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[Moses]

35 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

That is how we do it in democracies.

Lemming, you even can't vote for your president - strange people doing it for you. You haven't direct elections... Even in Russia which you call "autocratic" we can vote directly, but your fathers of nation still not allow you to vote directly and force you to use that outdated system ... They not trust you to show your will directly...

So you live in country where majority voting for one person, but president will be elected by minority. And you insist you have "democracy"? In Europe we call it circus.

With democracy you wouldn't have had Trump in 2016

[stevenkesslar]

4 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

Do you mean resistance from the "people" ?, because certainly when you lose the House and Senate, there is not much resistance there.   Trump has FREE reign in his appointments and confirmation process, and we will most likely see EVERY MAGA looney, nutjob and radical in his cabinet, RFK Jr and Leaping Elon, his 2 loser sons, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone etc, ALL people that have gone to jail and either done time or been pardoned.   And poor Jack Smith is TOAST, and Trump walks....after all the time and money spent on holding him accountable.   Doesnt seem Fair, does it ?     But life is NOT fair, its a game of roulette, and this time, we had our chips on the wrong color. 

I think the first thing is millions of people have to process their grief and anger.

One person I have enormous respect for is David Axelrod.  When I was a young man, I took off a term of college to go elect Harold Washington as Chicago's first Black Mayor.  Axelrod was a Chicago Tribune reporter always stalking City Hall for stories the summer I interned in the Mayor's office after Washington won.  Axe paid close attention.  That led to Obama, who won twice.  That led to Harris, who lost once.  Ya win some, ya lose some.  It is clear to me that Axelrod has some of the same feelings I do about wanting America to be a liberal multi-racial democracy.  And last night he was just pissed.  For a mild-mannered geeky guy, he let his rage out as much as he ever does on TV.  So I think the first thing is we have to deal with that.  A lot of people are hurt, and pissed.

That said, I think the saying "Be careful what you wish for" applies here.  I wanted a multi-racial democracy. Last night, I got it.  Latino men and women, and ONLY Latino men and women, put Trump over the top.  And they are not particularly liberal.   Teixeira is the expert on that.  They are culturally moderate patriots.  Yeah, there was a tiny bit of slippage among Black men.  Really I think the best way to think about it is "multi-racial working class". 

We have a problem, Democrats.  But having a multi-racial democracy is NOT the problem we have.  Again, I will repeat ad nauseum that we do have the problem of resisting Trump's clear fascist and authoritarian tendencies.  But that is going to make Trump WILDLY UNPOPULAR.  If you forgot, like many young Latino men did, check the results of the 2018 and 2020 elections.  Trump is going to overreach.

So it's too soon.  But here are some ways Trump will overreach:

1.  TAX CUTS TO BILLIONAIRES

2.  TAX CUTS TO BILLIONAIRES

3. TAX CUTS TO BILLIONAIRES

4. TAX CUTS TO BILLIONAIRES

5. TAX CUTS TO BILLIONAIRES

That really deserves to be the top five items on the list.  Because as far as legislation goes, that was the big priority and the big win in Trump 1.0.  It was not, and is not, popular.  Teixiera (and Stan Greenberg) have been BEGGING Democrats to focus on this.  Which is a little bit of a problem for billionaire Democrats.

The polls said Harris' idea of an expanded child tax credit was wildly popular. It was one of the top policies that made working class voters want to vote FOR a candidate.  (An immigration crackdown was also wildly popular).  So when Republicans have their debt-inflating billionaire hog feed, Democrats damn well better be pushing for child tax credits for Hispanic Moms and Dads instead.  Even if we lose.  If Republicans are smart, they will steal the idea and run with it.  Did I ever accuse Republicans of being smart?

6.  LET BOBBY KENNEDY TELL YOU HOW TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN.  If there is something worse than telling Moms their daughters have to compete with women who were men, I think it is the idea that Bobby Kennedy wants to take vaccines and fluoride away.  Megan McCain is the poster child.  She has been freaking out about the transgender women in sports things for months.  On Halperin, she was already freaking out about Bobby Kennedy last night.  Again, be careful what you wish for.  But women did not vote for Trump, or Bobby Kennedy.  This will send them running screaming into the night.  As will empowering Republicans to push even further on abortion.

7.  FASCISM.  Trump will push this, for sure.  He does want to be a fascist.  He won't be able to resist.  So now he will do shit that proves what Democrats were warning all along was correct, just like Jan. 6th did.

