Bingo T Dog Posted October 27 Posted October 27 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-refers-to-cnn-s-anderson-cooper-by-a-woman-s-first-name/ar-AA1sZ466?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=f77ede0c874c481bca6f2e1e5a77c3db&ei=34 @EmmetK Would you prefer to be called Emma?? Quote
EmmetK Posted October 29 Posted October 29 On 10/26/2024 at 9:31 PM, Bingo T Dog said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-refers-to-cnn-s-anderson-cooper-by-a-woman-s-first-name/ar-AA1sZ466?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=f77ede0c874c481bca6f2e1e5a77c3db&ei=34 @EmmetK Would you prefer to be called Emma?? Actually I would prefer to hear what your life would be without msn.com. And as your only news source, that certainly explains a lot about you. I don't open up links to fake news sites. TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted October 29 Author Posted October 29 6 hours ago, EmmetK said: Actually I would prefer to hear what your life would be without msn.com. And as your only news source, that certainly explains a lot about you. I don't open up links to fake news sites. TRUMP2024 MAGA Having a chance to interact with you means every day of my life is a LOVEFEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
Members Suckrates Posted October 30 Members Posted October 30 How can WE elect a President that vows to be President for ONLY half of American citizens ? Trumps declarations that he will only be President for those people that SUPPORT and fawn over him, while rejecting anyone that has a negative view or opinion of him. He doesnt care about anyone, but especially his non-supporters, who he has alluded will face his wrath by either investigation or imprisonment for negative comments, press or posts..... So how can he hold rallys and press conferences where he expresses that he will "fix everything for everyone", but actually only speak to half the country ? This is acceptable behavior for the leader of the free world, and noone blinks an eye ? Will the American people SAVE our Democracy or let it dissolve into Trump mania ? Dont FEAR Trump, VOTE to prevent him from stealing our country and endangering our Liberty. stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members Pete1111 Posted October 30 Members Posted October 30 He convinced big banks to loan him money. He swindled New York out of taxes he should have paid. It seems he is good at hiding how unprincipled he is. Voters and so many others are easily fooled. All that matters to him is money and feeding his ego, .....oh and giving a nice blowie to Pootski. Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted October 31 Members Posted October 31 5 hours ago, Pete1111 said: It seems he is good at hiding how unprincipled he is. I'll disagree on that. It's been clear forever that Trump is a narcissistic raping lying felon. Aka, unprincipled. This is why 52 % of Americans view him unfavorably, and why he will lose. He does not fool most people. And technically he doesn't actually fool anyone. Because the people who he fools want to be fooled. I think there are two kinds of unprincipled people who don' care that Trump is unprincipled. One group, in their own eyes, just isn't all that concerned about principles. They care about high prices, or too many immigrants. So it's not like they would prefer an unprincipled leader. We know this group is huge. And if Harris peels enough of them off, she wins. The other group is The True And Faithful. And some of them seem deeply unprincipled. These are the people, including very rich business people, who fundamentally would explain away Hitler - and actually did back in the day. Trump may admire Hitler, but he is no Hitler. So he makes it easy to be unprincipled. What could go wrong? Oh, right! Sean Spicer comes to mind. I'm thinking of him mostly because you said he was a bridge too far in a post recently. It's funny listening to him. Because he is convinced Trump will win - and big. So he is getting cocky. Halperin drilled him on the Racism Rally at MSG and Spicer almost joyously blew it off. As in: some other guy said it, we did the standard disavowal, who cares? It was an awesome rally. Trump's gonna kiss ass. Roll, baby, roll! That was the jist of it. I stopped watching. Poor Sean. I'll feel sorry for him when Trump loses. It's all deeply cynical and deeply unprincipled. It would be no different than being at a Hitler rally and saying "Jews are garbage." And then Sean says, "So what? As long as we win?" And, no, @EmmetK, I am not anti-Semitic, or racist. I am repeating the bile that comes out of the mouths of your racist felon, or his supporters. Quote
