Goober Posted December 14 Posted December 14 Now donOLD is backpedaling on his promises to fix inflation. Are MAGAts too stupid to realize they've been conned (again)??? https://l.smartnews.com/p-15frx2E/429vsy From BuzzFeed: On August 15, Trump held a press conference in New Jersey, where he had a table full of groceries beside him. "Grocery prices have skyrocketed; how can a family afford that? So, when I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said. On September 23, Trump visited a grocery store in Kittanning, Pennsylvania, and paid for multiple customers' groceries. "We'll do that for you from the White House, alright?" Trump said while waving to the crowd. Here's Trump saying it loud and clear at a rally on November 4th, 2024: "A vote for Trump means your groceries will be cheaper." Even after winning the 2024 election, Trump claimed groceries were the main reason he won. "I won on groceries. A very simple word, groceries," he said in a Meet The Press interview. "I started using the word. The groceries. When you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, they would double and triple the price over a short period of time." In a recent Times Magazine interview, Trump claimed that failing to bring down prices should not mean his presidency was a failure. In the interview, Trump was directly asked: "If the prices of groceries don't come down, will your presidency be a failure?" To which he responds, "I don't think so. Look, they got them up. I'd like to bring them down," Trump responded. "It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard." https://www.quora.com/ Question: Why did donald trump blatantly lie about lowering grocery prices? Answer: Because that is what voters wanted to hear. There was literally no other reason. Most politicians will bend the truth or even lie a little bit in order to get votes. Trump is among the worst examples of history of a politician that will straight up LIE repeatedly, about ANYTHING that will get voters on his side. No matter how impossible or ridiculous. People think immigration is bad? “I’m going to deport ALL the immigrants!” See also, “I’ll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it” People think China is treating us unfairly for some reason? “I’m going to tax China with tariffs!” (set aside that that’s not how it works.) People think prices are too high? “I’m going to lower prices.” People think taxes are too high? “I’m going to lower taxes.” People don’t like Obamacare? “I’m going to kill Obamacare.” People love this one without realizing that the ACA is the same thing, and they are currently using it. People don’t like the war in Ukraine? “I’m going to end the war on day one.” I could sit here and type this all day long and not run out of examples. You asked just about one of them. The list reaches to Jupiter and back. The real question you should be asking is, with all of these examples, why the hell do people still believe him? That there is a real head scratcher. Bingo T Dog and stevenkesslar 2 Quote
Members Suckrates Posted December 14 Members Posted December 14 29 minutes ago, Goober said: Now donOLD is backpedaling on his promises to fix inflation. Are MAGAts too stupid to realize they've been conned (again)??? https://l.smartnews.com/p-15frx2E/429vsy People think immigration is bad? “I’m going to deport ALL the immigrants!” See also, “I’ll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it” People think China is treating us unfairly for some reason? “I’m going to tax China with tariffs!” (set aside that that’s not how it works.) People think prices are too high? “I’m going to lower prices.” People think taxes are too high? “I’m going to lower taxes.” People don’t like Obamacare? “I’m going to kill Obamacare.” People love this one without realizing that the ACA is the same thing, and they are currently using it. People don’t like the war in Ukraine? “I’m going to end the war on day one.” I could sit here and type this all day long and not run out of examples. You asked just about one of them. The list reaches to Jupiter and back. The real question you should be asking is, with all of these examples, why the hell do people still believe him? That there is a real head scratcher. Because they CHOOSE to believe him because they want things to change, but they aint gettin nuthin from this Conman. And they sho as hell dont want to admit "THEY were wrong and fools all along".... stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted December 14 Members Posted December 14 2 hours ago, Suckrates said: And they sho as hell dont want to admit "THEY were wrong and fools all along".... Haven't we been here and done this before? Like when all those working class MAGA people who said Trump would never cut their Obamacare suddenly turned against him when he almost cut their Obamacare? Isn't that why Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats crushed Republicans in 2018? I do think there is an interesting and crucial point to be made. And it is a bit premature. Because the people who slice and dice the votes and match them to voter files have not done their job yet. But based on approval ratings, I think it's probably true that Donald Trump won the Presidency because young people who have no idea why he failed as POTUS the first time around voted for him. Everyone else still views him unfavorably. I think we have to also add a small and decisive slice of mostly younger men, guys who could have legally voted in 2020 but instead just liked the Nelk Boys, who Trump - to his credit - was smart enough to pay attention to and swoon to his side in 2024. If this is true, only one of two things can happen. Most likely, Trump fails again. Because the small group of younger voters who were going through puberty during the Obamacare battles, and didn't know he is an asshole and incompetent 24/7, will now figure it out. Or, alternatively, maybe Trump will moderate and become more competent. The Mark Halperin/Sean Spicer theory (on their 2way podcast) is that Trump wants to be on Mount Rushmore. So he will moderate and do what it takes to actually win the center. I ain't holding my breath. I think he is simply an incompetent blowhard who is a bad leader. And age is not making him wiser. Just older. 