8.  TARIFFS.  This is last on my list because I don't think Trump will actually do it.  Every right wing economist that is for it says that it will be SHORT TERM PAIN for theoretical long term gain.  What does this mean for the working class?  Next time you go to Walmart, shit will cost a lot more.  How did this solve the problem of higher costs for Hispanic men?  Which is why I don't think Trump will do it.  But if he does, it will be wildly unpopular.

Last night was an absolute disaster.  The part that will be hardest to fix, if it can ever be fixed, is the idea that America is an unreliable ally.  That said, the Trump people will double down on China being the real threat.  So it mostly shifts the nature of the global alliances.  But on domestic politics, Trump 2024 has the same problem as Trump 2016, and Biden 2020.  I think all three of those elections were more about people voting against something, than for something.  Latino men simply did not vote for tax cuts for billionaires.   

Harris ran a great campaign.   My hope was that she might prove to be good at mediating and finding a center left majority somehow.  Precisely because she really doesn't have an agenda she could explain to people in a convincing way.  Those kind of leaders can sometimes be better, because they are not rigid and stuck.  But for the wall of lava of inflation, I think she would have won.  So the positive thing is it opens the door for someone who can put a majority together, like Clinton and Obama did, to step forward and fight. 

The Democratic Party needs to redesign who we are, and how we are for the working class.  Sorry.  We have always been better at that than Republicans.  Trump is no FDR.  Trump is no Truman.  Trump is no JFK.  Trump is not LBJ.  Trump is no Clinton.  Trump is no Obama.  I'd say he's most like Biden.  Old, and tired, but less effective at governing.  Republicans who think this will be an easy path to a Republican majority are kidding themselves.

[stevenkesslar]

13 minutes ago, Moses said:

With democracy you wouldn't have had Trump in 2016

That's true.   And since you like to divide and attack America, let's add this.  The electoral college is rooted in slavery.  It was designed in large part to empower slave owners. So if you want to attack America for that, Genocide Freak, go ahead.  But if you don't mind, let's focus on this century.

It would really piss me off if, for the third time in my lifetime, I had to "lose" an election that my team would have "won" in almost any other democracy in the world.  I mean Gore in 2000, and Clinton in 2016.  In Genocide World, it doesn't matter because only Genocide Man can win.  Everyone else is jailed, killed, or exiled.  But in democracies it matters.

So there are two things about the 2024 election that make the pain hurt less.

First, Trump will win the popular vote.  My guess is when California is 100 % counted he will have less than 50 % of the popular vote.  So it was not a landslide, like some of the conservatives on Fox were claiming last night.  But he won fair and square.  Let's just cut out all the bullshit about stolen elections and go directly to, "How do Democrats need to change to attract the US working class?"

Second, he did not win because Whites are racist.  Whites voted more for Harris than they did for Biden.  So I hope we just skip the whole, "Are White Trump supporters racist?" thing.  Yes, obviously a lot of them are racist and anti-Semitic and truly deplorable hateful people.  Just look at the flags they carry, and the words that come out of their mouths.  And how they beat up cops when they try to steal elections.  Many of them support full on violent fascism.  But there is no great upside in branding them all as deplorables.  (See Clinton, Hillary, 2016).   There is upside in branding their actions as horrific, when they are.   (See Jan. 6th, which did hurt Trump in 2024, I think.)  So let's instead focus on why Latino men and women voted for Trump.  And what we need to do to persuade them to vote for Democrats instead.

 

[EmmetK]

One of the great things about having a Republican Senate is that the 2 aging Conservative members of the court (Thomas and Alito) can now retire and be replaced by equally conservative justices in their early 50's. This will cement a conservative majority on the court for the next 30 years.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Bingo T Dog]

5 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

One of the great things about having a Republican Senate is that the 2 aging Conservative members of the court (Thomas and Alito) can now retire and be replaced by equally conservative justices in their early 50's. This will cement a conservative majority on the court for the next 30 years.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

Still thinking about Jeanine Pirro.  male staffers will get the best blow jobs they've had in years.

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, Suckrates said:

Trumps crazy, random, rambling, unintelligible "Weave" style made him "appear" more honest, real and authentic, as compared to Kamalas style which seemed rigid ,scripted and INauthentic

Here's a weird thing, which is probably just overthinking.  Because, in the end, none of this matters now.

