Looks like its days are numbered

[Guest HeyGay]

Oh Dear, I was in La Cage over the weekend I noticed all the electrical goods from around the bar was missing. I asked the Thai boy there named Joe, what's going on! It would seem there are bills to pay, but not from the bar, his bills, to which made the owner MIKE, leave over night, owing to a very nasty business. In brief from what I hear from the staff and those in the know, stems from what some Asians love to do most: Gambling. It all reads like a chapter in a Asian Novel with mafia and threats. So I'm sure Mike did the right thing by packing his bags after a severe warning, and catching the next flight out of Paradise. Even though it would seem, he is the innocent party in what could only be a night mare of circumstances, he has found him self in the middle of.

 

Its a shame, what a good man he was and worked so tirelessly to keep the bar interesting. To be brought down by this still unraveling drama. The lease is up at December, so if the rent is paid up till then, it will be a miracle, especially with this Thai boys reputation of gambling. He's playing with every ones life, including Mikes by the sound of it. I also hear this is not the first time this has happened.

 

I also hear from many owners Miss Sunee will not give any guarantees she is even going to renew the leases, owning to a big sell on the offing of all her properties. Owing to she is getting older and does not now need all the aggravation the portfolio brings her, all will unfold over the next 18 months as leases come up for renewal.

 

I hear these stories all the time: a farang does all he can to help a Thai boy, even if he is no longer the boyfriend. Then the boy does all he can to bring you down, some just see love affection and kindness as a weakness, to use and make use of. In a very negative way, some times with the threat of death if you don't pay up.

 

Looks like it will be a very sad Birthday Party; this year at least he is still alive now.

 

 

http://www.gaypattay....html#2206mikes

[Bob]

Its a shame, what a good man he was

 

No, the real shame in my view is somebody posting private gossip about somebody's private behavior that's, frankly, none of our business. You're obviously no a friend of his.

 

[To my knowledge, I've never met the guy nor was ever in his bar; nevertheless, I actually feel sorry for the guy after reading this inconsiderate hack job]

[Guest voldemar]

I see the post of Bob as a direct atttack on the poster named Hey Gay. I frankly do not understand why the poster named Bob is allowed to offend other posters in clear violation of posting rules.

[Guest Martelly]

I think Heyguy has wrote fair about what has happened at la cage.

It's no secret In Sunnee. He has wrote nice things about Mike.

 

Bob, should not insult heyday for his post, it is wrong.

 

La Cage was a good business. If it comes up for rent, I wouldn't mind to take it over for a bit of fun.

If Mike reads the forums and wants to sell or boyfriend to sell the lease send me a pm.

[Bob]

I see the post of Bob as a direct atttack on the poster named Hey Gay. I frankly do not understand why the poster named Bob is allowed to offend other posters in clear violation of posting rules.

 

I am most definitely attacking the post that was made - or at least that portion that gossips about the guy's private issues.

 

The fact that the mods or owner have allowed this gossip to stand and/or that others haven't criticized it is both surprising and rather disappointing to me.

[Guest fountainhall]

I also hear from many owners Miss Sunee will not give any guarantees she is even going to renew the leases, owning to a big sell on the offing of all her properties. Owing to she is getting older and does not now need all the aggravation the portfolio brings her, all will unfold over the next 18 months as leases come up for renewal.

On the original post, I am concerned also at the 'rumour' quite plained spelled out that all properties in Sunee are likely to be sold off within 18 months. I can find no reference to this 'rumour' elsewhere. Is this in the same class of rumour as some other 'facts' the poster has occasionally regailed us with - remember the Ocean 1 development (has anything really changed there in the last 6 months)? - or is it just some gossip idly picked up and passed on? After all, we know how much store the OP sets on facts -

 

I don’t think this is the place for hearsay, Gossip and unfounded allegations, innuendoes like this . . .

. . . all here say and allegations, with no substance, as if anyone would take notice of, “I had a friend he said” this that and the other.

 

Facts please, backed up with proof that is what I'm looking for, not fantasy allegations.

Mss Sunee turned down the Arabs offer to buy Sunee Plaza

Perhaps The Corner Bar and Yaya can tell us what the owners are actually saying about the future of Sunee, for this is important to all gay residents and visitors.

[Guest HeyGay]

I don't think facts come in anywhere near Gossip and hear-say, I only write facts and do my homework to make sure it is the truth, I know that the truth can also some times be more upsetting then lies or Gossip, but this is something that I think should be made aware to readers, especially if you get Involved with a Thai Boy, who is gambling even and ex-boyfriend in this case and it could involve you fatally in some cases.

