large, the other Thai average. The other 2 weren’t engaging. One of the dancers was late 30’s if not early 40’s. Settled our bill, with a couple of tips administered using the @vinapu method, you know who too, then took a wander. Left out of “Boys NighClub”, then first left, walked pass the past, the old “Krazy Dragon”, boarded up, in fact all the old bars / shops were all boarded up on that part of the Soi. First left the first right, and “Winner Boy Bar” neon sign was the only sign of any life. “Euroboy$” bar was shuttered, “Rainbow” bar was open, but no punters. About 5 boys in their underwear were outside, however all jumped to attention and escorted us in. No other customers, however, within a minute of sitting down another farang entered, shortly followed by ‘Phil The Greek’. Drinks cheaper at 178THB, Boys drinks were 250THB, can’t remember the Off Fee. All boys happily fitted the Twink category, on stage we had 1 grey, a white and 3 blacks, referring to the underwear colour, of course. Interestingly, we were offered cushions as we sat down! Did check they were presentable!!. The first farang that entered after us did call down one of the boys, so business very quiet. The bar is owned by a Dane who was back in Denmark, so apart from the boys working and the Twinky barman, the place was running it’s self. For what could be the last of the Twinky Go-Go bars, if busy carries on as it is, this will be closing and ending an era. Settled our bill with Grey Trunks (see photo), as he was the one in front of us the whole-time dancing on an overturned old industrial reel of cable, tuck performed, (above average) and mutual sharing of the finger smell. As we left after 45 minutes or so, did notice there were another 3 suitably attired boys outside, so 8 in total working. Grabbed a BOLT and headed to CockA2 for some serious drinking.
    12 points
  24. Alright I shall answer my own question… 🤣 Arrived in Bangkok just in time for Halloween! Glad to report that the bar shows have NOT been toned down, and still the same way I enjoy and remember them. Visited Jupiter and Fresh Boys on the night of 31 October (Halloween). The crowd at Jupiter was surprisingly sparse at 10:15pm with only three tables filled, and I was assigned a perfect seat right in front of the stage. The waiters were dressed as Annabelle, Chucky (and other fictional monsters I’m unable to identify), while the boys were in their jeans for the first parade, and white undies for the second. Tipped three boys who smiled at me as they walked past. Great face great body, I would have off-ed anyone of them! On the other hand, Fresh Boys was almost full-house at 11:45pm, with about 15 boys on stage, and 10 boys sitting with customers. The show began with a special Halloween item, where three boys danced fully cloaked in black. Yes, fully cloaked. Very underwhelming. But as usual, the show climaxed (pun not intended) with 8 boys taking turns to hit that pole with their cocks. Gotta mention that #25 really caught my eye, and he was the only one I tipped. Defined pecs with a huge apparatus, and adorably endearing with his awkward dance moves. I don’t remember seeing him previously (or maybe I just wasn’t paying attention)… Anyone knows if #25 is new with Fresh Boys? Might return again to off #25, but I’m not confident of handling that huge apparatus… WISH ME LUCK!
    12 points
  25. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 13 Kanchanaburi It seems there is some special event for high school students taking place in Kanchanaburi sponsored by a local university. Not sure of the event purpose, but the students are from Bangkok and I am assuming they attend a private school with English being the main language. Instructors were all native English speakers. This resort is quite large, so with the exception of breakfast this morning, we haven’t seen much of them. There is a Convention Pavilion on the property which is where most of their activities are taking place. Restaurant staff seemed slightly frazzled trying to deal with 100+ teenagers plus all of their regular guests. Our out today is to Hellfire Pass. Both the museum/cemetery visit yesterday, and this trip to Hellfire Pass were very emotional. We heard the harrowing stories of how the 500-meter-long and 26-meter-deep section of rock was dug out by Prisoners of War using no more than picks, hammers and their bare hands. Exploring the Hellfire Pass Memorial Museum gave me cause for some serious reflection. My father was in the army during World War II, and was stationed in the Philippines. As I was looking at the exhibits and reading the stories, even though he was not a POW I stopped to think what if he had been captured and sent here. Conditions were just horrific. It really brought tears to my eyes. It is quite a physical trek, about 70 meters down, but there is a well-built and maintained path. Be aware it includes many sections of steep steps, however. You also should come prepared with spray for the mosquitos. They are quite abundant and very hungry. Once on the trail, there are no restrooms available, no return services, and no water…so go prepared. You need to plan for more than just one hour here…we spent probably three hours at the site before departing for lunch. The museum and pass were actually built/developed by the Australian government. They maintain the site, and even pay the salaries of workers. We drove about 20 minutes from the Museum to a local restaurant for lunch of traditional Thai dishes: minced pork w/holy basil, chicken wings, shrimp in tamarind sauce, green vegetable and soup. The shrimp dish and green vegetable are unique or special to this area of Thailand. Soup was all vegetables in some sort of a tomato based broth, but not spicy at all. After lunch we headed back to the river for a long tail boat ride enjoying the mountains and jungle scenery, ending with a taste of culture at Mon Tribal Village. Busy day, but very satisfying as well. Group had dinner together at the hotel restaurant…a very nice buffet dinner with a mix of Thai and Western (fried chicken nuggets and baked macaroni and cheese). Depart for Sukhothai in the morning. And, of course, been chatting with Bee. Actually good the tour is keeping me so busy that it is serving as a distraction from not being able to see him again this trip. ‘sigh’ Heard from Sam at Paradise again as well. Kind of given up on the idea of anything with the cute bus attendant. He is always busy helping everyone and that's his job...I get it. Once we are dropped off at the hotel, the bus, driver and attendant all disappear. The only one we ever see around the hotel is the tour director until our pick up time the next day. No idea where those two are actually eating and sleeping. Besides...keeping my focus on Bee at the moment.
    12 points
  26. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 10 Bangkok Well, woke up to the news that the Queen Mother had passed away. Not sure what impact that will have on our itinerary for the day. This morning we are scheduled to go to the Grand Palace, but I suspect it may be closed. I believe we should be ok to visit Wat Arun and Thongburi Klongs. Was just about to hop in the shower when the power went off in the hotel. Pitch dark in the room. Was out for about 30 minutes. No clue what the problem was. Could have been an outage in the area, or just something with this building. The hotel room is larger than Ibis, but not by much, and little to no storage. You can definitely tell this is an older building. It is showing signs of wear over the years. Breakfast buffet was really very similar to Ibis. There was a mix of Asian and Western cuisines, eggs cooked to order, pastries, bread for toast, fresh fruits, cold cereals, juices and coffee. No idea about the cost of breakfast here since it is included in the tour package. Breakfast and Lunch is included every day, plus five dinners. Group is an interesting mix of people, but I find that always to be the case when I have taken other tours. Smaller group than usual, with only 22 persons total. Six from Australia…believe they are all related somehow, late 60’s or early 70’s and retired. Four retired females from Canada who do an annual trip together, again late 60’s or early 70’s. Mother/son duo from LA. Son is probably mid-30’s and mother mid-60’s. Lesbian couple from Arizona…late 40’s or early 50’s. Single female from San Diego. Four male friends from Orlando in mid-30’s who enjoy taking tours together. No hint whatsoever of ‘family’. Way too much testosterone in that group, and interest in the World Series. lol. Two other retired females, but don’t recall where they are from, and then me. Two of the Aussie’s have health issues and were struggling to keep up with the group today because there is a lot of walking involved. In addition to the Tour Director and Bus Driver, there is also a Bus Assistant to help with luggage, entry/exit on bus, pass out cold water, etc. The assistant is a handsome young man in mid-20’s I would guess and sexy as all get out. Had a difficult time taking my eyes off of him. Chose a seat on the bus strategically located next to the ice chest where he retrieves the water for everyone, always look him directly in the eye and thank him by name for everything. He always responds with the biggest smile. Not sure where the staff lodge when we are outside Bangkok, but need to investigate that a little more. lol. No surprise. Grand Palace was officially closed to observe a 100 day period of mourning and to prepare for the funeral of Queen Mother. I suspected that was going to happen, as did most of the rest of the group. We did get to see the Reclining Buddha and Emerald Buddha. The grounds and building that houses the Emerald Buddha were actually more impressive than the Buddha. I had no idea it was so small. Anyway, no real excitement to report. Had a nice lunch at a restaurant along the river not far from the Grand Palace and continued on our scheduled itinerary. Returned to the hotel around 5pm, so plenty of time to get into mischief if I decide to venture back out this evening. Some in the group opted for an additional item to visit the Jim Thompson House. Been there before, so decided against going again. Had a nice chat via LINE with Bee. Decided if I got back to the hotel tomorrow and it wasn’t too late, we will try to meet briefly one more time before the bus heads north on Monday.
