Hardship stories

[bkkmfj2648]

@Moses I want to say that I appreciate ALL the help that you have done over the many years that I have known you (almost 12 years), including (apologies if I forget anything in the below list😞

• you helped my friend Woody, a Shan State refugee get on his feet (he always feared to be deported) by trusting my recommendation to give him a chance to be a tour guide for Siam Roads.  I am so PROUD of Woody, as he now has legal papers to reside in Thailand, he eventually bought the massage shop where I met him, Classic House Massage Shop - in Chiang Mai, he built a home for his mom back in Shan state in troubled Myanmar, he bought a new car which he uses for his tours, he created a wonderful tour business --> which I used his tour services a couple of times with his partner, Non.  Moses - your trust in me (and also Woody) - allowed Woody to find the right path to success and I will always be grateful to you.  Thank you Moses.
• Moses - you gave a chance to many of the other guys on Siam Roads that we happily employ to bring us wonderful tours.
• Back when Michael (SurferCrest) was the owner of the Sawatdee chat forum group - you were ALWAYS there to help and support the success of that forum - which I believe that you eventually took over from Michael.
• You were ALWAYS available for free to help with the network and IT issues for Gaybutton's forum.
• You have helped with technical issues over the years for ALL 3 Thailand forums - Sawatdee, Gaybutton, and this one, GayGuides - this is truly appreciated Moses.

It just PISSES me off that so many of our forum members just constantly dump shit on you when you have a kind heart and thanks to you we all have a forum that we can use to find wonderful sexual encounters and have great vacations.

I just needed to get this off of my chest.  Enough is ENOUGH!!!!!!

I know that many people do not agree with the political side of things - but do we really need to stay so political in these forums????

This forum, gayguides.com has become so political --> especially after the fall of the former "Company of Men" forum when many of those forum members migrated over to this forum = gayguides.com

Can't we all agree to get back to why this forum was created in the first place?

To have fun, to plan our vacations, to share our adventures with each other, to create lasting friendships?

Or is it more important for us to tear each other apart ??

If so, what will be left of this forum????

 

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, Moses said:

You write with self-confidence and arrogance about things you have no idea about, you try to lecture about things you yourself don't understand one iota about, and you do it with the aplomb of Trump, whom you hate, but impersonate so well.

So much to unpack here....first of all, great pivot, that of a polished politician. Still nothing bad to have the balls to say about Putin, because you are not allowed to 🙄

Secondly, you wish you had the life experience that I've had so far, ran for politics, traveled to 75+ countries, had  businesses I've started from scratch, including surviving Covid and PAYING employees during Covid so they could survive. The list goes on, if I post something you feel is not factual or you think differently, feel free to speak up and then we can discuss it then, for you to make a blanket statement, like you did above is BS.

I've met a number of board members over the years, some briefly others on several occasions. You need to know me to understand much of my sarcasm, which I'm sure doesn't translate well into Russian... the Russians I know in person, took a long time for them to understand humor in the first place 🤷‍♂️
 

 

2 hours ago, Moses said:

Guides are not hired employees, but independent partners who have united for joint advertising and promotion. And for each of them, membership in Siamroads is a way to earn extra money.

Membership....do they pay to be on Siamroads?

2 hours ago, Moses said:

15 years have passed since then, including 3 years of COVID. Siamroads is the only one that survived COVID

How many employees and leases/ongoing expenses in other countries do you pay, did you pay any guides during Covid when there were no guide jobs for them.....I'll be cocky and say no, so "surviving" with what "business" expenses 🤷‍♂️

2 hours ago, Moses said:

The reason for this topic to appear was Keith's kind heart. He takes to heart what happens to the guys. This is his right. But do not shift responsibility to me and SiamRoads for what happens privately between a Thai guy who is a partner of SiamRoads and a Western tourist who used the services of this guide in the past.

Sugar coat the opening sentence then deny accountability....are you sure you're not a politician?

 

3 hours ago, Moses said:

Alternatively, you can go to the bar where Best has his main job and talk to the owner, like, why does he pay Best so little. Anyone interested?

Which bar?

 

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Or is it more important for us to tear each other apart ??

No tearing apart....just discussion. 

Parents , partners, argue and fight but stay together....better than holding it in letting it boil and being "fake" nah?

Look at me and @gayinpattaya you'd think we hate each other....nope, not at all. In the end we both laugh and have a drink together when we see each other.


 

[khaolakguy]

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

Sugar coat the opening sentence then deny accountability....are you sure you're not a politician?

🤣

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

Look at me and @gayinpattaya you'd think we hate each other....nope, not at all. In the end we both laugh and have a drink together 

 

 

I did not know cyanide is drinkable, one lives and learns

[vinapu]

12 hours ago, floridarob said:

Then when you or someone pays them market value, 1200 in pattaya 2000 MAXIMUM in BKK, in my experience and eyes....they get upset/angry/hateful.
 

