Yet another newbie

[williewillie]

Abang, I was trying to be factious and make a point. Of course, any working boy would not want to be buried under a

mound of farang fat, when he could get same or more money from fit Japanese or Korean.

As firecat stated, low satisfaction rate for farangs at Jupiter but we (old farangs) still chase the dream and don't like it

when reality stares us in our wrinkled pusses. I don't bother going to Jupiter and haven't for years.

So many old farangs really believe the Thai boy prefer old fatmen over fit younger Asians. Even those over 70 y.o. and

over 120 kilos believe and will argue endlessly it's true.

[ChristianPFC]

I have read information to the contrary on the internet: prostitutes prefer old and fat customers because they are less demanding and easily satisfied.

 

Furthermore, from some observations in saunas there is an inverse relationship between dick size and body size: fat people have small dicks and sometimes it's geometrically impossible to fuck (like these T-shirts they sell in Silom "Mission Impossible" with drawing of fat man and fat woman unable to perform a sexual act).

[Alexx]

Just imagine, you are a hot Thai guy strutting your stuff in a Gogo bar. Attractive Asian men under 40 are checking you out

and so is an ancient bald fatman.

In my imagination, most bar boys find neither their Asian customers nor their farang customers attractive. They go with them because it's their job and pays the bills. Simple as that.

[williewillie]

Easier no doubt but to assume sex workers have no preference is another old man dream.

[vinapu]

Them may have preferences like everybody else but still will go with ugly farangs for reason Alexx  outlined. The same like us, most would be rather on vacations but still we are waking in the morning and going to work.

 

We can only speculate what their preferences are if any, my guess would be young and busty ladies are their preferences.

[Guest xelon]

Thanks a lot Vinapu and Firecat for your tips! It is very helpful for greenhorn like me.  If i could clarify, the process usually goes like this:

 

1. If we are interested in the boy on stage, we buy the boy a drink. The boy comes and sits with us and we find out whether the boy meets our expectation

 

2. If everything is OK, how do we proceed? Just call the mamasan and pay the off fee? Does the boy have maximum duration he can stay? Can he stay overnight?

 

3. Pay the tips at the end of encounter.

 

I'll be going on 8 March. Will post my field report here! Thanks!

[vinapu]

Thanks a lot Vinapu and Firecat for your tips! It is very helpful for greenhorn like me.  If i could clarify, the process usually goes like this:

 

1. If we are interested in the boy on stage, we buy the boy a drink. The boy comes and sits with us and we find out whether the boy meets our expectation

 

2. If everything is OK, how do we proceed? Just call the mamasan and pay the off fee? Does the boy have maximum duration he can stay? Can he stay overnight?

 

3. Pay the tips at the end of encounter.

 

I'll be going on 8 March. Will post my field report here! Thanks!

1. make  your choice of boy on stage or in the audience / sometimes they circulate among patrons or are sitting somewhere in the bar

2. make sure you made eye conctat with him and generated smile / step not necessary but will help /

3. motion boy to come over or call mamasan to bring him to you

4. mamasan will be looking for a tip / 50-100 /

5. talk to  the boy, see if there's some chemistry, ask him if he will go with you, ask him if he wants drink, clarify of what you expect him to do, and how long.

If planning long time / overnight ask if he is available, some boys don't do overnighters /

You may wish also to clarify his expectancy of tip although some of us are not discussing that leaving to market forces. If he says ' up to you ' quite possible means he expects  going rate, may ask for taxi money at end.

 

6. pay for drinks and the off fee , grab boy and go to your hotel  or if you are looking for short time room , they are right there in Suriwongse hotel, boy will know.

