Dongtan Beach Photos

[Bob]

Well, well, well! So bkkguy, who likes to take pot shots at members of this Board from time to time, is setting himself up as the arbiter of the Board! Has he actually read the rules, I wonder?

 

I doubt it too as he's been too busy shooting at windmills lately.

 

If one cannot distinguish between photos in public settings versus private settings, there's no sense even discussing the issue. For example, Bkkguy, you might agree that the lovely gay pride photos poster FH kindly provided involved guys parading in public and it's slightly likely that they noticed the thousands of cameras aimed at them. So too with the boys parading up and down Dongtan Beach. They're not wearing those outfits (thank god) not to get noticed!

[Guest]

My original set of 3 photos did not include any full facial pics. I added the others in response to requests.

 

These are photos of people on a public beach (which may or may not be the gay section) & I do not believe they are compromising. I believe my photos are comparable with the precedent set by other posters & would have no problem with a similar photo of myself being posted.

 

Thank you to members for mainly supporting me on this matter.

[Gaybutton]

Thank you to members for mainly supporting me on this matter.

The only objection I have is you haven't posted more pics. If you've got 'em, post 'em.

[KhorTose]

maybe we should just rename this to the Puea Thai web site - double standards seem to be the order of the day!

 

bkkguy

 

Well that answers my question. Now I know you are just a jerk looking to start fights. My solution to you is to put you on ignore and go on with my life. I have no time for crap and I sense that is exactly what you are about.

[Guest fountainhall]

heaven forbid we should attack a forum for a moderator going against its own constitution

Your tactic is quite clear on this and some other threads, bkkguy. You make unwarranted accusations and assumptions against posters (this time including a moderator), stir up the pot – and then quietly slink off to some hole when your allegations turn out to be none other than fanciful fits of an over-ripe imagination.

 

On this thread, you have sarcastically leveiled an accusation that a moderator does not know the Board’s rules. You have made accusations against myself, anyone (which should read 'anonone'), Thaiworthy and Rogie.

 

Well, we have answered all your points. We have provided evidence that the posts are very far from breaching any Board regulation. We have pointed out that you, more than anyone, has gone much closer to identifying those in the photographs by being the only poster – I repeat, “the only poster” – specifically to use the terms “gay” and “gay beach”. Will you now apologise to the "parents" of those “waiters” whom, you have alleged, have been “identified” as being photographed on a “gay beach” (all your words, remember - never mentioned anywhere else in this thread)?

 

Apart from your very specific and false allegations, you end with a pretty pathetic insinuation -

 

maybe we should just rename this to the Puea Thai web site - double standards seem to be the order of the day!

Will you now “fess up”, once again to use your own words, and retract them, which is very much in accordance with the Regulations governing this Board?

 

Will you now apologise for taking a phrase from the regulations out of context and giving members a false impression of what the rules really state?

 

No, of course you won’t, because that, bkkguy, is not your style. So let us remind you of another of the Membership Policies regarding Code of Conduct –

 

The expected conduct standard for the Gay Thailand forums is the same as that observed everyday in society by adults . . . It is based on straightforward mature behavior, civility and courtesy that you find in a neighborhood Pub or Tavern where neighbors and acquaintances joined by occasional strangers come together to socialize in good temper

In a pub or a tavern, you may recall, if one member in a group slags off at others in the group with inaccurate facts and inaccurate assumptions, it is usual for that person, in the spirit of “civility and courtesy”, to admit that he got it wrong. Now it’s time for you to “fess up” (your words). Or are you just going to slink back into the darkness again? Perhaps you'll instead just sign off with your cowardly cop-out phrase, “if getting your knickers in such a twist about my posts then I think you need to get a life?” (if you want a posting reference for that quote, I will provide one - but I am sure you know where it is.)

[Rogie]

Life will go on at Dongtan beach as it always has, the boys and the girls, the gays and the straights, the Russians and the masseurs, the video peddlers and the Akha tribeswomen, all blissfully unaware there has been such a brouhaha on Gay Thailand.

