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[Suckrates]

 

At 10:30 EST,  not looking good for the Dems....   Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley re-elected...   And Kornacki's map is pretty much RED.   House and Senate dominated by the GOP.......

[stevenkesslar]

Ann Selzer's canary in the coal mine turned out to be a hologram.

Neither race has been called.   But the Republican incumbents are leading in the two Iowa House races her poll showed the Democrats would take, in one case by double digits.   Iowa of course has been called for Trump.

[Suckrates]

 

At 11:30 EST, Trump OVER performing everywhere.   There is no wall of women,  there is no latino outrage over Trash comments, in fact Trump running away with latino vote....Abortion rights ?  MEH !    Fuck all the pundits,  They got this shit WRONG..  Everything Trump has done and said has made him the "sympathetic" candidate, and favorite to win this time around.   Also the House and Senate are on track to go GOP.  We are Screwed. 

MSNBC hosts are sounding solemn and dejected.  

Harris will have to pull a rabbit out of a hat to take the Win. 

A New Way forward ?   Harris was right EXCEPT the new way is gonna be FACISM for the USA.  

Most Americans liked what Trump was selling.   And thats the scary part.   What happened to America ?

 

[Suckrates]

At 12:30 EST,  Trump has won North Carolina and Georgia

Kamala Harris had glitz glamour and big Celeb endorsements and Joy.

Trump offered us hate speech, racism, darkness and a Leaping Elon Musk

Americans want Trump. 

Americans are not evolved or sophisticated enough to elect a democratic, competent WOMAN president.  They still prefer an Incompetent, Old , White Facist dude. 

Once you get Facism, its hard to get rid of it.....  Farewell America !  

[reader]

Trump is wining because he knew the electorate better than Dems. It didn’t matter who the Dems ran against him.

This is the worst possible outcome for a democracy. Whether it can withstand it remains to be seen.

It’s also a blow to NATO and long-standing allies.

[Suckrates]

It's 5 am, and I just got up to pee.....  Looks like Trump has steam rolled over Kamala, now winning 3 swing states and on track to win them all in a clean sweep....

Trump has gained support in places he was lacking it in 2020.

Seems like it was also "raining men" for Trump...    

Trump feels vindicated, and MAGA empowered....

All the subpoenas, councils, trials, indictments, convictions, bad press, ridicule, assassination attempts has only made Trump strong in the eyes of the Majority of Americans, who have apparently felt it was time to usher in a new way of governing....FACISM.....      All the lying, corruption, criminality, anger, hostility, grievance, pet eatting and fellation of a microphone was the ticket to Trumps success.  

Americans will now live in fear of Trump for at least the next 4 years, and sleep with one eye open for every unkind word or side eye they ever gave him....  Now, noone is safe.     And RFK in charge of our Health ?   We need MORE than Gods help....

All this seems too Good for Trump, just too good and something doesnt feel right.   Its feels as if his surprising success was a ""scripted" story of Revenge, and all the results just fell into place too quickly and perfectly.   As if it were "Trumps WET Dream"..... Did Musk actually pull off purchasing the WIN for Trump ?   

A Tri-fecta WIN for Trump, and Congrats to @EmmetK,   his undying support and purchases of all Trumps shit carried him over the finish line.   

Hillary 2.0   Cackles,  we knew you when........   The Joy has died !  

*** Someone please check on @stevenkesslar

[Suckrates]

27 minutes ago, reader said:

Trump is wining because he knew the electorate better than Dems. It didn’t matter who the Dems ran against him.

This is the worst possible outcome for a democracy. Whether it can withstand it remains to be seen.

It’s also a blow to NATO and long-standing allies.

NATO will be gone for America,  Ukraine will fall,  Israel will trounce the Palestinians,  the Deportations will begin and deplete the work force, and destroy families,  The Supreme Court and all lower Courts will be stacked with MAGA judges, Women will Die, Trump will be on the Mount Rushmore of Dictators,  our health, welfare and futures are All in jeopardy, and MAGA will grow and become more bold and violent.   RED caps will be Mandatory headgear. 

