Non-offable boys

[ChristianPFC]

That was no pun, so I have to ask: "What's so funny?".

 

What I wanted to say: I will not get the boy into my room (into bed, my hands into his pants, ...) (=happy end), I will simply forget him with time (=peter out).

[kokopelli]

Peter = dick = cock = penis; slang. So no happy ending and peter out (dwindle away to nothing)   is a play on words.  At least in my mind.

[lukylok]

Last night some farangs were chatting in Sunee Plaza and

one related a recent episode at Double Shot, also in

Sunee. He had a drink with a host boy

and when he asked the boy to go with him, the host boy said "cannot".

This didn't sit well with farang and

several of us offered possible explanations.

Are the boys offable at Double shot?

From what I heard, it is the intention of the new owner to prevent his staff to be offed, to keep a full team until closure.

[Rogie]

I have been googling in vain for a picture of a sale of paintings to illustrate my point. There is a corridor with paintings, people stay in front of the and look and discuss, and one painting has a big red ribbon with white script "SOLD". All other paintings are still for sale, this one has been sold and the buyer just didn't take is with him immediately. You see this picture, find it nice, but you are too late. Now without this ribbon, you stand in front, find the price ok, marvel at how it will look in your room, aks to buy and someone tells you "sorry, sold already".

 

 

I agree annoying to spot a painting you like and see somebody beat you to it, but at least the SOLD sign alerts you and avoids the embarassment of saying you will buy it only to be told "sold already".

 

I don't quite understand your analogy of the painting and the under-age boy. He is not offable rather than being already offed.

 

To take it a stage further into the realms of the absurd, it indeed would be frustrating to see somebody you liked who to all intents and purposes looked offable, only ot be told "sorry that man in the corner offed him an hour ago but is one of our best customers and loves to watch other men ogling 'his' boy".

[Rogie]

 

Vietnamese boy still working there, with new haircut less attractive (anyway, if there are any difficulties, I quickly lose interest, it's a miracle that this infatuation lasted that long). There will be no happy end, it will just peter out.

 

(my bold)

 

Like Koko I thought that most apt, indeed a wonderful play on words (two kinds of slang 'happy end(ing)' and 'peter')

 

There are a few other male names that have a rude slang meaning, eg. John Thomas

 

Percy seems to feature a few times in slang terminology. Genital warts is one. And in cockney rhyming slang it means a grower rather than a shower. I would be very surprised if a non-Brit knew the reason for that!

[Guest luvthai]

I have some respect for the boys that say no as long as they say no to most everyone.   I have said no to a to a lot of boys when they would hit on me so I guess its only fair that some say no as well.  I don't get upset or mad its just the way it is.

[williewillie]

Another farang friend related that several massage

boys said NO, when he tried to engage their services.

He is a big man and was surprised

as he frequents massage parlors several times a week

and rarely has a turndown.

[ChristianPFC]

I don't quite understand your analogy of the painting and the under-age boy. He is not offable rather than being already offed.

 

(The under-age is your interpretation. I have no idea about the Vietnamese boy's age.)

 

Painting already sold (and marked accordingly) = not available for purchase

boy not offable (but undistinguishable from other boys) = not available for off

 

It's about labelling. The was amongst the other boys. If he had been waiter or DJ, no problem.

 

When I go to a gogo or host bar, I expect everyone who works there as boy to be offable. If a boy can't go with customers, what does he do in a brothel? It defies the purpose. He is in the wrong place. If you don't want to go with customers, go somewhere else! I go to bars to off boys.

 

Just imagine you go to 7-11 and at the till they tell you that you can't but that article. How would you feel? (There is a not saying selling of alcohol is prohibited at certain times, but the Vietnamese boy was mixing with the others, so there was no way to know he isn't offable.)

 

The case of a Farang who offed a boy in advance, but let him in the bar on stage for hours until he came to pick him up, was discussed long time ago. That behavior is not ok by my standards (this time the Farang's fault).

[Guest fountainhall]

When I go to a gogo or host bar, I expect everyone who works there as boy to be offable.

 

I suggest that's a wrong assumption that you should consider changing. What about the boy I mentioned who worked in Solid some years ago. He was clearly 16 when working as a waiter. Why was he there? I have no idea, other than perhaps he knew or was related to the mamasan, or it is cheaper to employ 16 year olds rather than 18 year olds. And as far as I am aware, it is perfectly legal to employ 16 year olds as waiters.

 

Also, go-go and other bars are not brothels. Brothels are illegal in Thailand. So is prostitution! You cannot make an agreement for sex involving money in a gogo bar - even though the sex takes place off the premises. Hence the practise of "tipping". It's a very Thai solution to an age-old problem.

[ChristianPFC]

That boy (Solid, 16 years old) worked as a waiter. That's fine for me.

 

I am talking about boys on the stage (gogo) or boys roaming the bar (host).

 

I assume you have to be Catholic if you want to work for the Vatikan (I don't know, just an example).

And if you want to work as a gogo or host boy, you have to go with customers.
 

It's not written anywhere, but I think it should be an unwritten law. It's not written anywhere that you have to tip the boy, it is assumed that the customer knows it. In the same way, I assume that all boys can off.

