This is a suck ass site

[TotallyOz]

Michaels password was sex123

a "weak" password, but Michael loves it :-)

 

So, it was you Jim that did this! You tech geek! How did you ever figure it out?

[Guest fountainhall]

I have also started noticing what may be a problem with the technology.

 

I always assumed that after posting or checking posts and I then click on "Sign Out" in the black bar below the web guys photos, I am actually logged out. Now I discover that this is not the case. When I go back to the "Home" page, I see I am still logged in. And if I just click on ‘Forum’, I am automatically re-signed in – without the need to log in.

 

So, anyone who has access to my computer could start posting without my knowledge (unlikely, but if it is possible for me, maybe it’s possible for others). Also, if I happened to be using a public computer and simply "Signed Out", anyone after me could still post using my handle without any need actually to log in.

 

Surely that means I cannot have been properly logged out? Is this a problem with the Board or my computer?

[Guest anonone]

I have also started noticing what may be a problem with the technology.

 

I always assumed that after posting or checking posts and I then click on "Sign Out" in the black bar below the web guys photos, I am actually logged out. Now I discover that this is not the case. When I go back to the "Home" page, I see I am still logged in. And if I just click on ‘Forum’, I am automatically re-signed in – without the need to log in.

 

So, anyone who has access to my computer could start posting without my knowledge (unlikely, but if it is possible for me, maybe it’s possible for others). Also, if I happened to be using a public computer and simply "Signed Out", anyone after me could still post using my handle without any need actually to log in.

 

Surely that means I cannot have been properly logged out? Is this a problem with the Board or my computer?

 

Fountainhall, I jus tried it and I have the same issue. Clearing logging out, including closing out the tab, and when I come back, I can still post, etc.

 

I will have to investigate a bit. It may be a persistent cookie that deleting may solve the problem. I am in the middle of something, so I don't want to mess with it now.

[Guest badcdn]

And I have to log in every time I return to the forum, even when I check "Remember Me".

 

 

Firefox, Safari

[Guest]

I need to log in again after every time I shut Firefox.

[Guest fountainhall]

I usually work on Safari, but tried 'signing out' this morning on Firefox. Same problem. When I click 'sign out', I am signed out of the message board but I am not logged out of the site. And that means I can still 'sign in' to the message board simply by clicking on 'Forum'. I don't have to re-type my name and password.

 

Since anonone has the same problem, I hope the owners can look into this. 'Sign Out' to me is the same as 'Log Out'. If not, then I think this has to be made much clearer.

[Guest anonone]

Exact same situtation for me, fountainhall. Clicking on Forums shows me as signed back in for posts.

[Guest thaiworthy]

I had no problems logging out. I am positively sure of that. This has been the case for the last several months when the board "problems thread" got started. I am using a Macbook Pro, running system version10.7.3, with Safari version 5.1.5. I always make sure I am logged out of any site, banking, shopping and web boards. Ultimately, the responsibility of security is the end user, by not checking whether they are logged out of not. Yes, it might be an extra step. But throwing the deadbolt as a secondary means of securing your home is also an extra step. If you were burglarized because of forgetting to do this, who is to blame? You can't blame the condo owner you are renting from any more than you can blame the software on this board. I am certain Scooby is doing everything he can to make the software more secure.

 

If someone is using a weak password, that is also the end user's problem.

 

I suspect there is more to this prank than I am willing to speculate here. But I think Bob said it best:

 

As the regulars now realize it didn't sound like Michael and as Michael has said he didn't make the original post in this thread, wouldn't the correct solution be for a moderator or owner to simply delete the entire thread? Hate to give any airtime to somebody playing a nasty game.

[Guest fountainhall]

Ultimately, the responsibility of security is the end user, by not checking whether they are logged out of not.

 

I agree. But do please give anonone and me credit for some common sense! My only point in raising this matter was to suggest one possible flaw in the software that just might have resulted in another person accessing Michael's name and password.

