Safety

[Olddaddy]

Look I'm not the first one to advise you of safety when meeting guys ,I have been stung🐝 more than many times

I always remember reading a  post by christianPLC regarding a boy he chatted to on one of the apps .

The boy has asked him to send money to him FIRST before meeting ,I thought that never happened 

Lo & behold next day I had a gorgeous boy asking for money upfront he said he needs 500b for taxi fare first 

His location was showing 12 miles away ...I refused,the next day I looked at his profile the pic had changed to a old Chinese guy who was 4000 miles away!

Another tip is to use the Grindr video call or WhatsApp before meeting 📸

I have Grindr Xtra ....there is a higher subscription called ... unlimited 

I'm not sure if you can make video call.on the free subscription?

Don't get too paranoid though ,not everyone is out to dud you 😁

[bkkmfj2648]

The need for safety can come at us unexpectedly.

I share this recent story with all of you as it:

• surprised me,
• came from someone that I thought that I could trust,
• had elements of desperation.

So, this guy that I know for more than 1 year has excellent edging skills - so whenever he would be in Pattaya I would hook up with him at my condo room for an edging session.

Then recently, while I was waiting for my 2 guys to arrive for my 4 hands massage - 10 minutes before the appointment, my doorbell rings and I open it and I see my edging guy at the door.  I said to him - that I cannot do edging right now because in 10 minutes 2 guys are arriving.  He apologized and asked me if I could give him 2.000 baht and that the next edging session would be free.  I probably have met with him 10 distinct times in the last year - so I did not think anything about it.

Next day, at 2:50am, my doorbell rings but I do not answer it - as I was in a dead sleep and I was not expecting anyone.  Later that day I told the condo security team about this incident and they told me that a guy came to them at 3am and told them that he accidently rang the wrong doorbell and apologized.  Again, I did not think anything was weird yet.

Then next day in the afternoon someone is knocking on the door incessantly - I had temporary disabled the electronic doorbell after the above incident.  I again ignored the door.  Later that evening my main massage friend came to visit me and I told him about this and he said to me - let us go downstairs and tell the security team and see if they will let us view the CCTV coverage.

Well, guess what - it was the edging guy and the security team told me that it was the same guy who apologized to them for ringing the doorbell of the "wrong" condo by accident.

Now we were all suspicious and the security team asked me to authorize them to block this guy from entering the building - which I did and like clockwork, he returned the next day - but this time he was blocked by the security team and threatened to be reported to the police.

It is a sad story - as I lost my favorite edger - but his desperation stemmed from his bank closing his bank account as Thailand has recently made moves to close many "mule" accounts - which is what I suspect happened to this edging guy - as he mentioned to me that he recently received a big transfer into his bank account from his supposed "Japanese boyfriend".....

But who knows - at least this problem is now gone for now and is an illuminating story about how people that we allow into our lives based onto trust can go weird on us and lose that trust that they had gained.

[Olddaddy]

Yes I have had similar 

 

 

[spoon]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

The need for safety can come at us unexpectedly.

I share this recent story with all of you as it:

• surprised me,
• came from someone that I thought that I could trust,
• had elements of desperation.

So, this guy that I know for more than 1 year has excellent edging skills - so whenever he would be in Pattaya I would hook up with him at my condo room for an edging session.

Then recently, while I was waiting for my 2 guys to arrive for my 4 hands massage - 10 minutes before the appointment, my doorbell rings and I open it and I see my edging guy at the door.  I said to him - that I cannot do edging right now because in 10 minutes 2 guys are arriving.  He apologized and asked me if I could give him 2.000 baht and that the next edging session would be free.  I probably have met with him 10 distinct times in the last year - so I did not think anything about it.

Next day, at 2:50am, my doorbell rings but I do not answer it - as I was in a dead sleep and I was not expecting anyone.  Later that day I told the condo security team about this incident and they told me that a guy came to them at 3am and told them that he accidently rang the wrong doorbell and apologized.  Again, I did not think anything was weird yet.

Then next day in the afternoon someone is knocking on the door incessantly - I had temporary disabled the electronic doorbell after the above incident.  I again ignored the door.  Later that evening my main massage friend came to visit me and I told him about this and he said to me - let us go downstairs and tell the security team and see if they will let us view the CCTV coverage.