[bkkguy]

We have pointed out that you, more than anyone, has gone much closer to identifying those in the photographs by being the only poster – I repeat, “the only poster” – specifically to use the terms “gay” and “gay beach”. Will you now apologise to the "parents" of those “waiters” whom, you have alleged, have been “identified” as being photographed on a “gay beach” (all your words, remember - never mentioned anywhere else in this thread)?

 

this web site is called www.gaythailand.com, a quick Google search on dongtan gay beach returns more than 300,000 results in 40 seconds and you seriously expect me to accept that it is only because of my "fertile imagination" and my irresponsible use of the the term "gay beach" that there is any prospect of anyone who stumbles on these photos may in any way associate these guys with the gay scene here?

 

and as to my supposedly taken out of context quote about "tacit approval" - are you 100% sure that none of the guys in the photos are actually go-go or host bar workers where tacit approval applies? because I think I can identify at least one of them as a go-go boy if that was allowed

 

and you can quote "no expectation of privacy in a public place" till the cows come home but why do so many falung not want their picture taken at public gay events and so many thai guys at go-go, host and massage venues not want their pics on the venue web site? many people do want to keep some areas of their life private even in "public" places where they only expect to be exposed to "like-minded" people but once the pictures get on the Internet things get out of control - but if you and this site do not see a privacy issue here then fine, you are probably doing nothing wrong as far as the law is concerned

 

and you want double standards? thaiworthy blatantly posts they he wished "someone had the guts to post your picture, bkkguy. Suitable for framing, or just being framed" which I would have thought was defiantly against the Covenant but there has been no reaction from the management, the moderators or other posters here because I am not one of the "pillars" of this forum!

 

and you want more double standards? the Covenant goes out of its way to protect the members of this board and minimally protect the sex workers they associate with but as this thread and the Japan prank thread shows everyone else may or may not be worth considering

 

and if we were having this discussion in a hypothetical pub this is the point where I would "slink back into the darkness" because it should be obvious to both of us that there is no common ground to continue this discussion and you and others here can draw whatever conclusions you want from that!

 

bkkguy

[Guest fountainhall]

this web site is called www.gaythailand.com, a quick Google search on dongtan gay beach returns more than 300,000 results in 40 seconds and you seriously expect me to accept that it is only because of my "fertile imagination" and my irresponsible use of the the term "gay beach" that there is any prospect of anyone who stumbles on these photos may in any way associate these guys with the gay scene here?

What sort of twisted logic are you now applying? Your reasoning is faulty, your assumptions inaccurate, and you go about introducing misleading elements which have never been part of the discussion/argument. You then make further totally childish accusations! You sound more and more like the poster named beachlover!

 

You think anyone, on the basis of the photos posted, prior to your mentioning "gay" and "gay beach", would be so concerned they'd look up Dongtan Beach? Well, if they googled "Dongtan Beach Pattaya", they'd find the first website (after 1 hotel site) is this -

 

http://www.paradise-pattaya.com/dongtan-beach.html

 

And what if they checked "Dongtan Beach Jomtien"? Oops, here there is a difference! There are actually 3 hotel sites before the same one I just quoted.

 

Now, no doubt you will find it really odd that there is no mention whatever about it being a "gay beach"? What a pity! Perhaps you should write to the site owners to tell them they have made a major error!

 

But then again, you decided to look up "Dongtan gay beach". So, once again it is you who introduces the gay element into a thread that, let's remember, had nothing to do about any "gay" beach before your interventions.

 

Yes, I have indeed drawn my conclusion. But you surprise me! You haven't yet trotted out your "get a life!" solution!

[bkkguy]

But you surprise me! You haven't yet trotted out your "get a life!" solution!

 

sorry I forgot - "get a life"

 

bkkguy

[Guest anonone]

I am still chuckling over the thought of Mama back in Isan scouring the internet for pictures of her son in the gay Thailand forums.....

 

I would wager that even if she was surfing the net AND she stumbled across this thread, she would simply have more proof that falangs are more than a bit crazy in what they discuss ad naseum.