    12 points
  27. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 9 Bangkok - Part 1 It has been such a very long time, I had forgotten how nice it is to wake up beside someone. Had some quality snuggle time before taking a shower together, then went down to the breakfast buffet. No problems, as when I originally made the reservation for the hotel I had booked for two persons. LOL. Call it wishful thinking. In reality, from reading various posts on the forum I decided it was best to do it that way instead of raising questions if/when bringing a guest back to the room. If I had a guest and they wanted to eat breakfast, it would be covered. If not, it wasn’t something I would need to actually pay for unless they were physically present. After breakfast we headed back upstairs, said those last few parting words with strong hugs and a few minutes of deep kissing and off he went back to Paradise. He asked me to send him messages from the US and to keep in touch when I went home. Assured him I would, and told him to let me know if he changed shops, changed jobs, moved, etc. During the course of our evening together, I actually learned from him that the guys who work in the massage shops are also available to ‘off’. Not all shops, and not all boys, but some. New piece of information for me. He said he will usually get one customer per day, but some of the guys don’t get anyone. Off fee paid to the shop is similar to amount paid to the clubs. For some strange reason, Paradise is 555 Baht. Such an odd amount. lol. Next time I will dispense with all the cat and mouse game and just take him straight away to stay with me. He said he never went off with a customer before, and also never did sexual things with them like we did…only handjobs. Of course, isn’t that what they all say? Color me skeptical. Feeling somewhat melancholy…a little excited about the tour starting and getting to see different areas of Thailand, but thinking about all of the fun I have experienced in Bangkok like never before and really hate to be leaving the city. Thai friends have invited me to use their condo in Pattaya during the winter months in Colorado and I just may take them up on the offer so I can spend more time in this glorious city. Bangkok and Pattaya are not that far away from each other. Much closer than Denver and Bangkok!!! LOL Need to pack, check out of Ibis, and take taxi to Galleria 10 off Sukhumvit. Had message from Grinder guy #2…the one I really like. We will get together later in the evening after the tour ‘meet and greet’. Seeing Bee again will make leaving Sam bearable. I feel like I should put a revolving door on my hotel room…or a post a sign that says ‘take a number. Wish this would have happened to me 30 years ago!
    12 points
  28. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 5 Bangkok - Part 2 For all my complaining of being tired, one would think that a quiet evening at the hotel would make the most sense. However, just decided to throw caution to the wind and scheduled an appointment for an evening massage at S’Sense. Wanted to check this place out since reading it about it on the forum and viewing their website. It was a fairly easy walk from my hotel…about 25 minutes. Getting across Sathorn was a little interesting. Yes, there is a pedestrian bridge, but nobody was using it. So, I just went with the flow and when the crowds moved, I went with them. Not my best decision, as the sidewalk from Convent Road crossing over to Suan Phlu was in the midst of a construction project and rather treacherous. When I sent a LINE message to the shop asking about an appointment, I specifically asked the names of their therapists who would be available at my requested time. I was trying to avoid the back and forth…is so and so available, over and over again. This approach did not work, though, as they just sent me photos of all the therapists they have. So, the first two I selected were off, third one was already scheduled with a customer. Finally, choice number 4 would be available. Perfecto…please confirm. It seems all of the massages at this shop are for 2 hours. I selected the coconut oil massage at 1450 Baht. They accept credit cards. Minimum tip was 500 Baht. Massage took place in a different building around the corner off an alley. Not sure how many rooms in either building. My assigned space was on the first floor. Nicely decorated, large table with built in face cradle, shower in the room. Usual routine now…shower first while therapist retrieves supplies, face down, started on neck/shoulders/back first gradually working down to feet. Therapist was very cute, 24 years old, Thai…gay I think. No hint of anything extra while he was working on my back. Flip over with around 45 minutes left of the session. Started on my feet and worked his way up the leg, thigh…inner thigh…now some brushing against key parts…then the question ‘you like extra service, sir?’. Surprisingly, 900 Baht minimum for B2B. I certainly wasn’t going to refuse the offer. Very sexy young man, but it seems the management of this shop limits what the therapists are allowed to do as far as extra services. After we had some play time, he showered first (too small for both of us), then cleaned the room while I showered. English was pretty decent, so while I was drying off and getting dressed we chatted. He has been working there around 2 years. They work 6.5 days per week with a half day off. I specifically asked if they do certain types of ‘activities' with the clients and he said ‘boss not allow’. To be honest, the interaction was far inferior to my experience at Paradise in the afternoon. Not sure I would repeat at S’Sense, as cute as he was. I look for more intimacy and interaction than they seem to provide. It has been mentioned by others on the forum, but I was asked before leaving to complete an online review. I didn't have an issue with the request. As I was leaving, discovered it was raining. Had planned to go check out Fresh Boys, but had no luck getting a taxi to stop, no moto-taxi anywhere to be found, and started walking back to hotel in the rain. Finally was able to get an empty tuk-tuk at the corner of Sathorn and Suan Phlu willing to take me to Ibis Silom. By this time I was soaking wet, so decided against going back out. Took a long, hot shower and relaxed. Will try again another night for Fresh Boys.
