Guest fountainhall Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 Cancer which is often not curable by meds and people fight hard to survive is not the same as someone deciding to take their own life. Clearly this discussion is going to continue as we have very differing views. Yes, you are indeed correct. Cancer is often not curable. But you will agree, no doubt, that many cancers nowadays can indeed be treated with much success provided they are caught at an early stage. That early detection is the key. Many older people (more of my vintage than yours) who die of cancer do so simply because they did not take the trouble to have relatively simple, inexpensive annual check-ups. I am sure we both know people/friends/acquaintances who are either in remission or are now cancer free. One friend my age was given a 10% chance of survival from leukaemia more than 20 years ago. Thankfully, he is still alive and thriving today. I do not know which cancer struck the late Mr. Booth. So let me just take the example of prostate cancer. About 80% of cases are discovered in Stage I or II when the survival rate after quite inexpensive treatment is pretty close to 100%. It is my understanding that diagnosis of Stage I or II is a relatively simple matter. Now, if a person suffering from Stage I or II has elected not to have regular check ups, treatment becomes more complex and the risk of the cancer spreading is obviously considerably increased. So into what group would you put these sufferers if they then fall into the incurable category? Are they not more like those who commit suicide - if only because they have "chosen" not to pay for and undergo check-ups? They surely cannot deserve as much sympathy as one struck down by, say, pancreatic cancer (far more difficult to detect and with a minimal survival rate beyond 5 years) if, due to what I would term their own negligence, they have failed to undertake a simple procedure that costs peanuts? I just believe you cannot put every cancer sufferer into the same category. In the same way, you cannot put every suicide into one single category. I am so glad you think of John and Margaret in the same way. You are too kind and I am sure he is happy you consider him so important. I am delighted you suggest I am "too kind", but I think you may wish to retract that. Did you read what was being said about Mrs. Thatcher on this Board?
Guest scottishguy Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 Can I respectfully suggest that a dispute/discussion over whether Cancer victims are more worthy of sympathy than Suicide victims is extremely unlikely to end in any sort of agreement and really has no validity. Ditto as to whether John Booth was a better or worse person than Margaret Thatcher. No offence but it's all becoming just a little ridiculous. In my view, it is simply a matter of the man under discussion - LMTU- being dead and no good purpose being served by discussing posts he made when alive, irrespective of who he amused or offended or how tasteless they may have been. Not attacking a man after his death is not the same as praising him and I don't believe anybody on this Board has made LMTU out to be a Saint - so I fail to see the need to correct an impression which was never given. Currently there are certain persons on the Boards who are still alive and who are currently promoting themselves for sainthood and martyrdom - so let's not worry about whether other people are being over-respectful to the dead ones.
TotallyOz Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 Can I respectfully suggest that a dispute/discussion over whether Cancer victims are more worthy of sympathy than Suicide victims is extremely unlikely to end in any sort of agreement and really has no validity. I agree. This thread should be about John and the positive impact he had on so many. Thank you for bringing us back on topic.
Guest fountainhall Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 I accept that sentiment. Perhaps others will now outline the positive aspect he had on "so many" - bearing in mind that not many posters on gaythailand.com seemed to know him personally - or perhaps I am wrong there?
Guest travelerjim Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 In light of the above discussions.... I believe my Expat friend said it best ... when he posted this message on FB shortly after John's Funeral/Cremation: My Expat friend has posted this message on his Facebook page...following the Funeral and Cremation of John Booth, LMTU Tuesday afternoon in Minburi:"Parting is such sweet sorrow'… just said goodbye to a Mate, Adversary, Friend, someone I’ve been close to for 18 years. RIP John. you were mad, drove me crazy, but we had a blast at times…God Bless mate. I’ll miss you…RIP xx" --------------------------------------------------- My friend said it best...."you were mad, drove me crazy ....but we had a blast at times" RIP John Booth, tj
ChristianPFC Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 The demise of John Booth (LMTU) is a great loss. I count myself lucky that I had the chance to meet him on several occasions in Bangkok and Pattaya.I agree with: “Call me controversial, but never call me boring” (his signature on another forum). I remember his post (on this board ?) about the suicide in Pattaya, just some months ago: "may his sole rest in peace". May his soul rest in peace! TotallyOz 1
Guest Kittyboy Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Maybe we should tell more truth about the dead... It might inspire better behavior in the living.
