Call him Mr. President

[Stable Genius]

[EmmetK]

Did you expect trump appointments to be guided by DEI and identity politics like Biden's appointments?

Secretary Pete Buttigieg — his only qualifications for the job was a failed presidential campaign, time spent as a university-town mayor, and that he was gay.

 

 

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor. A total political hack. He worked as counsel to Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., then an adviser to Hillary Clinton.  His biggest national security blunder was lying about the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, falsely claiming that the "Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades" days before Hamas killed at least 1,200 Israelis in a vicious attack.
He pushed of the "Russia collusion hoax" as part of the Clinton campaign and his role in her State Department office amid the Benghazi cover-up.

 

Sam Brinton, Depart of Energy official who was arrested multiple times for baggage theft at airports. ZERO qualifications except that he/she/they/it identifies as non-binary.

 

Tyler Cherry, who worked in both the Biden White House and the Department of Interior, was hired and promoted despite several social media posts comparing police to "slave patrols," promoting conspiracies about Russia colluding with Trump and supporting the anti-Israel movement. 

I could go on and on..
Xavier Becerra, HHS Secretary - not a doctor, he’s a lawyer.
Jared Bernstein, Chair of Council of Economic Advisors - not an economist, Bachelor’s degree in music, masters in sociology.

Whomever is ultimately confirmed by the Senate, as a group they will be far more qualified for their positions than the Dementia Joe appointments.

ALL ABOARD!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

 

 

[stevenkesslar]

10 hours ago, EmmetK said:

Maybe the dems will learn that ... calling their opponent a racist, misogynist, Nazi, grandma-killer, transphobe, bigot, and fascist is not a recipe for victory.

Quote

The American voter is not stupid.

I give you credit.   You tried.  You really tried.

You are very reliable about bringing two things to this forum:   cruelty, and untruthfulness.

On this post, though, it seems like you actually tried to be truthful. American voters are definitely not stupid.  And your general point is that all these concerns about Trump being extreme and authoritarian went nowhere.

I don't recall anyone saying Trump killed his Grandma.  But generally you're right that people said most of those things.  Mostly people who were Trump's Chief of Staff, or Cabinet members, or generals who worked with him.  Your point is:  nuthin to see here.  Didn't work. Move on and STFU.

I mean, honest guys who have sex with children and brag about it like Matt Gaetz will tell you the truth.  Nuthin to worry about here.  Several Jewish friends were put off by the notion that Trump wants loyal generals like Hitler had.  But they're not a pro-Genocide Jew like you are.  So what do they know?  Nuthin to worry about at all.

But back to those smart voters.  I know you don't think right wing media like Fox News and their partnership with Votecast is reliable.   But here is what they say:

It turns out a majority of people were concerned about the future of democracy, and Trump's specific and stated goal to lead the US in an authoritarian direction.   (He said "dictator", but who takes that literally?)   

The interesting question is this.  For people who were somewhat concerned about democracy and Trump's authoritarian ambitions, but didn't see it as the most important factor, what was more important?  Not that Fox News can be trusted, but here is what they say:

 

Count on the American voter, who is not stupid.  For a lot of working class and low-income people, including many Latinos and some Blacks, the price of gas and groceries came first.   Never Trump Republican Mike Murphy was right.  There was a "wall of lava" coming hard at old Joe Biden.  Getting him out of the way helped.   Thanks, Nancy!  Harris almost outran it. 

But being the cruel guy you are, isn't is just glorious and joyful that all those Black women who wanted a role model got Trump instead?  That is surely something to celebrate!  We just can never be cruel enough!  Let's celebrate!

The smart American voter wanted lower grocery prices, and instead got Matt Gaetz.  Isn't it glorious? Isn't it fun?  Every Mom wants an AG who brags about having sex with her daughter! Rejoice!  On board the Trump Train!  Woo hoo!

 

Those two poll questions are from the CNN exit poll.   I find them a little more suspect than Fox/Votecast, in part because the Votecast results on the same question are slightly different.   But the CNN poll matches with the RCP poll averages, which turned out to be very close to the actual result. 

What RCP showed is that Harris climbed into a 2 point lead against Trump in late September.  Her biggest jump was in the week after the debate where she decimated Trump for being the felon, rapist, and wannabe dictator he is.  Several smart Republican consultants have said the strategic error Harris made is that stopped doing what worked well - attacking Trump - and shifted to selling her view of the economy.  Which they argue was doomed to fail because of how people felt about high prices.

What we also know is that in late October Trump closed the gap.  So something shifted.  And in a race where Trump will get less than 50 % of the vote, that shift was probably decisive.

So this may be less about the "smart" American voter, and more about the low information first time voter.  Those CNN exit polls would certainly help explain why there was a shift in the last few weeks of the election in the RCP polls.  It also makes sense that attacking Trump for what he did in his first term might not have resonated for young men and women who were 12 when Trump was elected in 2016.   

We'll know more when the more sophisticated voter file analysis emerges.   But it makes perfect sense that low information voters, many of whom were likely young and/or Latino, and who don't own stocks and homes, voted their pocketbook and gave Trump a chance.   

