How Russian teenagers are being locked up for expressing dissent

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

Maybe someone needs anti-Russian hysteria few weeks before to leave oval office?

Hopes that old/ new occupant of Oval Ofice  will be  much of difference may prove to be misplaced. For all of his myriad flaws he is still product of Western democracy , however tainted and on personal level - doesn't like to be on losing side.

[Travelingguy]

Why would a professional Russian state propagandist post on this website?  

Putin and the Russian dictatorship are vehemently anti gay and have mercilessly persecuted gay people, but yet there is this propagandist who is openly gay, talks about gay venues and runs a company offering gay tour guides to Westerners.  Yet he stays out of jail and continues his activities.  Things have not changed much from the Soviet period.  Finding ways to compromise Westerners is a key tool used by Russian intelligence.  It is called during your job.   I strongly urge caution in dealing with Russian state propagandists, particularly when it comes to giving them any personal information.

[Moses]

39 minutes ago, Travelingguy said:

Why would a professional Russian state propagandist post on this website?  

Dear, do you feel uncomfortable when you get facts instead of the propaganda you are shown on TV?

 

39 minutes ago, Travelingguy said:

Putin and the Russian dictatorship are vehemently anti gay and have mercilessly persecuted gay people, but yet there is this propagandist who is openly gay, talks about gay venues and runs a company offering gay tour guides to Westerners.  Yet he stays out of jail and continues his activities.  Things have not changed much from the Soviet period.  Finding ways to compromise Westerners is a key tool used by Russian intelligence.  It is called during your job.   I strongly urge caution in dealing with Russian state propagandists, particularly when it comes to giving them any personal information.

Bla-bla-bla... 

A set of propaganda cliches? Have you tried thinking with your head? Many people there have a brain. Try it, maybe it will work? You will learn a lot about the world around you.

[vinapu]

8 minutes ago, Moses said:

You will learn a lot about the world around you.

certainly not from the state which locks  16 y.o. for anti-state activities, not to mention kills own  , deemed wayward , citizens in penal colonies, shoots them on the bridges or arranges helicopter crashes

[Travelingguy]

Word to the wise everyone.  Be very careful.  

[Moses]

18 minutes ago, vinapu said:

locks  16 y.o. for anti-state activities

He was locked up because he voluntarily signed a contract with a terrorist organization - based on Ukraine by the way.

There are many naive people here who distribute anti-Putin leaflets. But the refrigerator has long since decided everything. They are detained, their leaflets are taken away, and they are simply fined for unregistered actions.

And the boy was locked up for 5 years. And not at all for leaflets, as your propaganda is trying to present him, but for carrying out the tasks of "good uncles".

I still have no idea why CNN pulled that story now - it was in 2023.

[Keithambrose]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

tea with polonium treatment

Or a novichok sandwich. Don't forget the old poisoned umbrella.

[unicorn]

5 hours ago, Moses said:

it is https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

...

The statistics obviously are entirely irrelevant to the fact of whether or not the boy is a terrorist--no more relevant than the price of eggs in Malawi. Deaths at the hands of police in the US is a complex issue, much of it revolving around issues of mental health and/or substance abuse. These days most cops wear body cameras, so any deaths at the hands of police can be easily investigated, and the police officers involved punished if they went too far. In some cases, the cops do go too far, such as George Floyd, but in others, disturbed and/or drugged individuals physically threatened the public and/or police officers, and their deaths can be considered "suicide by cop." Not following instructions given by a cop and being aggressive often leads to fatal consequences. This is more of an indictment on the US mental health care approach than an indictment of the police per se. Just recently, manslaughter charges were dismissed against a police officer who killed a violent, mentally disturbed, and drugged man who was threatening subway passengers in New York. Negligent homicide charges are still pending. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-daniel-penny-trial-tells-judge-cant-reach-agreement-manslaughter-rcna183185

"...Neely [the victim], a former Michael Jackson impersonator, threw his jacket to the ground and loudly ranted about being hungry, thirsty and not caring about whether he died or went back to jail when he boarded the train, witnesses have testified. Penny put him in a chokehold that prosecutors said lasted six minutes. It continued after the uptown F train arrived at its next stop, the Broadway-Lafayette station, bystander video showed. Neely, 30, was homeless and had a history of mental illness. At the time of his death, he had synthetic marijuana — known as K2 — in his system...".

