Farang Logic........

[Guest wowpow]

Yes I think I do. If I am interested in a guy on the beach or Rama IV Road I often ask them how much they like and many will ask for Bt700 with a smile that says "I'm willing to negotiate" I'll give them what they ask.

 

From bars, and I tend to go to Boyztown and Suriwong areas, I tip over Bt1000 and usually nearer Bt1500 and for a superstar who 'takes me to Paradise' Bt2000 though I tell him that this is a bonus price. I think I am generous and friends think that I am very generous if not foolishly so. I tend to give larger tips when I have had a few drinks.

 

There are many things going on in people's minds when 'tipping' and I think it is very complex indeed. Attitudes vary there are those who see it as a simple purchase of services and they negotiate keenly. For others it's a big deal akin to having found a new lover or boyfriend.

 

I read this somewhere and it stuck " Foreigners seek sex as a semi-religious experience - for Thais it's like scratching an itch".

[Guest fishing]

Up2U, three years is not really that long ago but you may well be right as far as Boyztown is concerned; I stopped offing from there and going there apart from specifically to meet farang friends a few years before that as I found the atmosphere and the boys too openly commercial, far too pushy, and no longer enjoyable, choosing to go to Sunee instead.

 

I always took long time, have never tipped over 1,000 baht, have never had any sort of problem with bars or boys, and on the contrary always found that any boy I had previously taken would invariably approach me on my next visit to "his" bar (or even shopping in the supermarket!), often some months or even years later. Only on one occasion has a boy ever queried the tip - a boy from the cabaret in Top Man whom I tipped 1,000 baht the first time, 800 the second and 600 the third and last time; when he did I explained that the first time he was very good, the second noticeably less so, and the third time he did a good impersonation of a dead sheep. He laughed and said that now he knew why nobody ever offed him more than three times!! When I saw him next, a few months later, he came up to me and smilingly (but seriously) offered to go with me for free - I smiled too, but declined (and bought him a drink for trying).

 

I see no reason at all why your friends, or anyone else, should not pay 2,000 baht for a short time if that is what makes them and the boys happy, but from my own experience and what I have seen personally it does not necessarily get them any more respect or better service. As far as sponsoring boys' education, or genuine medical treatment, etc, is concerned I have done so myself and respect anyone who does so, but I do not consider this to be any part of commercial sex.

 

Teepee, I think that you are spot on when you say that there are reasonable tips and unreasonable ones and that these vary in the mind of the boy and the customer. I certainly do not consider myself "charming", speak reasonable but not fluent Thai, and actually consider myself quite selfish in bed! I never "negotiate keenly", and generally would not take any boy who raised the subject of money, as I find it rather off-putting. In most bars I was apparently well known enough for boys to ask another boy who had gone with me, or the mama-san, what I tipped and what I required, and to act accordingly. I have never tipped as low as 300 baht apart from on a very few occasions when I knew the boy, he approached me and told me he only wanted a short time and that was all he wanted to be paid; often on these occasions I would not be interested but, if he clearly had no money for a meal, I would normally give him enough for food for the day.

 

If the "market forces" or the bars do push the "suggested minimum" up it will inevitably be many of the boys who will suffer as the scene becomes more commercial, as Boyztown has, and this will change the atmosphere. There are certainly less customers around than a few years ago and it is probably this change in atmosphere rather than any additional cost itself which is responsible, at least in part.

[Guest noy9000]

I'm a total newbie to this scene (please look at forum - I didn't know about this tipping thing) but I'm like .. *wtf* reading some of the posters who're reflecting how they're in person on the forum. To be reasonable - a sex worker should earns more than an a poor english teacher (who earns 24,000THB p/mth).

 

To pay anything less than 1000THB feels *sinful* to me (I don't include the usual massage HJs).

To pay 1500THB is reasonable for an overnight stayer. reasonable & period - anything more than that is indeed bonus.

 

I must say that 1000THB, 1500THB is reasonable - especially to western standards. These boys have short shelf-life (most maxed out by 23-25) this period of time in the bar is the time to save money.. before they really retire into the saddening below 10,000THB p/mth pay. Okay, it's my fault for pitying the boys (I'm not - but those guys who seek to argue will use this word) - but I'm human. This sets reasonable folks apart from the rest. And f*** it, what is 1000THB to most of us here?

 

We're merely from a better society - taking advantage of another kind society. Seriously & bluntly - if you're reasonably attractive or good looking (not an attack, I know middle-age gays are difficult in the 'gaydar'), will you even need to visit the gay bars?

 

Just 1 question - how do you put on the satisfactory meter? I realised that alot of the boys are expecting to get 'served' rather than 'serve' - is it really an okay, to give him taxi fare & send him out the door? minimum taxi fare - 500THB? Personally, I'll feel that if the boy says he can gives 'heads' & 'f**kable' - I won't expect me to ask him to 'blow' me since I'm absolutely sure he'll be trying to giving you a HJ - hoping that you'll ejaculate & than he saves time - than goes home early. Sex worker is different from a BF - I won't expect it to be passionate... but do I have to really go --- "do this","do that"...."on track?!"