Members Pete1111 Posted October 31 Members Posted October 31 25 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: I'll disagree on that. It's been clear forever that Trump is a narcissistic raping lying felon. Aka, unprincipled. This is why 52 % of Americans view him unfavorably, and why he will lose. He does not fool most people. And technically he doesn't actually fool anyone. Because the people who he fools want to be fooled. I think there are two kinds of unprincipled people who don' care that Trump is unprincipled. One group, in their own eyes, just isn't all that concerned about principles. They care about high prices, or too many immigrants. So it's not like they would prefer an unprincipled leader. We know this group is huge. And if Harris peels enough of them off, she wins. The other group is The True And Faithful. And some of them seem deeply unprincipled. These are the people, including very rich business people, who fundamentally would explain away Hitler - and actually did back in the day. Trump may admire Hitler, but he is no Hitler. So he makes it easy to be unprincipled. What could go wrong? Oh, right! Sean Spicer comes to mind. I'm thinking of him mostly because you said he was a bridge too far in a post recently. It's funny listening to him. Because he is convinced Trump will win - and big. So he is getting cocky. Halperin drilled him on the Racism Rally at MSG and Spicer almost joyously blew it off. As in: some other guy said it, we did the standard disavowal, who cares? It was an awesome rally. Trump's gonna kiss ass. Roll, baby, roll! That was the jist of it. I stopped watching. Poor Sean. I'll feel sorry for him when Trump loses. It's all deeply cynical and deeply unprincipled. It would be no different than being at a Hitler rally and saying "Jews are garbage." And then Sean says, "So what? As long as we win?" And, no, @EmmetK, I am not anti-Semitic, or racist. I am repeating the bile that comes out of the mouths of your racist felon, or his supporters. US banks and New York ultimately admitted he is unprincipled, but to address @Suckrates, how King Baby gets away with holding rallys where he promises to fix everything, it is his followers, like the couple from Omaha on CNN, or the healthcare worker from Ohio interviewed by NYT, that are being fooled. They do not focus on news of his faults. They are low information voters unaware of the facts. Yes Trump is a lying, rapist, felon, but perhaps it's the historically unprincipled nature of GOP politics that Trump has taken to the next level. Bush got it wrong. You can fool them again.... and again and again. stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted October 31 Members Posted October 31 4 hours ago, Pete1111 said: low information voters unaware of the facts That is definitely the core of it. But I would argue that is willful. At least with many Trump voters. They are choosing to be willfully ignorant. There is, of course, an analogy with Hitler again. The good German. You can connect the good German of 1940 directly to what Fiona Hill says about America slipping into oligarchy today. In both the Third Reich and America today there is a LOT of willful ignorance. To be fair, we ALL live in silos way more than we did 20 or 40 years ago. That is partly because the algorithms encourage it. It's profitable for Facebook to incite us and lead us around like sheep. But there's a huge degree of difference between the MAGA faithful, and everyone else. One way it shows up is polls on the economy. There has never been a point where more than 50 % of Democrats thought the economy has been good from 2017 to today. That suggests that Democrats are probably judging based on facts. Trump's economy catered to the rich with tax cuts, Biden's was inflationary. Those are facts. Meanwhile, almost all Republicans -over 4 in 5 - thought the Trump economy was good. And now even more believe the Biden/Harris economy is bad - about 9 in 10. Stock market? THE WORST EVER. Unemployment? THE WORST EVER. Human misery? UNBEARABLE. It is a bit of a mystery why Harris is not hammering on the misery index, which is actually significantly lower today than when Trump left office. It worked for Reagan. But I think the main reason why is that people don't feel it. Including many Blacks and Latinos who are Democrats. And it is based on facts. Inflation was not imaginary. But to understand why a misery index that is lower than when Trump was POTUS is actually the most miserable economy ever, it only takes a dash of Goebbels: if you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth. That's not really stupidity. It's willful acceptance of ignorance and lies. The election BIE LIE is the best example. That is like willful mass voluntary hypnosis. To the point where a violent attack on democracy targeted at police officers is now a day of love by patriots who adore cops, and are just fighting against Marxist cop haters. That's not stupidity. That is willful ignorance. In order to believe the BIG LIE you have to disbelieve every other fact. With election denial you really have to disbelieve ALL facts. Because there's been zero factual proof of fraud. Despite Trump's endless attempts to build an even slightly factual house of cards. I don't think Trump is good at fooling these people. Many of them have demonstrated that they are fine with minority rule, fine with stealing elections, fine with