My First night back in BKK

[floridarob]

Had a unmemorable time in Pattaya last week, except for meeting @Keithambrose and @BjornAgain . My stay at the Ambiance was good, still like that hotel, comfortable/clean beds sheets, cold ac, dark as fuck room, which vampires prefer. Someone had asked about the noise, which I've never noticed because I come in after 3am usually, however, one night I stayed in, my sleeping routine was messed up and wanted to rest. I was on the 2nd floor and could hear the noise/music from BBB downstairs, but by 1230am was quiet again.

Mike Taxi was ontime and the vehicles they had in both direction were late models and very comfortable.

Staying at the Tarntawan, another old reliable for me and the same as Ambiance without the noise, they stays here are always very quiet. Price/location combo can't be beat and still the same staff mostly for many years, except last night I met a new overnight desk agent, he seems nice though.


I went with @reader to Saphan Kawi to a massage shop, PHETBOY Spa and I reserved someone from their listings since I was unsure how many would be there on demand, in hindsight I should've taking the chance since there were so many massage shops in the area.

The guy that I reserved turned out to be the worst massage/sex experience EVER in Thailand for me. His pictures were heavily fotoshopped and I should of called it off right then, but thought maybe he has some skills or equipment that would compensate. It only got worse at each step.... HORRIBLE massage skills, I kept thinking that if @macaroni21 had been writing a review it would've been zero's across the board. I put him on the floor to show him a few techniques, then gave him another try. Nope, at this point I thought he was just dumb, but who was I to speak since I was still there 🙄

After 17 mins of massage, he wanted to start to chuck wow....now their listings show T or B and he was listed as a Top. Maybe he was unaware of that part? Didn't/couldn't fuck and at 48 mins he said he had to go because he had work (another client somewhere) at 6pm. I got dressed and went downstairs, he asked "Tip?". I spoke to the manager (probably owner) and all he was concerned with was that the shop got their money, Listed mon tips were 800/1000.  I told him any tip I gave the kid would be a gift, shop fee was 380 and I gave 1000, more than I should've. Manager apologized and said see you next time, to which I could only laugh.

Reader was waiting outside and first thing I said to him was this was the worst massage ever in Thailand and he quickly replied, couldn't have been worse than mine, lmao.

Since we were taking the Skytrain we decided to go to Madrid to eat, the pizza place not the city. Called Jenny to confirm she was opened and she said yes and would prepare a table for us. See other post about Madrid.

After going out separate ways, I went to Hot Male to see if Alex's cousin was there, I had messaged him a month and a week ago to let him know I'd be coming only to find out he was off today. Messaged him and he said he's in Pattaya and won't be back until Fri, I leave EARLY Sat 😑

Wasn't turning out to be a good day, except for the pizza so far....went to Circus to see a couple of waiters I have on FB as friends walked soi 4, didn't see anything interesting. Sat outside Sunrise Taco checking out the apps. One of the boys that I went with before from HotMale gogo recognized me, he looked like a homeless person and I asked him what happened. He just came from his country and is walking Silom looking for clients, he asked for my line. I told him no way, I've had a bad luck day and didn't need anymore today.

I saw @Keithambrose walking pass me and I yelled at him, he seemed shocked and came back. Hope he didn't think I was a homeless guy looking for a trick 🤔

We walked over to Hot Male downstairs to which he invited me for a drink, I'm a cheap date. Talked for awhile until a nearby table or screaming/cackling Thai's became unbearable and we left. 

I walked down to Tawan, Super A and Nature boy....as I passes Where Golden Cock used to be, a guy that I knew from there came running up to me, I had seen a bunch of people sitting outside at tables, guys and girls and thought it was a straight bar, he said no, it's a new bar, Mr O's kitchen or something like that. I always had a good time with him, so I went in to buy him a beer 200 baht. 

I thought I was going to off him so bought him another beer, because now it was late and no other options. Apparently the owner is from Las Vegas and has Nature boy too according to this kid. I guess he is a gambler, lol.

Then this kid seemed like he was trusted to be in charge when the owner left and said he couldn't go with me, wtf is happening today I thought.

He introduced me to the 5 guys that were available, 2 were really cute and 1 said he wasn't for me (bottom) but my friend referred me to an average guy saying I'll be happier with him for massage and sex (500 off 1500 tip). He's known me for years so I took his advice.... turned out to be a fun end of a shitty day. Over 2 hours of massage and fucking, even after he finished he made sure I did too, which is good because so many lose interest after they cum, including myself. He said we could do another day and he doesn't watch the clock can be hours and hours, but he looks like he can drink as much as me and that could add up to a lot, lol

Went to sleep about 530am and woke up at almost 1pm.....my vampire sleep routine is back!!!

 

[Olddaddy]

And didn't go to see Guido in the German restaurant?😍

[floridarob]

29 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

And didn't go to see Guido in the German restaurant?😍

No

[reader]

I believe Floridarob’s description of his first massage in Saphan Kwai touches on developments I began to notice this trip. 