 

seems like Tawan bar has the most lazy boys huh - it's like that everywhere. But does the 1000THB, 1500THB standard applies to them? it was mentioned that these guys *blah blah blah* on food supplements & stuff.

 

To the few guys who know on sponsoring boy's education.. how much is their fees really? I'd gather as much it could be about 20000THB p/ yr is it true?

 

Personally, i rather have a long term 'sex boy' - who comes frequently. The sex is possibly better, there's more understanding & probably he'll know where tickles me. lol.

[Guest JoeM]

Always an interesting discussion with many opinions of what is right. I don't think there is single right answer as TeePee has also suggested.

 

Last week I offed two waiters and two dancers from 1 bar and a waiter from another (all Boys Town boys). Had to turn down three more very willing volunteers. We all went to Hollywood and danced till closing. I had taken a couple of these boys to Hollywood before, and all know me for at least two years.

 

As done previously, and on the recommendation of my longterm Thai BF, I tipped each boy 500 baht. I also gave each 100 baht for a motosai home. BF had invited a friend and and told me no need to tip his friend who works as a waiter in Sunnee. Well I tipped him anyway and BF later said this was not expected by his friend, but considered very nice. A late dinner/early breakfast was offered to all and politely declined by all. I think everyone was exhausted from the partying. We all sure looked exhausted.

 

The next day I heard from each boy telling me what a great time he had and asking when was the next trip to Hollywood. Groan, I can't keep up with these guys.

[Guest noy9000]

The next day I heard from each boy telling me what a great time he had and asking when was the next trip to Hollywood. Groan, I can't keep up with these guys.

Where exactly is this Hollywood? I party in Rachadapisek's Hollywood too - but you mentioned Boys Town. I'm like confused.

 

[Guest JoeM]

Sorry to cause confusion. I was refering to Pattaya venues.

 

Boys Town or Pattayaland.

 

Boys Town Map

 

 

Hollywood is a nearby disco near Day Night Hotel (actually right behind).

 

Day Night Area Map

 

[Guest paulg]

Unfortunately I know several farang at the bottom end of the scale.

 

Both are high income farang that brag about their income as in excess of 150,000 baht per

month after tax, but choose to live in one star hotels near the old Mutleys..

 

They sleep all day and go out at night and give their phone numbers to boys and ask them to ring if they dont get offed. They brag about buying breakfast at a street stall and giving the boy(s) 200b

After getting rid of the boy they go to a breakfast buffet in second road and gorge themselves.

 

They will pay commission 100b to meet a new boy who they pay little or anything to.

They still only pay 200b for a beach masage which I think it lousy.

 

I have been abused for spoiling this for everybody by paying the 1000/1500 standard mentioned above. I started coming here in 1991 when 500b was the norm and it has doubled only in 15 years.

I do give extra for a boy that I think is worth it.

 

In BKK I pay 1500/2000 with a tip if justified.

[Guest noy9000]

is the standard not same in bangkok & pattaya? why are you willing to pay higher there?

[Gaybutton]

is the standard not same in bangkok & pattaya? why are you willing to pay higher there?

 

I agree completely with Paulg and, unfortunately, I know people who are like that too, but they don't necessarily reside in hovels. They just try to get away with paying these boys as little as possible and come up with every justification in the world for it.

 

The standard is higher in Bangkok. Phuket too. I don't know why the standard is higher in Bangkok and Phuket, but there it is. My boyfriend and I just returned from having spent five days in Phuket. We were told, by many sources, some of which have no reason to lie about it, that the expected tip in Phuket is 1500 baht for short time, 2000 baht for long time.

 

I'm sure, as in other cities, you could get away with paying less in Phuket if that's what you want to do, but that's what we were told the standard expected tip is.

[Guest noy9000]

I agree completely with Paulg and, unfortunately, I know people who are like that too, but they don't necessarily reside in hovels. They just try to get away with paying these boys as little as possible and come up with every justification in the world for it.

 

The standard is higher in Bangkok. Phuket too. I don't know why the standard is higher in Bangkok and Phuket, but there it is. My boyfriend and I just returned from having spent five days in Phuket. We were told, by many sources, some of which have no reason to lie about it, that the expected tip in Phuket is 1500 baht for short time, 2000 baht for long time.

 

I'm sure, as in other cities, you could get away with paying less in Phuket if that's what you want to do, but that's what we were told the standard expected tip is.

 

No... the short time in Phuket is 1000THB, long time is 1500THB. I have a friend who goes Phuket monthly; there's lots of reason to lie about tipping, he can speak - but not necessarily pay that amount. Phuket are Bangkok & Pattaya's yesterday's boys.

