Don't be too shy. Things will get better!

[Min]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

I LOVE it.

This is also my preferred modus operandi.

Bravo!!

To be honest, I sometimes asked myself "Why I invested so much of my time and effort into this (not to mention money). Who's the paying customer here? Ain't I supposed to just lie down, enjoy the service and then pay?"
The answer simply is ""cuz I'm happy when I'm doing it"

Anyway, yesterday, I asked to pay J.'s off fees for 8 days in a row for travelling purposes (300B per day), and the bar gave me a discount. Instead of 2400, I ended up paying 1500. What a pleasant surprise  Not sure if other bars have a similar policy, though. 

[reader]

One of life’s greatest experiences is traveling with someone you love. You’ll never forget these days.

 

[floridarob]

7 hours ago, reader said:

One of life’s greatest experiences is traveling with someone you love. You’ll never forget these days.

 

Sounds like the making of a Mastercard ad 🤔
 

 

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, reader said:

One of life’s greatest experiences is traveling with someone you love. You’ll never forget these days.

 

true but not in 100 % of cases . Travel is testing experience and some ( 2, both M/F ) couples I know did not pass.

In know certain , then 5 y.o , who after family vacation taking most of Europe summarized experience " I wish we have different daddy"  

[gayinpattaya]

On 12/7/2024 at 6:10 AM, Keithambrose said:

Unnecessary  reaction. 

I requested for the cunt admin here to delete my account a couple of months ago.
The degenerate that runs this shit hole forum decided not to. 
So I will continue being offensive to you vile rotting old cunts till he changes his mind.

Problem? Take it up with management. 
Until then, you can all go fuck yourselves. 

So fuckhead administrator. Will you delete my account please? 

[Keithambrose]

4 minutes ago, gayinpattaya said:

I requested for the cunt admin here to delete my account a couple of months ago.
The degenerate that runs this shit hole forum decided not to. 
So I will continue being offensive to you vile rotting old cunts till he changes his mind.

Problem? Take it up with management. 
Until then, you can all go fuck yourselves. 

So fuckhead administrator. Will you delete my account please? 

I suggest you go back onto your medication.  

[gayinpattaya]

Just now, Keithambrose said:

I suggest you go back onto your medication.  

I suggest you fuck yourself. Cunt

[gayinpattaya]

DELETE MY FUCKING ACCOUNT

[Keithambrose]

1 minute ago, gayinpattaya said:

I suggest you fuck yourself. Cunt

Sticks and stones etc....

 

 

[gayinpattaya]

1 minute ago, Keithambrose said:

Sticks and stones etc....

 

 

Go die already, cunt.
DELETE MY ACCOUNT

[floridarob]

36 minutes ago, gayinpattaya said:

Go die already, cunt.
DELETE MY ACCOUNT

OK, it's been deleted.....now go to bed.

[jason1975]

On 12/9/2024 at 4:19 PM, Min said:

Anyway, yesterday, I asked to pay J.'s off fees for 8 days in a row for travelling purposes (300B per day), and the bar gave me a discount. Instead of 2400, I ended up paying 1500. What a pleasant surprise  Not sure if other bars have a similar policy, though. 

Where are you taking J?

[reader]

On 12/10/2024 at 6:35 AM, gayinpattaya said:
DELETE MY ACCOUNT

You know if you asked Kremlin to be deleted it would occur in a flash. Probably without asking, too. 

[Min]

On 12/10/2024 at 8:52 PM, jason1975 said:

Where are you taking J?

Actually, we do not travel together this time. I'll fly to Africa tomorrow for a 10-day safari trip. J. needs to go home to supervise the renovation of part of his family house. He applied for a leave, but the bar owner would not approve because it's now high season and the bar is pretty busy. So I offer to pay the off fee for him to cover the time he'll be away.

On 12/5/2024 at 12:53 PM, spoon said:

Seems like J and you have something special, even though it started as a commercial transaction. 

After consulting various arrangements the boys have with their respective sponsors, the other day, I officially made a "sponsorship" deal with J., which is transactional by nature.

I'll give him 3000B for each time I off him from the bar, with a guaranteed monthly income of at least 25K. That means, any month I meet him 8 days or less, or not at all (usually when I travel to a different continent for the whole month), he still receives 25K. Otherwise, he would make more than that. Like this coming January, I plan to be there for 2 weeks so he would easily make 40K from me alone.

J. receives roughly 6K from the bar (basic salary + his cut on drinks and off fees) and a couple of grands in tips from other customers in a good month, which would be enough to cover his local expenses. He can save and/or send home all the money I give him. I also encourage him to save at least 10K per month, putting it into a saving account for his clothes store project, and promise that if by the end of the year he can save at least 100K, I'll give him a boost of 20K.

