Members stevenkesslar Posted November 18 Members Posted November 18 7 hours ago, EmmetK said: This election is the beginning of a new TRUMP multi-ethnic, multi-racial TRUMP coalition that will dominate American politics for generations to come. What is up with the lies and delusions? I mean, Trump is unhinged, and getting worse. But why is everybody who elected him delusional? Even for a party that disdains facts, this is kind of funny to watch. Kind of funny in that it is also sad that the delusions and lies will cause so much pain. Sorry, Democrats. America is Just Not That Into You. I'll start with funny full on delusion and hate. Apparently the Democratic Party is now Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. America hates us. And we can't handle the truth! Which is why we won Senate seats in 4 of 5 swing states. It's why we may have picked up one US House seat. It's why Trump's "landslide" was a few million votes, less than half of Biden's "landslide" in 2020. But most MAGA folks will have nothing, nothing, nothing to do with reality. You're like Pavlov's dogs. Trump says, "Stolen election. Beat cops." You say "stolen election" and go beat the shit out of cops. Trump says, "I win landslide. Perfect economy." You say, "biggest landslide ever." Trump feeds you lies and delusions, and you obey. For all your lies and cruelty, I have to admit you are a very cute and obedient puppy. Woof! Here pup, here's another lie. Chew it down! I challenge anyone to read that unhinged article and figure out which landslide Trump just won. It's just unhinged. Maybe Democrats don't understand Trump just won Nixon's 1972 landslide. Or maybe we don't understand Trump just won Reagan's 1980 landslide. It's all just delusion. I do understand math. Reagan beat Carter by 10 points. Nixon beat McGovern by 33 points. Trump is beating Harris by less than 2 points. Right now he is at exactly 50.0 % of the vote. Enjoy your delusional majority while it lasts, @EmmetKruelty. By the time California's votes are counted it will be less than a majority. In California, where Reagan and Nixon did win massive landslides, Harris is currently beating Trump by 20 points, 58 to 38. Some landslide! Some Reagan! Some Nixon! Here pup! Here pup! Have another lie as a reward! Good pup! Chew it down! Unity, But Not Compromise, Is the Path Forward Frank Miele is a MAGA true believer I like to read to get a more coherent and mostly rational view of the often unhinged bullshit and lies of MAGA politics. If I want fully unhinged cruelty and lies, all I have to do is read @EmmetKruelty to get the scoop. So I give Miele credit for at least thinking about unity, as opposed to @EmmetKruelty. Miele flat out rejects the idea of "compromise" or "bipartisanship" as delusional unity, and instead says what MAGA folk truly believe. This is a civil war. And we will do whatever the fuck it takes to win. That speaks to the heart and soul of Trump and MAGA for sure. Thankfully, this time it has not involved cop beating. Yet. Quote A more realistic view of unity is the Civil War model. Two sides are diametrically opposed. One side will prevail. You fight like hell to make sure it is yours. President Lincoln’s goal wasn’t to crush the South, but that result was necessary in order to ensure that his vision of “one nation indivisible” would quash the secessionist movement and stop the spread of slavery. That sums it up nicely. In slightly less polite language, "crush the fuckers." And, yes, lies and @EmmetKruelty are okay. But, please. Let's be careful out there. And let's try not to beat any cops this time. It's not a good look, and hard to deny. But at least if we have to beat cops or whatever we have a Fox News loyalist at Defense and a sex trafficking loyalist at DOJ. Woo hoo! I like unity! See how hard Trump tries to unify? Here pup! Here pup! Have another lie. Chew it down. The idea that Trump (and Musk) are like Lincoln trying to free the slaves actually fits well with the fully unhinged brand of MAGA. I think the feeling among the older true believers is I can't have my factory job and my old way of life back. But at least I can be freed of the Deep State, whatever that is. And that Joe Scarborough! Fuck those former right wing elitists who stand up for democratic principles! So Trump has to do three things: break shit, break shit, and break more shit. Who knew that Matt Gaetz, Tulsi Gabbard, and Pete Hegseth were freedom fighters, liberating the slaves from whatever bad shit (or laws) get in Trump's way as he commits felonies, lies, rapes, and gives tax breaks to himself and his donors? Speaking of which, where in any of this unhinged delusional nonsense is there anything about Trump's # 1 priority in Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0: cutting taxes for billionaires like Trump and Musk, and corporations? And of course rich Trump donors? We don't talk about that, do we? We also don't talk about the #2 priority, cutting Obamacare. Or at least cutting working class health insurance premiums, and maybe Medicaid. Because that is what Trump's rich conservative donors have wanted for a very long time. MONEY FOR BILLIONAIRES, MONEY FOR BILLIONAIRES, MORE POWER FOR CORPORATIONS. That's the real agenda. Here pup. Here pup. Have another lie. Chew it down. Good pup. We are freeing you slaves from the Deep State. Be an obedient pup now while we cut taxes for billionaires! And don't beat any cops, okay? Biden clearly fucked up with immigration. So Democrats can blame ourselves for that. It is the part of "break shit, break shit, and break shit" that actually does fit with the public mood to some degree: deport, deport, deport. That said, the Fox News/Votecast poll says most Americans oppose mass deportation, and would like to see a path for illegals to become citizens created. The interesting question which I spend no time thinking about is this. Will Trump do it in a moderate way, so he can do something that visibly makes things better, and then say he is done? Or will he go for the most extreme @EmmetKruelty version, which is what his White nationalist base wants? Time will tell. We sure know Trump never does extreme things that play to his delusional base, though. Here pup. Here pup. Have another lie. Good boy. I think where the rubber really hits the road, after the opening act of trying to ram through a child sex offender and loyalist to head DOJ, is when we get to the part about cutting taxes for billionaires and corporations. In a better and purer America, Trump could deport the vermin and lower taxes for Trump and Musk and billionaire donors by royal edict. Republicans in the Senate might not even go along with that. Whether they roll over like good puppies for the sex trafficking AG will be a big clue. But at some point Trump is going to have to disguise the fact that the real agenda all along was to break shit, cut taxes for billionaires and corporations, and