2 hours ago, Goober said: The real question you should be asking is, with all of these examples, why the hell do people still believe him? That there is a real head scratcher. This helps explain why people still believe him. Of course, slightly over half the country clearly does not believe Trump. So he only got 49.9 % of the vote in his so-called "mandate". Elon Musk believes Trump when he says he will cut Musk's taxes. And probably deregulate crypto so that Musk can maybe figure out some new and even more toxic thing like subprime mortgage derivatives that will blow up the financial system. But that's not what low info voters who are pissed about inflation are thinking about. And lots of MAGA blowhards believe Trump when he says he will just blow things up. Who cares if he blows up the Dept. of Veterans Affairs? Well, maybe veterans. Who cares if Trump blows up health care? Well, maybe people on Obamacare. So some part of this has to be the idea that people who really should know better, just don't. Is that hard to believe, when @EmmetKruelty, a Gay military veteran, idolizes action figure Pete Hegseth, a bigoted womanizer who trashes Gays in the military? @EmmetKruelty is a cruel, stupid, and self-loathing Gay man. Any of those three adjectives explain why a Gay military veteran idolizes a Gay-bashing womanizing alcoholic who is unqualified to run the military. Go figure. There are clearly millions of people who voted for Trump mostly because they don't like Biden and inflation. As you noted, @Goober, saying he would lower grocery costs was enough. It is actually kind of logical, if you are a low information voter. Prices did go up a lot under Biden. Why not roll the dice and try Plan B? Trump himself stated in his NBC interview he won for two reasons: grocery prices, and the border. Trump may be a failed loser and felon. But he ain't stupid. I think the biggest nail in Trump's coffin, as far as his wish to be a successful or even great President the second time around, is the fact that he could only win by convincing people who know nothing about his failed leadership to vote for him: Trump approval: Age 65+ (Boomers): 46 % approve, 52 % disapprove 45- 64 (Gen X): 49 % approve, 48 % disapprove 30-44 (Millennials): 44 % approval, 48 % disapproval under 30 (Zoomers): 52 % approval, 40 % disapproval As Trump himself noted in his NBC interview, his support among young voters is kind of amazing for a Republican. And, again, these are approval ratings after Trump won. Not how people voted. But anybody who is over 30 remembers Trump 1.0. A Zoomer was is 18 in Nov. 2024 was 10 when Trump was first elected. And about 11 when the Obamacare wars happened. So of course it's easy for them to believe that Biden and Harris sucked on rent and gas and grocery prices, compared to some guy who was POTUS when they were 11. And even if they were 18 in 2016, and know Trump was obnoxious, they are more concerned about their rent than Trump's obnoxious behavior. The big problem for Trump is this: how likely is it he will lower rent, or be less obnoxious? Even if Trump does not let Musk blow up the economy with crypto the way W. let Wall Street blow up the economy with subprime mortgage derivatives in 2008, rent ain't gonna go down. And Trump will probably just look old and obnoxious. So just like in 2016 the seeds of Trump's wipeout are built into his narrow victory. The slightly surprising thing to me in that approval chart above is that even people 45-64, basically Gen Xers, barely approve of Trump, 49/48. I know this well, anecdotally. I have an affluent white niece who is a typical corporate conservative, and actually likes the blowhard rhetoric. My corporate Independent Gen X nephew, who has thought of running for Congress but knows he is too moderate to win either a D or R primary, probably held his nose and voted for Trump. I'll find out when I visit him soon. He'd much rather vote for a Mitt Romney or Andy Beshear. He has conservative views on taxes and tariffs. But even these smart Gen X types, who grew up under Reagan and are right-of-center and mostly White and affluent, don't really like Trump all that much. People I deeply admire, like Ruy Teixeira, are saying Democrats should be freaking out and changing course because Biden only got something like 55 % of the Latino vote. I agree. That said, Jimmy Carter also only got 55 % of the Latino vote in 1980. Which until Harris was an all time low. So is this a realignment? Or is this just what one should expect in any election where working class Latinos, and young guys who laugh at the Nelk Boys, are pissed about rent and gas prices? People in my family tend to be good at math. "Regression to the mean" suggests that when the focus is off Biden and inflation and on Trump for not lowering rent or grocery prices and probably doing all kinds of other crazy shit, Latinos and young voters will shift back to the mean. Meaning a Democrat, who almost won in 2024, could win in 2028. I'm not saying that Democrat is Harris. I am saying she had a huge global deck stacked against her, and she lost much more narrowly to Trump than Trump lost to Biden in 2020. We'll find out soon enough. But I don't think any of this is good news for Trump. Any more than it was when he barely won in 2016. The thing I find amusing about reading a few of @EmmetKruelty's posts is that he pretty much is the poster child for all the reasons Trump will fail. Just lots of cruel, stupid shit based on a mountain of lies and venom. Quote
Members Suckrates Posted December 14 Members Posted December 14 23 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: 23 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: The thing I find amusing about reading a few of @EmmetKruelty's posts is that he pretty much is the poster child for all the reasons Trump will fail. Just lots of cruel, stupid shit based on a mountain of lies and venom. And a Trump Train goin NOWHERE, but headed for Destruction ! stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted December 14 Members Posted December 14 5 minutes ago, Suckrates said: And a Trump Train goin NOWHERE, but headed for Destruction ! So sad! Quote