The People have spoken in Trumps America. 

[reader]

Although he’s not alive to share in the victory, Roy Cohn is responsible in no small part.

From National Public Radio obituary:

 

Cohn was already a legend when Trump met him in 1973. Cohn had been in the news for decades, prosecuting nuclear espionage or searching for communists or defending celebrity clients. Among those he represented were Cardinal Francis Spellman, New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner and the New York crime bosses Carmine Galante and John Gotti.Trump met him in the high-fashion Manhattan bar called Le Club and was soon relying on him for advice in dealing with lawsuits and legal orders and life in general. He drew up four versions of a prenuptial agreement prior to Trump's first marriage. (His first wife, Ivana Trump, died Thursday at 73.)Cohn was known for telling clients to fight all charges, to counter-sue when sued and to never concede defeat. Trump has followed his formula for half a century, and that has come to matter a great deal to the nation.

 

[Moses]

The result of today is the egoism of the Democratic Party elite. They have long forgotten about democracy and are focused on the struggle for power for themselves.

Back in 2022, it was obvious that Joe Alzheimer was incapable of uniting the nation, of resisting his own party's elite in their lust for power, of controlling the "deep government" officials who had their own idea of "what was good for America" (read: for their own asses in their soft chairs). Grandpa Joe was allowed to insist on his future presidency in 2024-2028 almost until the last moment. The party-aligned media were allowed to lie to the people about his health, about his cognitive abilities.

This was a fatal mistake.

Kamala, as I wrote back in the summer, is a "nobody from nowhere" in terms of political leadership - an empty space. The Democratic elites nominated her out of desperation, and, not least of all, precisely because she is nothing serious, and therefore does not pose a threat to the leadership of the Clinton, Obama, etc. clans.

If the Democratic elites in 2022 instead of suggestions to their supporters that "Biden still has a strong handshake", that he has "brilliant mental abilities", would have engaged in the timely nomination of a bright candidate from the Democratic Party, his promotion and popularization, then today would look completely different. Unfortunately for America, there is no such candidate among the gerontocratic elites, and the gerontocratic elites of the Democratic Party are not ready for the emergence of a bright, charismatic and popular democratic candidate from outside their circle - such a candidate would threaten their very existence.

Therefore, today the United States got what it got - a neo-Nazi president. Thank you, grandfathers Biden, Obama, Clinton, thank you grandmothers Clinton and Pelosi. Your egoism certainly played a significant role.

[KeepItReal]

[Moses]

13 minutes ago, KeepItReal said:

(Irony ON) Trump will try it... well, at least the first part... (Irony OFF)

[Suckrates]

 

Release the Jan 6th insurrectionists, Burn the Constitution, Kill all the legal cases against him,  TRUMP IS PRESIDENT......

So the loud, crazy, incompetent, nazi facist pulled off a win with the enthusiastic help of the American people.   With everything he endured and overcame, he earned their sympathy and empathy  as a "fighter" and a person who is able to overcome.   And he did.

Now he avoids jail and accountability  for all his misdeeds, which will only be bigger and bolder in his next term .  He will flaunt his sweeping vindication, and tout that he was "right all along"....   Trump is currently reviewing his enemies list and deciding WHO to start on..... 4 years of revenge...

To make matters worse, Trump even Won the POPULAR VOTE this time around.   There is not a single thing for Dems to celebrate.  But I still say something doesnt feel right.  EVERYTHING went too Perfectly for Trump.  He even did better in areas he didnt have support before.  

This is the ABSOLUTE WORST path for America.  All the left wing pundits, media and news cohosts are feeding us election obituaries and making excuses,  but bottom line their attacks on him made him a more popular figure, and they werent ready to elect a WOMAN, a BLACK woman for President....

"WE ARE GOING BACK" !   

Hopefully in 2 years, we will be able to "right the ship" somewhat, and trust that Trump will NOT be able to deliver the people anything he promised.  ?    But a tri-fecta is hard to beat.    