 

I keep my browser set to gaythailand.com/forums. When I open my computer in the morning (Apple desktop using Safari 10.6., in order to post on the Message Board - or, indeed, to read any materials actually embedded in the texts - I have to log in using the name and password boxes on the top right of the screen. I require no further signing in. 'Log In' is one simple act that opens up the Message Board.

 

Once logged in, that Message Board page has no 'Log Out' box. There is only 'Sign Out'. So it is surely not unreasonable, in the absence of any advice to the contrary, that 'Sign Out' means 'Log Out'. One action as requested at the top of the page to log in; one action in the black bar to log out. Yes?

 

If your answer is 'No', then why does the Message Board have 'Sign Out' but not 'Sign In'?

[Guest thaiworthy]

I agree. But do please give anonone and me credit for some common sense!

 

No discredit implied. In fact, you are the first person on this forum I would think of when it comes to using common sense. I was speaking generally, I would have thought it a bit elementary to state to you specifically, since I have the highest admiration and respect for you, FH. Apologies, sir!

[Guest fountainhall]

Absolutely none required! I think I have too much water on the brain today

 

But it's clear that someone has been paying attention to the recent posts. Because when I 'Signed Out' just now, lo and behold! I was actually logged out as well! I have now gone through the sequence a few times, and it always logs out. So thanks to the administrators for sorting out this anomaly.

[Guest Cedric]

SGT It's the worst of people behaving badly. That is the reason some people enjoy it, but I do not. Figuratively speaking, if a virtual Roman Coliseum opened online today, many would rush to it to witness a slaughter or sacrifice of intellects to the wits of one or another.

 

you would get torn to shreds on SGT, because you are too well-known and controversial.

 

No, GT is your baby. It would be a shame to see you abandon it.

 

I think so too, in fact I cant believe Im still registered here myself.

 

SGT contrary to what you say seems to have gone haywire they ban people if they so much as criticise America. Think new mods are nut jobs bent on destroying what was actually quite an interesting forum (long time ago). Read a bit but the threads are just not interesting enough anymore to bother really and the format isn't what it was.

 

I like this thread, I know what it ended up being about but there are some good points about running and keeping a forum going here.

 

Are forums a dying form of communication, are moderators killing them off with their over zealous moderation, have they killed them off? I think maybe. I have seen some very nice forums like SGT come to a complete standstill by neurotic knee jerk moderation.

 

Its not even about the subject matter in most cases. I've been on boards purely about politics too and the same thing seems to happen. Moderators just cannot be anything but biased it seems, they are human after all.

 

I suppose there isn't enough moderating of the moderators, in that decisions are taken unilaterally and there isn't the scope or variety amongst them to correct the problem balance things out.

 

Its sad as I think there isn't anything quite like a good free for all forum, where a poster is moderated by other posters in debate by consensus perhaps. These days moderation seems to ban debate in reality, threat and banning is all they seem any good at.

 

On good forums moderators have the time and intellect to engage but it seems to be a dying breed?

[Guest]

For a differing view of SGT, I see their forum seems to be recovering under the current management. They seem to have just enough moderating to rein in the personal attacks a tad, whilst allowing some banter.

[Guest fountainhall]

Are forums a dying form of communication, are moderators killing them off with their over zealous moderation, have they killed them off?

 

I understand your viewpoint re moderating and recall when the moderating on this site seemed to be more obvious than at present. But one reason this Board seems to have settled into its own little niche is, surely, because most of the posters themselves bear in mind the Message Centre policies. I have no idea of the policies of other Boards, but those here are really quite clear. In that sense, perhaps, there is a greater degree of self-moderation than is often the case on some other Boards.

 

I wonder what you mean by a “free for all” forum? If you mean a reasoned and sensible debate where posters have a respect for each other and, if not a respect for their opinions, then at least a respect that others can and do hold differing opinions and have a right to express them without being verbally ‘trashed’, I am totally in favour. If you mean the sort-of no holds barred ding-dong where anyone can say virtually anything, including all the name calling, the point scoring, the outright lying and the near slanderous personal attacks that are still quite common on some other Boards, then I for one am against it.