    12 points
  29. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 5 Bangkok - Part 1 Travel weary and age catching up to me. Got up and went down to first floor for breakfast, but then just been lazy and relaxing in the room all morning. Did a little reading in between cat naps. Checked email and touched base with family back in Colorado. Heading out to go exploring around Silom in the daylight. Sure it looks different than nighttime. Will need to locate Freshboys so I can find it at night. lol. Walked down Silom to the new Dusit Hotel as I wanted to check out the new shopping mall, Central Park. Place is huge, but I think that is deceptive because of the hotel located on the same property. My gut feeling is that IconSiam is larger than Central Park. It was interesting to walk around and explore a short while, but not really someplace I would want to spend very much time. Did enjoy lunch at one of the hundreds of restaurants…literally hundreds…in the food court. Certainly don’t recall the name, but had crispy pork plate with rice and was tasty. Oh, and on level LG, the lower level of the food court, there is actually a Super Rich money exchange. Very convenient to the Silom area and open 7 days a week, 10:30-20:30. There was no line and I had some USD in my wallet so just to satisfy my own curiosity I decided to try and exchange it for Baht. It was very easy. All I needed was my passport. Headed back to the hotel and thought I would check out Soi 4 and 6 areas. Walking down Soi 6 a cute young twink caught my attention at a shop called Paradise. Don’t recall seeing any mention of it in the forums. There were a few guys outside 9-teen, one person outside Relax, probably 7 or 8 outside Sun, nobody around Maha and 2 sitting outside Chillax. I initially thought I might try Chillax, as I had seen posts about it before. Out of all those shops right there together, the one who caught my attention was at Paradise. Was not looking for extra service at the moment. Just wanted a relaxing massage for my overly tired and weary body. Decided to try a body scrub and aroma massage for 90 minutes total. Have never had a body scrub before, so I had no idea what to expect. Not something I would ever get again, I believe. It was not an enjoyable experience at all, and I could not wait for those 30 minutes to end. It was actually more painful than relaxing. Anyway, Paradise had a sign up that they take credit cards, but they actually do not. Told the receptionist they needed to remove the sign then. I don’t know what their policy is as to therapists assigned, but I specifically asked and said who I wanted. Basically said it was either him or I would go someplace else. I can be aggressive sometimes! lol. Massage room was up two flights of stairs. Large, solid table with built in face cradle. In room shower, but not toilet. Adequate room for two in the shower with proper drainage and plenty of hot water. There was also a sink separate from the shower and an area to hang clothes. Lights were on a dimmer which therapist adjusted and the room had its own AC unit. While there was room for the therapist to walk completely around the massage table, there was not a great deal of extra space in the room. Solid door which closed tightly and floor to ceiling walls. Provided so many details as I don’t recall this shop mentioned before. Four recliner chairs on ground floor for foot massage. I did not see any signs of other customers when I was there. However, to be fair it was probably 2pm so too early I suppose. The therapist is 27, Thai and from Bangkok. I specifically asked his age because he really looked like he was barely 18. Since I have never had a scrub, I don’t know how complete or thorough it was. Nothing to compare it to. As I said, it was not a pleasurable experience for me, and I would never get one again. There was no hint of clue that more might be offered later on…at least during the scrub. After dry presses, he started on the neck, shoulders and back. I doubt he has had any formal training, but picked up pointers from fellow therapists or online perhaps. He gradually worked his way down my back to glutes, then legs, and there were some brushes in certain areas that led me to believe more would be offered. Knowing where the shop is located and it is surrounded by other shops that are well known to offer extra services, I would have been surprised if something didn’t happen here as well. Anyway, the flip, the offer, and we are off to the races once again. I don’t know if he was gay or straight, but he certainly was not inhibited in any way. The scrub and massage for 90 minutes was 1300 Baht; tip for B2B was 1500 Baht. Showered together at the conclusion, so extra points for that in my book. Amazing kisser. I checked and they have online Facebook and Twitter/X, but nothing updated since 2022. On X you can see some photos, though, that are pretty accurate as to the facilities. One negative…which is probably a concern for all of the massage shops on Soi 6. The shops all have back of buildings up against Bangkok Christian Hospital, which is undergoing major construction. Looks like they are building a huge addition. You can hear the construction noise inside the building and rooms. It wasn’t bad enough to be an issue or problem, but does impact the ambience slightly. This may only be an issue during the day time hours. We exchanged LINE info and may add him to my list of repeats before leaving LOS. LOL.
    12 points
  30. As much as I could fit in, plus cum!
    11 points
  31. My first attempt at a report here, please go easy me! I just returned from my latest trip to BKK, and my first trip since Atlas opened, I was very keen to check out the new competition to Tawan. It was a Friday night, the scene was quite busy, the outside of Atlas looks very impressive, modern, my anticipation was rising. I entered to find a very large and well appointed venue, with one customer, and 6 very ordinary looking guys on stage, 4 skinny fat, and 2 beefy (the beefy were a possibility failing all else) certainly no muscle. These guys looked totally bored, hardly looked at us, could not even raise a smile, not even interacting with each other.The other customer finished his beer and left, that left me the only customer, being totally ignored and feeling rather awkward. I called one of the staff over and interviewed them for a bit, I was told there would be no show and assured that Saturday night would be crowded! I wished them luck and headed to my beloved Tawan Bar... There I was greeted with smiles and guys asking me to flex, and flexing at me. The place was reasonably crowded, I was given my table in prime position. The guys ranged from twinks, to beefy, to real muscle. There were at least 4 guys that I would consider, one a very cute young guy with some good firm tight muscle, he will grow well if he wants to, and one bodybuilder just recently from winning several titles. He saddled up to me, was very attentive and spoke reasonable English. The guys on stage still look bored, and still using their phones, but they do at least look up, smile, and interact if you catch their eye. They also have fun and give cheek with each other on stage and with the staff in the audience. This gives the place the fun friendly vibe that was totally lacking in Atlas. Come Saturday night I returned to Atlas, same disinterested guys, no audience, so again no show....So it was back to the fun and frivolity of Tawan, where the place was busier than the night before, the guys even more attentive to see my return, and my bodybuilder guy got an excursion to my hotel I think I will give Atlas the new name of Alas.... I am totally at a loss why anyone would open a bar in direct completion to a long established venue and not only copy but surpass all that is wrong with the original! Both bars need a huge revamp (Oh god I could get these places heaving!) but Atlas is not going to survive if they don't act soon! Oh well, at least I don't have to change my user name
    11 points
  32. So I went to Wabi Sabi. The interior was very nicely decorated. Comparing the interior to Kmanspa that I went to last time it was much brighter and minimal. I booked one of the guys that was available today via Line. He was as gorgeous as the pictures say and had a fun masculine vibe about him. I decided I would go with the flow and enjoy the massage from this sexy dude regardless if extras materialized or not. I'm not a fan of the massage table because it didn't have a hole for your chin so after an hour on my stomach my chin and jaw were feeling uncomfortable. Upon entering he asked me to take a shower so I did and changed into a robe. I also helped myself to some mouthwash but that was in vain. I laid on my stomach and he began the massage. He had great pressure, almost too much at times but he asked if it was alright. He definitely brushed against some areas very strategically so I had a feeling I knew where this was going. It was booked as a two hour massage. At about the one hour mark he asked if he could use the bathroom and I said ok. About 13 minutes later he comes out and continues the massage. Twice during the massage he put me into very suggestive positions with our bodies entwined. With about 25 minutes left he asked "do you want B2B?" I asked what that means and he said body to body for 1500 tip. I of course said yes and he stripped down. He had beautiful tattoos all over his chest and back that reminded of the full body ones that the Japanese yakuza get. So sexy! So then he gets to work with a focus on my nips while he works my piece with his oily hand. It was great but it wasn't quite doing it for me and I knew we were running out of time. He had been turning me on so much earlier but for some reason his tactics weren't going to get me finished in time so I took over while he focused his efforts on getting me off. He had made a comment wondering why I wasn't nearing climax and I didn't feel like explaining. One of my hands was kinda touching his muscled tattooed arms and back while I was pumping away. I honestly just wanted to explore his body and maybe a kiss but he never got near my lips. Well I kinda kissed the back of his head once or twice. He then made an executive decision and slipped a finger into my butt ever so slightly and he could tell it was well placed. As I was nearing climax he kept pushing in a little more until I shot. It felt great. We went over time by about ten minutes but that's fine due to his long bathroom break. I paid him the money and asked if he's working tomorrow and sadly he's not. I may have booked him again but I don't think it wise of me to book him again tonight if I really plan on offing a guy or two from Freshboys or some other place. Now to get a meal somewhere and get ready for tonight. I probably need to go to the ATM again because I don't think my 10700 baht is going to be enough as I've already spend over 7k.