I first started patronizing these shops on my first post-Covid trip. I was immediately impressed generally with both the abundance of guys available and their performance. Three years on, I’m beginning to see a few cracks. 

Maintaining some sense of quality control becomes increasingly challenging as the numbers expand as they have. Also a factor is that a good portion of the guys have been around for 2-3 years and are becoming becoming a bit jaded as they circulate among various shops as free agents.

Bigger is not necessarily better if value is eroded in the process.

[a-447]

"it's a new bar, Mr O's kitchen or something like that. I always had a good time with him, so I went in to buy him a beer 200 baht. "

O used to be my regular guy in Bangkok. We met when he was working at Nature Boy. He is one of the sweetest guys you'll ever meet. His huge fat weapon is a bonus. I get hard just thinking of the wonderful sex we had every day at the Rose Hotel. 

Then one trip he told me that because he had been promoted to the manager of Nature Boy, he could no longer go with customers. I was devastated. I also suspect he might have found a farang sponsor.

I dropped by his restaurant on my last visit but I couldn't see him there. I wanted to buy him a drink for old times sake. I'll visit him on my next trip to Bangkok.

The owner of Nature Boy (and the now -closed Golden Cock) is a farang. He sometimes turns up in Bangkok with his wife and they party with the boys and customers in the bar. I've had some great times there.

They often take boys away for holidays and one can only imagine the fun they all have together! 

Nature Boy couldn't possibly have made any money, as I was usually the only customer, but I guess the owner kept it as a hobby.

 

 

[jason1975]

6 hours ago, floridarob said:

The guy that I reserved turned out to be the worst massage/sex experience EVER in Thailand for me. His pictures were heavily fotoshopped and I should of called it off right then, but thought maybe he has some skills or equipment that would compensate. It only got worse at each step.... HORRIBLE massage skills, I kept thinking that if @macaroni21 had been writing a review it would've been zero's across the board. I put him on the floor to show him a few techniques, then gave him another try. Nope, at this point I thought he was just dumb, but who was I to speak since I was still there 🙄

After 17 mins of massage, he wanted to start to chuck wow....now their listings show T or B and he was listed as a Top. Maybe he was unaware of that part? Didn't/couldn't fuck and at 48 mins he said he had to go because he had work (another client somewhere) at 6pm. I got dressed and went downstairs, he asked "Tip?". I spoke to the manager (probably owner) and all he was concerned with was that the shop got their money, Listed mon tips were 800/1000.  I told him any tip I gave the kid would be a gift, shop fee was 380 and I gave 1000, more than I should've. Manager apologized and said see you next time, to which I could only laugh.

Reader was waiting outside and first thing I said to him was this was the worst massage ever in Thailand and he quickly replied, couldn't have been worse than mine, lmao.

Oh no! Sorry to hear about that.

[bkkmfj2648]

16 hours ago, reader said:

I first started patronizing these shops on my first post-Covid trip. I was immediately impressed generally with both the abundance of guys available and their performance. Three years on, I’m beginning to see a few cracks. 

Maintaining some sense of quality control becomes increasingly challenging as the numbers expand as they have. Also a factor is that a good portion of the guys have been around for 2-3 years and are becoming becoming a bit jaded as they circulate among various shops as free agents.

Bigger is not necessarily better if value is eroded in the process.

@reader  This is also true here in Pattaya.  There is MORE supply of massage guys than there are of punters / potential customers.  Once you frequent one more than 1 or 2 times - I see that the service level can decrease (becoming a bit jaded) as they start to take advantage of their new client.

Therefore, I have a hard rule that I gave to my 2 local guys that organize my 4 hands massages for me - only introduce me to NEW guys that meet my criteria to be open for edging fun.

It makes the future meetings more exciting.

Those few where I find that they are EXCELLENT go on my private list and I work with them independently of my 2 massage organizers. A win-win for everyone.

 

[Olddaddy]

1 minute ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

only introduce me to NEW guys that meet my criteria to be open for edging fun

Edging ?

I see this term  on Grindr.

Anyone can explain what "edging" is?

[reader]

Agree that depending on those guys who have proven consistent and reliable is the best practice. It boils down to rewarding your winners.

Have been fortunate in this respect. There are indeed some very good guys out there. It’s just a matter of finding them.

[bkkmfj2648]

2 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

Anyone can explain what "edging" is?

Your wish is my command - since we are going to live together.  I hope that the constant groaning in the room next to yours will disturb you ?

https://twitter.com/The_Edger_8/status/1502700374230151171

https://twitter.com/Powersofman1/status/1662166367468912653

https://twitter.com/DrCumControl/status/1837932406499684397

https://twitter.com/hairy_calvin/status/1630203959045509120

https://twitter.com/EdgerBroDL/status/1804330787174535449

https://twitter.com/EdgingRobotNYC/status/1842637401052831965

 

[reader]

10 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

Edging ?

I see this term  on Grindr.

Anyone can explain what "edging" is?