I'm sure what they were most hoping for was Matt Gaetz.  An AG that had sex with children.  And a moral worm of a House Speaker who now wants to cover it up.

There is a good alternative theory.   Which is that what Harris lacked after taking Trump down in September was a second act, in which she convinced voters she was a working class gal with a working class agenda.  Whether that is true or not, I'm hoping Democrats will act like it is true.  The job at hand is figuring out how to deliver a working class agenda in a working class voice in 2026 and 2028.   

Not that voters care about that, of course.  What they are really hoping for is that Trump will be an authoritarian who trashes democracy.  And, as a bonus, does a recess appointment of an AG who has sex with children.

All on board the Trump Train!  Ain't it glorious!  Choo Choo!

 

[EmmetK]

2 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

I give you credit.   You tried.  You really tried.

You are very reliable about bringing two things to this forum:   cruelty, and untruthfulness.

On this post, though, it seems like you actually tried to be truthful. American voters are definitely not stupid.  And your general point is that all these concerns about Trump being extreme and authoritarian went nowhere.

I don't recall anyone saying Trump killed his Grandma.  But generally you're right that people said most of those things.  Mostly people who were Trump's Chief of Staff, or Cabinet members, or generals who worked with him.  Your point is:  nuthin to see here.  Didn't work. Move on and STFU.

I mean, honest guys who have sex with children and brag about it like Matt Gaetz will tell you the truth.  Nuthin to worry about here.  Several Jewish friends were put off by the notion that Trump wants loyal generals like Hitler had.  But they're not a pro-Genocide Jew like you are.  So what do they know?  Nuthin to worry about at all.

But back to those smart voters.  I know you don't think right wing media like Fox News and their partnership with Votecast is reliable.   But here is what they say:

It turns out a majority of people were concerned about the future of democracy, and Trump's specific and stated goal to lead the US in an authoritarian direction.   (He said "dictator", but who takes that literally?)   

The interesting question is this.  For people who were somewhat concerned about democracy and Trump's authoritarian ambitions, but didn't see it as the most important factor, what was more important?  Not that Fox News can be trusted, but here is what they say:

 

Count on the American voter, who is not stupid.  For a lot of working class and low-income people, including many Latinos and some Blacks, the price of gas and groceries came first.   Never Trump Republican Mike Murphy was right.  There was a "wall of lava" coming hard at old Joe Biden.  Getting him out of the way helped.   Thanks, Nancy!  Harris almost outran it. 

But being the cruel guy you are, isn't is just glorious and joyful that all those Black women who wanted a role model got Trump instead?  That is surely something to celebrate!  We just can never be cruel enough!  Let's celebrate!

The smart American voter wanted lower grocery prices, and instead got Matt Gaetz.  Isn't it glorious? Isn't it fun?  Every Mom wants an AG who brags about having sex with her daughter! Rejoice!  On board the Trump Train!  Woo hoo!

 

Those two poll questions are from the CNN exit poll.   I find them a little more suspect than Fox/Votecast, in part because the Votecast results on the same question are slightly different.   But the CNN poll matches with the RCP poll averages, which turned out to be very close to the actual result. 

What RCP showed is that Harris climbed into a 2 point lead against Trump in late September.  Her biggest jump was in the week after the debate where she decimated Trump for being the felon, rapist, and wannabe dictator he is.  Several smart Republican consultants have said the strategic error Harris made is that stopped doing what worked well - attacking Trump - and shifted to selling her view of the economy.  Which they argue was doomed to fail because of how people felt about high prices.

What we also know is that in late October Trump closed the gap.  So something shifted.  And in a race where Trump will get less than 50 % of the vote, that shift was probably decisive.

So this may be less about the "smart" American voter, and more about the low information first time voter.  Those CNN exit polls would certainly help explain why there was a shift in the last few weeks of the election in the RCP polls.  It also makes sense that attacking Trump for what he did in his first term might not have resonated for young men and women who were 12 when Trump was elected in 2016.   

We'll know more when the more sophisticated voter file analysis emerges.   But it makes perfect sense that low information voters, many of whom were likely young and/or Latino, and who don't own stocks and homes, voted their pocketbook and gave Trump a chance.   

I'm sure what they were most hoping for was Matt Gaetz.  An AG that had sex with children.  And a moral worm of a House Speaker who now wants to cover it up.

There is a good alternative theory.   Which is that what Harris lacked after taking Trump down in September was a second act, in which she convinced voters she was a working class gal with a working class agenda.  Whether that is true or not, I'm hoping Democrats will act like it is true.  The job at hand is figuring out how to deliver a working class agenda in a working class voice in 2026 and 2028.   

Not that voters care about that, of course.  What they are really hoping for is that Trump will be an authoritarian who trashes democracy.  And, as a bonus, does a recess appointment of an AG who has sex with children.

All on board the Trump Train!  Ain't it glorious!  Choo Choo!

 

Once again trying to bore everyone to death with your endless posts, using those sharp political instincts that were so successful in your election predictions?
Nothing you have to say is worth reading after your complete forecast disaster. I repeat - NOTHING!

