TotallyOz Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 I often get people angry at me for talking about tips and prices. I saw a group of men sit last night in a bar and jack off the guys for at least 30 min and give then 100 baht. I think this is horrendous. I am not really sure why someone does this in public in the first place. Personally, I don't enjoy watching other Farangs jack off or blow the guys. It is not what I pay 100 plus baht price for a drink to see. I much prefer a quieter bar where the guys get on stage and don't show all. There has been a great deal of controversy on the boards about the new nude shows at several bars in Pattaya. It is not my thing and I don't go to watch them. When Crazy Pub was doing their shows a few years ago, it was not something I did often either. In Bangkok, I have never really enjoyed the sex shows. I do like a good Cabaret show but that is just me. I know many love the shows and love the sex shows in Bangkok. I don't know of many places where you watch someone get fu@@ed on a swing. I can handle the show with the Thai guys but once the Farangs get involved in the spectacle, it is really a turn off. Is there a way to get a refund for the drink? Perhaps the guys didn't mind someone jerking them off in public. But only 100 baht? Is that a way to get a short time without paying the short time off fee or the regular tip? Quote
Gaybutton Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 I agree with you entirely. I have not seen the "farang" participation you're talking about, but it's also been more than a month since I was even in a bar at all. I'm glad I didn't see that and I think it is in extremely poor taste for "farang" to be doing anything other than watching the shows. I'm quite unpleasantly surprised to know that any bars permit such a thing. Quote
Guest francois Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 Shamefacedly, I must admit I have been guilty of this sin and plead for GTs forgiveness. In this instance it was after midnight and the danseurs were not being offed (the club was empty) and, in desperation, the guys were lined up begging for a 100 Baht tip in exchange for their favors. Amongst myself and a few friends we were able to provide a tip, small as it were, to all of the danseurs. For us it was viewed as an act of charite'. Yes, "tres gauche" I do admit that. Pardonnez-moi. Quote
TotallyOz Posted November 4, 2006 Author Posted November 4, 2006 Shamefacedly, I must admit I have been guilty of this sin and plead for GTs forgiveness. LOL. Well, no one needs my forgiveness for ANYTHING. I hope I was not seeming holier than thou. It was not my intent. I know I may often come across that way but I really do believe that what someone does is their own business. When it is done in public is another story. After midnight is one thing. How about 9PM? I really do not mean to seem sanctimonious. I often voice my thoughts on here and I know they are not popular. I think if a bar allows the Farangs to do this, that is up to the bar. It is just not something I want to see. I also don Quote
Guest YardenUK Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 FRANCOIS!!!!! be careful - that's why many thai guys say french guys are cheap LOL LOL LOL Joke!!!!! Quote
Gaybutton Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 Shamefacedly, I must admit I have been guilty of this sin and plead for GTs forgiveness. I greatly admire you for being open and honest about it. Quote
Guest francois Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 Excusez-moi Yarden! "Call me cheap, call me a faggot or call me a nigger, but please don't call me French!" There are beaucoup "Francois gais" in Quebec and "Francois noirs in Haiti" without making us "French". In realite that is a great line from La Cage Aux Foiles. Joke. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 I am not sure which bar is being referred to, but if it is NB - and especially very late in the evening near closing time - then one or more boys 'descending' on a customer is virually the norm. Besides, NB has no dancing (unless you call one boy standing in his underpants doing precious little 'dancing'). I have no idea how far it all goes nor what are the usual tips, but I am told the boys seem satisfied. Quote
Guest cialis Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 However, when a boy sits in a bar with a Farang, the minimum tip should be 100 baht. That is what I was told by everyone when I first came here 3 years ago. Every bar mamasan said the same thing when I asked them. But, that is for sitting and drinking. When it goes beyond that, additional payment should be made. IMHO Gay Thailand, I humbly ask of you O great sage, why do you think that it is any of your business what tip is given to bar boys?. In the flesh market it up to the punter and if the boys don't like the tip then next time they ignore the punter. I guess that many punters give more if the boy is younger rather than older to assuage the guilt. Maybe the older and/or the fatter you are u give more so that u get the boys attention next time. You are free as I am to express my opinion but I don't expect you to be looking or coimmenting on the tip I decide to give a boy whether it is 20 Baht or 5000 Baht. Please graet sage tell readers what business is it of yours? Quote
Gaybutton Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 Please graet sage tell readers what business is it of yours? I'll tell you what business it is of his. Many people write posts talking about how awful it is that "farang" come to Thailand to exploit the bar boys. When someone literally uses a boy and then gives him a pittance for his services, I think that's the height of exploitation and it is something this web site stands against. I think it is very much GayThailand's business. I think it ought to be everybody's business, including yours, to stand against it. Quote