take the health care insurance premiums of Latino Moms and Black Dads away. Good luck with that. It was wildly unpopular in Trump 1.0. Better luck next time. Oddly, for extremist Republicans, many of these MAGA true believers like Miele also argue Trump is the new FDR. They sure love this "landslide" idea way more than "stolen election, beat cops." The delusion Biden had is that he could have FDR's power without having FDR's landslide, and Senate, and House. But at least he had very popular ideas. And Biden did know how to do compromise, and actually win bipartisan laws. But for Manchin and Sinema, we would have had higher taxes on billionaires. There could have been some watered down student debt relief that passed through Congress. Child tax credits that helped tens of millions of working class families would have survived, and helped them put food on the table and gas in the tank. Arguably, those three actions alone would have given Harris some specific things to fight to keep, and win narrowly rather than lose narrowly. Trump's problem is he can't put lipstick on the pig of tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, which is his #1 priority. He will work hard to convince people that letting oil company CEOs do whatever they want lowers costs. And on that Trump has a point. So, like with Biden, there are some actually popular things - more drilling in the US - that he can get done and sell. But mostly it is delusions of grandeur. Trump, the world's biggest narcissist, will be way better at Biden than that. Democrats won almost every Governor and House seat they held before the election. We may gain one US House seat from 2022. Not a victory, but not a shellacking. The painful losses were Senate seats in red states that are now MAGA strongholds in their delusional civil war. Democratic Governors have already made clear they will be smart, and reserved. Let Trump have his lies and delusions. Deport, and free the slaves. Work with him where we can. I think they are wise to wait for the house of cards to collapse by itself. TRUMP2024 MAGA LIES DELUSIONS TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES AND CORPORATIONS! JUMP ON BOARD NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! Quote
EmmetK Posted November 18 Author Posted November 18 27 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: What is up with the lies and delusions? I mean, Trump is unhinged, and getting worse. But why is everybody who elected him delusional? Even for a party that disdains facts, this is kind of funny to watch. Kind of funny in that it is also sad that the delusions and lies will cause so much pain. Sorry, Democrats. America is Just Not That Into You. I'll start with funny full on delusion and hate. Apparently the Democratic Party is now Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. America hates us. And we can't handle the truth! Which is why we won Senate seats in 4 of 5 swing states. It's why we may have picked up one US House seat. It's why Trump's "landslide" was a few million votes, less than half of Biden's "landslide" in 2020. But most MAGA folks will have nothing, nothing, nothing to do with reality. You're like Pavlov's dogs. Trump says, "Stolen election. Beat cops." You say "stolen election" and go beat the shit out of cops. Trump says, "I win landslide. Perfect economy." You say, "biggest landslide ever." Trump feeds you lies and delusions, and you obey. For all your lies and cruelty, I have to admit you are a very cute and obedient puppy. Woof! Here pup, here's another lie. Chew it down! I challenge anyone to read that unhinged article and figure out which landslide Trump just won. It's just unhinged. Maybe Democrats don't understand Trump just won Nixon's 1972 landslide. Or maybe we don't understand Trump just won Reagan's 1980 landslide. It's all just delusion. I do understand math. Reagan beat Carter by 10 points. Nixon beat McGovern by 33 points. Trump is beating Harris by less than 2 points. Right now he is at exactly 50.0 % of the vote. Enjoy your delusional majority while it lasts, @EmmetKruelty. By the time California's votes are counted it will be less than a majority. In California, where Reagan and Nixon did win massive landslides, Harris is currently beating Trump by 20 points, 58 to 38. Some landslide! Some Reagan! Some Nixon! Here pup! Here pup! Have another lie as a reward! Good pup! Chew it down! Unity, But Not Compromise, Is the Path Forward Frank Miele is a MAGA true believer I like to read to get a more coherent and mostly rational view of the often unhinged bullshit and lies of MAGA politics. If I want fully unhinged cruelty and lies, all I have to do is read @EmmetKruelty to get the scoop. So I give Miele credit for at least thinking about unity, as opposed to @EmmetKruelty. Miele flat out rejects the idea of "compromise" or "bipartisanship" as delusional unity, and instead says what MAGA folk truly believe. This is a civil war. And we will do whatever the fuck it takes to win. That speaks to the heart and soul of Trump and MAGA for sure. Thankfully, this time it has not involved cop beating. Yet. That sums it up nicely. In slightly less polite language, "crush the fuckers." And, yes, lies and @EmmetKruelty are okay. But, please. Let's be careful out there. And let's try not to beat any cops this time. It's not a good look, and hard to deny. But at least if we have to beat cops or whatever we have a Fox News loyalist at Defense and a sex trafficking loyalist at DOJ. Woo hoo! I like unity! See how hard Trump tries to unify? Here pup! Here pup! Have another lie. Chew it down. The idea that Trump (and Musk) are like Lincoln trying to free the slaves actually fits well with the fully unhinged brand of MAGA. I think the feeling among the older true believers is I can't have my factory job and my old way of life back. But at least I can be freed of the Deep State, whatever that is. And that Joe Scarborough! Fuck those former right wing elitists who stand up for democratic principles! So Trump has to do three things: break shit, break shit, and break more shit. Who knew that Matt Gaetz, Tulsi Gabbard, and Pete Hegseth were freedom fighters, liberating the slaves from whatever bad shit (or laws) get in Trump's way as he commits felonies, lies, rapes, and gives tax breaks to himself and his donors? Speaking of which, where in any of this unhinged delusional nonsense is there anything about Trump's # 1 priority in Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0: cutting taxes for billionaires like Trump and Musk, and corporations? And of course rich Trump donors? We don't talk about that, do we? We also don't talk about the #2 priority, cutting Obamacare. Or at least cutting working class health insurance premiums, and maybe Medicaid. Because that is what Trump's rich conservative donors have wanted for a very long time. MONEY FOR BILLIONAIRES, MONEY FOR