 

I know that some other posters on this site may disagree and feel that anyone posting on a Board should have the right of free speech. Yet, often I see posters on other Boards who seemingly happily exercise that freedom without any intent to exercise the responsibility that comes with all freedoms. Besides, if a Board has specific posting policies, no poster can have total freedom since posts have to be within the ‘rules’.

 

I totally agree, however, that in an ideal world “a poster is moderated by other posters in debate by consensus.” Yet, how often on any Board do you actually see debates develop in which subjects are raised, opposing views expressed, issues developed and, hopefully sometimes, conclusions reached? Very rarely, in my view. Too often debates are side-tracked by one-liners with no substance and little relevance from posters who either can not or simply can’t be bothered effectively to put forward their own viewpoints. Killing the ‘flow’ is all too easy and it can effectively kill the discussion. How do other posters self-moderate in such circumstances?

 

The internet has opened up a whole new world of communication. The anonymity it affords has, unfortunately, rendered open debate so much more difficult, if only because everything is now all so impersonal. Even the basic common civility that used to be part of everyday conversation is far too easily dispensed with when staring at a screen and not a group of people.

 

In a world where anyone can type absolutely anything they want, no matter how irrelevant it is to the thread in question, and then click ‘Post’, I reckon moderators are going to remain essential.

[Guest Cedric]

z909 no they seem to be in a moderation flux and still trying to find moderators. As you know Jinks has very recently retired by the sounds of things (before his stroke). Posters are vanishing left right and centre thrown out or they just have better things to do I think.

 

I believe this is a danger when a board has a bit of a reshuffle in SWG's case Im not even sure when it happened but its left a long standing stain that's for sure. It takes a lot of time to get to know posters. There must be give and take, nothing in stone. A flexible and tolerant approach to everything.

 

How to avoid bias in moderators? Im not sure besides having a good spread of very different people, nationalities, character and interest, no unilateral decision making. Lets face it there is never any real urgency anyway besides in the approach to bots and spam?

 

More often than not irreparable damage is done by newbie moderators, this causes posters to leave, leaving nothing much of interest at all.

 

I say some of these things of course after not posting on SGT for a year or longer, but in that time there has been a complete change a very definite dumbing down of the threads, the older threads and I mean very old ones 07 08 etc are far more interesting generally.

 

Not sure what happened between then and now but this must say something?

 

 

I think moderators are essential fountainH and they can make or break a board so very easily too.

 

The simple fact is most boards that are truly successful are so pure and simply because of decent moderators.

 

Im not sure of your threshold for boisterous argument fountain but that is essential for a good forum. If people want to tear each other apart whose place is it to tell them not to. The world is full of weird and wonderful people with weird and wonderful ideas and norms gays are no exception a moderators job is not to censor or try and filter posters to fit some idealised norm, there is no such poster.

 

In my opinion a moderators job is to approach people with a very broad and tolerant mind set. Anything which in our collective society is acceptable that is within the law should be fine in principle. I think the Dutch would make the best moderators all said and done haha.

 

Racism, Sexism, hate speech, intolerance of others religious beliefs etc etc are the things moderators should be most tuned to rooting out, not mere differences of opinion and how it's expressed, not petty squabbles, not political differences, not cultural differences, not name calling or any of the other completely irrelevant issues.

 

A persons identity is formed by what they say and unless given complete freedom they cannot be themselves. Mere tolerance of swearing for example does not a board make.

 

Where are those kind of moderators anymore? They seem to be a dying breed along with forums.

 

Of course Im not passing any judgement on the moderation here as I have no clue.

 

This forum is slow as earlier discussed but Im not sure why yet can't be too serious Im sure.

[Guest]

I still reckon SGT has more posts and certainly more civilised posts than it had about 18 months ago. Moderating out all the abuse seems to have increased their traffic, to the overall benefit of their site.