 

As I am well known for giving the facts, I think this story should be aired as a warning to others, mind you I could understand any one being up-set if you could prove me wrong, but I have not found any one to do so in all my years of posting, so far.

[Guest fountainhall]

I only write facts and do my homework to make sure it is the truth . . . I am well known for giving the facts.

I am delighted to hear it.

 

Of course, I know nothing of your sources, and they indeed may – as you say - be unimpeachable. But it seems to me from reading back on several threads, that you have a tendency to state 'unimpeachable facts' as being secrets only available to you. Once again, I have no reason to doubt their veracity – other than your own words.

 

The most recent, I believe, was the thread I mentioned above dealing with the Ocean 1 development. Let me take just one example. Here’s your post of 21 January (#4 in the thread Ocean 1 and View Talay) -

 

Well if you have seen any inside scoops from me and you can prove them wrong I'm sure you would have been the first to let the World know, as many others, so No way would I be stupid enough to say things that can be proven to be lies now that would be stupid. . . like the confidence that was trusted to me, about the future development of OCEAN 1 now would you build in this financial atmosphere, of course not!!! so think what you're saying before you put your foot into it, I'm sure your psychiatrist would not betray whatever Information you had given him about your personal circumstances.

Several posters expressed concern at your ‘sources’ and the validity of the ‘facts’. I responded the following day (post #18), of which the following is a part -

 

I know precious little about Ocean 1 . . . Reading this thread made me check out the Ocean 1 website . . . In the Bulletin Board, there are lots of news items. The last is dated 16th March 2009 – almost two years ago. Why no bulletin in such a long time?

 

I do not know of any other developer of such a major project that is so haphazard in the information it gives out on its website. If I were a potential purchaser, it would concern me. As they say, caveat emptor.

Your responses throughout that thread were all along the lines of your final one on the actual subject on 24 January (#26) -

 

Well what I have told you is all I know, if you’re not happy with that, please write to the Company for their response, I’m not there spokes person.

 

Its all getting very boring now, going around and around with no actual facts, about this Company being shysters. As they are not.

You failed to answer several questions, other than to suggest the financial climate was not favourable – (post #24) -

 

“What has this go to do with if it’s a quality Company or when or if they are Building it, the problem has been getting various licenses the Thai Government held up until they were satisfied with the strength of the buildings and environmental issues, those Licenses are now in place. I would imagine there is not further action to the web site as there is no date to build in the financial down turn”

Well, I’ll repeat what I said then. If I were a potential buyer and there had been not one iota of information posted on the developer’s site since March 2009, I’d steer well clear of anything being built by that company.

 

For your information, in the six moths since that thread, there has still been NO further information posted on that website - nothing since March 2009!! This developer is about the worst I have ever come across (and I have worked for some) in keeping the public informed and interested in what is, let's face it, a landmark project launched with a massive fanfare. Perhaps it should now start sharing its secrets with others!

[KhorTose]

I don't think facts come in anywhere near Gossip and hear-say, I only write facts and do my homework to make sure it is the truth, I know that the truth can also some times be more upsetting then lies or Gossip, but this is something that I think should be made aware to readers, especially if you get Involved with a Thai Boy, who is gambling even and ex-boyfriend in this case and it could involve you fatally in some cases.

 

I am involved with a Thai boy and I love him. However, if he got into drugs or gambling I know I would not tolerate it for one minute. Somehow I think your warnings are best left to people who do not have the common sense or self respect to know what behavior should never be tolerated. What I am trying to say is that you should have talked to Mike about his BF's behavior before the crash. As for the rest of us, I do not think we need to be warned or to hear the sordid details. At our age, most of us have been there or done that and know better. Besides if you are correct, Mike has made a stupid mistake. I hope he learns from it, but the last thing he needs right now is to have his nose rubbed in that mistake. I think compassion for Mike should take precedence over any warning to others.

[Guest HeyGay]

Wow you do love to Nit Pick, do you normally try to make such an old fool of your self, if I had crystal balls and could have seen the down turn in the Worlds fanatical Markets, Id be a lot richer again, but Unfortunately these things do and can happen and that has nothing to do with my Impeccable Information, the latest I have heard of that OCEAN ONE Project is it has been SOLD to a Chinese Consortium and are like most multi billion Dollar deals waiting for a turn around in the Money supply and demand, my Information also tells me Apartments are still selling there, and as The City of Pattaya has a lot to gain from it ,with a view to similar projects along Jomtiem Beach, I think you may well eat your words, with in the next 5 years, I would Imagine.I do also hope that satisfies the sherlock Holms in you and any one else who has been there also.