[KeepItReal]

6 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

Release the Jan 6th insurrectionists, Burn the Constitution, Kill all the legal cases against him,  TRUMP IS PRESIDENT......

So the loud, crazy, incompetent, nazi facist pulled off a win with the enthusiastic help of the American people.   With everything he endured and overcame, he earned their sympathy and empathy  as a "fighter" and a person who is able to overcome.   And he did.

Now he avoids jail and accountability  for all his misdeeds, which will only be bigger and bolder in his next term .  He will flaunt his sweeping vindication, and tout that he was "right all along"....   Trump is currently reviewing his enemies list and deciding WHO to start on..... 4 years of revenge...

To make matters worse, Trump even Won the POPULAR VOTE this time around.   There is not a single thing for Dems to celebrate.  But I still say something doesnt feel right.  EVERYTHING went too Perfectly for Trump.  He even did better in areas he didnt have support before.  

This is the ABSOLUTE WORST path for America.  All the left wing pundits, media and news cohosts are feeding us election obituaries and making excuses,  but bottom line their attacks on him made him a more popular figure, and they werent ready to elect a WOMAN, a BLACK woman for President....

"WE ARE GOING BACK" !   

Hopefully in 2 years, we will be able to "right the ship" somewhat, and trust that Trump will NOT be able to deliver the people anything he promised.  ?    But a tri-fecta is hard to beat.    

It is not the end of the world. Really. I feel for the younger generation. We (older) went through rough years with HIV/AIDS, various wars and nuclear disasters. Hurricanes and financial disasters. We are tough - we will put out heads down, keep working at it and strive for small gains. I am concerned that the younger generation does not have the stamina and tenacity to see opportunity in the challenge. Time will tell and maybe prove me wrong. I will be glad for it. 😁

[Suckrates]

43 minutes ago, KeepItReal said:

It is not the end of the world. Really. I feel for the younger generation. We (older) went through rough years with HIV/AIDS, various wars and nuclear disasters. Hurricanes and financial disasters. We are tough - we will put out heads down, keep working at it and strive for small gains. I am concerned that the younger generation does not have the stamina and tenacity to see opportunity in the challenge. Time will tell and maybe prove me wrong. I will be glad for it. 😁

However, we have never seen an agenda like Project 2025 either, a manifesto aimed at destroying every governmental agency, and centralizing power under the President, TRUMP.....  The first 180 days will be telling, as we see if Trump accomplishes the Projects stated goals.....  I would like to say Trump will surprise us, but i know better. 

[Suckrates]

[Suckrates]

 

 

"The Reality Show Felon beats the Professional Politician"  to become Americas President for the 2nd time......

With fear, anger and grievance dominating Americans minds, its time to reassess WHAT America really is.  

[Suckrates]

 

Grudgemaster Trump reviews his enemies list as "people without papers" hide under their beds.   

This historic win for Trump was no electoral college fluke..  The American people actually CHOSE him as their guy.  They were afraid their kids would come home from school TRANS, and drag queens would be infiltrating our schools.... They feared for their pets, and the prices of their grocery bags.   But they said FUCK you to Democracy and the Constitution.  They want a goverment with no checks or balances, any guardrails, accountibility for corrupt and UNethical behavior, and a partisan hack Supreme Court.  

They wanted to "stick it to the Libs and own them",   and they SURE DID ! 

How ya gonna pushback on all that ?  

[stevenkesslar]

6 hours ago, reader said:

Trump is wining because he knew the electorate better than Dems. It didn’t matter who the Dems ran against him.

This is the worst possible outcome for a democracy. Whether it can withstand it remains to be seen.

It’s also a blow to NATO and long-standing allies.

That was an eloquent summary.  My emotional reaction is that the biggest disaster here is the thing the election had NOTHING to do with, really.  Putin wins.  Ukraine loses.  And America is now an unreliable ally.  We can't just walk that back in four years.   

