Guest voldemar Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 IMF Chief Strauss-Kahn Awaits Arraignment in New York City Sex Attack Case By Karen Freifeld, Sandrine Rastello and David Glovin - May 16, 2011 12:00 AM ET Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), is escorted by police in New York. Photographer: Peter Foley/Bloomberg Dominique Strauss-Kahn International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn awaits his first court appearance on attempted rape charges after giving police permission to examine him for physical evidence of scratches and DNA from his accuser. The alleged attack on a 32-year-old female maid at a Sofitel hotel in midtown Manhattan occurred May 14, according to the New York Police Department. Strauss-Kahn, who was taken into custody aboard an Air France flight at John F. Kennedy International Airport as it prepared to depart, also was charged with unlawful imprisonment and a criminal sex act. He remains in custody until an 11 a.m. hearing in Manhattan criminal court. A potential candidate for the French presidency, Strauss- Kahn, 62, has denied the charges and will plead not guilty, his lawyer Benjamin Brafman said. The IMF chief was picked out of a lineup yesterday by the maid, police said. His arraignment, during which bail terms may be set, was scheduled for yesterday. It was delayed after investigators sought a warrant to allow examination of Strauss-Kahn. The IMF Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 We will see how this story pans out. What is indisputable though that the man stayed overnight in 3000 dollar suit. IMF is funded by taxpayers (mostly American ones) and one can ask what would be wrong if the man stayed in, say, 300 Dollar hotel room. What is going on here is a manifestation of a new phenomenon: the rise of so-called global bureaucracy which is even less productive than national ones but suck out more and more scarce resources worldwide... Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Strauss-Kahn . . . has consistently been among the most popular possible candidates to contest France’s 2012 presidential election, according to opinion polls. This surely is the more important news item to come out of this story, since Strauss-Kahn was a virtual shoo-in as the next French President. Sitting President Sarkozy must be breathing an enormous sigh of relief for, even if found innocent, Strauss-Kahn's political future is all but dead. Knowing how much I like conspiracy theories, I wonder how much that maid was paid? (Only joking!) Quote
Bob Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Knowing how much I like conspiracy theories, I wonder how much that maid was paid? (Only joking!) What might be more precious is if it turns out the maid's real name is Ralph. Sort of a Thai angle to the story....hehe. Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 It looks like to be a huge story and I want to be precise:according to recent information:DSK paid for the suite himself. Thus no taxpayers money involved. He is now arraigned and will remain in custody without bail. He was considered to be possible candidate from Socialist party to French Presidency. An interesting angle here is that according to Wikipedia he is sephard Jew by origins and was a communist in his youth which tells you that France made a substantial progress since famous Dreifus case ( I refer here to traditional French anti-semitism). On the other hand, if allegations proved to be true his behavior is clearly criminal and gives you a general idea of what current French socialists are about... Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 . . . the rise of so-called global bureaucracy which is even less productive than national ones but suck out more and more scarce resources worldwide... From what I have been reading over the last 24 hours, several commentators seem to single out for praise the IMF "which under Mr Strauss-Kahn has enjoyed a renaissance and played a leading role in managing the global financial crisis." http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/29ed5658-6ab6-11e0-80a1-00144feab49a.html#axzz1MZnWyRdU Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 From what I have been reading over the last 24 hours, several commentators seem to single out for praise the IMF "which under Mr Strauss-Kahn has enjoyed a renaissance and played a leading role in managing the global financial crisis." http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/29ed5658-6ab6-11e0-80a1-00144feab49a.html#axzz1MZnWyRdU My comment was in light of allegations that DSK abused his position by misusing IMF funds for personal reasons. In my previous post I indicated that this allegations proved (so far) to be unfounded. I have to say that these are not my personal allegations. Regarding the role of IMF, well, there are various opinions. E.g. it is absolutely clear that Greek debt should be restructured (historically Greek defaulted several times) and there is absolutely no way they can pay off their debt through austerity measures. In light of this EU-IMF bail out is total waste of money. This dance is choreographed in this way due to exclusively political reasons and guess who is paying: US tax payers (at least on IMF side). Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 This is from Zerohedge.com Client #10 Emerges: Spitzer Madam Says She Provided Prostitutes For DSK In 2006 Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/18/2011 20:32 -0400 When we first speculated that many women would step up and claim they were being abused by DSK a few days back, we had no idea just how right we would be. Yet even we had no idea about the moral caliber of the women doing the "stepping up." Well, The Telegraph has just released the bombshell. "Dominique Strauss-Kahn hired prostitutes from the "Manhattan Madam" who infamously also served Eliot Spitzer, the disgraced former Governor of New York, she claimed on Wednesday night. Kristin Davis said she provided young women for the IMF chief in 2006, as he ran for the French Socialists' presidential nomination, and that one complained about his "aggressive" behaviour. "He was a client of my agency," she told The Daily Telegraph. "When men abuse women I'm no longer going to protect their identities". As for DSK's preference: ""He wanted an 'All-American girl', with a fresh face, from the mid-West," she said. "A girl in January 2006 complained he was rough and angry, and said she didn't want to see him again"."And the hits just keep on coming... How and when did this happen: In September 2006, Mr Strauss-Kahn travelled to New York for a conference hosted by Bill Clinton. Miss Davis claims that month, she sent him a Brazilian-born prostitute who reported that "he was rough", said Miss Davis, adding: "She told me not to send any new girls to him." Miss Davis was jailed in 2008 for promoting prostitution. She named Mr Spitzer, who resigned that year over disclosures that he used prostitutes, as one of her clients. Mr Strauss-Kahn's lawyers declined to comment on the allegations. They came as the maid told a New York court of her ordeal and the IMF chief was alleged to have assaulted a maid in Mexico. And so the seeds of the Spitzer-Strauss CNN show are now firmly planted. Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 This is also from zerohedge.com Is This Why DSK Is Housed In A Ward For Inmates With Infectious Diseases Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/18/2011 10:10 -0400 Yesterday when we broke the news that DSK was housed in Rikers Island "West Facility" reserved for inmates with infectious diseases, we speculated, jokingly we hoped, that this may be due to his affliction with a certain sexually transmitted disease. Alas, if what the the NY Post reports this morning ends up being true, the situation may be substantially more serious: "Dominique Strauss-Kahn may have more to worry about than a possible prison sentence. The IMF chief's alleged sex-assault victim lives in a Bronx apartment rented exclusively for adults with HIV or AIDS, The Post has learned. The hotel maid, a West African immigrant, has occupied the fourth-floor High Bridge pad with her 15-year-old daughter since January -- and before that, lived in another Bronx apartment set aside by Harlem Community AIDS United strictly for adults with the virus and their families." Oops. From the Post: The Post has not been able to ascertain whether the maid, 32, has HIV/AIDS because of medical confidentiality laws. But the agency rents apartments only for adults with the disease. A Harlem United worker said at least one adult in the household has to be HIV-positive or have AIDS to qualify for one of their units. A healthy adult with a child with HIV or AIDS is not eligible. "The [current] apartment isn't rented under her name. Harlem [Community AIDS] United places their tenants in our building," explained an employee of the apartment building's property manager, Chaim Gross, of Brooklyn. The maid had previously lived in another High Bridge apartment rented by Harlem United, a source said. She had moved there with her child in 2008. According to the agency, it is not uncommon for people with HIV/AIDS to move around. Her lawyer, Jeffrey Shapiro, and a close family friend said the chambermaid is a widow who lives alone with her daughter. Public records list her as the only adult in the current apartment and the only adult having lived in her previous apartment. Neighbors also say it was just her and the child in both places. While as some insinuate this could explain why DSK has been on suicide watch, the reality is that for the HIV virus to manifest itself in blood serum takes several months, so if indeed true and if the maid does carry the HIV virus, there would be no way to know if DSK hismelf is infect if indeed he did have sex and if such sex was unprotected and so forth. Look for much more media hysteria on the topic imminently. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Voldemar, can you please put direct quotes into inverted commas using the icon to the right of the panel above the posting box. And can you also please insert the hyperlinks. It is very difficult to see what is a direct quote and what might be your comments. Thanks. Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Voldemar, can you please put direct quotes into inverted commas using the icon to the right of the panel above the posting box. And can you also please insert the hyperlinks. It is very difficult to see what is a direct quote and what might be your comments. Thanks. Sorry, I will do only in two cases: 1. This is the requirement of the message board or 2. This is the requirement of the source. Are you running this message board? Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 When I jokingly suggested a set-up in my first post, little did I realise that that particular bandwagon would gain such momentum. SInce there are no hyperlinks in Voldemar's posts, I find it difficult to decide for myself what might be true or otherwise. For example, this comment in post #8 above from the Madame who is now in jail - Kristin Davis said she provided young women for the IMF chief in 2006, as he ran for the French Socialists' presidential nomination, and that one complained about his "aggressive" behaviour. "He was a client of my agency," she told The Daily Telegraph. "When men abuse women I'm no longer going to protect their identities". As for DSK's preference: ""He wanted an 'All-American girl', with a fresh face, from the mid-West," she said. "A girl in January 2006 complained he was rough and angry, and said she didn't want to see him again". Point #1: his preference was for an “all-American girl”. Well, that hardy sounds like the chamber-maid who was dark-skinned. But then, perhaps he was just plain horny on the day in question. Point #2: "When men abuse women I'm no longer going to protect their identities" Oh really? So, why not tell all in 2006 and 2007? Why not let it come out in the wash with the Spitzer revelations? Why wait till now? Not believable! I have no idea what to make about the comments re the maid living in a block exclusively for people with HIV or AIDS. I checked The Daily Telegraph which confirms the information - The 32-year-old Guinean, who is not being named due to the nature of the alleged attack, has lived in an apartment in The Bronx, the northernmost borough of New York City, since January this year. The property, where she lives with her 15-year-old daughter, is rented out by the Harlem United Community Aids Center, which provides services including housing to local HIV-positive people. Typically an adult in the household must be HIV-positive or have Aids to be eligible for one of the group's properties. Jeffrey Shapiro, the maid's lawyer, has said that she is a widow. She is the only adult registered at the property, to which she has not returned since the alleged attack last weekend.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8521881/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-maid-lives-in-apartment-block-for-HIV-sufferers.html Does this provide further indication of a set-up? No idea – yet! As to the alleged rough treatment, any young woman alleging sexual molestation and rape cold presumably engineer some bruising prior to entering the suite. If she was giving Strauss-Kahn the impression of a consensual sexual encounter, she could have got close to him and then easily scratched him to get some of his skin under her nails. Oh dear! Watching too many CSI episodes is bonus time for conspiracy theorists! Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Sorry, I will do only in two cases: 1. This is the requirement of the message board or 2. This is the requirement of the source. Are you running this message board? Apart from the possible legal implications which are covered in a separate thread, it is also a matter of courtesy to other readers since it makes long posts much more easy to read. Additionally, it is a policy which was decided on by the moderators of this Board early last year. It is a policy which I think is sensible and have so stated. You know perfectly well I do not own or run this Board, and neither am I a moderator. Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Additionally, it is a policy which was decided on by the moderators of this Board early last year. It is a policy which I think is sensible and have so stated. Sorry, Where is this policy stated? I looked once again at policies of the message center and I do not see it. Could you,please, show me the way? Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 From my perspective it does not really matter whether it was set up or not ( I think we will eventually find it out). What is more important is whether there was a known pattern of abusive behavior of DSK towards various women and whether he used his powerful position of a member of French elite to threaten and blackmail his victims. If this is the case, how come that French socialists considered him as leading candidate for French Presidency? At this point, it is,of course a hypothetical question... Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 What is more important is whether there was a known pattern of abusive behavior of DSK towards various women and whether he used his powerful position of a member of French elite to threaten and blackmail his victims. If this is the case, how come that French socialists considered him as leading candidate for French Presidency? On these points, I certainly agree. His reputation as a womaniser seems to have been pretty widespread throughout France. But then we know that sexual indiscretion in that country is of little interest to the media. Abusive behaviour and rape is a much more serious issue. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Sorry, Where is this policy stated? The essence of the discussion over copyright was what is “fair use” and what is breach of copyright of a printed article. The relevant posts are the first two in this thread - Posting of News Articles Post #1 was written Michael (the Board owner) on 20 April 2010 – I just finished my conversation with a lawyer in USA. He said that few cases ever appear of Copyright Infringement where someone posts from a newspaper, but that it is possible and more papers are starting to pursue this. His firm deals with this on a regular basis and he said he has never seen a suit from a nNewspaper that would sue a site like ours as we are very small potatoes. That said, he did say that if they choose to sue, while they would not win, it would be very costly to pursue on our side and thus make the outcome irrelevant. He said the appropriate way to make these posts are to take a segment (approximately half of an article or less) and post it with a link that says something like, For the remaining article see: This creates incentive for users to go to the original source. Lastly, he said that if the above is done and there are comments on the content of the article from the original poster, there is no court that would ever see this as infringing on their rights. The following post was from Gaybutton who was the site Moderator at the time – And, as I have already stated on that thread, we'll do it that way from now on. Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 The essence of the discussion over copyright was what is Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 I will make it very simple: if I violate current rules, I will definitely correct it. If not, I will stick to my pattern where I clearly indicate the source and do what is required by the source. You clearly may do as you wish unless unless - and until - the Message Center Policies are altered to reflect what had been agreed. Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Jon Steward on DSK case: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/jon-stewarts-dsk-takedown Quote
pong Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 maybe I can jump in between this 2-persons discussion: 1.after it was all worldwide in any newsppr, a French journalist also came to testify she was indecently touched (or whatever) by DSK when interviewing him. At that time her other, a high-up FR socialist lady, told her to keep silent-it would come much more valuable later on........ Oh what a nice game politics seems to be! 2.in local newspprs here a discussion came on as to why it was that about any high-ranking politician seems to run behind his c..k - maybe you can only succeed in politics if you have to much of that hormone burning in you? 3. is it really US-law that someone accused of raping a lady can be put behind bars (well, maybe precious self-paid ones) for such a long time? 4.if this high-placed person is so adapt at managing a world-wide big fund, was able to transform it succesfully into an institution of fame, probably an ''eleve'' of the ENA-that French state-run Eton-like training school (well, uni or so) for the really high-brow elite and those becoming the ruling elite, must know exceedingly well what the rules are in other countries, notoriously that USA, how the heck would he make such an idiot mistake? Is that really only libido going mad? Quote
Guest voldemar Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 maybe I can jump in between this 2-persons discussion: 1.after it was all worldwide in any newsppr, a French journalist also came to testify she was indecently touched (or whatever) by DSK when interviewing him. At that time her other, a high-up FR socialist lady, told her to keep silent-it would come much more valuable later on........ Oh what a nice game politics seems to be! 2.in local newspprs here a discussion came on as to why it was that about any high-ranking politician seems to run behind his c..k - maybe you can only succeed in politics if you have to much of that hormone burning in you? 3. is it really US-law that someone accused of raping a lady can be put behind bars (well, maybe precious self-paid ones) for such a long time? 4.if this high-placed person is so adapt at managing a world-wide big fund, was able to transform it succesfully into an institution of fame, probably an ''eleve'' of the ENA-that French state-run Eton-like training school (well, uni or so) for the really high-brow elite and those becoming the ruling elite, must know exceedingly well what the rules are in other countries, notoriously that USA, how the heck would he make such an idiot mistake? Is that really only libido going mad? These are all very good questions... Here is an interesting perspective how things may change in France under the influence of DSK case... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-23/strauss-kahn-new-york-case-may-curb-libertine-ways-of-powerful-french-men.html Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 25, 2011 Posted May 25, 2011 Hot on the heels of leaked allegations that the DNA evidence definitely links DSK to the hotel housekeeper, now another issue has arisen. Was union representation a factor in the case? There is an interesting article in today Quote
KhorTose Posted May 25, 2011 Posted May 25, 2011 I found Jon Steward's take on two of his defenders very funny. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-may-19-2011/la-cage-aux-fools Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 If I should ever get into any serious trouble, I will pray that Nixon Quote