    11 points
  33. alexch

    Algeria report Oct 2025

    Hi there, I spent 10 days in Algier, Oran and share my story with u. Algeria is generally much cheaper than Tunisia, it requires a an expensive visa from US/EU Travellers and delivers more impressive but much less predictable outcome. Solder, 23 yo, Algier I meet him on fb and he was spoken absolutely perfect French. A tall guy with an unbelievable thick dick. Upon arrival, has was not able to express even a couple of words in French. He fucked me for a minute , cam quickly and started his bullshit speach about Allah. I gave him 3000 da (12 eur) and was happy to get rid of him Fruit seller, 20 yo, Algier Young skinny guy, quick fuck, pretty good french, grindr, he initially rejected cash offer while I insisted for 3000 da Singer, 22yo, Oran, Grindr (see pics) Quick fuck by any average dick, he arrived hard I offered 3000 da, he asked more without any reward Restler, 24 yo, Oran, gringr (see pics) Quick fuck by an average dick, 6000 da (24 eur) school boy , 19yo, grindr he loves drinking vodka and extensive fuck, he loves to dominate despite his soft behavior (see pics) 4000 da Thanks
    11 points
  34. I traveled here via Athens, Abu Dhabi then a few dsys near KL. in PP Im staying at Artgur and Paul (excellent choice, btw) and a guy at pool recommended a bar "Asia Cam Bar" about a mile away. The crowd was youngish, mixture of a few foreigners and a few 20 ish muscle types and some very, very 'me' twinks. I suspect some of the locals were looking for money, but it seemed non commercial. The music not so loud I chatted with a visiting Oz guy over a few Stoli martinis, made per instruction. A brought a slim, hopelessly cute twink back. He turned out to be a most enthusiastic, well equipped top. We parted company after a dreamy long cuddle covered in what felt like half a pint of cum. The whole vibe reminded me of Bangkok in the 80s. No money was demanded but a tip of $30 was obviously ecpected and graciously accepted. I'm in heaven. I will cherish that look of angelic ecstasy as the lad released his load forever. I also tried Soma Spa near Riverside. More (recommended, more on that later). I used to be pure top, but age and these Khmer boys is turning me into a cock hungry bottom. Thank heavens for PreP!
    11 points
  35. So last month, I somehow ended up in Bangkok again. Totally unplanned. This time it wasn’t a solo escapade but a five-day work trip with colleagues. Not exactly the setup for fun, since most of my time was spent playing tour guide i.e. temples, markets, rooftop bars, the whole wholesome package. But of course, it’s Bangkok --- ----definitely no way I was leaving without at least a little extracurricular activity and explorations. Between team dinners and pretending to be a responsible employee, I managed to sneak away a few times. Had to be strategic though, when you’re surrounded by coworkers, timing is everything. Since it was a short trip and I only managed a few of “personal errands,” I’ll skip the usual daily diary format of my typical report and just share several places/highlight worth talking about. 1. Arena When time’s limited, you don’t experiment. I went with a safe bet: Arena. Always been reliable for me. On a trip like this, a single bad session would’ve been tragic. This time I picked a masseur named Mark. Good choice, as it turned out. I picked him on instinct. friendly face, confident vibe, and that kind of smile that tells you he knows exactly what he’s doing. We headed to the room and chatted a bit. As he stepped out, I assumed it was the usual “go shower alone” routine, so I started undressing. Before I could turn on the water, he looked back and said, “Wait for me we shower together.” I just grinned ------ things were already off to a good start. He came back and joined me in the shower. What I thought would be a quick rinse turned into something way more enjoyable. He took his time washing , me all over, making it feel both teasing and caring. Not rushed, not mechanical just smooth and natural. When we were done, he even towel-dried me, which honestly was pleasant. Little things like that set the tone. The massage itself was fine, nothing earth-shattering, but solid. But the rest? That’s where he shined. He knew how to pace things, generous with his body and attention, mixing in just the right amount of playfulness. He whispered a few things in my ear that made me laugh and blush at the same time. And yes, he’s a damn good kisser. The whole thing felt easy and unforced, like we’d known each other longer than an hour. A few days later, I went back for round two. We’d been messaging a bit in between, so it already felt like a reunion. Second time was even better ...... smoother, more relaxed, and a lot more chemistry. After the second session, he was very gentlemanly and walked me out of the shop. When the lift doors opened, he suddenly leaned in and gave me a proper kiss on the lips --- like full-on, in broad daylight type. I froze for a second and then rode down in mild shock, grinning like an idiot. Bangkok moments, man. We’ve been chatting almost every day since. He sends me spicy photos and videos from time to time .....strictly for research purposes, of course. Still waiting for the inevitable “help me baby” message, but it hasn’t come yet. Instead, he’s been talking about meeting up outside the shop next time, maybe even going away for a few days together. I’m not saying no to that. We talked about daily rate and its within budget. He’s been sending some sweet, lovey messages lately too. I take it with a grain of salt, but it’s kinda nice, I won’t lie. All in all, Mark was a great find. unexpected, considering how little free time I had this trip. Definitely seeing him again next time I’m in town. Overall, I think I found gold in Arena!
    11 points
  36. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 15 Sukhothai I had never heard of Sukhothai before this trip, nor really knew much about the history of Thailand. Sukhothai is known as the birthplace of Thai civilization. Our day started with a visit to the UNESCO listed Sukhothai Historical Park where we had a chance to explore the centuries old temples and palace ruins. One interesting fact to me was that prior to Buddhism, many people were actually Hindu and you can see a mixture of both Hinduism and Buddhism in many of the old temples. Under royal patronage, Buddhism flourished and many impressive monasteries were constructed of brick covered with carved stucco. The Kingdom of Sukhothai is credited with the invention and development of many of the unique identifying characteristics of Siamese (Thai) culture, many of them attributed directly to the kingdom’s most famous and beloved King Ramkhamhaeng, who is considered the Founding Father of the Thai Nation. Stone inscriptions found at the sites provided evidence of the earliest examples of Thai writing and gave a detailed account of the economy, religion, social organization and governance of the Sukhothai Kingdom. The area of Sukhothai was also home to accomplished innovators in hydraulic engineering. They modified the landscape of the kingdom in such a way that water was dammed; reservoirs, ponds and canals were constructed; flooding controlled; and water was brought to serve a variety of agricultural, economic and ritual functions as well as to provide the towns’ inhabitants with water for their daily lives and protection in the form of city moats. From that day onwards, the kings of Thailand have been acknowledged for their ability to control the kingdom’s water. The Sukhothai Kingdom was known as a prosperous time and place, and in Thai history has often been referred to as a Golden Age, The Happiness of Thai, or The Dawn of Happiness. I highly recommend a visit to this area. We followed up our visit to the Historical Park with a foodie adventure…Thai Cooking Class. We went to the Baan Suan Suda Cooking School where our host gave us a tour of their garden with homegrown herbs, vegetables and fruits. Next we sorted out the different ingredients we would need to prepare our dishes getting to experience the Thai version of farm to table. At the conclusion we were able to feast on the amazing dishes we prepared: Sweet/Sour Chicken, Cashew Chicken, Chicken Green Curry, Stir-fried Morning Glory, and Pad Thai. We finished off with fresh fruit from the garden called Thai Lamoot…something new to me. After lunch we had two hours to relax in our rooms or around the hotel swimming pool before meeting to attend Sukhothai Loy Krathong Festival. With roots going back over 700 years, this ancient festival honors the water goddess and carries deep cultural meaning. A unique part of the celebration is Phao Thian Len Fai— the lighting of candles and fireworks displays as well as various forms of live entertainment. I assume this tradition must be a part of Thai identity and cultural pride, similar to the festivals scheduled to take place in Bangkok (Light Show) and Pattaya (Fireworks). Celebrations have been toned down somewhat due to the passing of the Queen Mother, so there were no fireworks displays, but plenty of candle lighting and other light displays. We saw intricate krathonhs, sky lanterns and even historical recreations from King Ramkhamhaeng’s era. Enjoyed many different types of food from street vendors for dinner. Continue to communicate with Paradise Sam and boyfriend Bee on a daily basis. Just taking things slowly, day by day...see where it goes.