I'm not sure I agree this is the worst possible outcome for democracy. Is it bad for democracy that we are a melting pot, and Latino men voted for Trump?  That's hard to argue, I think.  The second part of what you said is very true.  Whether America can withstand Trump's fascist tendencies remains to be seen. 

I'll double down on what I said yesterday. The resistance will be massive, and it starts today.  I think Trump is way more likely to prioritize tax cuts to billionaire donors than jailing his political opponents.  Time will tell.  This was NOT a vote for oligarchy.  But we are one step closer to oligarchy, whether we voted for it or not.

It may be slightly more accurate to say Ronald Reagan knew the electorate better than Dems.  Trump, an idiot with feral political instincts, just stumbled into it.  Susie Wiles is the mastermind.   She did it in Florida.  Now she did it in America.  Whether they can make it last is a whole different question.  But the blueprint is being tested in Florida, and it sure held in Florida yesterday.

 

It took close to half a century.  But Ronnie turned out to be right.  2024 is when Latinos, especially men, got the memo.

Here's one way to address whether Dems know their own party.  In 2002 Ruy Teixeira and John Judis, both quite leftist, wrote a book called The Emerging Democratic Majority.  Nobody believed it at the time.  For years now, Ruy Teixeira has been warning the Democratic Party, particularly about Latinos.  Add Bernie's guy, Chuck Rocha, who argues Democrats need to focus on economic populism and pocketbook issues, and moderate on or downplay culture war issues.

The Democrats’ Hispanic Voter Problem Deepens

It really is getting worse.

That was written one month ago by Teixeira.   So we can not say we did not see this coming.  Teixeira, who loves his Democratic Party, has been screaming it for years. Here's a thought.   Let's listen to him and debate what he is saying.   He is a liberal patriot who loves America.

The good news is that we really don't have to waste time on understanding what happened, or what horrible thing Democrats or Harris did.  Harris ran a great campaign. Way better than Biden would have.   And Democrats didn't do any horrible thing.  This all boils down to a roughly 3 % swing in the electorate.   Which can be completely explained by one thing:  Latinos. Especially Latino men.

Last night David Axelrod and Van Jones both tried to do "racism" on CNN.  I get it.  Because I feel the same gut level anger they obviously displayed that we could not see fit to elect a Black woman.  Karl Rove absolutely clocked Juan Williams on Fox when he tried to do a version of "Black men are racist."  I agree with Rove.   It makes absolutely no fucking sense to argue that Whites, who voted for Harris more than they did Biden, are "racist" or "fascist" for doing so.

Are Latino men "racist" or "fascist" for making a massive swing to Trump, that handed him his victory?  I think that is a losing argument for Democrats.  If we make that argument, we will make Reagan's wish a permanent reality.   Let's not do that.   Let's face facts.   America is a vibrant democratic melting pot, just like we were two days ago.  On this one, Latino men had their say and changed the outcome of the election.  I'll respect that, even if I disagree.  Pendejos!  😉

It is much easier for me to respect it when I try to understand why it happened.  And I think the explanation is incredibly obvious and undeniable.

Never Trump Republican Mike Murphy summed this up best when he said a month or so ago that Kamala Harris had a "wall of lava" coming at her.  And the wall of lava was all the stuff we have been hearing for several years about inflation, higher rent, unaffordable homeownership, high interest rates.  Ironically, that is objectively worse today BECAUSE TRUMP WON. Because long term interest rates on bonds just went up A LOT because everyone knows Trump will massively increase America's debt.  Mortgage rates, which were bad yesterday, are a bit worse today. This is NOT what Latino men voted for.

Was this a wise decision?  No.  I feel fine saying it was a stupid decision, that was all knee jerk and reactive. But I still have to respect it.  It sets up Trump to overreach, just like it set up Biden to overreach.  Latino men did NOT vote for tax cuts for billionaires.  They voted for help.  What they will get is tax cuts for billionaires.  Game on.  The resistance started last night.