TotallyOz Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Maybe we should tell more truth about the dead... It might inspire better behavior in the living. Sounds good. Tell us more about yourself Kittyboy. Give us your life story and bio. We are all excited to hear about it and once done, we will be sure to tell more truth when you go into the great hereafter. I think that we could all learn from you and you may inspire us to better behavior. So, sit down and tell us all about yourself.
Guest scottishguy Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 So........the theory is that people will behave better in life lest they get talked about once they have popped their clogs? Personally, I'll be far too busy being dead to be bothered about the tittle-tattle of the local petit bourgeoise.
TotallyOz Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Personally, I'll be far too busy being dead to be bothered about the tittle-tattle of the local petit bourgeoise. ha too funny dude. My favorite post in a long time.
NIrishGuy Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 petit bourgeoise - the new diet yoghurt that makes you THINK you're SO much better than everyone else when you're dieting and is especially suitable for those that want to end up well hung ! :-) TotallyOz 1
Guest Kittyboy Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Sounds good. Tell us more about yourself Kittyboy. Give us your life story and bio. We are all excited to hear about it and once done, we will be sure to tell more truth when you go into the great hereafter. I think that we could all learn from you and you may inspire us to better behavior. So, sit down and tell us all about yourself. My short bio is so boring you would be the next gaythailand poster to drop dead. I can give you a skype call though if you are looking for your early demise. We can and should judge people partly by their behavior. I did not know the man who died. His postings were a pain in the ass and I think it is fair for other people to comment on that behavior. Do you think it inappropriate? Huh....is your own behavior shaped by what people might or do say about you? Huh..my original comment may have some validity.
Guest Kittyboy Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 So........the theory is that people will behave better in life lest they get talked about once they have popped their clogs? Personally, I'll be far too busy being dead to be bothered about the tittle-tattle of the local petit bourgeoise. That is the theory. Just a theory and not applicable to everyone. I suspect though that a fair number of people worry about their reputations...even after they are dead.
TotallyOz Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 We can and should judge people partly by their behavior. Great. Can I judge a new poster who just joined the board less than one week ago and admits he did not know the man in question by calling the new poster an asshole or a douche-bag or an idiot if his behavior shows that? I mean, you do say we should judge right? TotallyOz 1
Guest Kittyboy Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 Great. Can I judge a new poster who just joined the board less than one week ago and admits he did not know the man in question by calling the new poster an asshole or a douche-bag or an idiot if his behavior shows that? I mean, you do say we should judge right? If you think the behavior of a new poster warrants those comments, yes. Are you directing you comments toward me? If you are, man up and say so. You and others will certainly judge my character in part by my postings here. Your own comments confirm my earlier statement.
TotallyOz Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 Are you directing you comments toward me? Well, if you have to ask that question, I might have to judge you as not being able to read between the lines. No matter how much you are judged here based on your postings on an anonymous message board, that does not represent the true you. You may be that way in person but you may be the opposite. And for a person who this thread is about, both his real name and his online persona is brought into question. They were not the same. He was a very kind and funny man and indeed a true gentleman. Your thoughts about his online persona is shared by many. I understand it. I just don't think those that didn't know him personally should make those judgements in his obit. IMHO
Guest Kittyboy Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I can read between the lines. I was being sarcastic. Can you read between the lines. Call me an idiot douche or don't. Come on man up. Your post is contradictory - A person's post do not represent the true you? and then You MAY be that way in person but you MAY be the OPPOSITE..? So a person's posts do not represent the true person because they may be the opposite of their true personality but it may represent the true person. Ah..hmmm.. I have to think this one over. On an online forum a person's online persona is fair game for comment.
TotallyOz Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I can read between the lines. I was being sarcastic. Can you read between the lines. Call me an idiot douche or don't. Come on man up. I have no desire to break the board rules and call you an idiot or a douche. That said, welcome to the board. I am so glad you have so much passion about this topic.
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 As the final Judge on this board, this topic is now closed. Be kind to each other.