Trump won the people who decided in the last week of the election.  If it was up to everyone who decided BEFORE the last week, meaning 93 % of the electorate, Harris would have won.

The best month for Harris was September. Of the 7 % who say they decided in September, she won them 55/42.  The reason I bring that up is that some people will say she spent too much time attacking Trump, and not enough talking about the economy.  I just disagree.  I'd argue the opposite.  If she spent more time ripping Trump a new asshole, like she did during the debate, she might have barely eked out a victory.

Claire McCaskill made an utterly sensible argument on Morning Joe the morning of the election.  She said the people who decide at the last minute are "feel" voters.  They are not really looking into, or even aware of, what Trump or Harris say about the economy.  McCaskill arguably knows more about how to win in a red state than anyone else alive in America today.  She said that Trump blew it, because he looked like a gloomy old nut compared to Harris's optimism and positive energy.  Except Harris lost because of the people who broke for Trump in the last week, if the exit polls are right.  Why?

Trump won the last week vote 52/44.   So McCaskill may be partly right.  Maybe some voters, especially women, liked how Harris felt.  Or maybe Trump's sexist ranting and crude dildo pumping was designed to appeal to the "bro" vote.  Maybe it was designed to simply deter people from voting at all, by saying Harris is a stupid "b----".   Maybe it was just Trump being the crude idiot he is.  Who knows?

I think we know this.  Trump's base decided they were with Trump a long time ago.  And they are not a majority.

I keep coming back to Never Trump Republican Mike Murphy's "wall of lava". We will never know.  But it makes sense to me that a lot of people who don't follow debates about tariffs or child tax credits, or have a clue what Trump did to shower tax cuts on billionaires in his failed first term, just thought Trump would somehow make things better for them after years of inflation and higher prices.

As much as I am a fan of policies like child tax credits, precisely for this reason, I find it very hard to believe Harris could have changed the outcome if she had just focused more on policy in the last week.  And all that excellent turnout work that happened in the swing states was just not enough.  And, again, name leaders in the West - other than AMLO - who were NOT punished for inflation that happened on their watch?  So I think the wise thing for Democrats is to think long and hard about a pro-working class policy. And use Trump's pro-billionaire policies to actually show we FIGHT for the working class.  So we are hopefully never in this position again.

[Suckrates]

 

Lets just be clear when we speak of Latino male voters.   We obviously speak of the Str8 ones, although there may be a handful of Log Cabin fanatics in that mix.

Gay latino men, for the most part voted Harris I would assume.   Most of them are on Ru Pauls Drag race, so I know.   LOL

Latino male men learn there lesson when ICE comes knocking on their "undocumented" mothers door, or better yet, kicks it in.   

[EmmetK]

13 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

Lets just be clear when we speak of Latino male voters.   We obviously speak of the Str8 ones, although there may be a handful of Log Cabin fanatics in that mix.

Gay latino men, for the most part voted Harris I would assume.   Most of them are on Ru Pauls Drag race, so I know.   LOL

Latino male men learn there lesson when ICE comes knocking on their "undocumented" mothers door, or better yet, kicks it in.   

If they are in this country, they will need to start packing their bags.
Either leave voluntarily and apply for citizenship from your home country, or face deportation, in which case, they will be permanently barred from entering our country again. Period.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Suckrates]

3 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

If they are in this country, they will need to start packing their bags.
Either leave voluntarily and apply for citizenship from your home country, or face deportation, in which case, they will be permanently barred from entering our country again. Period.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

Just what EVERY latino man WANTS for their parent. 

[stevenkesslar]

52 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

Just what EVERY latino man WANTS for their parent. 

Thank you.

I'm going to just keep ranting.

There was a brief period of time between Nov. 2016 and Jan. 2017 when there was a palpable fear among Democrats that Trump would turn out to be a secret moderate.  He was a right of center Democrat at least for some period of time.  Maybe just because he lived in New York. 

By Jan. 2017 we had "American carnage".  Then tax  cuts for billionaires, and let's just kill Obamacare.   And that was the easy part. Jan. 6th and patriotic cop beatings were just a vision of love off on the horizon.

So Trump 2024 is older, more tired, and way more unhinged than Trump 2016.  He failed to do most of the shit he promised in 2016.  Which is why he was fired.  On immigration, he did not build a wall.  Fentanyl deaths went right through the roof while Trump was President.  Over 100,000 dead - American carnage - thanks to Trump's incompetence at stopping the flood of fentanyl.