    11 points
  37. He's 19 (I asked), and I wouldn't say he's particularly attractive, just a nice young guy. It was a bit of a strange situation. At first, his father tried to sell me perfume by rubbing it all over my hands. I was sitting, and he was standing right in front of me, with a distinct bulge under his white dress. Of course, he noticed I was looking there sometimes. But then I started haggling (I can't stop, and usually the salespeople are ready to kill me), and in the end, the price was pretty low. That's when he brought his son, introduced us, and left the shop, standing outside. The boy tried to sell me all sorts of useless things, and then offered to come to my place and have sex. But my hotel didn't allow guests, so I wasn't too keen on the idea. I continued sitting, and he decided to show me a papyrus. He turned off the light, unfolded the image, and shone a flashlight on it (I'm not sure why they do that). While I was looking, he lifted his dress, pulled down his underwear, and began to show me his cock. It was a neat, medium-sized brown dick with a beautiful head. The boy took my hand and placed it on his dick, which was already rock-hard. Then he whispered, "Papyrus for 30 euros, and my juice as a gift." By this time, I was already very aroused, sank to the floor, and began sucking him off. At first, he simply stood there, but then he grabbed my head and began to fuck, driving his cock deeper. After a few of minutes, he inserted it all the way inside and, without letting go, came violently with a small groan. He tucked his cock in, called his father for me to pay, and left. I took the papyrus and perfume, and on the way out, his father told me to come back tomorrow. He stood behind me, grabbed my hips, and pressed his hand against my back (I was slightly bent over). Then he made a sharp movement, as if thrusting his dick into my ass. He patted me on the back and, smiling, walked me to the door. Sorry for the long text, sometimes it's hard for me to be brief
    11 points
  38. msclwrshp

    Bangkok Trip Report

    Prior to my visit, I researched on which saunas to go. The nearest to my hotel were Maxwell and Sauna Mania. Add Ensen Onsen to that. The others were extremely far, but I got intrigued by Krubb and R3 Ratchada Sauna. "So where should I go first?" I asked myself. R3 Ratchada Sauna I went to R3 Ratchada Sauna without any expectations. I was given the key and lock at the reception, and I proceeded upstairs. I received a small towel from the staff beside the stairway and he helped me find my locker. I awkwardly stripped down, put my valuables and clothes inside the locker, and then headed upstairs. A water dispenser and a big mirror. A gym?! A door leading to a dark maze and a staircase leading up to another dark maze. I was trying to familiarize myself with the place. Then the last floor had the bar, sauna, and shower area. There were naked young guys on every floor, mostly fit, and I guess most were Thai. I could also hear groups of Chinese talking with each other. I took a shower again and then headed downstairs to the dark maze. I did one round of looking around, to learn the maze better. It's not that big and some parts were pitch-black. Some areas were lit with red lights and near the stairs, blue. I tried to lean on the wall near the stairs when this tall, cute and muscular Thai approached me. He had cornered me. He talked to me in Thai and I told him I couldn't understand. He giggled and switched to English. He asked the basic questions like where I'm from, then he asked if I'm top or bottom, I said I can do both. He smiled more as I returned the question. He said he was top. I touched his tool and it was freaking hard and huge. Bigger than the therapist in Klover. He licked and kissed my neck and he was so good at it! People started to flock, so he invited me to the private room. I was like his princess—he told me to follow him, held my hand tightly, looked back to know if I was still there, and then we entered the small room. Everything happened so fast. I ate him and he moaned loudly. He began to penetrate me and I said slowly please. It took several tries and we finally began the battle. We did various positions and we were heavily breathing, and his sweat dripped like crazy! He ate my nipples, kissed me passionately, drilled me hard, and the view of his cute face and muscular body turned me on more. We then changed positions. He lied down and I did all the work. I was so into it that I unconsciously choked and slapped his face. I said sorry afterwards. He said it was okay but he drilled harder and harder! Was it his revenge? He said he's almost there and he released inside me while I was on top of him. With condom and both of us were on PrEp. We cleaned ourselves and went out of the small room. People looked at us as we headed to the shower area. We talked a bit in the showers and I told him I'm going downstairs again. I explored the maze again and there was this toned guy showing off his huge hard-on. Bigger than the first guy. I walked past him and touched it out of curiosity, but guess what? We ended up in the private room. This time it was pleasure and pain. He was so good at kissing and foreplay. It took some time for his tool to fully enter me even though it was already opened by the first guy. He was very rough and it was both pleasure and pain. I moaned loudly. We did various positions until I got tired. He wanted to continue, maybe wanted to cum, but I told him I'm okay already and couldn't take it anymore. He understood so we went out and people looked at us again. We both headed to the showers and cleaned ourselves. I went downstairs and he was there, trying to look for another target. I wasn't tired yet so I roamed around the maze again. I met the first guy resting and he slapped my butt. I kept on greeting the first and second guy every time we crossed paths. When my feet got tired, guys who were my type arrived. I touched them, they touch me. And some, we just stared at each other. Some tried to grab me, especially those who saw me walk out of the private room, but I declined because I wanted to sit down for a while. After I rested, I went near the stairs then another guy arrived and immediately approached me. He asked politely if he could touch my arms, pecs, and abs. I said sure. He worshipped me while we talked. He asked if I could top him and I said I already did it twice, so I declined. I walked into the pitch-black area when this guy pinned me against the wall. I could feel his muscular body and he ate me like he hadn't had food for years! I was moaning loudly while he was doing all the work. I noticed that he wanted to top me so I declined again. Also this top from China approached me and I also declined. I think most were hungry tops looking for bottoms. I was probably there for more than 3 hours, doing sides, and then I met the first guy again. "You're still here?!" I asked him and we both laughed. I decided to go back to my hotel, so I showered again then went down to put my clothes on. I went downstairs and to my surprise, first guy was there! And he is handsome under the bright light! He was eating biscuits, I guess, and we said our goodbyes because my Grab was almost there. He was also waiting for his. We both smiled and giggled. It was awkward for us under the bright light but I'll forever remember him. We high-fived before I left. One thing I regret not doing was asking for his Line or contact! I hope I'll meet him again soon! To be continued...