Mike Murphy was not saying that Harris was doomed.  Two days ago he predicted she would win.  Like me, he got caught up in the enthusiasm of a campaign Harris ran really well.   To me, it just proves his original point.  This has happened to almost every leader or incumbent party that presided over COVID+inflation.  It is ironic as hell that America fired Trump due to COVID in 2020.   And then hired him back in 2024 due to the inflation COVID caused.  But it is what it is.

The one notable exception is Lopez Obrador, who like Biden tried to shuffle the deck (in Mexico, for constitutional reasons) and let a woman create an image of change. And she won.  AMLO is a Trumpy, but lefty, populist.  If America had a Democratic AMLO, which we really don't, would Latino men have voted for him instead of Trump? Maybe.  But mostly I think a "wall of lava" is what it is.  Harris was way more agile than Biden could be.  I don't blame her for not being able to outrun it.  I see it as a tragedy for America and the world.

Trump is going to overreach.  For sure, he will have a hog feed tax cut for billionaires that will be yet another Trump bankruptcy. This time he will bankrupt America, for a billionaire hog feed no one voted for.  "Tax cuts" were almost the only policy he mentioned last night.  The resistance is on.  It is principled resistance, based on deeply American values.  Latino men did not vote to enrich billionaire Trump donors.  Get ready for THAT fight.

I went to bed thinking we would lose Democratic Senate seats in all the swing states.  Today it looks way less bad.  Maybe Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Arizona are saved.  Will Rollins, the Gay lawyer in Palm Springs who is the only House candidate I fought for and donated to, may still eke out a narrow victory. 

It was a very bad night.  But it sets up Democrats to finally listen to smart liberals like Teixeira and Judis.  Who have been warning us for a long time.

 

 

 

 

[stevenkesslar]

I'm going to just cut and paste the first comment on Ruy Teixeira's essay above.   Anyone who wants to understand why Donald Trump was elected thanks to Hispanic men should read this:

David Gonzales

Oct 3

Just wanted to add that I'm second generation Hispanic, and always voted Democratic until I voted for Trump in 2016, the first Republican I ever voted for. I did so because when I taught English in Mexico, I learned that Mexico has very stringent rules on obtaining an employment visa. When I complained to my supervisor, he said that "every country has immigration laws and we have to obey them." What a joke!!!

So I came back and voted for Trump. I also liked that the wanted to bring back manufacturing jobs to America. But the main reason I will vote for Trump in 2024 is that I hate all that woke nonsense: racializing everything, allowing transgender "females" to compete against real women, DEI, cancel culture, defund the police...Anyway, I'm ready to vote for Trump, and if for some reason Trump isn't the candidate, I'll readily vote for JD Vance.

[Suckrates]

 

Clearly this election was a rebuke of elitist government, eventhough Trump is the biggest elite around, he doesnt speak or behave like one.  His persona is that of the average man.   For me, this illustrates "cultural resentment", and the fact that Americans could not bring themselves to anoint a black woman, and it seems that Latinos, at least the ones in America identify more with Whiteness than they do their own culture, although they may disagree with that, their actions prove otherwise.  They hate the fact of  latinos from other places coming to our country and threatening their livlihoods, and they believe these immigrants are having it better than them.

When Trumps campaign "trashed" latinos, it was no big deal,  but when Biden "trashed" Trump supporters, it was over.  People identified Kamala as an extension Biden, who is not very popular now, so his comment reflected on her, while on the Trump side the latino comments did not come from HIS mouth.   .

While election autopsies will be going on for awhile,  as I said earlier, lets see how Trumps first 180 days goes, and if it will be "promises made, promises delivered" ?   MAGA proved to be a more serious and powerful "movement" than anyone anticipated. 

@stevenkesslar  , relax, grasp hold of your psyche, and regroup.  I know Lichtman disappointed you, but no man is perfect.   There still may be a glimmer of hope, SOMEWHERE ?

[Moses]

32 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

Donald Trump was elected thanks to Hispanic men

I hear racism here...

If huge social group voted for opponent, then for sure there is real reason, and reason can't be the race of social group... dems should blame them self for such behavior of that group during voting...