 

On my way I usually ask boy if they want something to eat and if they do ask them where they want to eat / not necessary but will show you have a good heart /

 

7.Close the door and enjoy your encounter

 

8. Tip the boy , kiss him good bye

 

9. if boy stays overnight and I  liked him I always offer them breakfast in the morning, if they decline I escort them to the street  anyways, I think is nice not to leave them alone to stares of another guests when they retrieve their ID from reception   /again not necessary but if you like boy gives you chance to enjoy his company over meal with your knee toughing his /

[firecat69]

Just imagine, you are a hot Thai guy strutting your stuff in a Gogo bar. Attractive Asian men under 40 are checking you out

and so is an ancient bald fatman. What do you do? You know climbing over a hairy massive gut and worse being under 150+ kilos

of sweating farang is so tempting or do you pay attention to the much younger, much fitter and much more attractive Asian guys.

 

Maybe because you chose to work at Jupiter with an Asian clientele it might give a clue to the farang but not in the land

of dreams. Damn, sometimes reality rears it's ugly head.

I am getting tired of your constant reference to overweight farangs etc as an excuse for bad behavior by the boys. Yes a lot of the farangs are bald overweight and old, something I a relatively sure you at least qualify under 2 categories and maybe used to be under all 3.

 

The bottom line is the overwhelming % of boys do their job and provide their service with a smile and show a respect for their customer that is ingrained in the Thai way of life.

 

That being the case there is no reason to accept sub par performance from any boys and no reason to support a Bar that provides boys with that attitude .

 

If the boys want only Asian customers then they should refuse to go with others if they are unable to provide what they are being paid for.

 

There is an entire street of Lady Bars where non Asian customers are not welcome. I have no problem with that. That is their choice . But if you present yourself as available to provide company and service to anyone who enters your Bar then I expect to receive that treatment.

 

In no way do I mean that the customer is allowed to show lack of respect to the boys but if that respect is shown then I expect the boy to provide the service that he has been hired for.

 

If you show the boy respect and treat him well , you will be rewarded 99% of the time with a wonderful encounter regardless of what you see in the mirror!!!

 

Really pretty Simple!!!

[Alexx]

Easier no doubt but to assume sex workers have no preference is another old man dream.

Of course they have a preference. But given the free choice, most of them would probably have sex with almost none of their actual customers, neither the Asian ones nor the Caucasian ones. And that's the point, they're still there because they want to make money. And I'm with firecat69, if that's their job then they'd better provide their customers with the service they (reasonably) expect.

 

Given the free choice, most 7/11 clerks would prefer to sleep in instead of going to work early in the morning, too. Heck, I would prefer to get double the salary for half the work. Preference vs the real world, sex workers aren't all that special.

[williewillie]

I do harp on the bald overweight old farang for a few reasons. And I am bald,overweight and old.

I find it irksome when men who fit the above category , insist that Thai boys prefer old, fat and bald.

I find it incredulous that old obese men actually believe the teenage boy feels the same desire and

lust as they do.

I strongly believe many of us could avoid heartbreak and serious dents to their net worth, if they stayed

in the real world, looked at themselves naked in a full length mirror and remembered what they thought

of old fat men when they were 18 or 22.

Believing it's all different is for fools. Sorry to be a wet blanket but denial endemic in Pattaya.

 

I have the hottest young boyfriend who makes me feel like I was decades younger and I believe every

word he says and savor every minute we share. But I am a realist and have no patience for old men

who can't believe their teenage boyfriend robbed, cheated, attacked them and only wanted their money.

I can think of no other reason for young guys to have sex with fat men ,older than their grandfathers, than money

[Travellerdave]

Excellent summary of the procedure for offing a boy from a gogo. I would only add a couple of extra points.

If you see a hot boy that you are attracted to, act quickly because there a good chance that someone else will beat you to him.

This has happened to me in the past and I have gone back early the following night only to find the guy has offed the boy yet again.

I like kissing so I like to make sure the boy is ok with that in the bar. Also I check his dick for hardness - as I am versatile and don't want a failure when he tops me.

[firecat69]

I do harp on the bald overweight old farang for a few reasons. And I am bald,overweight and old.

I find it irksome when men who fit the above category , insist that Thai boys prefer old, fat and bald.