And nothing will change the election outcome. President Trump's landslide which carried the House and Senate with him!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Stable Genius]

"You voted red

I voted blue

Why you crying now?

This shit's on YOU!"

[EmmetK]

13 minutes ago, Stable Genius said:

"You voted red

I voted blue

Why you crying now?

This shit's on YOU!"

"You voted blue

I voted red

Why you crying now?

Cause your candidate was brain dead?"

[Suckrates]

 

We MUST all be very vigilant on WHERE we get our information from going forward, because there will NEVER be a truthful statement coming out of the White House or the cabinet for the next 4 years.   Trump will CREATE a media enviornment where everything he does is the BEST and well received, and everybody, all world leaders love and support him, and the courts applaud him.  You will NEVER know of his "fuck-ups" or corruption, unless there are very diligent honest reports, but they will be dealt with quickly and harshly.

All Trumps forthcoming misdeeds will be covered up and any danger or harm facing America will be suppressed, because in Trump world everything he does is PERFECT,  and he fixes it !  

Democrats have been weakened to the point of "uselessness", and not even state Governors will not be able to push back sufficiently to stop Trump from harmful actions.   Blue states will be denied funding and aid, while MAGAts laugh in our faces. 

What HAS to happen is that the MAGA morons have got to start to suffer in some way from Trumps actions and policy.  Only then will they turn on him and create an uprising so powerful to kick his ass out of Power.  But they NEED to be harmed. 

However, the biggest INSULT to America is coming when Trump releases the J6 insurrectionist, I am sure there will be a big parade and celebration of their Tyranny, and a Fuck you finger to the American people.   "WE now OWN the Libs"

[EmmetK]

55 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

We MUST all be very vigilant on WHERE we get our information from going forward, because there will NEVER be a truthful statement coming out of the White House or the cabinet for the next 4 years.   Trump will CREATE a media enviornment where everything he does is the BEST and well received, and everybody, all world leaders love and support him, and the courts applaud him.  You will NEVER know of his "fuck-ups" or corruption, unless there are very diligent honest reports, but they will be dealt with quickly and harshly.

You almost got that right. But it is not the White House you need to worry about getting correct info. It is the fake news media like CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, LA Times, WaPo, Slate, Salon, the New Yorker, msn.com, etc.

All Trumps forthcoming misdeeds will be covered up and any danger or harm facing America will be suppressed, because in Trump world everything he does is PERFECT,  and he fixes it !  

No need for any coverups. There will be no misdeeds. Donald Trump will Make America Great Again. He will lead America into its Golden Age.

Democrats have been weakened to the point of "uselessness"

And that's exactly how it should be, until they learn to stop lying and cheating and act like adults.

What HAS to happen is that the MAGA morons have got to start to suffer in some way from Trumps actions and policy.  Only then will they turn on him and create an uprising so powerful to kick his ass out of Power.  But they NEED to be harmed. 

I am suffering. I have drank so much champagne and attended so many Trump victory parties the last few days, I have put on a few pounds 😶.

However, the biggest INSULT to America is coming when Trump releases the J6 insurrectionist, I am sure there will be a big parade and celebration of their Tyranny, and a Fuck you finger to the American people.   "WE now OWN the Libs"

You may think they are "insurrectionists. The majority of America (note the TRUMP voters) sees them as "patriots", whom Donald Trump has promised to pardon.
And they will be and should be treated as the heroes that they are. Victims of the Deep State.

There are still a few seats left on the MAGA EXPRESS. 
Hop on board or get out of the way.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Suckrates]

 

SHAME on Mika and Joe of Morning Joe for going to Mar-A-Lago this weekend to suck-up to Trump..... They have no more credibility in my eyes as 2 more ass kissers that are trying to SAVE themselves by giving "normalcy" to Trump, after bashing him for years.  They claimed the GOP and Trump supporters were hypocrites, but there are no bigger Hypocrites than Joe and Mika, as Trump converts for self preservation.

SHAME !!!!!!!!!      

[EmmetK]

3 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

SHAME on Mika and Joe of Morning Joe for going to Mar-A-Lago this weekend to suck-up to Trump..... They have no more credibility in my eyes as 2 more ass kissers that are trying to SAVE themselves by giving "normalcy" to Trump.

SHAME !!!!!!!!!      

Didn't Mika say that Trump's MSG campaign event was a NAZI rally?
Didn't Joe and Mika say repeatedly how much they hate Trump?
Didn't Joe and Mika say Trump was a fascist? A Nazi? Hitler?
Why would anyone sit down to lunch at Mar-A-Lago with Hitler?

Either Joe and Mika are total phonies or hypocrites. I vote for hypocrites who are looking for a ratings boost.