    11 points
  39. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 4 Bangkok - Part 2 Interesting development today. Wasn’t sure what mischief I might get into this evening, if anything, after going to my afternoon massage appointment. Had a text message from the app guy who I ended up spending pretty much the entire day and night with asking if I wanted to meet for a late dinner. He would be finishing up at work and could meet me at the hotel around 8pm. I am certainly not one to refuse an invitation like that, so told him to text me when he arrived and I would meet him in the lobby. Wasn’t sure if there would be dessert after dinner, but I made sure I was freshly showered and ready for anything just in case. Went to some Japanese place down the street for ramen. Was ok…not great, not terrible…just ok. He enjoyed his more than I did mine, I think. His companionship more than made up for the mediocre food. After dinner we walked back to the hotel and he came up to the room for awhile. Attempted to watch some television, but didn’t seem to be anything available with English subtitles and it was just too awkward having him try to translate or explain everything. Finally gave up on that, did some cuddling and casual conversation before the culminating wild thing. He has to be at work early in the morning, so it wasn’t really practical for him to spend the night again. Walked him down and out to Silom Road so he could flag down a taxi, gave him one last hug, then back to my room. We may see each other again on Friday. Need to be careful, because I could really fall for this guy. I don’t know how @FunFifties did it. This is only day 4 and I am completely exhausted. Think I need a day of rest tomorrow.
    11 points
  40. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 20 - Chiang Mai Today I will meet Woody from Siam Roads. Originally we were going to connect the next day, but as a convenience to us both we agreed to change the day. Woody was great at communication, and picked me up at the Empress Hotel on the agreed upon time. I specifically wanted to visit an elephant sanctuary, so that was first on the agenda. It was about an hour drive outside of Chiang Mai. It had been raining off and on during the time in Chiang Mai, so weather was going to be a factor. Fortunately, we had the entire morning seeing the elephants without any rain. Stayed here through lunch, and then Woody had a large temple complex he thought I would be interested in seeing. Quite impressive, I agree, and glad he suggested it. Returned to the city late afternoon and went by Classic House where I was able to get a massage (yes, with extra service). That definitely helped to lift my spirits, but also spending time with Woody was nice and a good distraction from the Bangkok drama. Went to a really nice night market where we had some dinner together before returning to the Empress for some much needed rest. Highly recommend Woody’s tour guide services to anyone planning to visit Northern Thailand.
    10 points
  41. Kaikan Onsen: First Impressions Straight away you’ll notice how different Kaikan feels compared with some of the older saunas in Bangkok like Sauna mania. There’s a modern sleekness to the building, a strong Japanese aesthetics/minimalist vibe. Plenty of pools and zones, a real men‑only playground. It has a spacious main pool and a long jacuzzi pool beside it. It is the only onsen style men facility with outdoor pool in Bangkok. All others are entirely indoors. The Crowd & Vibe This place is not cliquey in the way that some places can feel (“you must know someone, you must be part of a group…”). It leans open and inclusive. Body types? Everything from lean twinks to more mature guys, a lot in their 30s to 40s, comfortable in their bodies, relaxed rather than hyper‑sculpted. With an occasional bear. Age range seems broader too, older guys show up, they mix in, and there’s less of that “everyone must be 23 and ripped” pressure than in some rivals. Please do your research on the onsens before you go. Ryuu onsen for example is notorious in being cliquey and making those who don’t fit their criteria feel unwelcome. While the onsens in Bangkok does not have clear age boundaries like many saunas in Japan. That does not mean you are made to feel welcome everywhere (!) Facilities Worth Mentioning Outdoor pool: one of the few gay men‑only onsen/sauna venues in Bangkok that features a proper outdoor pool area. Multiple zones: steam room, sauna, milky bath, cold pool, and a “cave”‑style milky pool that gets a lot of thumbs up for mood. Lockable cabins and private rooms upstairs, good for chilling or more discreet chats. The place is “busy but not chaotic” and the crowd “friendly, educated”. Please bring condoms and lube if you intend to spend early time in the lockable or not so lockable cabins upstairs. If you want to attend the secret hour, then lube and condoms are provided free of charge. The “Secret Hour” There’s a special moment from around 8:30 pm upstairs where things shift. Models in glowing necklaces appear; and are available for fun in public. The vibe becomes more party‑charged, play enters into the mix, orgiastic. If you’re comfortable with more “social” or “interactive” atmospheres, this is when the scene deepens. Pro Tips: Arrival earlier in the evening gets you better space in the pool areas; if you turn up late, you might find the premium spots taken. While the place feels inclusive, staff are a bit tight lipped. Pricing is transparent but premium compared with some older saunas (450B during weekend). Also be aware of the day (complete nude day etc check their facebook beforehand) Also you will be informed which models will be attending the secret hour. I will not review the facilities in depth as this has been done on YouTube:
    10 points
  42. xpaulo

    Trip Report: Silom

    Ha,ha.. I am also wrapping up a two day visit to Bangkok. Huge thanks to the commenters who recommended Arena. Ten seconds after my walking in, a guy walked in from an adjoining room and I pointed and said "Him" as he was the only guy there with facial hair which for some reason has become really important to me. As it turned it out he's exactly what I was hoping for, older, he says 40, with a ruggedly handsome face, a flat belly with some visible abs and beautiful brown skin. He's very pleasant and delightfully comfortable to be with. He says he grew up in farming country a few hours from Bangkok and showed me a couple of staged photos from when he was young in a farm field in traditional Thai clothing. He is exceptionally handsome in the photos and I asked if he had wanted to get into modeling and he nodded yes, but I'm not sure he understood me. When I asked he said he has a girlfriend. We've had two very enjoyable meetings and I will see him again tomorrow before my flight. I was also at Fresh Boy last night. I went about 9:30. I suppose old fat tourists are a target because they sat me in the front row in front of the stage. The guys were lined up doing a rotation on the stage. Most were too twinky for me, but one in his 20s started making faces and gestures at me and later sat with me for a drink. He said his name is Noah. He did a solo dance number as a cowboy and was a back up dancer a bit later. I told him I couldn't stay up to 1 am and he waved over a fixer guy. We settled on 3,000 for Noah, the house fee and a room upstairs. I assume they assumed it wouldn't take long for Noah get back downstairs and they were right. But I left happy, He's a sexy guy and I got a mouthful of sweet leche. I'm not sure if it's @Olddaddy who often mentions the breakfast special at Foodland. But I went there this morning to get as much of the GayGuides Bangkok experience as possible. The Grab experience at the airport was chaos but once I realized the number on my confirmation was the car's license plate I calmed down and it went smoothly. Extra special thanks to @floridarob who has been so helpful and patient with me in answering questions about Asian destinations. It made a big difference for my first stop in Bali and several 'massage'nfun' guys can also be grateful. Cambodia is next.