 

A little bit of banter seems helpful to a board. However, there's a fine line between banter and persistently dragging topics off course. After all, if an opening poster starts a new thread with some interesting questions, he's quite entitled to expect that thread to continue on topic until all reasonable & relevant answers have been shared. Allowing it to go off topic with people trying to score points off each other is unfair.

 

Finally, of course there are at least 5 gay Thai forums that I know of, with various moderating styles. The user can pick one or more to suit his own preferences.

[Gaybutton]

Since moderators are being discussed, I'd like to chime in. First, if you talk to six different people you'll get six different opinions about how to properly moderate a message board. When it comes to my methods, like what I do or hate what I do, one fact I don't believe anyone is going to dispute is from among all the gay Thailand message board moderators, I've been around a lot longer than any of them. If I've learned nothing else from my experience I've learned, and have posted this several times before, "No matter what I do, somebody doesn't like what I do."

 

I don't believe there is any such thing as a right answer about how to moderate a message board. Most people I know who, including me, who have been on the administrative end of these message boards tried at first to give as much leeway as possible to what people wanted to post. I think most moderators ended up realizing in the end, that just doesn't work. I wish it did, but it doesn't.

 

If one is not experienced on the moderator end, it's easy to think the job is very simple. It isn't. In my own case, over the years I've been called every name you can think of, have been criticized, lampooned, and have been personally attacked in posts more times than Carter's has Liver Pills, have lost friends, have been the subject of hatred, have been subjected to a blackmail attempt, have been threatened with physical violence - you name it.

 

99 times out of 100, the moderators are going to hear all about what individuals don't like and almost never about anything they do like.

 

Despite all that, like it or not I'm still here.

 

Finally, of course there are at least 5 gay Thai forums that I know of, with various moderating styles. The user can pick one or more to suit his own preferences.

I agree with that with one exception - even with that many boards available there are still going to be some who don't like any of them.

 

What it all boils down to is a moderator can only do what he believes is the best way to do things, despite the opinions of the critics. I don't think any moderator is doing things because he thinks it's the wrong thing to do. As soon as a moderator tries to moderate based on what others have decided is the way to do things, that's when he's in trouble.

 

When you want to criticize a moderator, ask yourself whether if you were in his position, would you be doing what you think is right or would you be doing what somebody else thinks is right?

 

Moderators are human too. We make mistakes, errors in judgment, and do things we later regret just like anyone else. We do the best we can. If that's not good enough, sorry about that, but that's the way it is.

 

One thing is very clear to me. Michael did not write the "This is a suck ass site" post.

[Guest fountainhall]

there are at least 5 gay Thai forums that I know of, with various moderating styles. The user can pick one or more to suit his own preferences.

 

Like GB, I agree. No one forces anyone to post on any particular forum. So pick the one that you are most comfortable posting in. It seems quite a few regular posters are happy with the existing forums since they quite regularly post on several. Others – for whatever reason – regularly vent their spleen on one site, although this often seems to be a result of having had posting privileges withdrawn or they have been banned from another site.

 

A persons identity is formed by what they say and unless given complete freedom they cannot be themselves. Mere tolerance of swearing for example does not a board make.

 

I absolutely do not believe anyone should be given complete freedom to say what he likes – on any forum – even though there is one I can think of where that seems to be almost the case! With respect, it’s nonsense to say a person’s identity is formed by what they say. That’s not the case in real life and it’s not the case on a Message Board. The fact is that the anonymity of the internet permits a number of posters to adopt very different identities on Message Boards from their own real life personalities. One I can think of went to extraordinary extremes to build and create a totally false identity and then to protect it by trashing and verbally abusing anyone and everyone who questioned it. Indeed, some posters - for reasons that always escape me - get their kicks by adopting more than one weird and wonderful identity. All that does, in my view, is illustrate some form of arrested development.

