Russian chemical/biological/nuclear weapons general assassinated in Moscow

[unicorn]

https://news.sky.com/story/igor-kirillov-russian-general-in-charge-of-nuclear-troops-killed-by-blast-in-moscow-13275251

"A senior Russian general in charge of nuclear protection forces has been killed by a bomb hidden in an electric scooter, Russia's investigative committee says. Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, who is in charge of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical [weapons], died in the street outside a block of flats about four miles (7km) southeast of the Kremlin... Photographs posted on Russian Telegram channels showed two bodies lying in the blood-stained snow next to the wrecked entrance to a building....".

(Warning: Vinapu, since you won't look at stories showing the bodies of murderers, look no further)

 

[Riobard]

Scooters in that weather; Russians are tough.

[reader]

This has echoes of an army in disarray. We saw it in Germany during the later half of WWII with assassination of senior field-grade Wehrmacht officers and again in Vietnam with incidents of "fragging" of mostly company-grade US officers in the field. It typically has its roots in widespread dissatisfaction at various levels of command.

 

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, unicorn said:

(Warning: Vinapu, since you won't look at stories showing the bodies of murderers, look no further)

 

body bags are ok, it's faces of dying or already dead people being shown I consider poor taste 

[unicorn]

8 hours ago, reader said:

This has echoes of an army in disarray. We saw it in Germany during the later half of WWII with assassination of senior field-grade Wehrmacht officers and again in Vietnam with incidents of "fragging" of mostly company-grade US officers in the field. It typically has its roots in widespread dissatisfaction at various levels of command.

I don't think it's known yet who's responsible. My first thought was that it could be the Ukrainians. I suspect the Syrians don't have the resources to carry out such a plot against Assad...

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, unicorn said:

I don't think it's known yet who's responsible. 

it could be not related to either politics or military activities but rather criminal making even ?

[Moses]

10 hours ago, unicorn said:

My first thought was that it could be the Ukrainians.

Correct. The SBU has taken responsibility.

This is not the first terrorist act they have committed. A general is a legitimate target in a war.

But when they blew up a cafe in St. Petersburg and 40 people died, or blew up cars with civilians - these are war crimes.

I have no doubt that Russia will answer. Last time, the headquarters of the SBU was destroyed by a hypersonic missile for the explosion in the cafe, about 100 officers of SBU died in 1 min. This time, they can knock on some bunker with an Oreshnik - there is no escape from an Oreshnik: there are no means of interception, and even a 500 kg blank head instead of a warhead at a speed of 10 Machs causes an impact like almost a ton of TNT. Each missile has 6-12 warheads. 

[reader]

24 minutes ago, Moses said:

I have no doubt that Russia will answer. Last time, the headquarters of the SBU was destroyed by a hypersonic missile for the explosion in the cafe, about 100 officers of SBU died in 1 min. This time, they can knock on some bunker with an Oreshnik - there is no escape from an Oreshnik: there are no means of interception, and even a 500 kg blank head instead of a warhead at a speed of 10 Machs causes an impact like almost a ton of TNT. Each missile has 6-12 warheads. 

I think you're becoming aroused.

[Moses]

26 minutes ago, reader said:

I think you're becoming aroused.

You think? It's good. It's bad that you try on "what would have happened to me in his place?"

[Moses]

Russia doesn't even need to conduct reconnaissance - all Ukrainian bunkers were built in the USSR, there is complete documentation with coordinates for everything.

It would have been possible to remove the entire top of the state long ago.

Or you can think about the bridges across the Dnieper. There are only 17 of them. And they were also all built in the USSR.

Remove 17 bridges - and Ukraine will be cut in half by a river, 500 to 1500 meters wide. And there will be no more shells at the front, no more missiles. Because there are no more military airfields on the eastern side, and you can't transport so much by ferry.

You can also think about the tunnels, also built in the USSR - they go through the Carpathian Mountains on the border with the EU. There are only 7 of them.

Do you understand what I mean? Russia is still complacent. All the bridges and tunnels are in place, in working order. Bunkers too. For now.

Why? Because it is an excellent lever for negotiations: if we will not get agreement, then this, this and this will happen. And after "This and this" all the weapons that NATO wants to pump into Ukraine will remain in Polish warehouses. Because there will be no railways or roads to deliver these weapons to the front.