    10 points
  43. Dannyxxx

    Trip Report: Silom

    Today is my final day in Bangkok. I'll check out of my hotel at 11am and have them store my bag until I'm ready to go to the airport. I'm waiting to receive some Line messages about which masseurs are available. Maybe I'll go to The Green for a midday foot massage that might turn into something more. I've got 3500 baht remaining since I didn't off that second guy last night. I did mention choosing a second boy to my Lao Freshboy last night but he didn't really react. I got the impression that he preferred me all to himself or did not want to top a boy for me. Maybe next time! I promised to let him know before my next trip and he's looking forward to being with me for at least a few days then. We didn't agree on a price yet but I'm sure we'll come to an understanding and I'll obviously cover the off fees and all expenses during the time he is with me plus maybe 2k per day for him. A mini review of The Quarter Silom by UHG: It's my second time staying here and I've got to say I really like it. It's in a great location with tons of massage shops nearby. The staff have always been pleasant and I've never had issues bringing a boy back late at night. There's a fantastic pizza restaurant attached to the hotel called 90 Grams. I think I'll go there for lunch as I thoroughly enjoyed it on my last stay. There's also a nice coffee shop underneath the pizza place that I like. I always opt for the Deluxe room with bathtub and breakfast included. Both times I've been put in building 3 which is unattached so I don't even have to go through the lobby at night. Both times I've had a view of 9-Teen massage so it's fun to peak occasionally at the boys as they set up and hang out. I do think some of the boys are hot but I just get intimidated by so many guys looking at me so I usually just walk by and smile. The breakfast is fine. Nothing to write home about but the coffee machine makes cappuccinos and there's plenty of variety to where I can always leave feeling like I've got my money's worth. The rate comes out to $125 per night. They also have luggage storage and a bank ATM on premises. So for my purposes I'll keep staying here until someone on here convinces me to upgrade to something fancier. I usually only stay at Hilton's and Hyatt's because of my credit card points and free nights but I'm worried those hotels might be strict about joiners so I stay here. Haven't got a Line message today yet so I'll use Grab to get a motorbike ride to the MBK Center for some shopping before getting one last massage. I haven't been on the back of a bike for about 22 years since I was in Vietnam at age 17. Seems exciting.
    10 points
  44. Part 2 It is really a struggle to make an escape from my group at night. A whole day of playing tour guide is enough to get you knackered. So post sunset, even fun feels like a chore. After saying goodnight to my group and telling them I would be out for a massage, I marched my way to Surawong for a proper foot massage. I did not lie. What they do not know is that I went to the bars afterwards (that tiny detail they don't need to know). First stop was Good Boys, where I (and my wallet) were warmly welcomed by the lovely Emma and Tee. Tee looked much healthier this time, which was a relief after his health scare earlier this year. I was genuinely happy to see him looking well since I have no intention of coming back to the news of outliving my favourite papasan. I was guided to my usual seat and quickly noticed the low season mood. It was just me and a South Asian lady who I chatted with briefly before she left. For a while, it was only me until a few more customers arrived. The first show started about an hour late, which is standard low season Bangkok timing if you ask me. Then Boy appeared, my Vietnamese favorite from the last trip. He came over, smiled sleepily, and sat beside me without waiting for an invitation. I did not mind. The roster that night was not exactly inspiring. He looked tired and sleepy, and when I asked why, he mumbled something about being busy during the day. Nam, one of my previous offs, was also there. He approached our table, clearly drunk, and kept chatting endlessly until Emma had to move him elsewhere because he was becoming a nuisance. Boy explained that a customer had come in earlier and drank with Nam. It all made sense. Since Boy looked like he could fall asleep sitting up, I told him straight that I was not offing him tonight. He looked disappointed but agreed and asked if he could sit next to me rather than doing the rotation on stage. He mentioned he really wants to go home but apparently they have to pay a certain amount if they do that. I glanced at the uninspiring roster and agreed. It was actually quite nice sitting next to him, cuddled together, with him occasionally giving me a peck or two while I watched the show. After seeing the gorgeous Mai perform, my longtime crush, and tipping him during his rounds, I decided to move on. I gave Boy a few pink notes and made my way out. Before leaving, I noticed one of the mamasans giving Nam a scolding. Given his drunken state, I doubted it had much effect. As I stepped outside, I saw the handsome Mai, now fully dressed, seated on the couch by the entrance having dinner. Our gaze met, he smiled warmly, and waved goodbye. Do not judge me, but my forty-something heart fluttered. I admit it. Not ready to call it a night, I climbed up to Freshboys. They were also feeling the low season, though the crowd was a bit livelier than downstairs. I quickly scanned the roster and locked eyes with number 37, my unfinished business from last trip. He still looked handsome and jacked, but now wearing number 16. Our eyes met, I smiled, he smiled, and he pointed at himself. I nodded, and he made his way over. “Welcome back,” he said. I asked if he really remembered me, and he replied that I came last Songkran, talked to him, but did not off him. He reminded me that I had promised to off him next time. I chuckled. His memory was sharp. Unlike last time, he was more relaxed and engaging, so I decided to finally keep my word. As we stepped outside, I opened the app to book a taxi. Boat, his name, asked me where my hotel was, and when I showed him, he said we could walk instead. I was surprised but went along. He turned out to be quite chatty, and we talked the whole way. My opinion of him started to change. Maybe last Songkran was just a misunderstanding. At the hotel, we showered together, and I spent a good while in bed just admiring his physique while we chatted. The main event was very enjoyable. He really made an effort, took charge, and was sensual and generous with his body. He took his time, unlike previous offs who rushed to finish so they could leave. It was a big plus that he looked even hotter under my bright hotel lighting than in the bar. If only I were alone on this trip, I would have gone long-time with him. Afterward, we stayed cuddled for a while before he had to leave, making me promise that I would off him again. With his handsome face looking at me intently, I did not have the guts to say no. I promised. And yes, I actually did off him one more time - and I honestly think this will not be the last one.
    10 points
  45. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 12 Kanchanaburi Another early morning start. Departure from Bangkok was 6:30am once again. Everyone had to request a to go breakfast box and have luggage downstairs in the lobby by 6:15am so it could be loaded onto the bus. Will be staying at Felix River Kwai Resort for the next two nights. Tour Director said travel time would be around three hours to Kanchanaburi, and I believe most everyone slept for a big portion of that time. Upon arrival we went to the Thailand-Burma Railway Center, and the War Cemetery where over 6000 prisoners of war were laid to rest. I really don’t recall much from my history lessons about the impact of WW2 in this area. Yes, I know there was a famous movie produced about the Bridge over the River Kwai, but I never watched it. Walking through the museum exhibits and reading about how terrible the conditions were for the POW’s, I was curious why more isn’t said. We are constantly reminded about the European front and how terrible the holocaust was, but you hear very little about the Asian front. This stop was a bit of an eye-opener for me, and I want to learn more once I return to Denver. After a couple of hours here, we traveled to see the infamously named Death Railway. We had a delicious traditional Thai lunch at a restaurant near the train station. After lunch we boarded a local train for a ride with gorgeous views over the river and a journey across wooden viaducts. We rode the train for approximately 45-50 minutes before getting off. Our coach was waiting to take us to see the famous bridge. Had a chance to actually walk out on the bridge. The resort is located just a short distance across the river. Had a nice group dinner together to bring our day to a close. Fortunately, no early departure tomorrow for the days activities. Heard from all three of my young men today. Think they were checking up on me. lol. Was actually surprised to hear from the first Grinder guy. Don’t want to encourage him too much since I am really not interested. Sam from Paradise was just checking in, and chatted a few times with Bee throughout the day.