 

 

[Guest fountainhall]

Wow you do love to Nit Pick, do you normally try to make such an old fool of your self . . . that has nothing to do with my Impeccable Information, the latest I have heard of that OCEAN ONE Project is it has been SOLD to a Chinese Consortium and are like most multi billion Dollar deals waiting for a turn around in the Money supply and demand, my Information also tells me Apartments are still selling there . . . I think you may well eat your words, with in the next 5 years

Well, I am delighted that your confidential sources remain active. However, I do not nitpick, as you will undoubtedly be well aware. I merely quote from your specific posts in which you provide us with the benefit of such confidential - and therefore uncheckable - information. We should indeed be grateful to you.

 

As for being sold to a Chinese consortium, I find that information also especially useful, the more so as Chinese property developers have so far only been interested in industrial and commercial projects in Thailand. No doubt Thailand's law restricting farang ownership in apartment blocks has made the country far less attractive to the Chinese for residential development than others in the region which do not have such major profit restrictions. It is pleasing to know this is now not the case.

 

You "think" I may eat my words in "five years?" Apart from the fact that this is indeed quite a long time to see a return on "impeccable information", in view of its reliability, I'd have thought the word "know" would be more appropriate. But I will overlook that and instead look forward to seeing all this materialise as you have so confidently predicted, with the same anticipation as I wait to see what happens to Sunee over the next 18 months.

[TotallyOz]

This developer is about the worst I have ever come across (and I have worked for some) in keeping the public informed and interested in what is, let's face it, a landmark project launched with a massive fanfare.

 

Totally agree! I was almost suckered into this condo with big promised. I am glad I had the common sense not to trust those I met who promised me I could trust them. I'd be out hundreds of thousands of dollars and I'd never live next to Elton.

 

IMHO, this thread has gone way off topic. The topic was bullshit gossip and I suggest the mods end it before it gets worst.

[Guest fountainhall]

The topic was bullshit gossip and I suggest the mods end it before it gets worst.

Indeed it was. But it included information about properties in Sunee being sold off in the next 18 months. I think it would be appropriate at least to wait till those presently renting there can give their views.

[TotallyOz]

Indeed it was. But it included information about properties in Sunee being sold off in the next 18 months. I think it would be appropriate at least to wait till those presently renting there can give their views.

 

Do you honestly think they will give their views?

 

Come on, if true, they will deny it as they won't be able to sell. If not true, they will still deny it.

 

IMHO, there is no other answer they can give that would benefit them.

[Guest fountainhall]

I assumed most 'owners' must be on rentals. If they actually own their premises, how could they be sold off by the lady who seems to own the place?

 

As HeyGay said in the quote above "Mss Sunee turned down the Arabs offer to buy Sunee Plaza."

[TotallyOz]

I assumed most 'owners' must be on rentals. If they actually own their premises, how could they be sold off by the lady who seems to own the place?

 

What is typical in Sunee is you buy a shop and pay "good will" to the owner of the lease. You then get a 3 year lease with Miss Sunee. The "upfront" money is the right to have that business.

 

So, in other words, if you luck into a shop with no upfront money, you may ask 1 million baht down the road to turn your lease over to someone else.

 

I enjoy Sunee and I don't think it will close in 18 months. But, I don't think it will stand the test of time with the Arabs surrounding it and the lack of tourists visiting.

[Guest fountainhall]

Thanks for the clarification, Michael. I, too, hope it will continue for a long time to come.

[Rogie]

The title of this topic,

 

Looks like its days are numbered - They will rely on Thai lady boys

 

has aroused my curiosity

 

Nowhere in the OP's opening post, other than the title, is there anything written about ladyboys.

 

The clear 'reading between the lines' is that the individual(s) alluded to were ladyboys.

 

I could be wrong but it is my understanding the OP is riding a hobby horse here.

 

Ladyboys get a bad enough press - the "Last night a Russian man was pickpocketed by two ladyboys on a baht bus . . . " kind of headlines in local Pattaya rags - without casting aspersions.

 

There are bad apples in any barrel. Whether the barrel be labelled Cox's Orange Pippin (straight boys), Golden Delicious (gay boys) or Granny Smith (ladyboys).

[Guest voldemar]

IMHO, this thread has gone way off topic. The topic was bullshit gossip and I suggest the mods end it before it gets worst.

I think it is quite legitimate to discuss the validity of points made in the original post. I think what is not legitimate is to attack other posters.