Joe and Mika not only think that Trump will save their show, but they haven’t even tried to internalize the damage they and other left wing lunatics cause with their slander. Nazi show at MSG. Really? Is that why Orthodox Jews showed up and were seen laying tefillin there? This hateful rhetoric needs to stop. And it’s mostly on the left. Dare to disagree with the right and you are automatically called a Nazi. No one bothers to inform these hateful morons how hurtful that is to a substantial section of the population. These two and their equally brainless colleagues should hang their heads in shame. Despite Trump’s apparently desire to reach out to the media, I wish them nothing but failure.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Bingo T Dog]

7 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

Didn't Mika say that Trump's MSG campaign event was a NAZI rally?
Didn't Joe and Mika say repeatedly how much they hate Trump?
Didn't Joe and Mika say Trump was a fascist? A Nazi? Hitler?
Why would anyone sit down to lunch at Mar-A-Lago with Hitler?

Either Joe and Mika are total phonies or hypocrites. I vote for hypocrites who are looking for a ratings boost.

Joe and Mika not only think that Trump will save their show, but they haven’t even tried to internalize the damage they and other left wing lunatics cause with their slander. Nazi show at MSG. Really? Is that why Orthodox Jews showed up and were seen laying tefillin there? This hateful rhetoric needs to stop. And it’s mostly on the left. Dare to disagree with the right and you are automatically called a Nazi. No one bothers to inform these hateful morons how hurtful that is to a substantial section of the population. These two and their equally brainless colleagues should hang their heads in shame. Despite Trump’s apparently desire to reach out to the media, I wish them nothing but failure.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

FOX NEWS WAS THE FIRST SUCK-UPS.  TOOK THEM A FEW MINUTES TO GET JEANINE PIRRO AND LAURA INGRAHAM OFF THEIR KNEES BUT IT WAS WORTH IT!

[EmmetK]

4 hours ago, Suckrates said:

 

SHAME on Mika and Joe of Morning Joe for going to Mar-A-Lago this weekend to suck-up to Trump..... They have no more credibility in my eyes as 2 more ass kissers that are trying to SAVE themselves by giving "normalcy" to Trump, after bashing him for years.  They claimed the GOP and Trump supporters were hypocrites, but there are no bigger Hypocrites than Joe and Mika, as Trump converts for self preservation.

SHAME !!!!!!!!!      

Don't worry.

Just because Joe and Mika jumped on the Trump train, doesn't mean there is no room left for you.
If they have seen the light and want to make America great, you should follow their lead.

Still time to buy your ticket for a ride on the MAGA EXPRESS. 
Either get on board or stand on the side. If not, you are at great risk. The Trump train is steaming forward. It takes no prisoners. 
Joe and Mika are now on board. You can sit near them..... or near me.

 

ALL ABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOARD!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

Smooches 🥰

[Suckrates]

 

Joe and Mika, I SPIT on you..... First you groveled, and then you SURRENDERED !........

U R DISGUSTING !

[EmmetK]

27 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

Joe and Mika, I SPIT on you..... First you groveled, and then you SURRENDERED !........

U R DISGUSTING !

 

Awwwwwwwww, Is someone upset because Joe and Mika have bought tickets on the MAGA EXPRESS, and he realizes they are just another two left-wing hypocrites?

Or is someone jealous because Joe and Mika will be attending the HUUUUUUUUUGE New Years bash at Mar-A-Lago, while he is sitting at home drinking cheap champagne watching Anderson Cooper and Kathy Griffin report on the ball dropping in Times Square?

Poor @Suckrates 😌

It's still not too late to join Joe, Mika, and more than half of the country on the Trump train.

ALL ABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOARD!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[EmmetK]

On 11/7/2024 at 11:26 PM, Suckrates said:

 Like I said, They only thing that Trump IS, is a skilled con artist, and YOU were right there, primed to be Conned. . 

Almost 80 million Americans conned? I don't think so.
The only ones conned were those that pulled the lever for Cackling Kamala and Tampon Tim.

ALL ABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOARD!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Suckrates]

Our own Trump ass-licker Emmy is working OVERTIME as Trumps resident publicist to counter EVERY post we make.

In fact I think he may be DRIVING that Trump Train......Choo-choo   !!!!!

But Hey Emmy, get a new map,  that old RED one you keep posting to prove Trump is the reincarnation of God across America is misleading..... He still is only 1.6% more popular than Cackles,  but if you count ALL the people that DIDNT vote, he would be in "negative" territory....

Americans voted for a lower price on eggs, NOT the radical reformation of American government. 

So keep at it, you're doing a Trump approved job here.....

[EmmetK]

The multi-racial, multi-ethnic Trump coalition that propelled him to an electoral landslide victory and brought the House and Senate with him will only grow stronger.

The American voters are fed up with the left-wing woke agenda of the green new deal, open borders, and men in girls bathrooms and in girls sports.

To live like a liberal is to put solar panels on your house, drive an EV, eat only organic food, promote wind mills where it will screw up somebody else's land and property, promote DEI, and kill babies. Because their ultimate goal is fewer people on earth. All of this bullsh--, and much more, is why I am not a liberal! What they don't realize, is that organic cows fart, too!

ALL ABOOOOOOOOOOOOOARD!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Suckrates]

Watch Steve Schmidt tear Joe and Mika apart, and call THEM and their show a Fraud.....Its a bit long but worth the watch and reveal these 2 scumbags for WHO they are !

 

And after Steve destroys them, David Pakman cremates the remains....