 

I (and I also speak for "anyone") firmly align myself with the pillars of the forum that this is much ado about nothing.

 

My BF has introduced me to a marvelous new phrase...."blah, blah,blah". Seems very appropriate here.

[Guest fountainhall]

this is much ado about nothing

With all respect, I suggest accusing a moderator several times of violating the Board rules in such a cavalier fashion calls for a detailed point-by-point response.

 

I loved your description of Isaan mamas glued to gaythailand posts!

[Guest thaiworthy]

this is much ado about nothing.

As far as bkkguy is concerned, it is usually much ado about anything.

[TotallyOz]

With all respect, I suggest accusing a moderator several times of violating the Board rules in such a cavalier fashion calls for a detailed point-by-point response.

 

I loved your description of Isaan mamas glued to gaythailand posts!

 

I hope all the mama's are glued here.

[Guest]

Here's one from a previous trip, demonstrating the pleasing effect that water can have on light coloured fabrics.

[KhorTose]

Love the shape of those pants.

[Guest thaiworthy]

Another great photo and no identifiable faces to irritate the irascible rascal.

 

No ice sculptures either, although they seem to cold enough to be braving an iceberg!

 

The brand name on those undies is interesting. When I googled "Bras," guess what came up? Bras! Yuck! Wonder what the word in front of it is. Not quite that familiar a trademark, I would guess.

[Guest fountainhall]

no identifiable faces to irritate the irascible rascal

But there are a couple of identifiable scars and a tattoo. Better check the rules

[Guest]

Do we have to stir that up again?

 

I'm just hoping to see a few more beach photos.

Even if it is of people shamelessly walking along a beach which might even contain a few gay customers.

[Guest fountainhall]

Do we have to stir that up again?

 

Don't get me wrong! I love all the photos. I was merely following on from thaiworthy's post by being cynical, as I had hoped the presence of the icons would indicate! Do please post more.

[Guest]

I'm more or less through the full set at this stage.

 

 

 

 

A young gentleman with near transparent trunks and he knows it.......

[Guest buckbee]

Excellent shots z909, I feel like a trip to the beach What camera are you using?

[Guest]

What camera are you using?

Just a Panasonic TZ9, one of those compacts with good zoom range. The TZ range is called ZS in some markets, including the US.

Obviously an SLR would take better pictures, but I just want to carry a compact camera.

 

The trade off with these compact superzoom cameras is sometimes weak performance in poor light, e.g. photos taken under weak artificial light in a hotel room. That was certainly the case with the TZ3 which I was using previously.

 

Time taken to wake up, zoom & shoot is also a factor. Look at what got away in this shot.

[Guest thaiworthy]

Just a Panasonic TZ9, one of those compacts with good zoom range. The TZ range is called ZS in some markets, including the US.

Obviously an SLR would take better pictures, but I just want to carry a compact camera.

 

The trade off with these compact superzoom cameras is sometimes weak performance in poor light, e.g. photos taken under weak artificial light in a hotel room. That was certainly the case with the TZ3 which I was using previously.

 

Time taken to wake up, zoom & shoot is also a factor. Look at what got away in this shot.

 

I have that problem too. Response time will be added to the checklist for my next camera purchase.

 

I am in the market for a new camera. Z, since you are considering a new camera too, what would you buy today? I am interested in simple, easy to operate, goof-proof, and no blurry pictures (an occasional problem for me). Anybody else got any suggestions? Much appreciated. For all my clamoring about the iPhone, I don't think FH used one to take his photos either, most definitely!

[Guest fountainhall]

I don't think FH used one to take his photos

 

I have a 5-year old Sony point-and-press which I carry around with me virtually everywhere. For trips like the ones to Harbin and Taipei, I also take along the mid-sized Sony HX-1. It is certainly too large for pockets, but I love it because it has a 20x zoom which produces pretty good results under most lighting conditions. I would never have another camera unless I could get the same zoom length. I love it.

[Guest snapshot]

Nice photos but I'm not sure they represent an accurate picture of Dongtan Beach... it usually resembles something more like an outdoor morgue.