BILLIONAIRES, MORE POWER FOR CORPORATIONS. That's the real agenda. Here pup. Here pup. Have another lie. Chew it down. Good pup. We are freeing you slaves from the Deep State. Be an obedient pup now while we cut taxes for billionaires! And don't beat any cops, okay? Biden clearly fucked up with immigration. So Democrats can blame ourselves for that. It is the part of "break shit, break shit, and break shit" that actually does fit with the public mood to some degree: deport, deport, deport. That said, the Fox News/Votecast poll says most Americans oppose mass deportation, and would like to see a path for illegals to become citizens created. The interesting question which I spend no time thinking about is this. Will Trump do it in a moderate way, so he can do something that visibly makes things better, and then say he is done? Or will he go for the most extreme @EmmetKruelty version, which is what his White nationalist base wants? Time will tell. We sure know Trump never does extreme things that play to his delusional base, though. Here pup. Here pup. Have another lie. Good boy. I think where the rubber really hits the road, after the opening act of trying to ram through a child sex offender and loyalist to head DOJ, is when we get to the part about cutting taxes for billionaires and corporations. In a better and purer America, Trump could deport the vermin and lower taxes for Trump and Musk and billionaires donors by royal edict. Republicans in the Senate might not even go along with that. So at some point he's going to have to disguise the fact that the real agenda all along was to break shit, cut taxes for billionaires and corporations, and take the health care insurance premiums of Latino Moms and Black Dads away. Good luck with that. It was wildly unpopular in Trump 1.0. Better luck next time. Oddly, for extremists Republicans, many of this MAGA true believers like Miele also argue Trump is the new FDR. The delusion Biden had is that he could have FDR's power without having FDR's landslide, and Senate, and House. But at least he had very popular ideas. And Biden did know how to do compromise, and actually win bipartisan laws. But for Manchin and Sinema, we would have had higher taxes on billionaires. There could have been some watered down student debt relief that passed through Congress. Child tax credits that helped tens of millions of working class families would have survived, and helped them put food on the table and gas in the tank. Arguably, those three actions alone would have given Harris some specific things to fight to keep, and win narrowly rather than lose narrowly. Trump's problem is he can't put lipstick on the pig of tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, which is his #1 priority. He will work hard to convince people that letting oil company CEOs do whatever they want lowers costs. And on that Trump has a point. So, like with Biden, there are some actually popular things - more drilling in the US - that he can get done and sell. But mostly it is delusions of grandeur. Trump, the world's biggest narcissist, will be way better at Biden than that. Democrats won almost every Governor and House seat they held before the election. We may gain one US House seat from 2022. Not a victory, but not a shellacking. The painful losses were Senate seats in red states that are now MAGA strongholds in their delusional civil war. Democratic Governors have already made clear they will be smart, and reserved. Let Trump have his lies and delusions. Deport, and free the slaves. Work with him where we can. I think they are wise to wait for the house of cards to collapse by itself. TRUMP2024 MAGA LIES DELUSIONS TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES AND CORPORATIONS! JUMP ON BOARD NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! FYI, I, like every other member of this forum have ZERO interest in reading any interminable, boring novels from a know-nothing windbag. In my case, I don't read posts from anyone that is as delusional as you are, suffers from a severe case of TDS, has NO political instincts, quotes Alan Lichtman, aka the Village Idiot, as if he were some kind of expert, and uses sashastone.substack.com as the source of his post. FACT: The American people elected Donald Trump in a landslide. FACT: Trump won in an electoral and popular vote landslide. FACT: Trump received more votes than any previous GOP Presidential nominee. FACT: Trump won with a significant amount of Black and Latino votes FACT: Trump won because he was a BETTER candidate and ran a BETTER campaign (Another fact - Kamala was a total disaster!). Likelihood: The coalition that propelled Trump to his landslide victory and brought the House and Senate along riding his coattails is the start of a brand new multi-racial, multi-ethnic coalition that will last for generations to come. ALL ABOOOOOOOARD! TRUMP2024 MAGA stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 18 Members Posted November 18 1 hour ago, EmmetK said: I don't read posts from anyone that is as delusional as you are In other words, there is no fact you won't deny. Why do you hate American Jews, though? It is kind of weird. Almost half of American Jews think Israel is racist or genocidal or both for the mass slaughter of Palestinian women and children. Denying the mass slaughter is one thing. Hating American Jews and saying they are wrong is another. Why are you so cruel? TRUMP2024 MAGA LIES DELUSIONS TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES AND CORPORATIONS! JUMP ON BOARD NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! Quote
Members Suckrates Posted November 18 Members Posted November 18 9 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: In other words, there is no fact you won't deny. Why do you hate American Jews, though? It is kind of weird. Almost half of American Jews think Israel is racist or genocidal or both for the mass slaughter of Palestinian women and children. Denying the mass slaughter is one thing. Hating American Jews and saying they are wrong is another. Why are you so cruel? TRUMP2024 MAGA LIES DELUSIONS TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES AND CORPORATIONS! JUMP ON BOARD NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! "Live and Let Live" ???? No more..... For Trump World, its "WE Live, YOU suffer"........ Trump Train ??? It's already TOO Late !!! stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 18 Members Posted November 18 58 minutes ago, Suckrates said: For Trump World, its "WE Live, YOU suffer"........ Since we're dealing with facts and reality, unlike @EmmetKruelty, this is a good read. I’ve been on the road speaking to the US right. Trump’s victory was not a surprise The Guardian, for some reason, is good at seeing the handwriting on the wall. In September 2016 they went to Youngstown, Ohio and did an amazing piece (the embedded 11 minute vide) that scared the shit out of me. Because it portrayed briefly and aptly on video how there really was a grassroots movement forming around Trump. They showed how it was fueled by anger and resentment about how the factories were closed and the good blue collar jobs were gone. The piece that got all the media play was racist Kathy Miller saying, "There was no racism before Obama." So it was easy to think they were racist and wrong. Which many of them were, and still are - as this new Guardian piece argues. But there is no question that Trump 2024, like Trump 2016, is a septic tank for storing and then shitting out all kinds of discontents - some very real, some imagined. The imagined one is that the economy sucks for everybody. The Guardian is already wrong, in that - literally in a matter of days, if not hours - the shittiest economy in the world is now the best economy ever. Trump voters who are middle aged or seniors had to somehow forget that their homes are worth more than ever, and their retirement accounts are full of gains. Especially in 2024. That said, the difference between 2016 and 2024 is that 2016 did not come right after a period of inflation that was the worst in about half a century. That does explain why Trump came close to winning 50 % of the vote this time. They did attract some Joe Rogan bros, including some Latinos, who are pissed off about rent, and car prices. But they have little or no plans to actually do anything about it. So the racism is still there. Trump called "Cackles" dumb, stupid, ignorant, and every trope used to put down Black women. And lots of Republicans love it. They'll pile on in a somewhat confused way that all Kamala had to sell was empty joy. But, at the same time, she was still the Angry Black Woman. My more direct line is my Trumpy niece. She goes off with no sense of regret that all the Black women she knows (she actually knows none, as far as I can tell) just like Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama. As if that is a problem. I could call her a racist. It would not change her mind. And letting her say what she really thinks gives me a way to hear and understand how at least some rich White Trump supporters feel. The economy is not their problem. And they say very racist things, very cluelessly. The thing that Guardian piece really got right is that Harris is not an economic populist. And she had no working class populist fight to fight. Sitting down with Liz Cheney to fight for democracy has a lot of appeal. But not to the working class, especially. She didn't fight for the tax increases on the rich her and Biden fought for and won. Because they didn't. She couldn't fight for the student debt relief her and Biden fought for and won. Because they didn't. She couldn't fight for the child tax credits her and Biden fought for and won. Because they lost them, thanks to Manchin and Sinema. That would have been a very different campaign, that lots of pollsters like Stan Greenberg, who understand what works with the White working class, would have argued for. Unless and until Democrats have a reckoning about actually fighting for the working class, Trump has a real some chance of putting together a coalition of Latinos and Blacks. He could decide to raise taxes on billionaires like him. So that Latino and Black Moms and Dads who work their asses off can have child tax credits. Or child care. Or higher minimum wages. Or whatever other economic plan they want. And maybe Trump will surprise us and do this. But, probably, he won't. So it will be trickle down Trump. Give the money to Elon Musk, the richest man in the world. Let him break shit. And hope some of it trickles down to you. Okay. Maybe stuff won't get done. But at least shit will get broken. The Trump true believers are almost all the White nationalists, with the most extreme views. And i think somehow they have it in their mind that even though they love to put down Black women like Harris, somehow Black women are going to run to be on the Trump train. It is delusional. And that is before all the current anger of Black women rises up, and all the pain to Latinos and Blacks begin. Quote
EmmetK Posted November 18 Author Posted November 18 1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said: In other words, there is no fact you won't deny. Why do you hate American Jews, though? It is kind of weird. Almost half of American Jews think Israel is racist or genocidal or both for the mass slaughter of Palestinian women and children. Denying the mass slaughter is one thing. Hating American Jews and saying they are wrong is another. That i beyond delusional. No mainstream poll shows that. Or numbers even close to that. Was that a poll taken by you after you called them "Jew murderers" and "Jew Vermin"? TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
EmmetK Posted November 18 Author Posted November 18 16 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: Since we're dealing with facts and reality, unlike @EmmetKruelty, this is a good read. I’ve been on the road speaking to the US right. Trump’s victory was not a surprise The Guardian, for some reason, is good at seeing the handwriting on the wall. In September 2016 they went to Youngstown, Ohio and did an amazing piece (the embedded 11 minute vide) that scared the shit out of me. Because it portrayed briefly and aptly on video how there really was a grassroots movement forming around Trump. They showed how it was fueled by anger and resentment about how the factories were closed and the good blue collar jobs were gone. The piece that got all the media play was racist Kathy Miller saying, "There was no racism before Obama." So it was easy to think they were racist and wrong. Which many of them were, and still are - as this new Guardian piece argues. But there is no question that Trump 2024, like Trump 2016, is a septic tank for storing and then shitting out all kinds of discontents - some very real, some imagined. The imagined one is that the economy sucks for everybody. The Guardian is already wrong, in that - literally in a matter of days, if not hours - the shittiest economy in the world is now the best economy ever. Trump voters who are middle aged or seniors had to somehow forget that their homes are worth more than ever, and their retirement accounts are full of gains. Especially in 2024. That said, the difference between 2016 and 2024 is that 2016 did not come right after a period of inflation that was the worst in about half a century. That does explain why Trump came close to winning 50 % of the vote this time. They did attract some Joe Rogan bros, including some Latinos, who are pissed off about rent, and car prices. But they have little or no plans to actually do anything about it. So the racism is still there. Trump called "Cackles" dumb, stupid, ignorant, and every trope used to put down Black women. And lots of Republicans love it. They'll pile on in a