 

GB says it well in his later post –

 

In my own case, over the years I've been called every name you can think of, have been criticized, lampooned, and have been personally attacked in posts more times than Carter's has Liver Pills, have lost friends, have been the subject of hatred, have been subjected to a blackmail attempt, have been threatened with physical violence

 

Whatever one thinks about GB’s moderating style and the way he runs his own Board – HIS Board, let’s not forget, the one HE pays for – the slanders I have read about him, the pathetic school playground verbal bullying, the name calling about him and his friends, all that to me only highlights what is wrong with the fantasy internet world in which some people seem to spend most of their lives. You cannot slander an individual in real life without legal consequences, but some people seem to think this is perfectly acceptable in a forum. Schoolboy bullies are increasingly condemned in real life and are usually subject to sanctions, yet that form of cheap, verbal on-going character assassination is perfectly acceptable on some Boards. Neither has any place whatever in a sensibly run forum, in my view.

 

If people want to tear each other apart whose place is it to tell them not to.

 

And this is a very good example of my point. Again, I believe “tearing each other part” has absolutely nothing to do with putting forward and developing argument and discussion. It has all to do with petty, vindictive, childish behaviour. It has absolutely nothing to do with a good forum.

 

You mention “debate” several times in your posts. Yet, the sort of “free for all” you advocate contributes to the stifling of debate, if only because in most cases it destroys reasoned discussion through its reduction of threads to name calling and petty jibes.

 

I do agree with you, on the other hand, when you say a moderator can make or break a forum. I have myself occasionally had differences of opinion with moderators on this site. But I accepted this is not my forum, and those who own it and have paid for its being up and running have a right to determine its policies and make the decisions when a poster abuses his freedoms or a thread gets out of hand.

 

In one instance, I just decided to stop posting for several months. And that, surely, is the ultimate answer when you find a site that is not to your liking. No one forces anyone to post. And surely anyone who does not approve of how the present forums are moderated is perfectly free to invest in and set up his own forum?

 

But Cedric’s points are interesting and it’s useful that these have been raised. For, even though I do not agree with them, they represent a valid suggestion as to why there are not more posters on this gaythailand Board.

[Gaybutton]

And this is a very good example of my point. Again, I believe “tearing each other part” has absolutely nothing to do with putting forward and developing argument and discussion. It has all to do with petty, vindictive, childish behaviour. It has absolutely nothing to do with a good forum

 

Unless I'm missing something, it also has nothing to do with gay Thailand.

 

In my view, people who come to a gay Thailand board because they enjoy putting down and abusing others don't belong on these boards in the first place.

 

When the question was asked, "If people want to tear each other apart whose place is it to tell them not to," I can't speak for other boards, but on my board I thought the answer was plain: Mine.

[Guest Cedric]

Its very interesting to hear the opinions of moderators and ex-moderators on this issue of course. I wish more would contribute.

 

Maybe there should be a forum just for moderators to learn and keep abreast on how to moderate each other?

 

One topic Im sure that would be very helpful is to discuss how to deal with not getting personally involved with moderating. How to suppress national bias, personal political leanings, judgement of character, personal sensitivities etc etc etc.

 

By the way this has always disturbed me, and not mentioning names but some moderators even join in on thread arguments which is ridiculous to say the least as how on earth can they call themselves unbiased.

 

Its hardly worth saying its true but as I said before and GB reiterated moderators are mere human and moderators do make mistakes but the same of course applies to posters.

 

Its when I see posters that have been with successful boards for a very long time being banned that my ears prick up and I think hmmmm moderator problems.

 

Yes moderators as I said make or break boards but posters pure and simply are the board.

 

Unfortunately often moderators that are very good leave a board when it gets sold as a successful board/forum or get involved in other aspects of it and it tends to flounder.

 

On this I must say I think the dumbing down of forums is a big issue to be faced. Without interesting threads that appeal to a broader intellect than just a few happy clapping dolts a forum is nothing, as vacuous as their subject matter.

 

Fountain while you make some good points, about the use of multiple personalities etc I personally don't think that is so important.

 

A debate if its good will last and follow through no matter how many clowns try and derail it, there is no point in a moderator trying to flex their muscle at that moment because quite honestly that does more damage to a debate than the so called trolls. It sends the thread spinning into other directions or simply means an abrupt end of the thread entirely as people lose their train of thought, momentum is destroyed.