This is a complex issue. The kid's is not. He was certainly not a terrorist, nor was he afforded a jury trial, as he would be guaranteed if he were in the US.

[reader]

5 hours ago, Moses said:

Dear, do you feel uncomfortable when……

You knows Moses is flustered when he uses terms of endearment. 🙂

[vinapu]

1 minute ago, reader said:

You knows Moses is flustered when he uses terms of endearment. 🙂

he is gay after all

[Travelingguy]

40 minutes ago, reader said:

You knows Moses is flustered when he uses terms of endearment. 🙂

I found it a little creepy.  But I guess that is par for the course.

 

[Travelingguy]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

he is gay after all

He might be gay for pay

[Moses]

2 hours ago, reader said:

You knows Moses is flustered when he uses terms of endearment.

2 hours ago, vinapu said:

he is gay after all

21 minutes ago, Travelingguy said:

He might be gay for pay

[unicorn]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

But they can tell if you're a Putin ass-licker... 😁

[reader]

From the BBC

Fall of Assad is a blow to Russia's prestige

For nearly a decade it was Russian firepower that had kept Bashar al-Assad in power.

Until the extraordinary events of the last 24 hours.

Damascus has fallen, Syria's president has been toppled and has, reportedly, flown to Moscow.

Quoting a source in the Kremlin, Russian news agencies and state TV reported that Russia has granted Assad and his family asylum "on humanitarian grounds".

In a matter of days, the Kremlin's Syria project has unravelled in the most dramatic circumstances, with Moscow powerless to prevent it.

In a statement the Russian foreign ministry announced that Moscow was "following the dramatic events in Syria with extreme concern."

The fall of the Assad regime is a blow to Russia's prestige.

By sending thousands of troops in 2015 to shore up President Assad, one of Russia's key objectives had been to assert itself as a global power. 

It was Vladimir Putin's first major challenge to the power and dominance of the West, away from the former Soviet space.

And a successful one, it had seemed. In 2017 President Putin visited Russia's Hmeimim air base in Syria and declared that it was mission accomplished. 

Despite regular reports that Russian airstrikes were causing civilian casualties, the Russian defence ministry felt confident enough to fly international media out to Syria to witness the Russian military operation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clygege97qwo

[Moses]

5 hours ago, reader said:

Fall of Assad is a blow to Russia's prestige

For nearly a decade it was Russian firepower that had kept Bashar al-Assad in power.

Until the extraordinary events of the last 24 hours.

So, you repeat yours medias propaganda?

This happens to those who believe that the head is given to a person to eat, and not to think. Alas.

And now look at the facts:

• Whatever the Assad regime was, it was the last secular regime in the region. Islamists came to replace it.
• Do your media report the victory of democracy? But in fact, the Islamic radicals won, to whom the US provided all possible support, although not for the first time - Al Qaeda also began with CIA intrigues
• Are you told about the future prosperity of Syria? Libya is already "flourishing" in the ongoing civil war between two governments. Have you been told that Gaddafi is terrible? Look at Libya now.

Wherever "democracy" sticks its paws, chaos arises.

In 2-3 years, when there will be not law in Syria but Sharia, when Syrian women will take off their high heels and put on a burqa, when the day will begin with the cries of muezzins and not with the latest news, when another Al Qaeda cell will emerge and strengthen, reread this post. And remember that once upon a time this was a prosperous secular state. Like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq before it.

In the meantime, Syria has already begun to be torn apart: on one side, Turkish troops are smashing the Kurds who were fleeing from Erdogan in Syria. On the other, Israel has already occupied a buffer zone on the Golan Heights.

Are you still enjoying the events in Syria? It will pass very quickly. And when your media starts publishing the executions of gays by stoning, remember that it was your country of "democracy and equal opportunity" that had a hand in the rise of this regime, and "homophobic, authoritarian and imperialist" Russia that tried in every way to prevent it.

[floridarob]

53 minutes ago, Moses said:

So, you repeat yours medias propaganda?