Bob attacked Hey Gay not his post. This is a CLEAR valiotation of the rules

and Bob should be punished for that. If moderators deviate from their high standards in this case, non only the thread but the whole message board will go down the hill. Consistency of moderation what differs this message board from others.

I still await clear action of moderators. Bob offended me in the past and I am not going to allow him to behave in this way in the future.

If moderators will not take action against Bob whos behavior is unacceptable, I will out of this board.

[TotallyOz]

I think it is quite legitimate to discuss the validity of points made in the original post. I think what is not legitimate is to attack other posters.

Bob attacked Hey Gay not his post. This is a CLEAR valiotation of the rules

and Bob should be punished for that. If moderators deviate from their high standards in this case, non only the thread but the whole message board will go down the hill. Consistency of moderation what differs this message board from others.

I still await clear action of moderators. Bob offended me in the past and I am not going to allow him to behave in this way in the future.

If moderators will not take action against Bob whos behavior is unacceptable, I will out of this board.

 

You lost me at hello.

 

I read and reread Bob's first post. Not once did I see anything unacceptable. What words offended you? hack job? gossip?

[KhorTose]

I think it is quite legitimate to discuss the validity of points made in the original post. I think what is not legitimate is to attack other posters.

Bob attacked Hey Gay not his post. This is a CLEAR valiotation of the rules

and Bob should be punished for that. If moderators deviate from their high standards in this case, non only the thread but the whole message board will go down the hill. Consistency of moderation what differs this message board from others.

I still await clear action of moderators. Bob offended me in the past and I am not going to allow him to behave in this way in the future.

If moderators will not take action against Bob whos behavior is unacceptable, I will out of this board.

 

I do not read it as an attack on the person, but an attack on the message which is fair game as far as I am concerned. I criticized that ridiculous article of yours about nucs in Venezuela, but said nothing about you directly. Bob is attacking the gossip that Hey Guy posted--same same. If you wish to leave nobody will stop you, and if it is you or Bob who has to go------BYE.

[KhorTose]

 

If moderators will not take action against Bob whos behavior is unacceptable, I will out of this board.

 

Nor do I see any personal attack. Bob is attacking the message and not the poster. When you posted that ridiculous article on Nucs in Venezuela, I put that story down, but not you. Bob is just doing the same thing. However, you are in a tizzy and threatening to leave the board. Sorry but if it comes to you or Bob---especially on this issue---all I can say is Good-bye.

[Guest fountainhall]

Nor do I see any personal attack. Bob is attacking the message and not the poster.

The OP made two allegations: one, about the lack of trustworthiness of a Thai guy which, according to his sources, has resulted in the farang bf leaving Pattaya in haste; the other, about the likelihood – or otherwise, for the post is not clear – about Sunee Plaza as we know it closing down in 18 months.

 

In my view, Bob is absolutely correct to criticize the speculative gossip in the first. Perhaps it is all true, but without substantiation it is merely rumour and gossip attacking an individual. (And, I assume, an individual who is not a member of this Board and is therefore unable to defend himself here). Attacks based merely on rumour and speculation should not, in my view, be permitted. Any poster can claim that his comments are more fact than rumour. But when phrases like “it would seem . . .” and “ what I hear from the staff and those in the know . . .“ are used, that in my book is repeating gossip – not fact.

 

With all respect to voldemar, there is absolutely no way that Bob’s questioning of these rumours can be interpreted as “a direct attack on the poster named HeyGay”.

[TotallyOz]

There are bad apples in any barrel. Whether the barrel be labelled Cox's Orange Pippin (straight boys), Golden Delicious (gay boys) or Granny Smith (ladyboys).

 

Thanks Rogie. This really made me laugh out loud! I have never heard it expressed quite that way!

[Guest HeyGay]

No, the real shame in my view is somebody posting private gossip about somebody's private behavior that's, frankly, none of our business. You're obviously no a friend of his.

 

[To my knowledge, I've never met the guy nor was ever in his bar; nevertheless, I actually feel sorry for the guy after reading this inconsiderate hack job]

 

Yes please do attack me! In the nicest possible way of course, when they do, about anything I say, your find it brings a lot more readers and many more replies and I love to answer them back, because no one can attack the truth and turn it into a negative. So it's so easy to answer, as long as it does not get bitter and twisted, like some flamers like to write, because when they do, they have lost the argument immediately and have no foundation or credibility to attack me, in the first place, just to insult some one like a child does with little or no brains to intelligently answer my statement of facts or any debate.

 

I don't consider what Bob says is an attack, its just his gruff manor, just part of an on going debate all very healthy in my mind, don't worry I can stick up for my self and your soon see, when I do answer attackers, they never write again on the subject.