Posters have their own tolerance threshold a moderator honestly doesn't need to tell them what that is.

 

Well written relevant and intellectually inviting threads or topics have a momentum of their own and quite honestly keep the tom foolery at a healthy distance all on their own. A good sprinkle of these amongst the more mundane the testy the idiot clown whatever make for a good forum. But so do what ever our opinions of them these others.

 

On taking part in a number of good forums over the years and seeing them thrive for years, come and go reinvented, sold, disbanded, no longer tolerated for what ever reason usually advertising concerns or commercial interests, political etc I came to the conclusion that for some reason forums are no longer thriving like they did in the early years of their invention and secondly that without being personal about anyone that moderators or at least their motives and directives are responsible for this and not the posters that are the forum.*

 

A strong code of ethics and only as it relates to basic human rights is all a moderator should be policing in my opinion otherwise they can be seen as pure interference nothing more.

 

A forum must most definitely have a life all of its own be able to stand on its own two feet to thrive.

 

 

 

*_{the longest sentence in forum history no doubt}

[Guest Cedric]

Unless I'm missing something, it also has nothing to do with gay Thailand.

 

This is a good point.

 

The fact is a heck of a lot of posters go to Thailand infrequently. This means that although they love Thailand and love everything about it they don't always have anything salient to say about the place, the same can be said for many moderators and in relation to subject matter.

 

So unless one wants a board exclusively for retirees in Patiyahoo or Thailand as a whole a certain amount of discussion not relating to Thailand is healthy, this is why it's obviously important that a board have a good depth of other avenues open. Just being gay and wanting a voice is relevant to a good board.

 

On this I think a board like SGT is telling because their global and general Asian forum is far more interesting these days than their Thai one. One knee jerk moderated the other hardly at all.

 

No IMO GB its not a moderators job to stop people from being people, a mere lost thread it's of no importance there are hopefully always plenty more.

 

People need their kicks and find them in the strangest places Im not passing judgement I have no right.

 

Rather posters kick each other to hell and back on forum threads than in real life any day. We like being bitchy we like being fat tarts queens and sluts, OK not everyone but so what we also like being intelligent considerate kindly people some of us some of the time. Its amusement too remember.

[Guest fountainhall]

You make a number of very pertinent points

 


a certain amount of discussion not relating to Thailand is healthy, this is why it's obviously important that a board have a good depth of other avenues open

 

Totally agree. You constantly refer to SGT, a Board I rarely read because I cannot access it from my server in Bangkok and I just can't be bothered going through proxies. I do realise, however, it has developed an interesting forum on neighbouring countries. This Board, too, has quite a number of threads with quite a number of tips and suggestions for regional and other travel. The fact is the region has a huge amount to offer the gay traveller,
 and any Thailand-related site should offer such useful information for the many who, as you rightly suggest, do not actually live here.

 

People need their kicks and find them in the strangest places

 

But why the need - or indeed the right - to find their "kicks" on a Message Board? We seem to differ, because my view is that a Board is, like it or not, a community. Like all communities, it develops its own personality and, in general, those within it develop respect for each other (although there are always exceptions).

 

On the other hand, you seem to imply that a Board/forum is a series of individual contributions made in a totally free environment. That's rather like saying anyone can pop into the village pub and start spouting all manner of accusations, lies and general nonsense, only because he has a particular grudge against the world. Not against the village, but against the wider global community, gay and not gay. EIther that, or he just wants some "amusement"! We know what would happen to that individual in real life. He’d be kicked out of the pub in no uncertain manner!

 

1. Rather posters kick each other to hell and back on forum threads than in real life any day.

2. We like being bitchy we like being fat tarts queens and sluts, OK not everyone but so what we also like being intelligent considerate kindly people some of us some of the time. Its amusement too remember.