It took J a day to sleep on the offered deal, then asked why I don't just give him a fixed allowance, like other sponsors do. I explained that I'm his customer-cum-boyfriend. As a boyfriend, I'd make sure he has enough money to live on and send home, with or without other sources of income. But as a customer, I also want to give him additional motivations to spend more quality time with and take good care of me (my way of pre-empting what @vinapu often calls complacency). Provide good service so that the customer would keep coming back

Of course, our deal, like most boy sponsorship I know of in Pattaya, includes a provision for exclusiveness. He can sit and go drinking with other customers, but no sexual favors, to which, he's like "ok" with no change in facial expression. That's good news right? 

 

[khaolakguy]

Interesting arrangement. Two questions if I may.

Does the exclusiveness extend beyond customers to other Thai Guys on a non commercial basis?

What do you/J expect to be the duration of this agreement?

[spoon]

1 hour ago, Min said:

then asked why I don't just give him a fixed allowance, like other sponsors do.

This part has me thinking. Im guessing here, is he not happy with the fixed minimum 25k hence the question? Had you follow his request and decided to just give him fixed allowance, would the amount increase?

Itll be interesting to see why he is not immediately happy with your offer. Or is it just too complicated hehe

[Min]

28 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

Interesting arrangement. Two questions if I may.

Does the exclusiveness extend beyond customers to other Thai Guys on a non commercial basis?

What do you/J expect to be the duration of this agreement?

1. It is supposed to cover all areas. I think J.'s life in Pattaya is confined to his co-workers, especially those from Laos and work in the same bar as he, and bar customers. I once asked him if he could ever develop feelings for one of his fellow MBs. He looked at me like I'm some kind of a pervert. "They all are my friends. I don't have that kind of feeling for a friend." I also asked him if we stay as customer and boy and one day he goes back to Laos and find a local boyfriend, would he continue to see me as a paying customer, and again, the answer is NO, he wouldn't.

2. I'm not sure what J. thinks about that (I may ask him later), but for me, I'll take it as it comes. If we last another year, I'll adjust financial terms for inflation and also, well, "seniority", like, I'll increase everything by 10% each year (3000 becomes 3300, 25K becomes 28K, and so forth). Maybe one day, if we last that long, I'll drop the "transaction-based" payments completely and simply take care of his financial needs.

Once the boys in the bar made a joke about J. being so "international" in his relationships. His first boyfriend is Thai, second Laos, and now the third Vietnamese, so what nationality would be next on the list? And he was like, "No, no, I don't want no more boyfriends."  

5 minutes ago, spoon said:

This part has me thinking. Im guessing here, is he not happy with the fixed minimum 25k hence the question? Had you follow his request and decided to just give him fixed allowance, would the amount increase?

Itll be interesting to see why he is not immediately happy with your offer. Or is it just too complicated hehe

I think it's not about the specific amount per se, but he thinks the deal is unnecessarily complicated (I'll talk to him just to be sure anyway). Also, the offered minimum of 25K is already generous, toward the high end of such deals. Most boys I know receives between 10K and 20K; one gets only 5K but no exclusiveness is required. V.'s case of 30K mentioned earlier is quite rare.

K., another Laos boy who has the most drinks in the bar, sometimes with 20+ drinks in a single night, more than most boys make in a week, and also someone who is willing to go with any paying customers, told me he normally makes between 20 and 30K per month, so if a customer wants to make an exclusive deal with him, the offered amount must be at least 25K. So here we go  

I told J.: K. has to "endure" all kinds of customers whether he likes them or not. You only need to sleep with one customer, who you actually likes, and still make more money than him. What do you complain about? Hehe.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, Min said:

 

Of course, our deal, like most boy sponsorship I know of in Pattaya, includes a provision for exclusiveness. He can sit and go drinking with other customers, but no sexual favors, to which, he's like "ok" with no change in facial expression. That's good news right? 

 

that may mean one of two things , either he thought " sure it's obvious" or  " sure , how you will know if you will be away ? " .

Not trying to be sarcastic but over the years  people on forums reported both kinds of behavior. 

I also met at least once of both kinds :  ' no , I don't go with customer, boyfriend told me not to "  but also " I will come to your hotel after shop closes , I don't want them to tell my friend I went with customer ".

That brings to life another question to members  - would you off boy who would tell you he has a boyfriend and he need to keep his endeavour with you secret ?

My answer - yes,  unless I know that boyfriend, than no. Reason being , boy knows better how to conduct his business and why I should be loyal to somebody I don't know ?     