    10 points
  46. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 7 Bangkok - Part 1 Lazy morning in the hotel room while waiting around for my 13:00 appointment at Phoenix. This is another shop in the Saphan Khwai area, although a good 25 minute walk from the BTS station. If using Google Maps, it will get you to the general vicinity of this shop, but not the pinpoint location. Coming out of BTS, I think it is exit 3 down to street level. Walk past Big C to Sutthisan Winichai Road and turn left. Follow this street until you reach Inthamara 25 Alley. This is where Google will mess you up. It actually shows the shop located much further down Inthamara 25, when in reality it is only about 20 meters from Sutthisan Winichai. It will be on your left just past a food stall. They do not open until 13:00, and is a cash only establishment. To be honest, I am not sure I would want to give them access to any of my credit card information anyway. If I said Phetboy was a small, no frills operation, Phoenix is what I would describe as sketchy and dingy. Reception area was filled with young men all sitting around on their phones or gathered around a large pool table playing a game. I counted 15 young men just hanging out. Do not expect anyone at this shop to speak a single word of English. Be prepared to use a translation app. I tried to imagine from what I was looking at where they recorded the videos they post occasionally on LINE, because nothing looked remotely like it inside. Only one of the five I had pre-selected the day before was in the shop when I arrived. I really didn’t want to linger around on the main level waiting on someone else, and he was one of my five choices, so proceeded with scheduled appointment. They only offer one hour sessions, and no options other than basic oil massage for 600 Baht. Tip for any of the young men is the same…1200 Baht. Massage room was on the 4th floor. Not sure why we didn’t use the 2nd floor rooms, as they had just opened and I was the only customer. 3rd floor appears to be housing for some of the boys. Room did have a shower, and it was large enough for two persons. Adequate hot water and drainage. Large wooden table with thin pad and a very small pillow. Walls within interior and exterior of the facility are painted this bright lime green. Paint is peeling off the walls. Cleanliness is definite not high on their priority list. In other words, the facilities in general are in pretty bad shape. Also, some of the young men looked pretty rough around the edges. I know some people like that…just not my type. Therapist I selected was cute and a nice young man. 22, Thai, from Chiang Rai…that’s about all the info I could gather. Session started with a shower together, so you knew from the ‘get go’ where things were going to end up. Started with dry presses on feet, legs, back, shoulders and back down. Did this a few times for maybe a total of 10 minutes. Brought out a bottle of oil, then using the translation app asked if I wanted oil massage or ‘something else’. lol. No idea if he was gay or man. He certainly had very few limitations. Like I have so often found, many of the guys don’t like to kiss. Otherwise, anything I wanted to do he was willing and able. Would I go back to this shop…probably not ever. Cannot in good conscience recommend it to anyone. Would I see him again…if he worked in a different environment…then definitely. Just not at Phoenix, which is kind of sad because he could be successful at other shops. Anyway, decided I did not want to walk back to Saphan Khwai BTS so called for Bolt and took that directly back to my hotel to avoid afternoon crowds. BTS was also having issues today and trains were only running every ten minutes on Sukhumvit Line for some reason. Decided to contact my guy at Paradise to see if he was available for Round 2. He is, so will be going there around 17:30, then check out Foodland for dinner and thought I might check out one of the other clubs…possibly Hotmale.
    10 points
  47. msclwrshp

    Bangkok Trip Report

    Klover I entered the shop and was welcomed by a male staff named Blue. Or maybe I read his name tag wrong. I showed my booking confirmation and he told me to sign a waiver regarding the minimum tip of 500. He also let me circle the parts where my therapist should focus. And, of course, I circled my front body including my legs and in between, also my butt and lower back. My therapist went out and apologized because he was still preparing the room. He told me to wait at the waiting area inside the big curtain and I followed him. He was very accommodating and he also brought me tea and a hand towel. After a few minutes of waiting, he led me to the massage room and told me to shower first, and so I did. The one inside the massage room was just a shower capsule. I don't know how to call it. No toilet inside the shop but there's a public one outside. And no bidet, by the way. My therapist started massaging my feet first. His hands were really soft and he handled me gently. It started with a clean massage and halfway through he began to swipe his hands between my butt cheeks and it was electrifying. He continued to massage my back and his technique would go all the way from my back to the neck, then to my armpit, to my chest, and he would try to reach my nipples which made me semi-hard. And all that time I was still facing down. Just imagine what he would do if I faced him. There was a short pause, around 10-15 seconds, and I could sense he removed all his clothes. The transition was so smooth that we didn't even talk about the tip. He continued the massage and I could already feel the tension. My heart was beating fast. I could feel his breaths. Then suddenly he tried to insert his finger into my tight cave. Then he added more! My hand was near his tool and when I grabbed it... it was huge! It was thicker and bigger than Alex's. He didn't even tell me to turn around. I still haven't seen him since the massage started. He was so good at his craft that he slowly entered me without feeling any pain. It was unbelievable! He was licking and kissing my neck and ears while slowly thrusting me. I didn't want it to end. We finally did missionary where I could finally see him. He had a toned body and a cute face, it was one of the best sex I ever had! We did various positions and I even ate his tool after he washed it. We did missionary again and the rest was history. We cuddled afterwards and talked about life. It was very memorable. We showered together and then he gave me cookies and tea. I enjoyed the session so I gave him a good tip. We then said our goodbyes. And I told him I'll come back for him when I return to Bangkok. I only tried three massage shops for this visit so here's my ranking: 1. Klover 2. Jey Spa 3. History of Massages This might change when I visit Bangkok again. To be continued...
    10 points
  48. I never thought that the connection between Old Daddy and Peter RS would end well.
    9 points
  49. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    No contact from Bee yesterday. Either he has figured out this ship isn't going to sail, or perhaps thinks the lack of any contact will produce a change of heart on my part. In either case, the silence was actually a relief to me. Enjoyed my day with Woody on Tuesday, and he hooked me up at his shop for a massage. That certainly helped lift my spirits. lol. Ventured out on my own yesterday afternoon to AquaCNX. Will include a full review when I get home and wrap up the trip report, but for now just wanted to update everyone on my current 'situation'. Head for Chiang Mai airport around noon to begin that long trek back to Denver. Not looking forward to that.
    9 points
  50. jimmie50

    LOS Trip Report

    Day 14 Sukhothai Another early morning start. Our tour director has warned us that today will be a long travel day, as it will take approximately 6 hours to reach Sukhothai. This does not include stops along the way. First stop on our journey was at a roadside stand selling sticky rice, but unlike any other I have had in Thailand before. This was sweetened with coconut milk and sugar, mixed with taro or beans, and pressed into a piece of bamboo about 12-15 inches long. They used black or purple rice, and cook the rice in the bamboo over charcoal fire for around 90 minutes. Once the sticky rice is removed from the fire, the use a pick or hatchet to split open the bamboo. Using a spoon you eat the sticky rice directly from the bamboo. Very different texture from mango sticky rice, and this is always warm as you eating it coming directly from the charcoal. It was really quite delicious. Next stop was a visit to Bhutsaya Khiri Suvarnabhumi, also known as the Rock Buddha. This is an old mining area that was no longer used and a monk convinced the government to give the land to allow a temple and seated buddha to be built. The project was started in 2014 and completed in 2019. It was quite impressive to see, as was the accompanying elevated viewing walkway. The engineering required to build the walkway was fascinating. Next stop was at Kamphaeng Phet Historical Park, which I believe is a UNESCO site. During the Sukhothai Kingdom, this city was known as Chakangrao and was an important part of the defense system for the kingdom. Next stop was lunch at a nice garden restaurant ‘off the beaten path’ so to speak, with some traditional but different dishes than we have had previously. After lunch, another two hours on the bus before arriving at our hotel in Sukhothai. A good day, but kind of travel weary. Looking forward to a good nights sleep after our group dinner. Had a nice chat with Bee online before turning in for the evening.
    9 points
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