 

1. Here’s one point which stretches the limit of credulity just too far. Do you seriously expect that if posters are not permitted to “kick the hell out of each other” on a Message Board, they will then turn up in Soi 4, Soi Twilight, Sunee or Boystown and take their aggression out there? Come on! That is patently fanciful thinking. If I can't have a ding-dong with Bob on this board, am I going to hightail it to Chiang Mai for a slugfest? Of course not! (Well, I am going next week, but merely for pleasure!)

 

2. Yes, a lot of us are bitchy, sluts (sometimes!), intelligent and considerate (not as often as we’d like, perhaps!). And yes, it’s possible to be all these within the context of this Message Board, at least.

 

But why should a Board be amusement? Enjoyment in a certain way, yes. But amusement? Does that mean if “we are not amused” (to quote the Queen in whose reign anti-gay legislation which still covers part of the world was enacted) by a Board, we have to go out and seek amusement elsewhere? What’s wrong with that? (Sorry, couldn't resist that!)

[Guest Cedric]

These long post are begining to get a bit unwieldy so Im going to do this one as answer as I go.

 

But why the need - or indeed the right - to find their "kicks" on a Message Board? We seem to differ, because my view is that a Board is, like it or not, a community. Like all communities......... develop respect for each other.

_{etc etc}

 

Im not trying to or even need to be rude here at all but Cloud Cuckoo land is the only community where people walk around all day being pleasant to each other all the time. I for one would find that unbearable unless it was Shady Pines and I had one foot in the grave.

 

That's rather like saying anyone can pop into the village pub and start spouting all manner of accusations, lies and general nonsens

 

No its not its like saying any community is a rowdy rude live healthy pleasant and nasty place to be in. No one honestly joins a forum and just starts raging at any particular poster or the entire forum, that would indicate mental health issues and require particularly sensitive handling, probably not within the scope of your average moderator, a referral might be a decent gesture.

 

1. Here’s one point which stretches the limit of credulity just too far. Do you seriously expect that if posters are not permitted to “kick the hell out of each other” on a Message Board, they will then turn up in Soi 4, Soi Twilight, Sunee or Boystown and take their aggression out there?

 

No I don't, this wasn't my implication at all.

 

This right here is a virtual world that other beast you mention is the real world where a fair amount of kicking and tearing apart takes place within a community and yes often between friends or lovers sometimes with total strangers and even sometimes just to themselves.

 

Here the same is likely to happen people being people only it can't honestly really hurt anyone and that gets my preference, is the only point I was making. All within the boundaries of the law I must add. Real slander/defamation for example is obviously out of order but that is almost never the case.

 

2. Yes, a lot of us are bitchy, sluts (sometimes!), intelligent and considerate (not as often as we’d like, perhaps!). And yes, it’s possible to be all these within the context of this Message Board, at least.

 

That's a healthy thing right?

 

But why should a Board be amusement? Enjoyment in a certain way, yes. But amusement? Does that mean if “we are not amused” (to quote the Queen in whose reign anti-gay legislation which still covers part of the world was enacted) by a Board, we have to go out and seek amusement elsewhere? What’s wrong with that? (Sorry, couldn't resist that!)

 

Feel free. A board should be amusing interesting informative etc that just all makes up a good successful forum no? As I say people get their kicks in their own ways why this need to control to weed out to purge people from being people??? If any one of these things - interesting, amusing, informative etc is sorely lacking yes no one will arrive at the party. ) :

[KhorTose]

In my view, people who come to a gay Thailand board because they enjoy putting down and abusing others don't belong on these boards in the first place.

 

Come on now Gaybutton. Please don't try to tell me that you have not used this board to put others down, or abuse them. I do hope you don't try to deny your culpability, as you will make me work to look up what must be 100 examples Jesus, next you will be applying for sainthood and telling me what a fair minded man you are, and how you so gracefully accept criticism or disagreement from other posters when you have given your view.

[Gaybutton]

next you will be applying for sainthood

 

I had planned to file the paperwork for that right after Songkran. Can I use you as a lack of character witness?

 

Of course, if I ever apply to be burned at the stake instead, I have no doubt you'll be right there volunteering to light the match.