I find it incredulous that old obese men actually believe the teenage boy feels the same desire and

lust as they do.

I strongly believe many of us could avoid heartbreak and serious dents to their net worth, if they stayed

in the real world, looked at themselves naked in a full length mirror and remembered what they thought

of old fat men when they were 18 or 22.

Believing it's all different is for fools. Sorry to be a wet blanket but denial endemic in Pattaya.

 

I have the hottest young boyfriend who makes me feel like I was decades younger and I believe every

word he says and savor every minute we share. But I am a realist and have no patience for old men

who can't believe their teenage boyfriend robbed, cheated, attacked them and only wanted their money.

I can think of no other reason for young guys to have sex with fat men ,older than their grandfathers, than money

And your comments would be appropriate in a thread about falling in love or having and finding a Thai BF.

 

This thread has nothing to do with that which is why I resent you putting in your standard comments which in large part I agree with.

 

Save them for threads where they have some relevance!!!

[Guest Tball73]

I loved the stone table in the Hero VIP room! They use it for scrubs and a very interesting shower

 

Agree with firecat about Jupiter. Some of the boys there are pretty, but they are generally lazy and probably prefer to be offed by the many Chinese/Japanese female customers that have taken to swarming the place of late. Avoid.

 

Enjoy your trip!!

[williewillie]

And your comments would be appropriate in a thread about falling in love or having and finding a Thai BF.This thread has nothing to do with that which is why I resent you putting in your standard comments which in large part I agree with.Save them for threads where they have some relevance!!!

Agreed. Moderator feel free to edit out my irrelevant comments.

[vinapu]

 And I am bald,overweight and old.

 

I can think of no other reason for young guys to have sex with fat men ,older than their grandfathers, than money

I'm neither one of three above but slowly and surely getting there.

 

It's why I like my boys as they skilfully overlook those shortcomings and for small consideration are providing me with  their cheerful company. What they think and what their preferences are  is unknown to me but never ever one of them showed that he is at pains being in my arms or whatever.

And if sometimes they are lazy sandbags they are still there for me.

As long as they like my tip even now , far away I think about them and still  smile

[vinapu]

Excellent summary of the procedure for offing a boy from a gogo. I would only add a couple of extra points.

If you see a hot boy that you are attracted to, act quickly because there a good chance that someone else will beat you to him.

This has happened to me in the past and I have gone back early the following night only to find the guy has offed the boy yet again.

I like kissing so I like to make sure the boy is ok with that in the bar. Also I check his dick for hardness - as I am versatile and don't want a failure when he tops me.

In Pattaya yes  but in Bangkok kissing , groping and testing dick's  hardness in the bar is rarely if ever  done other then in Nature Boys.

 

As for rushing to beat others to  a hot boy I wouldn't cry if on loosing end - had my share of disappointments with hotties and like my rules - catch eye contact and generate smile, if not I tip hot boy 100 baht and move on. / I have habit of tipping hottest boy who was not sitting with me 100 bht on departure from the bar/.

 

Instead of testing everything I like a bit of adventure - to see how it turns out. Who said that all money must be well spent 

[vinapu]

 

 

Agree with firecat about Jupiter. Some of the boys there are pretty, but they are generally lazy and probably prefer to be offed by the many Chinese/Japanese female customers that have taken to swarming the place of late. Avoid.

 

 

no, if tempted to try , do that. If you don't try you will never know . Yes,  I was disappointed at Jupiter too but I suggest go with your guts.

It took me 9 trips to finally enter Tawan beacuse of mixede feedbacks, now neither very impressed nor disappointed at least now I know what I was missing and definitely will pay them visit next time, God willing.

[ChristianPFC]

My comments on offing a boy:

 

I usually do not involve staff for calling a boy over or talking with a boy, even if I ask staff to call a boy over, I do not tip (it's their job, their employer pays them already for being there and doing their duty).