beating the shit out of cops and calling it patriotism, fine with calling the minorities they need votes from garbage, fine with suggesting Nancy Pelosi should be arrested and her husband deserved to almost die. This is willful. This is really the only point I break with Halperin on. And it is not a small point. He does not see this as fundamentally wrong. Or fundamentally different than any other politician telling any other lie. As I said in a different thread, when he went after John Meacham for politely suggesting there is something really wrong here, Halperin betrayed his deep cynicism. This is why I think Trump will lose. The undecided voters who are left, or who have broken one way and voted, are not being fooled. And they are not leaning into willful ignorance about either Trump or Harris. That is what makes them undecided. Trump did Harris a favor by showing the America he wants to lead at his racist rally. Sean Spicer says the Trump base loved it. Of course they did. Even a smart guy like him is willfully ignorant about the fact that the racist rally, like Jan.6th, is a perfect symbol for why they will lose. Willful ignorance is bliss. Until you lose. Quote
Members Suckrates Posted October 31 Members Posted October 31 6 hours ago, stevenkesslar said: That is definitely the core of it. But I would argue that is willful. At least with many Trump voters. They are choosing to be willfully ignorant. There is, of course, an analogy with Hitler again. The good German. You can connect the good German of 1940 directly to what Fiona Hill says about America slipping into oligarchy today. In both the Third Reich and America today there is a LOT of willful ignorance. To be fair, we ALL live in silos way more than we did 20 or 40 years ago. That is partly because the algorithms encourage it. It's profitable for Facebook to incite us and lead us around like sheep. But there's a huge degree of difference between the MAGA faithful, and everyone else. One way it shows up is polls on the economy. There has never been a point where more than 50 % of Democrats thought the economy has been good from 2017 to today. That suggests that Democrats are probably judging based on facts. Trump's economy catered to the rich with tax cuts, Biden's was inflationary. Those are facts. Meanwhile, almost all Republicans -over 4 in 5 - thought the Trump economy was good. And now even more believe the Biden/Harris economy is bad - about 9 in 10. Stock market? THE WORST EVER. Unemployment? THE WORST EVER. Human misery? UNBEARABLE. It is a bit of a mystery why Harris is not hammering on the misery index, which is actually significantly lower today than when Trump left office. It worked for Reagan. But I think the main reason why is that people don't feel it. Including many Blacks and Latinos who are Democrats. And it is based on facts. Inflation was not imaginary. But to understand why a misery index that is lower than when Trump was POTUS is actually the most miserable economy ever, it only takes a dash of Goebbels: if you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth. That's not really stupidity. It's willful acceptance of ignorance and lies. The election BIE LIE is the best example. That is like willful mass voluntary hypnosis. To the point where a violent attack on democracy targeted at police officers is now a day of love by patriots who adore cops, and are just fighting against Marxist cop haters. That's not stupidity. That is willful ignorance. In order to believe the BIG LIE you have to disbelieve every other fact. With election denial you really have to disbelieve ALL facts. Because there's been zero factual proof of fraud. Despite Trump's endless attempts to build an even slightly factual house of cards. I don't think Trump is good at fooling these people. Many of them have demonstrated that they are fine with minority rule, fine with stealing elections, fine with beating the shit out of cops and calling it patriotism, fine with calling the minorities they need votes from garbage, fine with suggesting Nancy Pelosi should be arrested and her husband deserved to almost die. This is willful. This is really the only point I break with Halperin on. And it is not a small point. He does not see this as fundamentally wrong. Or fundamentally different than any other politician telling any other lie. As I said in a different thread, when he went after John Meacham for politely suggesting there is something really wrong here, Halperin betrayed his deep cynicism. This is why I think Trump will lose. The undecided voters who are left, or who have broken one way and voted, are not being fooled. And they are not leaning into willful ignorance about either Trump or Harris. That is what makes them undecided. Trump did Harris a favor by showing the America he wants to lead at his racist rally. Sean Spicer says the Trump base loved it. Of course they did. Even a smart guy like him is willfully ignorant about the fact that the racist rally, like Jan.6th, is a perfect symbol for why they will lose. Willful ignorance