somewhat confused way that all Kamala had to sell was empty joy. But, at the same time, she was still the Angry Black Woman. My more direct line is my Trumpy niece. She goes off with no sense of regret that all the Black women she knows (she actually knows none, as far as I can tell) just like Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama. As if that is a problem. I could call her a racist. It would not change her mind. And letting her say what she really thinks gives me a way to hear and understand how at least some rich White Trump supporters feel. The economy is not their problem. And they say very racist things, very cluelessly. The thing that Guardian piece really got right is that Harris is not an economic populist. And she had no working class populist fight to fight. Sitting down with Liz Cheney to fight for democracy has a lot of appeal. But not to the working class, especially. She didn't fight for the tax increases on the rich her and Biden fought for and won. Because they didn't. She couldn't fight for the student debt relief her and Biden fought for and won. Because they didn't. She couldn't fight for the child tax credits her and Biden fought for and won. Because they lost them, thanks to Manchin and Sinema. That would have been a very different campaign, that lots of pollsters like Stan Greenberg, who understand what works with the White working class, would have argued for. Unless and until Democrats have a reckoning about actually fighting for the working class, Trump has a real some chance of putting together a coalition of Latinos and Blacks. He could decide to raise taxes on billionaires like him. So that Latino and Black Moms and Dads who work their asses off can have child tax credits. Or child care. Or higher minimum wages. Or whatever other economic plan they want. And maybe Trump will surprise us and do this. But, probably, he won't. So it will be trickle down Trump. Give the money to Elon Musk, the richest man in the world. Let him break shit. And hope some of it trickles down to you. Okay. Maybe stuff won't get done. But at least shit will get broken. The Trump true believers are almost all the White nationalists, with the most extreme views. And i think somehow they have it in their mind that even though they love to put down Black women like Harris, somehow Black women are going to run to be on the Trump train. It is delusional. And that is before all the current anger of Black women rises up, and all the pain to Latinos and Blacks begin. The Guardian? LMFAO! Nothing else needs to be said. TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 18 Members Posted November 18 33 minutes ago, EmmetK said: No mainstream poll shows that. Or numbers even close to that. I posted it already. And you denied the poll. Just like you deny any fact that doesn't support your cruelty and lies. Why are you so cruel? why are yo dishonest? Why do you despise half of American Jews, who you refuse to even try to understand? ALMOST A MAJORITY OF YOUNGER JEWS SAY ISRAEL IS RACIST, AND/OR AN APARTHEID STATE, AND/OR COMMITTING GENOCIDE Every word, every sentence, and every paragraph you write on this topic exposes your devaluation of the lives of Palestinian women and children. If a Palestinian said it, obviously we can just dismiss all that stuff about the mass slaughter of women and children. There can be no genocide when we know the IDF tries very hard not to kill the tens of thousands of Palestinian women and children they killed. It is their own fault. Killing Palestinian women and children is always their own fault. Just like being Jewish vermin was their own fault. And, no, liar. I am not making an anti-Semitic statement. I am attacking an anti-Semitic statement, and the hatred and bigotry and devaluation of life it exposes. Your seeming dismissal and hatred of about half of American Jews, especially those under 40, is more difficult to understand. Where is that coming from? Why are you the Jew and Gay who puts down Jews and Gays, and is happy to dismiss them and vilify the? Liberal Jews, Palestinian women and children, transgender children, and Black women are all the same to you. Attack them! Dismiss any fact that gets in the way! In the case of Palestinian women and kids you are literally saying killing them is fine, as long as we pretend we tried not to kill them as we plan how they will die. As long as we did not intentionally say, "Let's willfully plan to kill as many children as possible," it makes no difference when we kill tens of thousands of women and children. Do you deny The Holocaust, too? You and Trump share the same heroes and hatreds. Quote
EmmetK Posted November 19 Author Posted November 19 4 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: I posted it already. And you denied the poll. Just like you deny any fact that doesn't support your cruelty and lies. Why are you so cruel? why are yo dishonest? Why do you despise half of American Jews, who you refuse to even try to understand? ALMOST A MAJORITY OF YOUNGER JEWS SAY ISRAEL IS RACIST, AND/OR AN APARTHEID STATE, AND/OR COMMITTING GENOCIDE Every word, every sentence, and every paragraph you write on this topic exposes your devaluation of the lives of Palestinian women and children. If a Palestinian said it, obviously we can just dismiss all that stuff about the mass slaughter of women and children. There can be no genocide when we know the IDF tries very hard not to kill the tens of thousands of Palestinian women and children they killed. It is their own fault. Killing Palestinian women and children is always their own fault. Just like being Jewish vermin was their own fault. And, no, liar. I am not making an anti-Semitic statement. I am attacking an anti-Semitic statement, and the hatred and bigotry and devaluation of life it exposes. Your seeming dismissal and hatred of about half of American Jews, especially those under 40, is more difficult to understand. Where is that coming from? Why are you the Jew and Gay who puts down Jews and Gays, and is happy to dismiss them and vilify the? Liberal Jews, Palestinian women and children, transgender children, and Black women are all the same to you. Attack them! Dismiss any fact that gets in the way! In the case of Palestinian women and kids you are literally saying killing them is fine, as long as we pretend we tried not to kill them as we plan how they will die. As long as we did not intentionally say, "Let's willfully plan to kill as many children as possible," it makes no difference when we kill tens of thousands of women and children. Do you deny The Holocaust, too? You and Trump share the same heroes and hatreds. Your source: Ali Abunimah of the Electronic Intifadada.!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO! This must be a joke. But thank you for proving my point. As I said, your statistics are as fake as a 3-dollar bill. As I said, NO reliable, mainstream site has ever or will ever publish that nonsense. - Pure BS. But that's what we've come to expect from you. First, Mondoweiss, then the Guardian, and now the Electronic Infitada... Lol. What next? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 1 hour ago, EmmetK said: The Guardian? LMFAO! Nothing else needs to be said. Duh! You think I didn't know that? You are close-minded, hateful, and bigoted. If it doe not conform to Nazi MAGA ideology, you dismiss it. And you are like a Nazi in that specific sense. Maybe you do or don't want to kill lots of Palestinian women and children. But you definitely dismiss any fact or opinion that does not conform to your narrow ideology and hatreds. Why are you so cruel? Why are you so hateful? But I have to agree. The Guardian prints articles by assholes who savage Trump mercilessly. Why would write shit like this, anyway? Quote In pointing that finger so repeatedly and enthusiastically, Donald Trump has debased our entire political culture. On the right, the party of robust American global leadership now finds itself apologising for a man who apologises for Vladimir Putin even as he scares our staunchest European allies. Quote The great irony is that the people who may make Trump president are among those who most need a constructive politics and an engaged leader. They need a life raft and a mirror. Trump instead offers a political high, a promise to “Make America Great Again” without a single good idea regarding how. How Donald Trump seduced America’s white working class by JD Vance I'm not laughing my ass off. I'm still waiting for those good ideas. Tax cuts for billionaires? Tax cuts for Trump donors? Cut Obamacare? TRUMP2024 MAGA LIES DELUSION HYPOCRISY TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES Quote
EmmetK Posted November 19 Author Posted November 19 27 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: Duh! You think I didn't know that? You are close-minded, hateful, and bigoted. You can do all of the verbal contortions trying to explain your websites of choice: Mondoweiss and the Electronic Intifada, but you can't get out of it. Two rabid Jew-hating sites. I challenged you to support your numbers from a reliable mainstream website and you couldn't. Your statistics were preposterous and incredible. And we now know they are lies. Complete BS. You can never be believed about anything ever again. Whether it is your phony statistics or your phony political instincts. How did your instincts work out for you this election? Lol. Speaks volumes about you and you. No wonder you use terms like "Jew Murderers" and "Jew Vermin" given that you read Mondoweiss and the Electronic Intifada. How are those political instincts of yours doing? As I said, What next? Protocols of the Elders of Zion? TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 32 minutes ago, EmmetK said: I challenged you to support your numbers from a reliable mainstream website and you couldn't. Your statistics were preposterous and incredible. And we now know they are lies. Duh! You just keep confirming my point. At the very least, you are closed-minded, if not outright hateful, of most American Jews. Do you actually hate most American Jews? And if so, is THAT anti-Semitic? You like to label me as anti-Semitic for attacking the kind of hateful language YOU and TRUMP constantly use. Like calling people vermin. Is the national Jewish Electorate Institute anti-Semitic? Do you hate and dismiss them, because they are revealing facts that you don't like? You don't want to accept that almost half of younger American Jews think Israel is racist, and/or an apartheid state, and/or committing genocide. But it's true, whether you accept it or not. Your deep wretched hate does not cancel out facts. You just want to be secure as a pro-Genocide Jew. You don't want your ideology of hate and genocide disturbed by facts or contrary opinions. I can post that chart 1 million times, but you will not waver from being a pro-Genocide Jew. Who cares what other American Jews think? You are using the Goebbels playbook to dismiss Palestinian life completely. Goebbels 101 is that we dismiss whatever Jews say. Duh! Why? Because they are Jews. You dismiss any fact that any Palestinian says because she is a Palestinian. Of course, the United Nations and lots of other organizations are saying most of the tens of thousands the IDF and Bibi The Baby Killer have killed in Gaza are innocent women and children. But it doesn't matter at all to you whether it is Palestinians, or the UN, or the Jews being surveyed by the Jewish Electorate Institute saying it. You are deeply and hatefully committed to being a pro-Genocide Jew. No other facts matter. No other opinions matter. And it is 1000 % Goebbels and genocidal to say we can specifically dismiss what Palestinians say, simply because they are Palestinian. That is the definition of bigotry, and racism, and apartheid, and genocide. It is what you say every time you open your mouth. And it is completely consistent with your dogma that we tried very hard not to kill Palestinian women and children. But, after all, they are Palestinian. What were we supposed to do? Why are you so cruel? What are you so hateful? Why are you for genocide? Quote
EmmetK Posted November 19 Author Posted November 19 Of course, I don't bother reading anything you have to say, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Jews or Israel. Every one of your posts reek of your vile antis-Semitism. From your referring to Jews as "Jew Murderers" and "Jew Vermin", which earned you a suspension on the other site, to your referencing Mondoweiss and the Electronic Intifada (the name Intifada itself is a clarion call for the murder of Jews in their homeland) two vile Jew-hating sites, to calling the Israeli response to the October 7th massacre "genocide". Every mainstream democrat has denounced that term. In 2 months, Bibi will finally be unshackled, and Israel will do what it has to do to find the hostages, and defeat Hama, Hexbollah, and the other terrorists. How are your political instincts these days? Lol. TRUMP2024 MAGA stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 4 hours ago, EmmetK said: I don't bother reading anything you AMERICAN JEWS, PALESTINIANS, THE UN, AND LOTS OF NATIONS have to say, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Jews or Israel Of course not. You completely dismiss what younger American Jews say. Let alone Palestinians. Duh! The very fact that they are Palestinian disqualifies them from expressing concerns about the mass slaughter of their women and children. No, there is absolutely nothing genocidal about that. You could give a flying fuck what younger American Jews think. You are close-minded, and clearly expressing your close-minded pro-Genocide views right now. You have no interest whatsoever in what half of younger American Jews think. You just want to cling to your close-minded