 

 

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, Suckrates said:

Watch Steve Schmidt tear Joe and Mika apart, and call THEM and their show a Fraud.....Its a bit long but worth the watch and reveal these 2 scumbags for WHO they are !

 

And after Steve destroys them, David Pakman cremates the remains....

 

 

Okay.

Interesting video.  I watched it all.   Beyond that, I watch Morning Joe regularly, and Steve Schmidt's podcast often.  

One of the useful things about Morning Joe during Joe Biden's era was that Scarborough brought the sensibility of a conservative Republican and former US House member, who was swept to power in the 1994 Republican wave, to an effort to keep Biden in power.  And to keep Trump out. 

So, yes.  Sometimes Joe was too fawning to Biden.  But Scarborough was also the one saying, "This "Defund The Police" stuff will not end well.  This immigration stuff will not end well."  And he was right.  So Scarborough and Schmidt both have credibility to me.  Both being right of center, they anticipated and called out some of the nails in Kamala Harris's coffin on cultural issues.  She tried to fix it.  But it was too little, too late.  And mostly it was just the economy, stupid.

Schmidt really is the pot calling the kettle black on this issue.  I think of him as an Arnold Schwarzenegger Republican, since he managed his successful campaign.  But Trump would call Schmidt a loser, for managing John McCain's 2008 train wreck. The part of the train wreck that Schmidt can never distance himself from is Sarah Palin.  Who was chosen with Schmidt's blessing, and perhaps encouragement, to be a sort of Trump before Trump.  Then Schmidt and his buddy Nicolle Wallace flipped completely, threw their own decisions under the bus, presented themselves as the honorable ones after working for W. and McCain and Palin, and Wallace signed a contract with MSNBC.  So this is the guy preaching to us about not sucking up to power?

My reaction is partly - duh!  Of course Scarborough, Brzezinski, Schmidt, and Wallace are all going to suck up to power.  It is who they are.  It is what they do.  Steve feels like the pot calling the kettle black.

One phrase stuck out for me as a Morning Joe and MSNBC watcher.   Schmidt said Morning Joe did not "explicate the danger" of Trumpism, which is what they are supposed to do.  That is rich!  I can make a great argument that explicating the danger of Trump is the only thing Morning Joe did for the last year.  And Schmidt helped them do it. 

I could take it a step further and argue that Morning Joe is an example of why this effort to demonize Trump backfired.  But I don't believe that.  I think MSNBC is a bubble, which I choose to be part of, just like Fox is a bubble.  I don't think Trump supporters give a shit about MSNBC.  And I don't think anything Joe and Mika did backfired. 

Had Democrats listened to them a few years ago and changed course on immigration and some of the other cultural hot buttons, it would have made Harris's effort to quickly pivot to the center easier.  But, again, it was the economy, stupid.  Ron Brownstein said he's not sure any of these culture war issues like immigration and transgender prisoners really made that much of a difference.  He may be right.  But at the very least, it didn't help Harris.  It did help Trump's commercials define her as too far out there.

The other thing watching Schmidt brings to mind is what may be the central strategic question of 2024:  did Harris fuck up by NOT talking about the economy enough, or by not demonizing Trump enough?  

I think most people would say Harris fucked up by not talking about the economy enough.  But in that Steve Schmidt video above Republican pollster Greg Strimple gives a great two minute explanation of why Harris is going to lose.  This is from 21:00 to 23:00 in the discussion.  I think he hit the nail on the head.

His argument is that undecided voters were not completely undecided.  The polling showed that if they decided on the economy, they would end up voting for Trump.  Which is what I think actually happened.  If they voted on Trump's insanity, they would vote for Harris. 

Strimple argues Harris's "massive strategic error" was that she won the debate and gained in the polls by focusing on Trump's insanity.  He argues she should have stayed on that all through election day.  Instead, when she talked more about her "opportunity economy", she froze in the polls, and Trump gained, and Harris actually started to decline a little.  Strimple says Harris needed to keep running the messages demonizing Trump that worked very well in September, but that she lost control of in October.  I agree with him.  When she was talking about the economy, she was playing on Trump's turf.  The election results made that clear.  Trump won on the economy.

I'm not saying Harris should have ignored the economy,   Of course not.  My point is I think Strimple's polls and focus groups are right.  Her path to victory had to be making the whole election about how people don't want more Trump insanity.  Strimple is not alone.  Bill Clinton strategist Doug Sosnik was saying the exact same thing a year ago.  If Biden lets Trump make the economy the issue, Trump wins.  If he can make it about whether America wants more crazy, Biden wins.  Biden was useless, as it turned out, because the issue actually became whether we want more senile Biden. 

It's now clear Harris came into the campaign with some huge liabilities that were not of her own making.  Biden and the economy were both huge headwinds.  You can blame immigration partly on her.  But not Biden's age, or inflation.

Back to Morning Joe.  The tone shift the day of the election and the day after was remarkable.