is bliss. Until you lose. No doubt our lives are increasingly stressful in these final few days, so @stevenkesslar I will allow you the space and grace to spill your guts and give us your thoughts on the outcome of the Grand finale.... However, your posts seem more like attempts to convince "YOURSELF" of a Harris win, than to convince us..... The fact that we even have to have a conversation with Americans about choosing either an awful, psychopath, ignorant, hateful, racist Pig, OR a sane, rational, measured, intelligent Leader is beyond understanding, and at this point, anyone saying they are undecided is LYING to themselves and US.... For almost 1 decade Trump has been showing us the Worst of himself, people know HIM and his playbook, and they now know Kamala after only a short period as candidate, but also 4 years as Vice President. The choice between the 2 should be a no brainer, but the fact that it isnt says alot about the destruction and corruption of America already realized.. Half the country is a fan of Trumps shit, and will eat his shit if they had to. The more hate Trump has, the more his base eats it up. And then for Trump to say, "To be President, you need to LOVE Americans", is the most egregious use of hypocrisy since he spews HATE at Americans every day, simply because they dont support HIM..... Yet here we are, with YOU trying to convince us, and yourself Kamala will win.... With the mindset of the country now, I wouldnt place any bets on your theories. (But I still love ya though)....America is on "Life Support"... Will Americans be able to SAVE it, or will we ultimately "pull the plug ?" ... And luckily I have enough Xanax to carry me thru the next few days. Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted October 31 Members Posted October 31 8 hours ago, Suckrates said: The more hate Trump has, the more his base eats it up. The key word there is "base". His base is not 48 % of the electorate. That's the number many people, like Plouffe, argue is his ceiling. That includes a lot of people who will NOT eat shit for Trump. But they do feel the economy has been shit under Biden. I think that does matter. If Harris wins, the good play is to be graceful. Especially to people who were on the edge of the knife and tilted Trump's way because they just feel the last four years sucked. If Trump wins, I know for sure my anger goes deeper. We're at rage. I don't think these feelings are unique to me. Funny timing reading your post. Just got off the phone with a friend I have not spoken with in a long time. He is a Democrat who lives in SF and deeply dislikes the homelessness and open air drug dealing. At one point a while back he did say that if Trump promised to clean up the homelessness, and had what sounded like a real plan, he would consider voting for Trump. I assumed that was just venting, and he did not mean it. So his brief take on the election was like yours and mine. Horror and shock that Trump could even be a serious candidate. So you have some big chunk of America that is at Defcon 1 who feels like this is a fucking nightmare. And it is war. I think this favors Harris. One truism I have heard a lot this year is that people really dislike choosing between Biden and Trump. So whichever party manages to give people some other choice will win. That favors Harris. Another truism I have heard a lot this year is that whoever this election is about will lose. Right now the election is about Trump, and four more years of crazy, I think. Even all this stuff about how the polls are wrong and Trump will of course win, maybe by a landslide, makes it about Trump. I think that actually favors Harris. You're for sure right that I am trying to convince myself Harris will win. Stated differently, I am NOT a Republican. Right now it really does seem to boil down to two words that start with T: testicles, and testosterone. Trump definitely has the testicle vote. I mean real men. Not women, not pussies, not Gays, not transgender freaks. Real men who just know we are going to CRUSH that idiot bitch's ass. She's toast. We will CRUSH the idiot bitch. She is an idiot bitch loser, and we will fucking CRUSH her. Get it? That's cocky, pun intended. But other than the word "bitch", all that was said at the racism rally at MSG. Some guy yelled out she's an idiot, and Trump turned it into a riff. They may as well all have stood up and grabbed their balls. More fun than raising your hand and chanting "Heil Hitler." I have convinced myself that it will be sweet when these cocky guys lose. It's the equivalent of bragging about your cock size, and how big your loads are. But it turns out you are actually impotent. Poor things. Fuck em. They deserve it. The reality is that nobody knows. I think we can stop with Karl Rove and David Axelrod. They won four elections in a row. They do have testicles, I imagine. But they are proud of their brains. And they are saying they do not have a fucking clue. Rove, and other data freaks, are saying anyone reaching conclusions based on higher Republican