[bkkmfj2648]

15 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

Anyone can explain what "edging" is?

I forgot that some people do not have Twitter (X) access or are opposed to Musk and cannot see the above links.

Here is a written explanation of what "edging" is - but without the visuals found in the above Twitter (X) links.

https://www.hims.com/blog/what-is-edging

 

 

[Keithambrose]

2 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Your wish is my command - since we are going to live together.  I hope that the constant groaning in the room next to yours will disturb you ?

https://twitter.com/The_Edger_8/status/1502700374230151171

https://twitter.com/Powersofman1/status/1662166367468912653

https://twitter.com/DrCumControl/status/1837932406499684397

https://twitter.com/hairy_calvin/status/1630203959045509120

https://twitter.com/EdgerBroDL/status/1804330787174535449

https://twitter.com/EdgingRobotNYC/status/1842637401052831965

 

I see they all have huge cocks!

[bkkmfj2648]

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

I see they all have huge cocks!

Please note that this is not a prerequisite for a good edging.

Good edging candidates are willing to give up the control of their orgasm to the person who will edge them and they are willing to avoid fast orgasms that so many men prefer.

It requires another mental dimension for this type of pleasure.

The most challenging candidates are:

• those who suffer from pre-ejaculation - but I accept that challenge.  I had an Italian boyfriend back in Rome who would cum instantly if I touched him anywhere on his body - I found it VERY exciting.  I would tease him for that first touch so that he could have his quick orgasm.  Then I would have him edge me to my almost orgasm.  By that time he was ready for a proper slow edging.  Then after his 2nd orgasm I could have my first orgasm.
• those who can only reach orgasm from their own hands.  These types of people are the most challenging and my success rate with these types of people is a dismal 20% - as they are people who only like their own control for their own sexual satisfaction and consequential orgasm.  I try to avoid these types of people

Then the remaining population are usually good edging candidates - unless the guy is a total bottom and does not like orgasm without anal penetration.

 

[12is12]

Back 2 bad massage service.

Thanks 2 FloridaRob & Reader, we now know 2 avoid Phetboy. Any massage shops that still msintain standards?

[TMax]

This thread reminded me a little of the old Bonny massage, could go one day and have a reasonably good massage (and sex) but the next time could be so disappointing but I must admit to more hit than miss there.

[reader]

41 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

Back 2 bad massage service.

Thanks 2 FloridaRob & Reader, we now know 2 avoid Phetboy. Any massage shops that still msintain standards?

In Saphan Kwai, most of my experiences at 15M have been good to very good.

Some guys who originally became known to readers who receive feeds from Jey Spa, Glam and other shops have been appearing in various SK shop listings. I’ve booked two of them but found their practice annoying of trying to upsell themselves piecemeal with very pricey requests for what they believe are “extras”.

in Silom, I’ve had many good times in Soi 6 shops* and at Avarin and Green on Surawong.

* I haven’t tried any of the 9-Teen shops which only hire Thai staff.

[reader]

27 minutes ago, TMax said:

This thread reminded me a little of the old Bonny massage, could go one day and have a reasonably good massage (and sex) but the next time could be so disappointing but I must admit to more hit than miss there.

+1

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

unless the guy is a total bottom and does not like orgasm without anal penetration.

Edging with 2 hands can accomplish this.......🤷‍♂️

 

 

1 hour ago, 12is12 said:

Thanks 2 FloridaRob & Reader, we now know 2 avoid Phetboy.

I wouldn't blame the shop.... poor choice of masseur.

@reader was showing me another place that had some videos, where you could see the guys actual moving, talking and no photoshopped pics, that would be a better bet of picking someone, I think.

[reader]

5 minutes ago, floridarob said:

@reader was showing me another place that had some videos, where you could see the guys actual moving, talking and no photoshopped pics, that would be a better bet of picking someone, I think.

That’s Phoenix Massage, formerly in SK area but now in Lad Phrao 110.

[Raposa]

37 minutes ago, reader said:

* I haven’t tried any of the 9-Teen shops which only hire Thai staff.

Avoid them The massage is just average, the guys are average and the extras average too. Green massage in the area is better.

[reader]

11 minutes ago, floridarob said:

I wouldn't blame the shop.... poor choice of masseur.

 

Agree. Photoshopping, however,  is making selection more of a challenge.

[Raposa]

2 minutes ago, reader said:

Agree. Photoshopping, however,  is making selection more of a challenge.

Which actually makes the case for shops like The Prince or Senso where you choose from a lineup.

[floridarob]

10 minutes ago, Raposa said:

Which actually makes the case for shops like The Prince or Senso where you choose from a lineup.

These Saphan Kwai shops had a bunch of guys there hanging around, I didn't realize there would be that many, otherwise I would've waited until there in person. Wouldn't have guaranteed a better outcome, but at least I would've picked someone that looked like they did, lol 

[siriusBE]

That's the nice thing with Jomtien's (and others) Soda, Foxy Smile and so on... you see what's sitting in front of the shop 🙂 No fancy edited Line pictures