Morning Joe was "on message" on Election Day, if you believe Steve Schmidt and Greg Strimple are correct.  They completely demonized Trump.  It was all about the Nazi-like MSG rally, the deranged comments about guns pointed at Liz Cheney, and Trump Insanity.  If the point was to focus voters on "You don't want more Trump insanity" and "You don't want more Trump crazy", they did their job.   

I think the problem is the young/Latino/Black voters who either didn't vote, or flipped to Trump, were not listening to Joe and Mika.  They were listening to Joe Rogan.  Or some other podcaster.  Or some tweet they were getting from the Trump campaign about immigrants raping and killing and pissing in the street.  Or they didn't need any of that.  No one needed to explain to them that their rent is too fucking high, they can't afford to buy a home, they are not better off than four years ago, and so fuck it.  I won't vote.  Or I will vote for Trump.  If the Democrats want my vote, they have to actually do something for me. 

All the evidence so far suggests that is where a lot of young/Latino/Black voters were at.  With Blacks it was mostly not voting.  With Latinos it was both not voting, and lots of votes flipping to Trump.  Meanwhile Team Trump seems like they did a good job getting at least some low propensity voters to vote.  But whoever this group is, meaning the Latinos who did not vote and the infrequent voters who voted for Trump, I am almost certain they do not know, or give a flying fuck, who Joe or Mika or Steve Schmidt are.  Joe and Mika and Steve all did a good job warning people about More Trump Insanity.  It simply was not enough.

More than anything, I think it was the economy, stupid.  That video was a lot of wandering around Steve Scgnmidt's brain.  But the simple thing the analysis keeps coming back to is that lots of young/Latino/Black voters who are working class were just pissed about the economy.

By the day after the election, on Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough was already starting his pivot.  There was a lot of discussion about Trump's stunning victory.  You could actually see the difference in people's faces.  Joe in particular, a total political whore, had his grin on, and was already into explaining why America voted for Trump.  Everyone else, including Mika, Jonathon Lemire, Claire McCaskill, looked glum.  Their face said, "WTF?  How did America vote for the guy we demonized just yesterday?"  But it did feel like two different Joe Scarboroughs. He made no attempt to reconcile the Maybe Trump Friendly Joe with the Demonize Trump Joe we saw the day before.

I don't think the world turns on whether Joe and Mika go to Mar A Lago.  Of course they are going to suck up to power.  Duh!  I think Scarborough, like Trump, has feral animal-like survival instincts.  He is probably thinking we need to STFU and give Trump all the rope he needs to hang himself, like he did last time.  If that is what Joe and Mika are thinking, they are probably right.

 

 

 

[Suckrates]

22 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

Okay.

Interesting video.  I watched it all.   Beyond that, I watch Morning Joe regularly, and Steve Schmidt's podcast often.  

One of the useful things about Morning Joe during Joe Biden's era was that Scarborough brought the sensibility of a conservative Republican and former US House member, who was swept to power in the 1994 Republican wave, to an effort to keep Biden in power.  And to keep Trump out. 

So, yes.  Sometimes Joe was too fawning to Biden.  But Scarborough was also the one saying, "This "Defund The Police" stuff will not end well.  This immigration stuff will not end well."  And he was right.  So Scarborough and Schmidt both have credibility to me.  Both being right of center, they anticipated and called out some of the nails in Kamala Harris's coffin on cultural issues.  She tried to fix it.  But it was too little, too late.  And mostly it was just the economy, stupid.

Schmidt really is the pot calling the kettle black on this issue.  I think of him as an Arnold Schwarzenegger Republican, since he managed his successful campaign.  But Trump would call Schmidt a loser, for managing John McCain's 2008 train wreck. The part of the train wreck that Schmidt can never distance himself from is Sarah Palin.  Who was chosen with Schmidt's blessing, and perhaps encouragement, to be a sort of Trump before Trump.  Then Schmidt and his buddy Nicolle Wallace flipped completely, threw their own decisions under the bus, presented themselves as the honorable ones after working for W. and McCain and Palin, and Wallace signed a contract with MSNBC.  So this is the guy preaching to us about not sucking up to power?

My reaction is partly - duh!  Of course Scarborough, Brzezinski, Schmidt, and Wallace are all going to suck up to power.  It is who they are.  It is what they do.  Steve feels like the pot calling the kettle black.

One phrase stuck out for me as a Morning Joe and MSNBC watcher.   Schmidt said Morning Joe did not "explicate the danger" of Trumpism, which is what they are supposed to do.  That is rich!  I can make a great argument that explicating the danger of Trump is the only thing Morning Joe did for the last year.  And Schmidt helped them do it. 

I could take it a step further and argue that Morning Joe is an example of why this effort to demonize Trump backfired.  But I don't believe that.  I think MSNBC is a bubble, which I choose to be part of, just like Fox is a bubble.  I don't think Trump supporters give a shit about MSNBC.  And I don't think anything Joe and Mika did backfired. 

Had Democrats listened to them a few years ago and changed course on immigration and some of the other cultural hot buttons, it would have made Harris's effort to quickly pivot to the center easier.  But, again, it was the economy, stupid.  Ron Brownstein said he's not sure any of these culture war issues like immigration and transgender prisoners really made that much of a difference.  He may be right.  But at the very least, it didn't help Harris.  It did help Trump's commercials define her as too far out there.