vote by mail is probably wrong. Because it will take several cycles of Republicans embracing vote by mail to know what the new normal is. So the guys with the big balls are just talking shit. It will be deeply emotionally satisfying when their testicles get them absolutely nowhere. Dems see signs for optimism in gender gap in early vote Across battlegrounds, there is a 10-point gender gap in early voting so far, according to a POLITICO analysis. Lichtman has the prediction system I have the most faith in, given his track record. But on this one I will go with Michael Moore. He's got testicles, too. But on this issue I would rather view him as the crazy aunt in the attic who somehow is always right. In 2016 he was ranting crazy shit about how pissed off people in Michigan would vote for Trump. In 2022 he pissed all over the idea of the red wave. Now his line is, "Do you actually know any women? Have you talked to them about how they feel?" Quote Women account for roughly 55 percent of the early vote, while men are around 45 percent, according to a POLITICO analysis of early vote data in several key states. The implications for next week’s election results are unclear; among registered Republicans, women are voting early more than men, too. But the high female turnout is encouraging to Democratic strategists, who expected that a surge in Republican turnout would result in more gender parity among early voters. Quote “In some states women are actually exceeding their vote share from 2020, which is at this point shocking to me,” said Tom Bonier, a Democratic strategist and CEO of the data firm TargetSmart. “I never would have bet on that.” Again, if Rove and Axelrod don't know, nobody knows. Jen O'Malley Dillon, who is testicle-free, is wisely saying this is gonna be awful close folks. If you give the tiniest shit, better go vote. Happily, I did yesterday. Usually I mail it in. But this time I took it to City Hall just to make sure. What sucks for me is I had to vote for Raul Ruiz, my Democratic incumbent House member who will win in a landslide. If I lived a mile away I could have voted for Will Rollins. I did send him as much money as I could. It has been clear for months that Trump's poll numbers depend on a lot of people who usually don't vote, or have never voted. Many of whom are men. So he is pushing the testicle vote hard. But what if it turns out real men don't vote? That article says there is no evidence yet that real men who talk shit and cum hard and often are actually turning out to vote for Trump in droves. I have read several times over the years that Obama's win in 2012 was absolutely grounded in epic Black voting. Obama won Independents in 2008 and lost them in 2012. So something had to offset losses among Whites and Independents. What I did not know is that Team Romney went into Election Day thinking they had it in the bag. The theory of the case, stated recently by people like Steve Schmidt who would know, was that in 2012 Obama could not possibly exceed the Black vote he got in 2008. But he did. And that election was not particularly close. There is a lot of talk about the Black vote right now, and how that doesn't look good for Harris. But I think what it boils down to in 2024 is that Harris needs women to win. She needs a wave of women. And if she gets that, she wins. And it certainly looks like it is possible. I've said mildly patronizing shit for years to some of the best women organizers around, who are friends, about how organizing women is different than organizing men. Especially if they have kids, and it involves their kids. Women would slit their wrists if they needed to protect their children. They will certainly go vote. So if Harris needs suburban women to go vote, that very fact in itself favors her. This is theory. But it squares with reality. In 2022 the poll average said Whitmer would win by 5 points. The last Trafalgar poll, which favors Republicans, said her race was tied. Whitmer won by 10.5 %. It was a wall of women. Same pattern in Wisconsin. Evers was supposed to lose, narrowly. He won by 3.5 %. Same pattern in Pennsylvania. Shapiro was supposed to win by 10. He won by 15. Maybe what matters more in 2024 is all this testicle vote that is just yearning to have Trump in power. Or maybe real men are all talk, and they don't vote. They didn't perform in 2022. Poor things. Impotent! That was right after inflation peaked at 10 %. I think it is just a fact that in Fall 2022 the average American, especially the average working class American, had lost ground in the last few years due to inflation. Now they have gained at least a little ground since 2020, thanks to low inflation and rising wages and low unemployment. The misery index (inflation + unemployment) was 7.8 % when Biden took over. It is now 6.5 %. The economy is better now. I am trying to convince myself Harris will win. And I think it is working. I really do think Harris will win. And it will be because of a wave of women. Too soon to know. But it seems to be happening right now. Quote