10 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

Clearly this election was a rebuke of elitist government

+1

[stevenkesslar]

58 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

and it seems that Latinos, at least the ones in America identify more with Whiteness than they do their own culture, although they may disagree with that, their actions prove otherwise.  They hate the fact of  latinos from other places coming to our country and threatening their livlihoods, and they believe these immigrants are having it better than them.

Exactly!

That's not a theory.   That's a fact.   There's been lots of polling on that.  It's not black and white, pun intended.   But Latinos generally identify as "White".   Including in Mexico, I'd argue.  Turn on a telenovela and it tends to be handsome "White" looking men and women.  Not Black looking Mexicans.  But that is a whole separate thing. 

I think the positive way to say it is that America is a melting pot.  And there is definitely backlash against what people see as extreme versions of identity politics, where they are reduced to their race.  I am not saying Democrats do that, or Harris did it.  I think she did a great job of NOT doing that. 

The better example is what I viewed as the complete fucking nonsense about "Latinx." It was wildly stupid.  And probably a good example of "woke" college-educated idiots who speak no Spanish trying to make some stupid fucking cultural statement.  Polls said almost all Spanish speaking Hispanic Americans did not like the idea.   That said, I don't think "Latinx"  was why Latino men voted for Trump.  And they did not vote for Trump because they want more tax cuts for billionaires who funded Trump's campaigns.

What we learned about Latinos and immigration is that it is very complicated.  I will not repeat the whole anecdote.  But my Mexican American immigrant hair stylist was not buying what some White Gay guy who was the customer before me was selling about how Trump is a monster who attacks all Mexican immigrants as rapists.  She said some Mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers.  I think Harris did a very good job of taking a conservative line on immigration.  Turns out it was too little, too late, I think.

58 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

@stevenkesslar  , relax, grasp hold of your psyche, and regroup.  I know Lichtman disappointed you, but no man is perfect. 

I'm actually more worried about one of my friends who I just got off the phone with.   The discussion now is, "Do I cut off friends who voted for Trump?  Do I cut off family members?"  That was the question he was asking.  For me the answer is NO.  I'll congratulate them.  It's still a democracy, and they won. 

If Trump overreaches and does fascist things, the resistance will be immediate and fierce and unrelenting. That said, @reader was absolutely right.   Can America withstand Trump's fascist tendencies?  Check back with me in 2026.

The one who comes out of this smelling like a rose is Mark Halperin.  He is the person I have listened to the most, for months.  In part because he has his 2Way daily.  I posted that when Dan Turrentine, his Democrat co-host, said Republicans would win 54 Senate seats a few days before the election, I was shocked.  But he was close to correct.  Thankfully, as of now, maybe it is more like 52?  

I feel sorry for Alan Lichtman and Ann Selzer.  They are both highly respected experts, who always get it right.  Or at least are only off by a little bit, when it really matters.  They were both WAY OFF on 2024.  Why that is could be a thread in itself.  But as I posted repeatedly, I had every reason to think they were right.

This is splitting hairs, but I will say this.   Selzer was not wrong about older White women.  Trump won them by 11 points in 2020, and 5 points in 2024.  If that was the ONLY change, Harris would have won.  So we really do need to talk about Latinos, who drove Trump's victory.

The part of Lichtman's analysis I have wondered the most about was the economy, stupid.  In 1992 he counted one key against Bush 41, because he said the economy was in recession in early 1992.  Technically, that is true.  His key literally says that if the economy is in recession for one week in the year of a Presidential election, you lose that key.  I think the 1991 recession technically ended in January 1992.  Technically, there was no recession in 2024.  But the overwhelming reality that we all heard ad nauseum is that lots of Democrats - LIKE LATINOS AND BLACK MEN IN PARTICULAR - felt like this was a recession, even if it wasn't.  So that gets you into an obscure debate about whether Lichtman misjudged his own Keys. 