The other thing watching Schmidt brings to mind is what may be the central strategic question of 2024:  did Harris fuck up by NOT talking about the economy enough, or by not demonizing Trump enough?  

I think most people would say Harris fucked up by not talking about the economy enough.  But in that Steve Schmidt video above Republican pollster Greg Strimple gives a great two minute explanation of why Harris is going to lose.  This is from 21:00 to 23:00 in the discussion.  I think he hit the nail on the head.

His argument is that undecided voters were not completely undecided.  The polling showed that if they decided on the economy, they would end up voting for Trump.  Which is what I think actually happened.  If they voted on Trump's insanity, they would vote for Harris. 

Strimple argues Harris's "massive strategic error" was that she won the debate and gained in the polls by focusing on Trump's insanity.  He argues she should have stayed on that all through election day.  Instead, when she talked more about her "opportunity economy", she froze in the polls, and Trump gained, and Harris actually started to decline a little.  Strimple says Harris needed to keep running the messages demonizing Trump that worked very well in September, but that she lost control of in October.  I agree with him.  When she was talking about the economy, she was playing on Trump's turf.  The election results made that clear.  Trump won on the economy.

I'm not saying Harris should have ignored the economy,   Of course not.  My point is I think Strimple's polls and focus groups are right.  Her path to victory had to be making the whole election about how people don't want more Trump insanity.  Strimple is not alone.  Bill Clinton strategist Doug Sosnik was saying the exact same thing a year ago.  If Biden lets Trump make the economy the issue, Trump wins.  If he can make it about whether America wants more crazy, Biden wins.  Biden was useless, as it turned out, because the issue actually became whether we want more senile Biden. 

It's now clear Harris came into the campaign with some huge liabilities that were not of her own making.  Biden and the economy were both huge headwinds.  You can blame immigration partly on her.  But not Biden's age, or inflation.

Back to Morning Joe.  The tone shift the day of the election and the day after was remarkable.

Morning Joe was "on message" on Election Day, if you believe Steve Schmidt and Greg Strimple are correct.  They completely demonized Trump.  It was all about the Nazi-like MSG rally, the deranged comments about guns pointed at Liz Cheney, and Trump Insanity.  If the point was to focus voters on "You don't want more Trump insanity" and "You don't want more Trump crazy", they did their job.   

I think the problem is the young/Latino/Black voters who either didn't vote, or flipped to Trump, were not listening to Joe and Mika.  They were listening to Joe Rogan.  Or some other podcaster.  Or some tweet they were getting from the Trump campaign about immigrants raping and killing and pissing in the street.  Or they didn't need any of that.  No one needed to explain to them that their rent is too fucking high, they can't afford to buy a home, they are not better off than four years ago, and so fuck it.  I won't vote.  Or I will vote for Trump.  If the Democrats want my vote, they have to actually do something for me. 

All the evidence so far suggests that is where a lot of young/Latino/Black voters were at.  With Blacks it was mostly not voting.  With Latinos it was both not voting, and lots of votes flipping to Trump.  Meanwhile Team Trump seems like they did a good job getting at least some low propensity voters to vote.  But whoever this group is, meaning the Latinos who did not vote and the infrequent voters who voted for Trump, I am almost certain they do not know, or give a flying fuck, who Joe or Mika or Steve Schmidt are.  Joe and Mika and Steve all did a good job warning people about More Trump Insanity.  It simply was not enough.

More than anything, I think it was the economy, stupid.  That video was a lot of wandering around Steve Scgnmidt's brain.  But the simple thing the analysis keeps coming back to is that lots of young/Latino/Black voters who are working class were just pissed about the economy.

By the day after the election, on Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough was already starting his pivot.  There was a lot of discussion about Trump's stunning victory.  You could actually see the difference in people's faces.  Joe in particular, a total political whore, had his grin on, and was already into explaining why America voted for Trump.  Everyone else, including Mika, Jonathon Lemire, Claire McCaskill, looked glum.  Their face said, "WTF?  How did America vote for the guy we demonized just yesterday?"  But it did feel like two different Joe Scarboroughs. He made no attempt to reconcile the Maybe Trump Friendly Joe with the Demonize Trump Joe we saw the day before.

I don't think the world turns on whether Joe and Mika go to Mar A Lago.  Of course they are going to suck up to power.  Duh!  I think Scarborough, like Trump, has feral animal-like survival instincts.  He is probably thinking we need to STFU and give Trump all the rope he needs to hang himself, like he did last time.  If that is what Joe and Mika are thinking, they are probably right.

 

 

 

 

I dont have the time, energy or brain power to Dissect every persons actions and motivations for them. But I DID read your entire post.   All I know that that some people just DISAPPOINT you sometimes because you thought they might be different, but then you see they are ALL the same self-indulgent, self serving Predators...  It discounts everything you believed they were.  Its just disappointing !  

And going forward I doubt that we can depend on hearing ANY damaging TRUTH about Trump from Joe and Mika, so for me, they no longer serve any purpose. 