Members Suckrates Posted October 31 Members Posted October 31 46 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said: The key word there is "base". His base is not 48 % of the electorate. That's the number many people, like Plouffe, argue is his ceiling. That includes a lot of people who will NOT eat shit for Trump. But they do feel the economy has been shit under Biden. I think that does matter. If Harris wins, the good play is to be graceful. Especially to people who were on the edge of the knife and tilted Trump's way because they just feel the last four years sucked. If Trump wins, I know for sure my anger goes deeper. We're at rage. I don't think these feelings are unique to me. Funny timing reading your post. Just got off the phone with a friend I have not spoken with in a long time. He is a Democrat who lives in SF and deeply dislikes the homelessness and open air drug dealing. At one point a while back he did say that if Trump promised to clean up the homelessness, and had what sounded like a real plan, he would consider voting for Trump. I assumed that was just venting, and he did not mean it. So his brief take on the election was like yours and mine. Horror and shock that Trump could even be a serious candidate. So you have some big chunk of America that is at Defcon 1 who feels like this is a fucking nightmare. And it is war. I think this favors Harris. One truism I have heard a lot this year is that people really dislike choosing between Biden and Trump. So whichever party manages to give people some other choice will win. That favors Harris. Another truism I have heard a lot this year is that whoever this election is about will lose. Right now the election is about Trump, and four more years of crazy, I think. Even all this stuff about how the polls are wrong and Trump will of course win, maybe by a landslide, makes it about Trump. I think that actually favors Harris. You're for sure right that I am trying to convince myself Harris will win. Stated differently, I am NOT a Republican. Right now it really does seem to boil down to two words that start with T: testicles, and testosterone. Trump definitely has the testicle vote. I mean real men. Not women, not pussies, not Gays, not transgender freaks. Real men who just know we are going to CRUSH that idiot bitch's ass. She's toast. We will CRUSH the idiot bitch. She is an idiot bitch loser, and we will fucking CRUSH her. Get it? That's cocky, pun intended. But other than the word "bitch", all that was said at the racism rally at MSG. Some guy yelled out she's an idiot, and Trump turned it into a riff. They may as well all have stood up and grabbed their balls. More fun than raising your hand and chanting "Heil Hitler." I have convinced myself that it will be sweet when these cocky guys lose. It's the equivalent of bragging about your cock size, and how big your loads are. But it turns out you are actually impotent. Poor things. Fuck em. They deserve it. The reality is that nobody knows. I think we can stop with Karl Rove and David Axelrod. They won four elections in a row. They do have testicles, I imagine. But they are proud of their brains. And they are saying they do not have a fucking clue. Rove, and other data freaks, are saying anyone reaching conclusions based on higher Republican vote by mail is probably wrong. Because it will take several cycles of Republicans embracing vote by mail to know what the new normal is. So the guys with the big balls are just talking shit. It will be deeply emotionally satisfying when their testicles get them absolutely nowhere. Dems see signs for optimism in gender gap in early vote Across battlegrounds, there is a 10-point gender gap in early voting so far, according to a POLITICO analysis. Lichtman has the prediction system I have the most faith in, given his track record. But on this one I will go with Michael Moore. He's got testicles, too. But on this issue I would rather view him as the crazy aunt in the attic who somehow is always right. In 2016 he was ranting crazy shit about how pissed off people in Michigan would vote for Trump. In 2022 he pissed all over the idea of the red wave. Now his line is, "Do you actually know any women? Have you talked to them about how they feel?" Again, if Rove and Axelrod don't know, nobody knows. Jen O'Malley Dillon, who is testicle-free, is wisely saying this is gonna be awful close folks. If you give the tiniest shit, better go vote. Happily, I did yesterday. Usually I mail it in. But this time I took it to City Hall just to make sure. What sucks for me is I had to vote for Raul Ruiz, my Democratic incumbent House member who will win in a landslide. If I lived a mile away I could have voted for Will Rollins. I did send him as much money as I could. It has been clear for months that Trump's poll numbers depend on a lot of people who usually don't vote, or have never voted. Many of whom are men. So he is pushing the testicle vote hard. But what if it turns out real men don't vote? That article says there is no evidence yet that real