[Guest Enchanter]

 

During the hours when sale of alcohol is prohibited in Thailand, staff at 7-11 lock the places where alcohol is kept, and there is a note. You don't have to put it in your shopping basket and go to the till to be told "sorry, cannot".

You're comparing buying a bottle of whiskey from 7-11 to buying sex and intimacy from a living, breathing, feeling human being... Just like to point out.  

[Guest fountainhall]

That boy (Solid, 16 years old) worked as a waiter. That's fine for me.

 

I am talking about boys on the stage (gogo) or boys roaming the bar (host).

 

Sorry Christian, but that boy in Solid walked around, (chatted as best he could with his very limited English) and served drinks. I don't see how any customer could have guessed that he was not offable unless they asked. It seems to me that you want host bars, say, only to employ offable employees giving them zero choice. I think that's unrealistic. On the few occasions I have been in a host bar, I have never felt anyone had an obligation to go with me. A gogo boy, though, I always thought does have that obligation if I ask for him.

[TotallyOz]

Another farang friend related that several massage

boys said NO, when he tried to engage their services.

He is a big man and was surprised

as he frequents massage parlors several times a week

and rarely has a turndown.

Willie: I am not so sure that the reason he was turned down is because he is big. I am a large man myself and can't think of the last time I was turned down.

 

But, if your friend was an asshole or had a bad reputation or was known to be cheap, I have seen many boys turn guys down.

 

For all: I think so much of this has to do with personality and perception. I know that many boys often perceive I am a big tipper. I guess I am and thus why most vie for my attention. I do remember a wise man once told me that during slow season the boys go with the expat farangs more as they get little work but when the big money guys come into town they are often ignored.

 

Christian, I can't wait to get to Bangkok and find this guy that everyone is in awe of.

 

Enchanter, merchandise is merchandise. Some are more precious than others but we must remember that it is a transaction for financial gain.

 

For all: I had a very very dear friend who once ran the largest escort service in the USA for gay men. He told me that his boys were pros and went with anyone that hired them. But, there was one man who was so obese and smelly that even the finest and most professional of his boys could not be with him. Finally, my friend had to tell the man that he was sorry but that the service he was offering was not for him. When the client questioned this, over and over, my friend finally had to tell the man that the boys didn't mind the size but they could not stand the smell and the personality. You see, one must find something attractive in order to get aroused.

[Guest]

I like to look for eye contact & preferably a "please off me" smile in a gogo bar.

 

Now a few years back, in one Pattaya bar I had my eye on one particularly cute looking guy.  However, he didn't just ignore me, but he ignored all the other customers in the bar. 

Then another customer arrives & the boy sits directly opposite the customer, smiling and fluttering his eyelids. The "chosen" customer did not take the bait, so after about 15 minutes the boy goes back to ignoring the remaining customers.  Perhaps some gogo dancers are just picky. They are quite entitled to do that.

[NIrishGuy]

Assuming for a moment ( rightly or wrongly) that the boy just really didn't want to go off with you Christian  - for WHATEVER reason, but basically he just wasn't that into you, would you REALLY want him still to have to go just because you feel he should?  

 

Personally I can think of nothing worse than being in the company of someone who really didn't want to be there with you, never mind the awkwardness of then them having to go home and fuck you too.

 

And whilst it is of course simply a monetary transaction taking place I do still believe that the sex worker should (and must) always reserve that last basic human right of saying no should they chose to, without fear of any consequences from their employer or otherwise - and for whatever reason and not one that needs to be discussed or explained to the client - otherwise what started out as a simple mutual financial sex for money transaction turns into something much darker and unpleasant and something which is perhaps more akin to forced sex trafficking or even rape perhaps.

[ChristianPFC]

Assuming for a moment ( rightly or wrongly) that the boy just really didn't want to go off with you Christian  - for WHATEVER reason, but basically he just wasn't that into you, would you REALLY want him still to have to go just because you feel he should?

 

I would not want to be with someone who made it clear that he doesn't want to be with me. But there was no indication, the boy smiled at me and waved me in when I walked past. Apart from the language problems, our interaction was normal.

 

 

You're comparing buying a bottle of whiskey from 7-11 to buying sex and intimacy from a living, breathing, feeling human being... Just like to point out.  

 

I am aware of that, but basically it boils down to this when you go in a bar.

 

I have no problem if a boy doesn't want to go with me. My problem is that a bar employs boys who are not offable (the boy's choice or the bar's choice?). That might be just the tip of the iceberg, and there are more bars and boys that I just don't know of?

 

It deeply disturbs my belief in the bar industry. It violates my unwritten rule that everyone on stage (for gogo bar) is for sale.

 

Last year in September I was in X-Boys Bangkok, and there was a cute boy on stage who didn't pay any attention to any customer. After serious pondering I invited him for a drink, offed him and had a pleasant surprise (I entered the off with very low expectations). Another ChristianPFC moment: I want this boy again, but he left the bar! Out of all boys in Soi Twilight, there is one I want to take again, and this one is gone.

[Guest]

Employing one or two really stunning & non-offable boys as bait seems like a perfectly legitimate business tactic.

 

I've never seen a sign outside a bar guaranteeing all the staff are for hire. That's just not part of any implied contract with the customer.

As a result, any customer going out to the gogo bars should allow for sometimes buying one or two more drinks than originally intended.