[EmmetK]

On 11/23/2024 at 1:45 PM, Suckrates said:

 

Americans voted for a lower price on eggs, NOT the radical reformation of American government. 

 

The new multi-racial and multi-ethnic Trump coalition that will guide this country for generations to come gave President Trump a mandate to shake things up and disrupt the status quo:

SEAL the border, deport illegals, lower the crime, NO MORE men in girls bathrooms and girls sports, NO MORE tampons in boys bathrooms, NO MORE taxpayer funded sex changes for trans federal inmates, NO MORE DEI, NO more inflation, etc.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[stevenkesslar]

So this post is a shout out to Claire McCaskill. 

I adore her.  She is a regular on Morning Joe, and MSNBC.  If Democrats ever want a 60 seat Senate majority, which requires winning in states like Missouri, they should listen to Claire McCaskill more.

In terms of this Joe Scarborough/Steve Schmidt thing, Claire was right in the middle of that.  Joe and Steve sound like arrogant guys who of course suck up to power, and can pivot on a dime.  Sometimes not very gracefully.  Claire is a canny political operator who managed to survive in Missouri until the testicle vote/Kavanaugh took her out in 2018. 

Had she and Ruben Gallego been in the US Senate in 2020, instead of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema - two massive money sucking corporate whores - Biden and Harris could have gotten a lot more done.  That might have give more young/Latino/Black voters a reason to vote for either or them.

Claire McCaskill captured both the heart of the election, and the confusion about it, for me.

On Election Day morning, she was one of the crew demonizing Trump, and predicting his demise.  This was right after Selzer's Iowa poll, which of course was wildly wrong.  So the feeling in the air was that everything was turning against Trump.  McCaskill talked about how last minute swing voters are NOT people who decide on issues.  She said they are "feel" voters who vote based on how the candidates feel to them.  And Trump had just made this orgy of unhinged comments about guns pointed at faces and garbage.  So she seemed certain he was going to lose.

Fast forward to two days or so later when she is on MSNBC with ..................... wait for  it ........................ former Palin handler and W. fan girl Nicole Wallace.  McCaskill said maybe Trump understands American voters better than Democrats do.  It was an interesting and sad turn.  The very "feel" things that she thought were certain to doom Trump a few days earlier now seemed to be the reasons why he is winning.

That's been a theme lately, especially among Black talking heads on MSNBC, or anywhere.  Like, "Okay.  So now we know.  This is who America is.  Or who America wants to be. Honestly, it's not surprising.  But we're still shocked."  All these emotional reactions go to why Mark Halperin thinks we will now have the biggest mental health crisis in US history, because Democrats won't know how to cope.  I think that is funny, and insulting.  Its Halperin being condescending.

Regardless, McCaskill actually started to cry on TV.  She knows Harris from her Senate days.  She obviously likes her, and feels Kamala is a good person who fought hard and should have won.  So that moment more than any other really did capture my emotions.  I wanted to just hug Claire and cry with her.  But McCaskill is also tough as nails.  She knows better than most how to stand back up and get on with it.

We all need to process our emotions.  So now we get to go from joy to sorrow, for a while.  Several wise people are saying this is Trump at the height of his power.  I think that is probably right.  Joe and Mika will play nice with him.  And it also means Democrats are at the depth of our sorrow.  But Trump won 49.9 % of the vote.  His overreach is already clear with Gaetz and Hegseth.  There is no mandate for rape and sex with children.

So we are getting the same Trump insanity and Trump crazy we had and fired in 2020.  The smart girls in the room will figure why the fuck young/Latino/Black voters did what they did, and fix it.  That is what Claire would do.
 

 

[stevenkesslar]

19 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

NO MORE men in girls bathrooms and girls sports, NO MORE tampons in boys bathrooms, NO MORE taxpayer funded sex changes for trans federal inmates,

A gay Jew who loves to attack The Gays and The Liberal Jews.  

Seriously, did they somehow clone Roy's DNA?   Or can you simply teach that kind of feral cruelty and hate and dishonesty?

I guess you can teach it, because Roy taught it to Trump.

What makes you so proud and happy to attack The Gays?

What makes you so proud and happy to attack The Jews who call out war criminal Bibi's racism, apartheid, and genocide?

Why are you so dishonest, and cruel?

TRUMP2024
MAGA

ATTACK THE GAYS

ATTACK THE JEWS

DIVIDE

SPEW HATE

LIE

[EmmetK]

On 11/6/2024 at 3:28 PM, Suckrates said:

 

Ill NEVER be calling him that.... Im gonna be like Whoopie.   

I hope you bathe more than she does.
Every time I tune in (for a laugh) the woman looks like she hasn't cleaned herself in a while.

ALL ABOARD THE MAGA EXPRESS.
HAVE YOUR TICKETS READY.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[stevenkesslar]

4 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

the woman looks like she hasn't cleaned herself in a while.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

CASUAL RACISM EVERY DAY
CASUAL SEXISM EVERY DAY
WHAT SHIT HOLE COUNTRY DOES THAT SMELLY BLACK WOMAN COME FROM, AN CAN WE SEND HER BACK?