belief in genocide. And attack anyone who does not support your opinion as "Jew-hating". Including about half of younger American Jews. Why do you think half of younger American Jews are "Jew-hating"? Because I think you are wrong. I think they are deeply offended when they hear your guy, Trump, call people VERMIN. Because they are 1000 % clear about who said that word in the 20th Century, and what it meant for Jews. But instead of being honest and just saying, "Yes. I am for genocide against Palestinians," you do a very poor and cheap impersonation of Roy Cohn. Turn my words around and accuse me of being anti-Semitic when I'm attacking anti-Semitic language. It fits. You've always been the cheap, close-minded clown anyway. Why do you attack about half of younger American Jews who express these views? It's all right here. A nice 39 page analysis of American Jewish opinion by the Jewish Electoral Institute. Which you, a pro-Genocide Jew, can't be bothered reading. You are close minded and hateful. You do not want your support for genocide challenged by anyone. Why are you so cruel? Why don't you speak out against Trump calling people VERMIN? When he said it, he was not attacking the use of the word. He was using the word to say PEOPLE are VERMIN. Why do you support Trump using what is arguably the most anti-Semitic word in history against people? 4 hours ago, EmmetK said: In 2 months, Bibi will finally be unshackled NO! NO! NO! I WILL NOT READ FACTS! I WANT TO BE CLOSE MINDED! WHEN BIBI THE BABY KILLER IS UNSHACKLED AND KILLS MANY MORE PALESTIANIAN WOMEN AND CHILDREN, IT IS ALWAYS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I AM ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO BEING A PRO-GENOCIDE JEW! Quote
Members Suckrates Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 @stevenkesslar, WHY do you keep falling for and caving into the Antagonism of our resident Trump press secretary EmmetK ? I am starting to believe you enjoy the back and forth sparring with a person that is NEVER gonna agree with you on anything sensical OR factual, or concede to the notion that Trump is anything but a GOD... You spend so much time composing thoughtful, fact based posts, only to them mocked, dismissed, and demeaned. All the time you spend is time you will never get back, and could be better spent and more productive on other things or people. We are looking forward to 4 years of THIS. Is this really how you want to spend it, asking Trumps resident mouthpiece "why are you so cruel" ?, When you already KNOW the answer ? Move on and perhaps spend your valuable time on developing ways we can all fight back against the hateful and dangerous Trump attack. I am not, and would never criticize you, but am simply trying to make you see that your good will and common sense is "wasted" on broken, unredeemable and complicit people. 😘 Quote
EmmetK Posted November 19 Author Posted November 19 37 minutes ago, Suckrates said: We are looking forward to 4 years of THIS. 4 years of making America SAFER.... 4 years of making America RICHER... 4 years of making America GREATER... Still time to jump on the Trump train and join his multi-ethnic, multi-racial coalition. Join Joe and Mika in the caboose. ALL ABOOOOOOOOoOOARD! TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 1 hour ago, Suckrates said: @stevenkesslar, WHY do you keep falling for and caving into the Antagonism of our resident Trump press secretary EmmetK ? Because I am selfish, and I am learning new things. I'll take the issue at hand. I've been familiar with the fact that polls show most Palestinians and a significant majority of Israeli Jews believe Israel is an apartheid state for a long time. But I had never bothered to research what American Jews say about these issues before. It turns out most American Jews are actually like the American Jews I know, and have known. Liberals, basically. They voted for Harris. They hold Bibi The Baby Killer in contempt. And they recognize that what Bibi is doing is undermining the long-term legitimacy of Israel. I'd actually argue that the American Jews who are full on "go Bibi, go" and "kill, Bibi, kill" are anti-Israel. That's just a fact. The Democratic Party for my whole life has essentially been pro-Israel. If I go back to 2000 or so I was saying I want Arafat to burn in hell forever. Because he turned down the best deal for peace Israel was ever going to get, offered thanks to Clinton and Israeli Labor's last Prime Minister. So I have now updated myself to the 2024 view of Israel, and how American Jews feel about it. Young American Jews look at Israel and often see racism, apartheid, and genocide. And that's Jews speaking. When you get to non-Jews, it gets far worse. It helped cost Harris the state of Michigan. And it just gets much worse now. The nice thing in a way is that now that Trump will unshackle Bibi The Baby Killer, opposition to Bibi The Baby Killer does not get confused with opposition to Harris or Biden anymore. They are gone, thanks in part to Bibi The Baby Killer. It's a tragedy, both for Jews and Palestinians, I think. And it is about to get much, much worse. And @EmmetKruelty loves the genocide. He can't wait for Bibi The Killer to be unleashed. Kill, Bibi, kill. I could give a shit what @EmmetKruelty says, or does. He's sick and cruel. Because he loves expressing his cruelest thoughts online. So he's a cruel loser. Trump won a very important election. Now @EmmetKruelty wants as much cruelty and genocide as possible. He's our very own Roy Cohn. A Gay and Jew who looks down on Gays and Jews, and will throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. I can live with that. I assume he can, too. What matters to me is I did what I could, and sent money to a lot of Democrats who lost, starting with Harris and ending with Will Rollins. That's what mattered. Not anything said here. I'm proud of the fact that I sent money to losers. I guess I could say maybe I would feel better if I sent the money to Gallego and Slotkin, rather than Tester and Brown and Rollins. But I intentionally targeted the people I thought needed the money the most. Since the first two barely won, and the latter three I sent money to lost, I think my decisions were sound. I thought about going door knocking for Rollins, who is right next door to my district. Right or wrong, I decided this was going to be a wave election. Either Harris would win in a wave, which is what I incorrectly thought was likely. Or she would lose in a wave, which she did. Rollins lost by enough that I don't think any number of volunteers would have helped. That said, it was not a big wave. And it was mostly aimed at Harris, standing in for Biden. I think Never Trump Republican Mike Murphy's idea of a "wall of lava" coming at her - inflation and higher costs - was exactly right. But there is massive evidence that the Democratic ground game in Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada - and almost Pennsylvania - put four Democratic Senators over the top. In the long run, that's what matters. If there is anyone who set the model for how a Democrat runs and wins with the support of the Latino working class, it is Ruben Gallego. By sending more money to Harris than anyone else, I helped fund the ground game in all those swing states. I'm proud of that. I'm proud of what Harris did. If she runs for Guv, I look forward to voting for her. To sum up, this forum has nothing to do with the real world. I view it as a place where I can write shit and learn things. If anyone else learns something, great. If it's boring as shit, great. Don't read it. I assume few if any people do. I'm fine with that. Mostly, what people like to do here is post JPGs about the smelly shitty Trump train, or some funny joke about the stupid shit Trump said today. Great! @EmmetKruelty mostly likes to vent his cruelty and extreme views. Great! So I don't feel like I am lowering the standards by trying to learn some new things and be thoughtful. Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 1 hour ago, EmmetK said: multi-ethnic, multi-racial coalition. The multi-ethnic, multi-racial House Republican leadership met today. Their #1 priority is shocking. Wait for it .........................................................continuing the Trump tax cuts for BILLIONAIRES! How does this build the Republican's multi-ethnic, multi-racial coalition? Where is the poll saying Latino men and women voted for MORE TRUMP TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES! ALL ABOOOOOOOOoOOARD! TRUMP2024 MAGA TAX CUTS FOR (OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE) BILLIONAIRES CUT SOCIAL PROGRAMS THAT HELP LATINO MEN CUT SOCIAL PROGRAMS THAT HELP LATINO WOMEN CUT SOCIAL AND HEALTH PROGRAM THAT HELP BLACK MEN CUT SOCIAL AND HEALTH PROGRAMS THAT HELP BLACK WOMEN THIS IS WHO AMERICA IS! JUMP ON BOARD! MAKE BILLIIONARES RICH AGAIN! The Trump landslide keeps getting bigger! He's now gone from 50.0 % of the vote, to 49.9 %, and 1.7 % more than Harris got. Sooner it will be even bigger: like a 1.5 % margin. That is a massive landslide. Far bigger than the Obama landslide in 2008, or the Reagan landslides in 1984 or 1980, or the Nixon landslide in 1972. Everyone in America is screaming, "Free Elon Musk! Let him speak! Cut his taxes" Join this landslide victory now, before YOU are crushed. Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 10 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: Quote
EmmetK Posted November 19 Author Posted November 19 Bringing this thread full circle, away from the Mondoweiss/Electronic Intifada reading blowhard with the political instincts of a camel.. back to the OP's topic of Elise Stefanik, President Trump's enforcer at the UN. Elise Stefanik posts a daily count on her X (formerly Twitter) account on the days the 100+ Israeli (including 5 Americans) are being held hostage. We all know where Sterfanik's heart lies when it comes to the middle east. Stefanik will shake things up at the UN like no other US Ambassador has done before. I can't think of a better spokesman at that cesspool to promote American values and Trump's "America First" policy then Stefanik. Also worth noting is that the UN Ambassador will be in the Trump cabinet and attend regular cabinet meetings. ALL ABOOOOOOOARD! TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 44 minutes ago, EmmetK said: away from the Mondoweiss/Electronic Intifada reading blowhard with the political instincts of a camel.. Why are you denying that about half of American Jews believe you support racism, and/or apartheid, and or genocide? Why do you explain away your support for genocide by arguing that the only Palestinian voices around are extremists or terrorists? So therefore we really don't have to worry about Palestinians. Palestinians inherently disqualify themselves, both from having a voice and having a life, because they are Palestinian. You really don't care that this ideology of genocide is exactly what Goebbels said. The voices and lives of Jews don't matter, precisely because they are Jews. You are spouting Goebbels quality hatred. And you really could give a shit. Why are you so cruel? Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted November 19 Members Posted November 19 57 minutes ago, EmmetK said: Day 409 Death 43,000. Let's keep track of Bibi The Baby Killer's death count as well, and see what the woman and child death toll looks like 100 or 409 days from now. You are literally salivating in your pit bull, Roy Cohn heart. Bibi The Baby Killer is going to be unshackled! It's just fucking awesome! This Palestinian terrorist deserved to die. And Bibi The Baby Killer tried very hard not to kill her before he planned to kill her. Terrorist! Why are you for genocide? Why are you for explaining away the death of Palestinian children? Why do you look forward to killing children? Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted November 19 Posted November 19 54 minutes ago, EmmetK said: Bringing this thread full circle, away from the Mondoweiss/Electronic Intifada reading blowhard with the political instincts of a camel.. back to the OP's topic of Elise Stefanik, President Trump's enforcer at the UN. Elise Stefanik posts a daily count on her X (formerly Twitter) account on the days the 100+ Israeli (including 5 Americans) are being held hostage. We all know where Sterfanik's heart lies when it comes to the middle east. Stefanik will shake things up at the UN like no other US Ambassador has done before. I can't think of a better spokesman at that cesspool to promote American values and Trump's "America First" policy then Stefanik. Also worth noting is that the UN Ambassador will be in the Trump cabinet and attend regular cabinet meetings. ALL ABOOOOOOOARD! TRUMP2024 MAGA Maybe she should be talking to Bibi and tell him to do his job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bibi has the hostages blood on his hands!! stevenkesslar 1 Quote
EmmetK Posted November 20 Author Posted November 20 12 hours ago, Bingo T Dog said: Maybe she should be talking to Bibi and tell him to do his job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bibi has the hostages blood on his hands!! This take-down interrogation propelled Elise Stefanik to the national spotlight, and forced the Harvard President to resign. Elise Stefanik will be on the GOP ticket in one way or another in 2028. ALL ABOOOOOOOOOOOARD! TRUMP2028 MAGA Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted November 20 Posted November 20 2 hours ago, EmmetK said: This take-down interrogation propelled Elise Stefanik to the national spotlight, and forced the Harvard President to resign. Elise Stefanik will be on the GOP ticket in one way or another in 2028. ALL ABOOOOOOOOOOOARD! TRUMP2028 MAGA She should be as forceful with Bibi. Quote