Once the dust settles, I'll be curious what Lichtman says. Last night he was just stunned.  He literally almost could not speak. I just spent a few minutes clicking through hours of him just being stunned and useless.  He lost a lot of his cache last night.

[Suckrates]

 

In retrospect,  when I compare the rally styles of each candidate, I can see how voter perception played into the results.

Trumps crazy, random, rambling, unintelligible "Weave" style made him "appear" more honest, real and authentic, as compared to Kamalas style which seemed rigid ,scripted and INauthentic

By yesterday morning I was able to recite Kamalas stump speech verbatim. Each comment, hand gesture, and laugh seemed repetitious and "timed", and came off as political performance, while Trump was just being Trump, looney and off the wall......Kamala was the kind of representative that the majority of Americans seem to have wanted to get away from, a rigid puppet  with a self-serving agenda.   I get it, but I just never thought America was at THAT point.   They must be pretty desperate and serious to elect a man like Trump (for the second time).   

[Suckrates]

17 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

If Trump overreaches and does fascist things, the resistance will be immediate and fierce and unrelenting. That said, @reader was absolutely right.   Can America withstand Trump's fascist tendencies?  Check back with me in 2026.

Do you mean resistance from the "people" ?, because certainly when you lose the House and Senate, there is not much resistance there.   Trump has FREE reign in his appointments and confirmation process, and we will most likely see EVERY MAGA looney, nutjob and radical in his cabinet, RFK Jr and Leaping Elon, his 2 loser sons, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone etc, ALL people that have gone to jail and either done time or been pardoned.   And poor Jack Smith is TOAST, and Trump walks....after all the time and money spent on holding him accountable.   Doesnt seem Fair, does it ?     But life is NOT fair, its a game of roulette, and this time, we had our chips on the wrong color. 

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said:

Latino men had their say and changed the outcome of the election.  I'll respect that, even if I disagree.  Pendejos!  😉

 

57 minutes ago, Moses said:

I hear racism here...

If huge social group voted for opponent, then for sure there is real reason, and reason can't be the race of social group... dems should blame them self for such behavior of that group during voting...

Hey, Genocide freak!   Congratulations.  I'll say it again.  Vlad Putin, Genocide Man, won an extremely important battle he toiled hard for last night.  Congratulations.  That is how we do it in democracies.   We don't jail people, or poison them.

But you are still a Genocide Freak. You still come here to promote division, and rationalize Putin's death machine.   It is who you are.  It is what you do.  Genocide, genocide, genocide.  If you think Americans voted for Putin or genocide, you are not racist.  You are just really fucking stupid.

I can't find that quote you attributed to me.  But, basically, you are saying Ronald Reagan and Susie Wiles are racists.   Please debate that with them, okay?  Reagan and Wiles both identified a specific racial group, Latinos, and made efforts to attract them to the Republican Party.  Mostly by playing off their grievances about an economy that they feel is not working well for them.  Teixeira, a Democrat and architect and author of The Emerging Democratic Majority, thinks Democrats should do the same.  I emphatically agree with him, and think last night proved he is right.  I don't think that is racist.  If you do, call Susie Wiles.

It just proves, yet again, that you are here to promote division and death. And you are stupid.  And you are losing.  You will always be a Genocide Freak, okay?

I wonder what would happen if a Russian ethnic group, the Chechen people, changed the outcome of any fake Russian election by unseating Genocide Man?   Would Genocide Man congratulate them, and try to understand why they voted the way they did?

Duh!  Of course not. He would kill them all.  In fact, he already did.  That is the difference between America and Genocide World.  That has not changed.

But calling me a racist for trying to understand why Latino men voted for Trump is funny.  Keep doing that.  It's stupid, but less cruel than promoting genocide.

Chechen genocide

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There were also rapes,^[1][2][88] which, along with women, were also subjected to men.^[89][90] 

Personally, as an American, I think it is great that Latino men can vote as they wish, without fear of being the victims of Genocide Man's murderous whims.  The challenge for America now, as @reader said, is to resist Trump's efforts to inch America further into authoritarianism and oligarchy.