Propaganda is propaganda.....yours or the west. 

[Moses]

17 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Propaganda is propaganda.....yours or the west.

Oh, dear. It wasn't Russia, who claimed what Iraq has weapon of mass destroy and  then against resolution UN intervened to Iraq. 

It wasn't Russia who bombed Yugoslavia.

It isn't Russia who created fund to supply Ukraine with weapon and named it "Peace fund".

[floridarob]

Just now, Moses said:

Oh, dear. It wasn't Russia, who claimed what Iraq has weapon of mass destroy and  then against resolution UN intervened to Iraq. 

Do you do whataboutism and pivots with everyone without sticking to topic?

[Moses]

2 minutes ago, floridarob said:

sticking to topic

what part of post about Syria sticks to topic?

you said about propaganda - I show you it

[floridarob]

3 minutes ago, Moses said:

what part of post about Syria sticks to topic?

you said about propaganda - I show you it

I said whoever's propaganda is propaganda... a lie is a lie.

here's some charts for you to digest, I thought the US would've done better in some, but at least Russia isn't at the bottom of the list....almost, but not at the bottom.

https://rsf.org/en/index/score-pol?year=2024

scroll on the left for a couple of different results

[khaolakguy]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

So, you repeat yours medias propaganda?

I think that this pot is calling the kettle black.

You shouldn't judge everyone's media by your own! 

Did your media report UN Security Council Resolution 2254 in 2015 which called on Assad to engage with a democratic transition, with which he refused to engage? 

Or did they report that subsequently Russia vetoed 17 UN Security Resolutions aiming to effect a peaceful transition of power in Syria? Lavrov was calling yesterday for Resolution 2254 to be be implemented. What irony when the country that he represents has employed it's veto on 17 occasions in the last ten years to prevent exactly that happening.

Too late mate, and it's the people of Syria who have, and will, suffer as a consequence of Russia's previous intransigence.

 

[Moses]

Just now, khaolakguy said:

Did your media report UN Security Council Resolution 2254 in 2015 which called on Assad to engage with a democratic transition, with which he refused to engage? 

Or did they report that subsequently Russia vetoed 17 UN Security Resolutions aiming to effect a peaceful transition of power in Syria? Lavrov was calling yesterday that Resolution 2254 should be implemented. What irony when the country that he represents has employed it's veto on 17 occasions in the last ten years to prevent exactly that happening.

When you want to count resolutions UN, you should start from number of UN resolutions which been ignored by Israel. Because they are tens if not hundreds. 

[khaolakguy]

2 minutes ago, Moses said:

When you want to count resolutions UN, you should start from number of UN resolutions which been ignored by Israel. Because they are tens if not hundreds. 

I couldn't agree more. Absolutely disgraceful. 

I can criticise Israel, I can criticise the US, I can criticise "the west". I can acknowledge their mistakes and on occasion their disgraceful behaviour.  However you can never acknowledge your own country's abuses or fuckups. That is what makes your comments especially provocative and why it's impossible to have a reasonable dialogue with you. 

I don't know why I am wasting my ink on this, except that I don't like to see ridiculous untruths go unchallenged.

All that nonsense about it being the fault of democracy, when had Russia and it's client Assad allowed a process for a democratic sharing of power to move forward there would have been no need for the all the strife over the last ten years, and the revolution and possible fragmentation of Syria that is now taking place might not have been necessary.

But Russia wanted to keep its client in control so couldn't let that happen. 

 

[unicorn]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

• ...Do your media report the victory of democracy? ...

I've haven't heard any media reporting this as a victory for democracy. Indeed, many report that things may get even worse for the citizens of Syria (especially the Kurds and the non-Sunni). There is no denying that this shows Putin in an embarrassing light, since he was unable to support his own puppet, who was providing Russia with its only naval base in the Mediterranean. This new regime may prove to be a disaster for many. Only a fool can deny this is an embarrassment for the Russian Federation, though. The only good that could come of this for the US is if Russia loses its military bases to Turkey. Syria has been a thorn in the side of the US for decades, and might continue to be so. At least hopefully it won't be so aligned with Russia and Iran. Time will tell.