Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, vinapu said: But how long he will use Russia's hospitality ? Week, month ? we will see. I will tell one only word: Snowden Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 1 hour ago, Moses said: Oh, sorry, I forgot propagandistic picture, which is for sure forged in Kremlin: that is low, even if no doubt true. we can produce similar pics of action by any army everywhere, it's why war is thing to be avoided at all cost. I don't think such picture belongs in discussion here , being you I'd ask administrator to remove it. Honestly. Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 1 hour ago, Moses said: Dreams, dreams. I'm from Northern country - here we have thick skin. sometimes too thick, specially when treating your own people Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 3 minutes ago, vinapu said: that is low, even if no doubt true. at least it is true and isn't personal attacks like pics above Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 1 hour ago, Moses said: It's simple for me: they ask me "why are your troops in Ukraine?" and I can easily answer "because we don't have democracy." Because if you insist in democracy in your country, then you is responsible for actions of your govt. valid points but as explained above , democracy had advantages over autocracies, advantages recognized by autocracies own elites. For common folk advantage is simple , we are not afraid to voice our displeasure with those in charge and it serves well all. Many autocrats would finish lives sleeping well in own bed if they had somebody to tell them in right time that they choose poor path. Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 7 minutes ago, vinapu said: we are not afraid to voice our displeasure with those in charge and it serves well all. Many autocrats would finish lives sleeping well in own bed if they had somebody to tell them in right time that they choose poor path Well, then your "voice of displeasure" brings nothing: US still participate in all wars what your govt count necessary. And this brings us to the point of the choice: 1) nobody listens "voice of displeasure" and cares about it or 2) your nation is for the wars and "voice of pleasure" is louder than "voice of displeasure" = voice of minority why else US still participate in wars each year under each president? you may choose... Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 24 minutes ago, Moses said: Do you know what the President of Serbia answered to a journalist's question about why the country, along with other European countries, is not collecting and sending weapons to help Ukraine in the conflict with Russia? - It wasn't Russia that bombed us in 1999... Taking example of another bombed countries like Japan and South Korea, he still applies for membership of EU so still wants to be part of flawed democracies Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 25 minutes ago, Moses said: I will tell one only word: Snowden too small fish compared to Asad, and doesn't have his supposed fortune of 2 bln so no, no good example Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 19 minutes ago, Moses said: at least it is true and isn't personal attacks like pics above yes , but belongs to archives like all pics of maltreated people, not as part of argument on public domain Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 10 minutes ago, vinapu said: he still applies for membership of EU so still wants to be part of flawed democracies Correction: he still applied "to be part" of EU. As we see - you have no reason to call it "democracy". Look on Georgia - on election there won not that party what has been expected by EU and now EU threatening Georgia. Look on Romania - on the first round of presidential elections there won not person what has been expecting by EU and now Romania is under hard pressure of EU... I can add Slovakia or Hungary to that list as well... Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 10 minutes ago, Moses said: US still participate in all wars what your govt count necessary. not my government, I'm not American but like green color on American money 10 minutes ago, Moses said: why else US still participate in wars each year under each president? you may choose... Like all mighty countries always - because it can, that harsh even if unpleasant reality. Why your government is pointing it out in it's propaganda - not because is peace loving but because is short of that might. Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, vinapu said: Like all mighty countries always - because it can, that harsh even if unpleasant reality. If China will do it, whole Western media sphere will squeal like a flock of 1000 pigs being slaughtered at once, nobody will write something about "because it can" and all will remind about democracy and despots, while both - democracies and despots - doing the same and by the same reason "because it can"... Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 4 minutes ago, Moses said: Correction: he still applied "to be part" of EU. As we see - you have no reason to call it "democracy". Look on Georgia - on election there won not that party what has been expected by EU and now EU threatening Georgia. Look on Romania - on the first round of presidential elections there won not person what has been expecting by EU and now Romania is under hard pressure of EU... One needs to take bad with good. EU is not threatening those countries but signalizes that if you like EU funds it would be good to like EU rules. Very few EU citizens will object to such policy, why to send money way of people who don't like you. It's like paying to prostitute who refuses to take shower and undress before the deed - happened to me once Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 1 minute ago, vinapu said: signalizes that if you like EU funds it would be good to like EU rules. Very few EU citizens will object to such policy, why to send money way of people who don't like you. It's like paying to prostitute who refuses to take shower and undress before the deed - happened to me once what "signalize" threat to cancel visafree to Georgians? about what money EU citizens may think on it besides additional profit from more active tourism? Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, Moses said: If China will do it, whole Western media sphere will squeal like a flock of 1000 pigs being slaughtered at once, nobody will write something about "because it can" and all will remind about democracy and despots, while both - democracies and despots - doing the same and by the same reason "because it can"... this exactly confirms what I pointed out. China , export based economy is not yet in position " because it can " as it could shatter it's prosperity. But they are getting there thanks to greed of Western corporations and consumers. Hope not too soon, they already changed name of Vladivostok on their maps. It's only matter of time they will find map from 127 B.C. showing Kamchatka belonged to China. This will be moment Russia will follow Serbia and apply for EU and NATO membership . khaolakguy 1 Quote
vinapu Posted December 9 Posted December 9 4 minutes ago, Moses said: what "signalize" threat to cancel visa free to Georgians? about what money EU citizens may think on it besides additional profit from more active tourism? visa free access for poor countries in reality means hat they can go and find an informal job more easily , not tourism. Both EU and Georgia knows that. You think Tajiks or Uzbeks are travelling to Russia to see Kremlin? Perhpas on Sunday , their day off. Unfortunately visa free access means also that spies and other bad guys may have easier go - why risk it by allowing that treatment to unfriendly countries . Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 12 minutes ago, vinapu said: This will be moment Russia will follow Serbia and apply for EU and NATO membership . In far 2014, even before coup in Ukraine I wrote (here or on SGT?) what Western attempts to push on Russia will bring to West one only result - it will push Russia and China close to each other. Now world has BRICS and BRICS+. By the way: when you are visiting Thailand you are visiting BRICS+. The same with Malaysia and Indonesia, Brazil and many other countries what are on discussions "where boys are cheaper" on this forum. Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 24 minutes ago, vinapu said: China , export based economy Oh. I missed it. Germany is "export based economy" because export is above 40% of GDP. China isn't more than for 10 years, because by UN and World Bank classifications "export based economy" should have more than 20% of GDP from export. China now has less than 17%. It grew up from that label long time ago. Internal consumption - this is main Chinese driver. https://w3.unece.org/PXWeb/en/Table?IndicatorCode=4 Quote
khaolakguy Posted December 9 Posted December 9 42 minutes ago, Moses said: In far 2014, even before coup in Ukraine I wrote (here or on SGT?) what Western attempts to push on Russia will bring to West one only result - it will push Russia and China close to each other. Now world has BRICS and BRICS+. BRICS was created in 2010, four years before your forecast! Quote
Moses Posted December 9 Posted December 9 9 minutes ago, khaolakguy said: BRICS was created in 2010, four years before your forecast! It was 5 countries on the start. As per ChatGPT on Nov 2024: Quote
floridarob Posted December 10 Posted December 10 5 hours ago, Moses said: I have never written that there is democracy in the country where I live. On the contrary, I have written that there are problems with freedoms and democracy here. This is the first time I've ever seen it...unless it was in the politics forum, which I try to stay away from. " there are problems with freedoms and democracy here." might be an understatement ....but thanks for saying it.... stay away from balconies, at home or in Pattaya 🙏 unicorn 1 Quote
vinapu Posted December 10 Posted December 10 5 hours ago, Moses said: Now world has BRICS and BRICS+. By the way: when you are visiting Thailand you are visiting BRICS+. The same with Malaysia and Indonesia, Brazil and many other countries what are on discussions "where boys are cheaper" on this forum. I got it, BRISC+, source of cheap oil, gas, labour and boys Quote
vinapu Posted December 10 Posted December 10 4 hours ago, Moses said: Oh. I missed it. Germany is "export based economy" because export is above 40% of GDP. China isn't more than for 10 years, because by UN and World Bank classifications "export based economy" should have more than 20% of GDP from export. China now has less than 17%. It grew up from that label long time ago. Internal consumption - this is main Chinese driver. https://w3.unece.org/PXWeb/en/Table?IndicatorCode=4 percentages are good for speeches, I'm talking about money value. Stalling of internal consumption seem to be main reason Chairman XI is using more and more color on his hairs Quote
vinapu Posted December 10 Posted December 10 4 hours ago, Moses said: I nothing wrong with BRICS+ influence in world's affairs as long as it moves world toward being better place. Starting wars , making out of blue territorial claims, cutting rainforests, and killing own dissidents living in other countries seems not advancing that goal particularly well. floridarob 1 Quote
Moses Posted December 10 Posted December 10 34 minutes ago, vinapu said: Stalling of internal consumption seem to be main reason Chairman XI is using more and more color on his hairs Maybe. But looks like his target +5% will be reached in 2024. And +5% is unreachable to US economy even if both - acting and elected - presidents will color their hairs not only on their heads. Quote