[Gaybutton]

No... the short time in Phuket is 1000THB, long time is 1500THB. I have a friend who goes Phuket monthly; there's lots of reason to lie about tipping, he can speak - but not necessarily pay that amount. Phuket are Bangkok & Pattaya's yesterday's boys.

 

Your friend is told one thing and we're told another. Either way, I can agree with you about one thing . . . "Phuket are Bangkok & Pattaya's yesterday's boys." That's for sure in Phuket, as far as I'm concerned. I saw a grand total of one boy who I thought was attractive. One bar in Paradise complex had plenty of boys. I think the youngest one in there was at least 32. Another bar had plenty of boys, but nearly all were lady-boys. I have nothing against lady-boys, but these boys were as femme as I have ever seen and that wasn't attractive to me at all. A third bar, a short distance from Paradise Complex, a much older bar, had a grand total of 4 boys working as dancers. As we were approaching the bar, the doorman gave them a high-sign. They were dancing when we entered. After no more than three minutes all of them sat down and that's the last time any of them got up of their butts.

 

I hope your friend is right about the going rate. I only know what we were consistently told. It wouldn't matter to me if the rate was 50 baht or 50,000 baht. I wouldn't have "offed" any of the boys I saw even if they were free. That's just my opinion, of course.

[Guest noy9000]

Gathering the facts, Phuket is not as popular as a gay destination for sex - at least still under the shades of Bangkok & Phuket. It'll only be logical that the standard rates is more applicable here - and even possibly lower.

 

In short 1000THB, 1500THB - and I'll never be wrong anywhere in Thailand.

[Guest thierry5981]

As with most things, Thailand does it differently. Most places in the World the sex worker/brothel/agency sets the price. This is regulated by market forces to some degree. I think that most people don't tip unless the experience has been exceptional. For US$200 an hour one expects a reasonable performance. Just reading the Escort reviews on CFS, it seems that most people are pleased.

 

Here in Thailand it seems that the customer sets the price. Even when he tips really meanly the polite Thai cannot say anything but won't go with that customer again.

 

I hear of many stories of mean farangs. One used to be very specific about his requirements and fee of Bt500. The boy agreed and was offed. none of his boys ever pleased him enough to get the full 500. Eventually bars started banning him and he relaxed this regime.

 

I know of one charming man who only ever tips Bt300 and droves of boys like him. He does speak fluent Thai and is very romantic.

 

Some time ago I was mad for a guy who had stopped working in bars. He used to tell me many stories about his customers. One took him to the Suriwong Hotel and they did the business. The guy said "oh I'm sorry I left my money in the car - wait here a moment" and never came back. The boy saw him a couple of weeks later and 6' of muscleman demanded his money and got it.

 

This guy worked at Harry's Bar in Silom Soi 2. Once he was told to go to a room at a smart hotel. He went and received a tip of Bt50,000. The next day he say the guy on the front page of the newspapers. He was a Government Minister.

 

Another friend of mine was tipped Bt20,000 by a wealthy Thai guy. He only saw him once and it was on the boys birthday so the guy was very generous.

 

A few years back I was on Rama IV very late and a boy said "Please take me home, I go with you Bt200 as I have no money" I took him and found out that he worked some bar on Suckhumvit and they had few customers. He was a delight and received an overgenerous tip.

 

The only tipping guideline that stays in my mind is from Turning Point Bar on Suckhumvit. This was considered a very 'upmarket' bar in it's day. They had the unusual policy of charging for the off and tip before you took a boy and the inclusive price was Bt1500. I presumed Bt300 for the bar and Bt1200 for the boy.

 

There are Escort Agencies in Bangkok who charge Bt5000 up for their guys. I'll never forget being at the Dusit Pattaya at the buffet one Saturday. There was a short fat rich looking guy with three of the most gorgeous boys imaginable. They all went to the buffet together and when they did conversation stopped throughout the restaurant.

 

My conclusion is that there are reasonable tips and unreasonable ones but these can vary in the mind of the service worker and the customer between Bt200 and Bt50,000 for commercial sex. There are, of course, those whores in Babylon doing it for free!

 

 

moi je me suis fait un serveur au babylon et dire qu'il y a plein d'homos qui en revent !

le prochain coup je l'invite lui et son copain laotien dans ma residence

pour un sejour culturel je leur passerai histoire d'o et 2001 odyssee de l'espace ( a la yannawa) excusez moi je ne fais pas partie des occidentaux fiers d'eux mais les outils pour sculpteurs et la culture aussi bizarre que cela paraisse ca paye! et encore je ne suis qu'un franc tireur

a part ca je trouve que le sauna babylon a une reputation justifiee , mes serveurs aussi c'est meme moi qui je suit pas a la hauteur !

je viendrai avec de la 4711 et du fragonard au cas ou les thailandais voudraient faire authentiques ... quand j'aurai des sous

sans oublier le wisky ...

j'admire sincerement les thailandais pour leur simplicite et leur intelligence

des fois j'ai honte d'etre europeen