[Moses]

And when the US administration says that Ukraine itself must decide what to do, there is no limit to the deceit: because the expired President Zelensky is the person who least of all wants the war to end, he knows that as soon as the war ends, he will cease to be president, and US special forces will evacuate him from Ukraine, just as Russia evacuated Assad.

[Moses]

And by the way, your headline is completely propaganda and false: Kirillov was not "General of Russian chemical/biological/nuclear weapons", he was the head of the troops for protection against chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. These troops develop protection and eliminate the consequences of the use of such weapons.

They were the ones who dealt with Chernobyl in the first week after the accident and more than 1000 soldiers and officers died there.

Here in WIKI there is more about the troops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_NBC_Protection_Troops

And when COVID came, it was Kirillov who headed the Russian work on developing a vaccine against COVID, for the fact that under his leadership Russia was the first in the world to receive "Sputnik", Kirillov was awarded the highest order of Russia, which is called "Hero of Labor", this is not a military award.

[unicorn]

2 hours ago, Moses said:

...This is not the first terrorist act they have committed. A general is a legitimate target in a war...

What you said makes zero sense (as usual). If a general is a legitimate target in a war, then killing him is not a terrorist act. Duh. However, the many civilians the Russian forces have killed and targeted, as well as civilian infrastructure, are examples of terrorist activity. Russians attack civilians and civilian structures. Ukrainians attack legitimate military targets. Big difference. And use of chemical weapons, in Syria as in the Ukraine, constitutes a war crime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-breached-global-chemical-weapons-ban-ukraine-war-us-says-2024-05-01/

"...Chloropicrin is listed as a banned choking agent by the Hague-based Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which was created to implement and monitor compliance with the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). German forces fired the gas against Allied troops during World War I in one of the first uses of a chemical weapon.
Earlier this month, Reuters reported the Ukrainian military as saying Russia has stepped up its illegal of use riot control agents as it presses its biggest advances in eastern Ukraine in more than two years. In addition to chloropicrin, Russian forces have used grenades loaded with CS and CN gases, the Ukrainian military says. It says at least 500 Ukrainian soldiers have been treated for exposure to toxic substances and one was killed by suffocating on tear gas...". 

[Tomtravel]

They guy deserved to be blown-up and its a great reminder for the moscovites (who have somewhat comfy life „with GDP +3%“) they are in a war and it will reach them as well, under their own belly.

[Keithambrose]

23 hours ago, reader said:

This has echoes of an army in disarray. We saw it in Germany during the later half of WWII with assassination of senior field-grade Wehrmacht officers and again in Vietnam with incidents of "fragging" of mostly company-grade US officers in the field. It typically has its roots in widespread dissatisfaction at various levels of command.

 

I have an American  friend who was a junior officer in Vietnam.  He said  he spent some time avoiding being shot by his own troops, who were high on drugs

[Moses]

2 hours ago, unicorn said:

killing him is not a terrorist act

An explosion at the entrance to a residential building is definitely a terrorist act. Not only the target is important, but also the location.

[Moses]

2 hours ago, unicorn said:

attack legitimate military targets

that exactly why I pointed what Ukrainian state blew up cafe in Sankt-Petersburg. 40civilians. 156 civilians injured in Sevastopol on the beach. Would you like confirm what both cases are "legitimate"?

[Moses]

2 hours ago, unicorn said:

grenades loaded with CS and CN gases

this is just regular tear gases, every state uses it, even on own citizens... speaking about chlorpicrine - Ukrainians started to use it right from 2022

[Moses]

3 hours ago, unicorn said:

And use of chemical weapons, in Syria as in the Ukraine, constitutes a war crime.

Dear, UK still has no proof of using Novichok... since 2018... how many propaganda has been published, and still no any court decision...

When Navalny was "poisoned" (according to Western propaganda) for the first time, he went to Germany for treatment, where they took all possible tests: blood, urine, hair, skin, clothes. And still no official statements. Do you think they would have kept silent if they had found even the slightest evidence?

When Navalny died in the colony, his body was given to his relatives and they allowed him to send it abroad. And since then, there have been no statements from specialists. Do you think they are hiding the truth from you?

After the first use of chemical weapons by Ukraine, Russia collected evidence and handed it over to the OCPW. So they are silent. Because otherwise there will be a scandal.

[unicorn]

9 hours ago, Moses said:

An explosion at the entrance to a residential building is definitely a terrorist act. Not only the target is important, but also the location.