So the idea that Trump will fix immigration policy is probably a delusion.  But let's just be good Americans for a minute and say, "Hey, maybe he can."  Maybe Trump will stop calling Harris a stupid bitch and instead focus on immigration policy.

Republicans now have a very good reason why.   They now know if you want to be President, better listen to those Latinos. I actually do believe that in itself is good for democracy.  

So let's put this is context. 

Trump is 1000 % certain to do dumb authoritarian and fascist shit.  He can't help himself.  He is older, and more unhinged.  Biden's age problems may look like child's play compared to this unhinged narcissist felon three years from now.  So I think the optimistic way to think about it is that if we are ONLY thinking about mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, and maybe we just throw in a million or so legally American Latino kids to deport for kicks, that's good for America.  Because it actually could be a lot worse. Maybe he really tries to arrest and jail every Democrat in Congress.  He really is THAT unhinged.

So I'll just focus on deport all those criminals.  He did say that last night I think.  That may go down well.  If he just does that, Democrats are not against getting rid of rapists and murderers, are we?  Obama, aka "Deporter In Chief, did that.  Best of luck to Trump fixing the fentanyl crisis, which absolutely blew up and killed over 100,000 Americans under Trump 1.0.  Trump has never been accused of being good at policy, or governing.

So Pew says 33 % of Hispanics are for increasing deportations, compared to 55 % of non-Hispanics.  But that understates the massive difference between Republicans and Latinos.  This poll says 79 of % of Republicans favor what Trump has proposed: rounding up the illegals - or their legally Americans kids, or whatever - and putting them in militarized camps. 22 % Democrats, and fewer than half of Independents favor this. And how many Hispanic Catholics favor this? 33 %. Hispanics are way closer to Democrats than Republicans on one of the centerpiece ideas of Trump 2.0.  And that is BEFORE the separation of parents and children begins.

My guess is Trump will go for some low hanging fruit, and shit can the mass deportation rhetoric now that he has won.  But if he doesn't, he's going to send lots of Latinos running, literally, into the night. Since it's Trump, without the guard rails, it is probably going to be a cruel unhinged ugly mess.  

But one can hope. When Obama tried to do immigration reform, the Republican Party position, especially in the House, was "just say no" to compromise.  All those Republicans in mostly White rural districts have constituents who are riled up.  They want to round up the illegals and put 'em in camps. @EmmetK is already salivating, like Pavlov's dog.  Or is it Trump's pit bull? 

If Trump proposes, let alone wins, a compromise immigration bill, I'll be shocked.  He'll mostly focus on tax cuts for billionaires.  Which is pretty much what every Latino Mom and Dad with some undocumented relative wants. 

So I think barely winning 50 % of the vote, thanks to young Latino men who like Joe Rogan or the "bro" vibe, is probably about as good as it gets.  

 

[EmmetK]

The Trump landslide (defeating the Cackles Queen by 5 MILLION votes) came as a shock to anyone who relies on the fake news media for their news. It didn't come as a surprise to me.
I knew that black and Latino males would come through. And they did. And in a big way. They were largely responsible for the Trump landslide victory. In numbers that no Republican Presidential nominee has received before. These guys were tired of the high inflation; the 20+ million Biden/Harris unvetted illegals that were given free housing (many in $300 a night hotels), medical, education, day care, cell phones, debit cards, etc. All while some of our veterans are living on the streets; biological men in girls bathrooms and locker rooms; males competing against females in sports; and taxpayer funded transition surgery for transexual federal inmates. I could go on. 

Black males are finally leaving the democrat plantation. Hopefully, the females will follow soon. Of course the democrat party can't even define what a female is!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Suckrates]

9 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

The Trump landslide (defeating the Cackles Queen by 5 MILLION votes) came as a shock to anyone who relies on the fake news media for their news. It didn't come as a surprise to me.
I knew that black and Latino males would come through. And they did. And in a big way. They were largely responsible for the Trump landslide victory. In numbers that no Republican Presidential nominee has received before. These guys were tired of the high inflation; the 20+ million Biden/Harris unvetted illegals that were given free housing (many in $300 a night hotels), medical, education, day care, cell phones, debit cards, etc. All while some of our veterans are living on the streets; biological men in girls bathrooms and locker rooms; males competing against females in sports; and taxpayer funded transition surgery for transexual federal inmates. I could go on. 