 

Quite often, a boy agrees to long time in the bar and then gets a phone call and has to leave after short time, in which case I tip only for short time.

[Travellerdave]

I agree with your comments Christian. I try not to involve the staff, unless the boy does not speak English and there is need for translation. This can happen occasionaly such as when he comes from Cambodia and has had no education. With inexperienced boys I think its important for them to know what is expected, in my case being both top and bottom.

As to the phone problem - they need to be tirned off. I dont appreciate being woken up by some Thai music ringtone.

[baobao]

Furthermore, from some observations in saunas there is an inverse relationship between dick size and body size: fat people have small dicks.

 

As someone who has been around long enough to see folks age and gain a "middle age spread" I'd say it's not that they have shorter dicks, it's that as the layer of fat in the supra-pubic area develops it gives the appearance that it's shorter. Guys I knew when I was in high school who had a fine seven inches at the time now show only four or five. The rest is undoubtedly still there, but less accessible.  You'll see, as time goes on. Gravity will have its way, eventually.  

[bkkmfj2648]

 

ChristianPFC, on 25 Feb 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Furthermore, from some observations in saunas there is an inverse relationship between dick size and body size: fat people have small dicks.

 

Christian's quote got me to check some medical web sites to see if men's cocks do actually shrink with age and I was shocked to discover:

 

http://www.webmd.com/men/guide/life-cycle-of-a-penis

 

--> Partial excerpt - check the web link out to see the entire article  <--

"In addition to this apparent shrinkage (which is reversible) the penis tends to undergo an actual 

(and irreversible) reduction in size. The reduction -- in both length and thickness -- typically 

isn't dramatic but may be noticeable. "If a man's erect penis is 6 inches long when he is in his 30s, 

it might be 5 or 5-and-a-half inches when he reaches his 60s or 70s," Goldstein says.

 

What causes the penis to shrink? At least two mechanisms are involved. One is the slow deposit of 

fatty substances (plaques) inside tiny arteries in the penis, which impairs blood flow to the organ. 

This process, known as atherosclerosis, is the same one that contributes to blockages inside the 

coronary arteries -- a leading cause of heart attack."

[vinapu]

I'd say I rather die old with shrinked   dick than young with full sized, thanks God, dying young option no longer being available for me.

 

What I find amusing is that ChristianPFC initiated  discussion about  dick size while by his own admission size is not important to him when selecting boys, I belong to the same sect by the way.

 

nevertheless I found bkkmfj's findings interesting, thank you    

[Travellerdave]

I'm with you Vinapu on your view about your preference for dying with a shrinked dick. I try and maintain a healthy lifestyle with excercise and diet, and maybe this can help to avoid the deterioration referred to. I'm now in later middle age and whilst I have no measurement data to support this I don't believe my dick has shrunk. Prior to discovering Pattaya I used to visit Playa del Ingles a gay resort in the Spanish Canaria Islands, and there I mixed sexually with gays around my own age in bars and on the gay nude beach. I was not conscious of the shrinking phenomium.

I have never contracted a sexual disease but I worry about this when I have had oral sex with Thai boys. I try and avoid them cumming in my mouth and also I take the usual precautions of not brushing my teeth before and after. I had an HIV check at Pattaya Memorial Hospital during my latest visit and was nervous waiting for the results, which were thankfully negative.

Dick size is a little significant to me. I'm versatile and like to be topped during an overnight and like a large one, but not huge.

Sorry guys for going off at a tangent about health in this discussion.

[baobao]

I'm now in later middle age and whilst I have no measurement data to support this I don't believe my dick has shrunk. Prior to discovering Pattaya I used to visit Playa del Ingles a gay resort in the Spanish Canaria Islands, and there I mixed sexually with gays around my own age in bars and on the gay nude beach. I was not conscious of the shrinking phenomium.

 

In addition to the idea that fat below the belt can hide true length there may also be a little confusion as to diminished erect length as people age and flaccid appearances, too, I suppose. Some are lifelong "growers, not showers".