Guest wowpow Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 I did not realise how naive some are as to what goes on in some of the bars. There are several bars in Pattaya and Bangkok where molesting and jerking off boys and or customers happens. In one Sunee Plaza bar a go-go boy offered to jack off for 200 baht and a friend of mine said jokingly "how about 100 baht?" and the boy said "OK" and started but was stopped. I hear that it is amazing how many 100 bahts some of these 'boys' can manage in an evening. I have never actually seen blow jobs going on other than onstage but I hear it happens. I remember once many years ago I was forced to go to Crazy Pub and naked boys came onstage to sit on chairs and jack off. There was a very unattractive, very fat farang who had been sitting at the side of the stage. He brough his chair over to sit next to a nice boy and jacked him in full public view. The boy obviously disliked this a lot but allowed it. Another farang went over to the most attractive boy and spoke to him. He left the stage and went over to this guy and his companions. There was a lot of laughter and fun and then they rose to leave and the boy kissed each of them goodbye and walked them to the door. He came back into the room leaping into the air and screaming with glee as he waved 2000 baht in the air.The poor boy onstage came and the farang tipped and shuffled off. The difference was not so much the money but the way it was done. GayThailand, you are wealthy, kind and generous but you do tend to disparage those who tip smallish amounts. Rightly or wrongly, there are many bar boys who are happy to be jerked off for 100 baht and there are customers who are willing to pay them the price that they ask. Remember that many Thais don't get paid that much for a 12 hour days labouring. Maybe the customers bought them a drink as well? Most will tip higher, I'm sure, but it is not out of the bounds of what is acceptible to the boys. To many farangs sex is a semi-religious experience and to most Thais it's like scratching an itch. I can't remember where I read that but there is some truth there. Quote
Guest cialis Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 I did not realise how naive some are as to what goes on in some of the bars. GayThailand, you are wealthy, kind and generous but you do tend to disparage those who tip smallish amounts. Rightly or wrongly, there are many bar boys who are happy to be jerked off for 100 baht and there are customers who are willing to pay them the price that they ask. Remember that many Thais don't get paid that much for a 12 hour days labouring. Maybe the customers bought them a drink as well? Most will tip higher, I'm sure, but it is not out of the bounds of what is acceptible to the boys. Wow Wow Pow, I never thought I would agree with you having read your posts here and on other boards for some time. Gay Thailand, please pray tell what do you think about these barboys who have more than one farang whilst professing to be boyfriends etc.? Do you think them such angelic innocent peiople as they string farangs along getting money wired to them eachor many every month? What about these Thai Boys who have Thai boyfriends yet express devotion and loyalty to one farang? What about these Thai Boys who play cute and erotic games in the bar who then on the bed in the hotel do absolutely the minimum they can get away with? Yes wake up Gay Thailand, these boys are prostitutes who smile and exploit farangs to the fullest. You yourself are probably being exploited as they milk your deep wallet. I guess you are here in Thailand because your money does not buy the boys so easl;y from whence you come. Quote
TotallyOz Posted November 4, 2006 Author Posted November 4, 2006 Yes wake up Gay Thailand, these boys are prostitutes who smile and exploit farangs to the fullest. Thanks. I guess that makes it OK then. I don't know why I didn't see your point before. You yourself are probably being exploited as they milk your deep wallet. I guess you are here in Thailand because your money does not buy the boys so easl;y from whence you come. Yes, it does. But, thanks for your concern. GayThailand, you are wealthy, kind and generous but you do tend to disparage those who tip smallish amounts. I try not to disparage anyone. I do think a tip that amounts to the cost of a meal at McDonalds is an OK tip for someone to sit and have a drink. I don't think it is a fair amount for someone that he jerks off for 40 mins. Sorry. Cialis, reading your comments, it sounds like you have been hurt more than once. I am sorry for that. We have all been there. I have on more than one occasion. I expect to be there again. I don't let any of those experiences affect what amount I think is OK for a tip or for a short time. I am not a sage or the expert in anything. I have never said that you or anyone must do what I suggest. I only post to create dialogue. I do have the right to express my opinions and that is what I will continue to do. I was not attacking you to my knowledge. I was expressing an opinion. I know it is not a popular one. However, I do feel I have the right to express it. Also, welcome to the boards. We are happy to have you here and glad you are posting. If your name suggests that you have an in with Cialis, please give me a discount on my next order. It may help me at the end of the month and I'll be able to be milked from more cash from my boyfriend. : Quote
khaolakguy Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 If it was so distasteful to "watch" guys being jerked off, why did you stay in the bar so long, up to 40 minutes now? Quote
Guest mauRICE Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 I do like a good Cabaret show but that is just me. It's the Southern belle in you. As they say, you can take a gal of the South but you can't take the South out of a gal. Quote
TotallyOz Posted November 4, 2006 Author Posted November 4, 2006 It's the Southern belle in you. As they say, you can take a gal of the South but you can't take the South out of a gal. LOL You ain't just whistling Dixie. If it was so distasteful to "watch" guys being jerked off, why did you stay in the bar so long, up to 40 minutes now? There were other things to see. I was on the lookout for LMTU returning from afar. I have expected him to walk through the door any time now and I hate to miss a homecoming. Quote
Guest francois Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 Having "sinned" once in that particular club I returned on another day, at an earlier hour, and bought drinks for myself and for one of the boyz and did give him a more generous tip. I do agree with GT that 100Baht for a "second hand" job is a cheap tip although many might call it " un bon marche' " - a good deal. Upon exiting the club all the danseurs approached me with open hands knowing I was a soft touch. No pun intended. Quote