Stupid statement, again. The target was a VERY legitimate military one, and care was taken to minimize collateral damage. The proof's in the pudding: only the general and his military aide were killed. Russian bombings of civilian targets, with no military objective and multiple civilian deaths, have been numerous, as you are well-aware. Only an insane person would compare the two.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-air-attacks-pound-kharkiv-injure-several-people-ukraines-officials-say-2024-10-28/

"A Russian guided bomb attack on Kharkiv on Monday shattered much of the Derzhprom building, one of the most celebrated landmarks in Ukraine's second city, dating from the 1920s. Six people were injured in the 9 p.m. (1900 GMT) strike, adding to 13 wounded in an earlier overnight bomb attack on the city. In the central Ukrainian city of Kryvyi Rih, a Russian missile struck a three-storey residential building, killing one person and wounding at least 11... "The occupiers have struck an iconic symbol of the city, known to all residents of Kharkiv," Oleh Syniehubov, governor of Kharkiv region, wrote on Telegram. He said several floors had been destroyed.
The Derzhprom building, placed on the "tentative" list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, was completed in 1928 when Kharkiv was the capital of Soviet Ukraine...".

Obviously no military advantage to be gained: the only purpose was to terrorize civilians and destroy a cultural heritage.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/russian-strike-on-crowded-ukraine-market-leaves-many-dead-blinken-visit

"A Russian strike has hit a crowded market in the Ukrainian city of Kostiantynivka, killing at least 17 people, as the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, was in Kyiv for an unannounced visit, his first for a year to the Ukrainian capital. Ukrainian officials said a further 32 people were wounded in the attack...". 

Once again, bombing a civilian food market has no military objective. The only goal, clearly, comprises terrorizing the civilian population.

[Moses]

1 hour ago, unicorn said:

The Derzhprom building, placed on the "tentative" list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites, was completed in 1928 when Kharkiv was the capital of Soviet Ukraine...".

Obviously no military advantage to be gained: the only purpose was to terrorize civilians and destroy a cultural heritage.

Stateprom (Derzhprom) never been civilian - it is industrial building https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derzhprom with offices of state agencies.

This is result of Ukrainian strike by Gornalsky monastery (est. 1672) not far from Kursk:

 

I can collect a lot such facts. It is so easy. You are brainwashed, because Western propaganda will cry from every speaker about strikes of Russia, but they will never give you real picture of war crimes of Ukraine.

Russia does not attack passenger buses or buses with agricultural workers, private cars with drones, as Ukraine does in the Russian border territories almost every day.

Just today: city bus in Gorlovka. "25" in number of city line.

Summer 2024. Bus of "Agro-Belogorie" company - agriculture company.

 

 

Russia makes 100-150 launches nightly, uses 8000-15000 shells daily. Ukraine reports about 3-5-6 causalities. That clear says what causalities are collateral. 

(HRMMU) had verified that conflict-related violence had killed 11,743 civilians since Feb 2022 as of Oct 1 2024. It is 4 times less than Israel killed in Gaza in 2 weeks.

[10tazione]

15 hours ago, Moses said:

Russia doesn't even need to conduct reconnaissance - all Ukrainian bunkers were built in the USSR, there is complete documentation with coordinates for everything.

It would have been possible to remove the entire top of the state long ago.

Then why Russia chose the way of war with 10.000s of death?

[Moses]

23 minutes ago, 10tazione said:

Then why Russia chose the way of war with 10.000s of death?

10000 deaths on 1500 km of front line in 1000 days means 0.0067 deaths per 1 km of war front per day. It is 1000 times less than number of deaths on Ukrainian roads per day (6.7).

December 14 2024. Ukrainian dron drops explosive on school bus in Shevchenkovo.

[Moses]

Dec 13. Golaya Pristan. Passenger bus on local city line. 1 died, 2 injured.

[Moses]

State Ukrainian terrorists use disposable cheap drones-kamikadze with range up to 50-60 km and battery limit up to 2 hours. When they can't find military target within limits, they drop mines/shells to places where it may make max damage: busses, cars, private homes.

Dec 6, 2024, Shebekino city. Private car, 1 person injured:

 

When attacking buildings, they use a double strike technique: first, one drone attacks the building with an incendiary mixture, and 10-15 minutes later, the second drone attacks the firefighters who are putting out the fire there.

Gorlovka town.