men who talk shit and cum hard and often are actually turning out to vote for Trump in droves. I have read several times over the years that Obama's win in 2012 was absolutely grounded in epic Black voting. Obama won Independents in 2008 and lost them in 2012. So something had to offset losses among Whites and Independents. What I did not know is that Team Romney went into Election Day thinking they had it in the bag. The theory of the case, stated recently by people like Steve Schmidt who would know, was that in 2012 Obama could not possibly exceed the Black vote he got in 2008. But he did. And that election was not particularly close. There is a lot of talk about the Black vote right now, and how that doesn't look good for Harris. But I think what it boils down to in 2024 is that Harris needs women to win. She needs a wave of women. And if she gets that, she wins. And it certainly looks like it is possible. I've said mildly patronizing shit for years to some of the best women organizers around, who are friends, about how organizing women is different than organizing men. Especially if they have kids, and it involves their kids. Women would slit their wrists if they needed to protect their children. They will certainly go vote. So if Harris needs suburban women to go vote, that very fact in itself favors her. This is theory. But it squares with reality. In 2022 the poll average said Whitmer would win by 5 points. The last Trafalgar poll, which favors Republicans, said her race was tied. Whitmer won by 10.5 %. It was a wall of women. Same pattern in Wisconsin. Evers was supposed to lose, narrowly. He won by 3.5 %. Same pattern in Pennsylvania. Shapiro was supposed to win by 10. He won by 15. Maybe what matters more in 2024 is all this testicle vote that is just yearning to have Trump in power. Or maybe real men are all talk, and they don't vote. They didn't perform in 2022. Poor things. Impotent! That was right after inflation peaked at 10 %. I think it is just a fact that in Fall 2022 the average American, especially the average working class American, had lost ground in the last few years due to inflation. Now they have gained at least a little ground since 2020, thanks to low inflation and rising wages and low unemployment. The misery index (inflation + unemployment) was 7.8 % when Biden took over. It is now 6.5 %. The economy is better now. I am trying to convince myself Harris will win. And I think it is working. I really do think Harris will win. And it will be because of a wave of women. Too soon to know. But it seems to be happening right now. BROS for Trump ! stevenkesslar 1 Quote
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EmmetK Posted November 7 Posted November 7 They'll be fine. When President Trump promises to Make America Great Again, that includes the LGBT community. When America becomes great again, we will all be richer, safer and better off. TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted November 7 Author Posted November 7 3 hours ago, EmmetK said: They'll be fine. When President Trump promises to Make America Great Again, that includes the LGBT community. When America becomes great again, we will all be richer, safer and better off. TRUMP2024 MAGA Even the government employees who will be fired because they aren't "loyalists"? Quote
EmmetK Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Bingo T Dog said: Even the government employees who will be fired because they aren't "loyalists"? Of course President Trump wants people who are loyal to him running the hundreds of government agencies and departments. Anyone who can be fired will be fired. The deep state needs to be cleaned out from top to bottom, especially all of the holdovers from the Obama and Dementia Joe Biden administrations. That job may fall on Elon Musk. That's a guy from the business world who can shape the new administration and run it like a successful business. Streamlined and efficient. To do that, all resistance from within must be eliminated. TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted November 7 Author Posted November 7 16 minutes ago, EmmetK said: Of course President Trump wants people who are loyal to him running the hundreds of government agencies and departments. Anyone who can be fired will be fired. The deep state needs to be cleaned out from top to bottom, especially all of the holdovers from the Obama and Dementia Joe Biden administrations. That job may fall on Elon Musk. That's a guy from the business world who can shape the new administration and run it like a successful business. Streamlined and efficient. To do that, all resistance from within must be eliminated. TRUMP2024 MAGA So not all members of the LGBT community will see America as GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY'LL BE UNEMPLOYED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
EmmetK Posted November 7 Posted November 7 The Obama and Dementia Joe holdovers, gay and straight, can get jobs with msn.com. They can use your name as a reference. TRUMP2024 MAGA Quote