I wonder what kind of market value we are talking about if recipient is getting upset? Isn't market value something both sides find acceptable?

Doesn't market value fluctuate with market conditions ? The same boy which in high season has almost guaranteed off every night may price himself very differently in low season when he is lucky to get 3 offs a month

12 hours ago, floridarob said:

This is what I believe and have preached for 25 yrs as it was preached by the ones that came before me.
 

one can only admire your stamina, obviously you weren't discouraged  by the fact that in 25 years preaching falls on deaf ears. Like all preachers  , always check if congregation  pays attention.

when we go to 7/11 we see toothbrushes ranging in price from 15 to 70 baht. Somehow all of them find their buyers, some of them don't like cheap stuff , some are in rush and not paying attention to price , some like bargain hunting and others still only go for green or blue handle , no matter price.

12 hours ago, floridarob said:

This is a generalization...and it really applies to a large percentage of guys in this trade, there are always the diamond in the rough or the true good guys out there..... the trick is finding him and not turning him into another one of "them" by spoiling him by throwing money at him,

sure it is, my own experience will not confirm "large percentage' part, yes there are some greedy nasties but unless we had bad luck to see few of them in row , they are  quite far between. Levelling all bad behavior to money issues is again from my experience , far from universal.

My August trip was kind of unfortunate but still on 4 out of 6 bad encounters it was not about greed -  guys willingly slacked on performance  and accepted,  if not outright suggested,  cut in compensation.

I'm afraid focusing too much on money or even more , value for the money , may spoil one's vacation fun and in some cases induce constipation. Specially in Thailand which despite recent rises in prices still is quite budget friendly vacation destination.

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, floridarob said:

Sugar coat the opening sentence then deny accountability....are you sure you're not a politician?

 

Good one indeed.

I think you mentioned something about having experience of running for the office ?

[Keithambrose]

7 hours ago, floridarob said:

So much to unpack here....first of all, great pivot, that of a polished politician. Still nothing bad to have the balls to say about Putin, because you are not allowed to 🙄

Secondly, you wish you had the life experience that I've had so far, ran for politics, traveled to 75+ countries, had  businesses I've started from scratch, including surviving Covid and PAYING employees during Covid so they could survive. The list goes on, if I post something you feel is not factual or you think differently, feel free to speak up and then we can discuss it then, for you to make a blanket statement, like you did above is BS.

I've met a number of board members over the years, some briefly others on several occasions. You need to know me to understand much of my sarcasm, which I'm sure doesn't translate well into Russian... the Russians I know in person, took a long time for them to understand humor in the first place 🤷‍♂️
 

 

Membership....do they pay to be on Siamroads?

How many employees and leases/ongoing expenses in other countries do you pay, did you pay any guides during Covid when there were no guide jobs for them.....I'll be cocky and say no, so "surviving" with what "business" expenses 🤷‍♂️

Sugar coat the opening sentence then deny accountability....are you sure you're not a politician?

 

Which bar?

 

 

[Keithambrose]

Which bar?

 

As I said, I did not remember.  It was down one end of JC, opposite  a closed bar. Dorothy's?

[Moses]

8 hours ago, floridarob said:

No tearing apart....just discussion. 

Parents , partners, argue and fight but stay together....better than holding it in letting it boil and being "fake" nah?

Look at me and @gayinpattaya you'd think we hate each other....nope, not at all. In the end we both laugh and have a drink together when we see each other.

Please pronounce it on the French style: Romantic 

[floridarob]

18 minutes ago, Moses said:

Please pronounce it on the French style: Romantic 

You have to meet each of us in person, separately, at first, to either love us or hate us 

[floridarob]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

Good one indeed.

I think you mentioned something about having experience of running for the office ?

I wasn't diplomatic and didn't sugar coat.... would that surprise you 🙄

[floridarob]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

I wonder what kind of market value we are talking about if recipient is getting upset? Isn't market value something both sides find acceptable?

The point was the recipient expecting more than market value.....

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

when we go to 7/11 we see toothbrushes ranging in price from 15 to 70 baht. Somehow all of them find their buyers, some of them don't like cheap stuff , some are in rush and not paying attention to price , some like bargain hunting and others still only go for green or blue handle , no matter price.

Unless you're doing the inventory at 7/11, you can't know which of the price points are selling more if at all 🧐

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

I'm afraid focusing too much on money or even more , value for the money , may spoil one's vacation fun and in some cases induce constipation. Specially in Thailand which despite recent rises in prices still is quite budget friendly vacation destination.

This was in reference of finding a bf, not just one of many tricks during a vacation.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

I wasn't diplomatic and didn't sugar coat.... would that surprise you 🙄

no