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Min said:

Also, the offered minimum of 25K is already generous, toward the high end of such deals.

.........
I told J.: K. has to "endure" all kinds of customers whether he likes them or not. You only need to sleep with one customer, who you actually likes, and still make more money than him. What do you complain about? Hehe.

I agree that offer is generous  for most boys. Sure there always will be ones who will make more a month but even some of them may opt for steady , even if lower income  for reason you very well explained in second part.

As always in business both sides need to assess if deal is good value for them. 

Unfortunately in that line of work they not only 'endure' but sometimes really need to endure clients they rather don't go with. I once asked guy of quite substantial  built whether he ever encountered violent client and he confirmed.   

[khaolakguy]

Thanks Min for responding and sharing. I wish you well with this arrangement.

I have one point to which there is no need to respond. There are some Thai guys that would definitely not be attracted to other asians.  J isn't one of them given his "international"boyfriends! If you think there is a possibility of a long term relationship I would give some leeway if you are away for any lengthy period for non customers. 

The nights can get cold(obviously not literally in Pattaya!) for horny young men. And better J has that freedom(and you also) on the condition that you share this information with each other. Better a relationship built on reality rather than deception.

J has a small circle of friends at the bar at the moment, but he sounds social so his social circle will enlarge. 

On the other hand if your priority is that you should have exclusive access to J's body for the fees that you are guaranteeing him that is understandable, but really you are making him an employee, perhaps that is what you want.

Anyway please keep us updated as you describe the situation from your viewpoint very well, it's an interesting read and you sound like a good guy.

[vinapu]

35 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

..... you sound like a good guy.

and rich

[bkkmfj2648]

8 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

J isn't one of them given his "international"boyfriends! If you think there is a possibility of a long term relationship I would give some leeway if you are away for any lengthy period for non customers. 

yes I agree.

Who knows, maybe someone here in this forum is thinking about this J temptation.

By the way, it is not me.  But I had a similar arrangement last year and when my previous employer called me back to Budapest to work for some months my Thai spies were keeping me updated with gossips and photos about what my Thai guy was up to.  No surprises - as we had an agreement - that I could have fun in Budapest - with the stipulation that I would make videos of these encounters to share with him and he would share with me what he was doing back in Pattaya - and my spies gossips and sneaky photos were consistent with what he was telling me.

 

[reader]

33 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

yes I agree.

Who knows, maybe someone here in this forum is thinking about this J temptation.

By the way, it is not me.  But I had a similar arrangement last year and when my previous employer called me back to Budapest to work for some months my Thai spies were keeping me updated with gossips and photos about what my Thai guy was up to.  No surprises - as we had an agreement - that I could have fun in Budapest - with the stipulation that I would make videos of these encounters to share with him and he would share with me what he was doing back in Pattaya - and my spies gossips and sneaky photos were consistent with what he was telling me.

 

As Reagan said, “trust but verify “

[faranglaw]

On 11/23/2024 at 9:34 AM, vinapu said:

I was called worse things by better people , lol

 

On 12/3/2024 at 10:09 PM, vinapu said:

I remember well that mine of information.

All those memories recalled above are nice but I for one I'm glad those free wheeling days  are over and long gone.

Not to dampen anybody's enthusiasm but my most memorable moment from my early days there is kind of nasty one.

Somewhere  between soi 2 and Robinson on the corner , old guy sitting with clearly underaged and even more clearly scared boy   and  whispering " young boy, young boy". For all fun I had in my 36 trips I still recall horror in the eyes of that youngster. Forgive me but whenever I hear about good old days I cringe. I do indeed. But something good and productive came out of that situation - ever since I give wide berth to any guy who even remotely looks  less than mid-20

I can remember two scary stories at Robinson from those times (early 90’s).

 

1. On the front steps a young boy started talking to me. He was smoking but was about 15. He was pushing me to take him off somewhere: “300 baht—you happy, I happy.” Small guy but looked a bit tough and already burnt out. It was depressing. I extricated myself.

2. I was having a coffee in the Robinson’s coffee shop on a hot mid-afternoon. A boy approached with photos of girls. “You want a girl?”  Naive me, I thought I’d be cute so told him I like boys. In a flash he pointed to a boy and said, “My brother. You like?”  The kid was about nine years old! Severe and horrified no from me of course. Jesus f’ing Christ: pimping your nine year old brother!

So spare me any glory tales about the good old days. I still shiver thinking of these two incidents. 

[spoon]

13 hours ago, Min said:

It is supposed to cover all areas

Does it also means you cant take or go out with other boys as well?