Black males are finally leaving the democrat plantation. Hopefully, the females will follow soon. Of course the democrat party can't even define what a female is!

 

Yup they are leaving it for a man that will assassinate them if they dare talk back or oppose him....   Seems like a fair trade off to me. 

[Suckrates]

 

At least Saints Jamie Raskin and Adam Schiff avoided the massacre.    😁

[EmmetK]

If anyone doubts the extent of the Trump landslide, here is your evidence:

The USA is A LOT more Red than it is blue.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Bingo T Dog]

26 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

If anyone doubts the extent of the Trump landslide, here is your evidence:

The USA is A LOT more Red than it is blue.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

BLOOD RED.  VERY APPROPIATE FOR TRUMP.

[Suckrates]

2 hours ago, EmmetK said:

If anyone doubts the extent of the Trump landslide, here is your evidence:

The USA is A LOT more Red than it is blue.

TRUMP2024
MAGA

 

there is no denial, at least from me there was a strong movement to the right this election.  Its because the majority of voters, the 51% voting for Trump didnt see a New way forward with Harris.  They viewed her as an extension of Biden, who is not very popular these days, and there was no way she was able to distance herself from that.  I truly believe that if the Dems primaried and put up a different candidate, they would have had a good chance of winning.

[Moses]

4 hours ago, Suckrates said:

I truly believe that if the Dems primaried and put up a different candidate, they would have had a good chance of winning.

Nope. In the current conditions dems had almost zero chance. 
There would be a chance if the gerontocratic elites of the Democratic Party gave way to new faces in advance - 2-3 years in advance, and the Democratic Party nominated and promoted a new candidate - energetic, no older than 60, competent, charismatic and with a position not too far from the center. And, what is very important - not only with a social, but also with a clear and specific economic program.

[Suckrates]

3 hours ago, Moses said:

Nope. In the current conditions dems had almost zero chance. 
There would be a chance if the gerontocratic elites of the Democratic Party gave way to new faces in advance - 2-3 years in advance, and the Democratic Party nominated and promoted a new candidate - energetic, no older than 60, competent, charismatic and with a position not too far from the center. And, what is very important - not only with a social, but also with a clear and specific economic program.

Not sure why you push the age narrative since clearly an Orange Buffoon pushing 80 was NO deterrent.  I do believe that being  a woman, and being associated with Biden was her downfall..  Everything Trump offered was in the abstract, especially his economic plan, except for his misguided Tariffs idea.   Harris laid out a plan that would benefit all households yet noone bought it, so I cannot accept your narrative here. 

[Suckrates]

 

Lets take note of this important FACT.   Although it was an overwhelming victory for Trump and he did win the popular vote in this round, the results showed HE received 4 million LESS votes than he did with his 2016 win.  So it means his support didnt really grow, but there was a major realignment in the electorate, much of whom just didnt vote this time at all.   Had there been bigger turnout, the final picture might have been different ?

Either way Dems much commit much of their attention to being "watchdogs" now, because if past is prolog, Trump will rape and rob this country to the best of HIS ability, and at the end of his 4 years (should he Live to see it)  he will be a much richer man, and lower/middle class Americans will be much poorer. 

Its also interesting the Trump team is keeping Vance out of the spotlight.  I think Trump has come to realize he made a mistake picking Vance, and my overactive brain is wondering how long it will be before we see Vance REPLACED by Leaping Musk ?   

[EmmetK]

On 11/6/2024 at 5:14 AM, Suckrates said:

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A Tri-fecta WIN for Trump, and Congrats to @EmmetK,   his undying support and purchases of all Trumps shit carried him over the finish line.   

Hillary 2.0   Cackles,  we knew you when........   The Joy has died !  

 

Thank you so much @Suckrates! I can always appreciate the sentiments of a good loser. An yours seem authentic and sincere.

And my 81+ million fellow Trump supporters thank you from the bottom of our MAGA heats to the top of our MAGA brains!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

[Bingo T Dog]

16 minutes ago, EmmetK said:

Thank you so much @Suckrates! I can always appreciate the sentiments of a good loser. An yours seem authentic and sincere.

And my 81+ million fellow Trump supporters thank you from the bottom of our MAGA heats to the top of our MAGA brains!

TRUMP2024
MAGA

MAGA BRAINS......................MAGA HEARTS