Well, guess what - it was the edging guy and the security team told me that it was the same guy who apologized to them for ringing the doorbell of the "wrong" condo by accident.

Now we were all suspicious and the security team asked me to authorize them to block this guy from entering the building - which I did and like clockwork, he returned the next day - but this time he was blocked by the security team and threatened to be reported to the police.

It is a sad story - as I lost my favorite edger - but his desperation stemmed from his bank closing his bank account as Thailand has recently made moves to close many "mule" accounts - which is what I suspect happened to this edging guy - as he mentioned to me that he recently received a big transfer into his bank account from his supposed "Japanese boyfriend".....

But who knows - at least this problem is now gone for now and is an illuminating story about how people that we allow into our lives based onto trust can go weird on us and lose that trust that they had gained.

Did he not have your contact info? Seems like he is very desperate and that is scary.

[Keithambrose]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

The need for safety can come at us unexpectedly.

I share this recent story with all of you as it:

• surprised me,
• came from someone that I thought that I could trust,
• had elements of desperation.

So, this guy that I know for more than 1 year has excellent edging skills - so whenever he would be in Pattaya I would hook up with him at my condo room for an edging session.

Then recently, while I was waiting for my 2 guys to arrive for my 4 hands massage - 10 minutes before the appointment, my doorbell rings and I open it and I see my edging guy at the door.  I said to him - that I cannot do edging right now because in 10 minutes 2 guys are arriving.  He apologized and asked me if I could give him 2.000 baht and that the next edging session would be free.  I probably have met with him 10 distinct times in the last year - so I did not think anything about it.

Next day, at 2:50am, my doorbell rings but I do not answer it - as I was in a dead sleep and I was not expecting anyone.  Later that day I told the condo security team about this incident and they told me that a guy came to them at 3am and told them that he accidently rang the wrong doorbell and apologized.  Again, I did not think anything was weird yet.

Then next day in the afternoon someone is knocking on the door incessantly - I had temporary disabled the electronic doorbell after the above incident.  I again ignored the door.  Later that evening my main massage friend came to visit me and I told him about this and he said to me - let us go downstairs and tell the security team and see if they will let us view the CCTV coverage.

Well, guess what - it was the edging guy and the security team told me that it was the same guy who apologized to them for ringing the doorbell of the "wrong" condo by accident.

Now we were all suspicious and the security team asked me to authorize them to block this guy from entering the building - which I did and like clockwork, he returned the next day - but this time he was blocked by the security team and threatened to be reported to the police.

It is a sad story - as I lost my favorite edger - but his desperation stemmed from his bank closing his bank account as Thailand has recently made moves to close many "mule" accounts - which is what I suspect happened to this edging guy - as he mentioned to me that he recently received a big transfer into his bank account from his supposed "Japanese boyfriend".....

But who knows - at least this problem is now gone for now and is an illuminating story about how people that we allow into our lives based onto trust can go weird on us and lose that trust that they had gained.

I am based in UK, and have a small group of regulars that I enjoy. There have been odd occasions, in the past, when I was using one offs where I was stung by guys asking for 50% up front. Since I ask guys to come to my place, I understand  that they may be reluctant  to come to a house for the first time. Usually  I will agree a small figure to cover fares, if asked.

 

With my regulars,  however, I am inclined to consider helping, if they are guys I have known  a long time, also if they are on an escort site where you can leave reviews, that's an additional safeguard. I agree though it's always a risk. I've had 2 guys say they were short, £200, could I send them cash, next visit free. Both turned up as requested. I actually gave them a tip for being honest!

 

I took a big chance on a guy who screwed  up his Uni fees, I agreed to pay against  a year of free visits! A hell of a risk, and not recommended,  but I had a close relationship with this guy, I thought. Indeed, all turned out fine, and I still see him regularly, 3 years later. OK, luck involved, but I thought, I like the guy, I can afford it, why not! We're  sort of friends, talk about families, etc, though I'm not kidding myself,  it's basically  a commercial relationship!

[bkkmfj2648]

22 minutes ago, spoon said:

Did he not have your contact info?

yes, I had to block him on Grindr and LINE.

regarding the fear part - I never saw him as being someone to be fearful from.

but when he explained to me that his bank took away his access to his bank account - I could see his desperation in his eyes and that scared me.

[bkkmfj2648]

5 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

also if they are on an escort site where you can leave reviews, that's an additional safeguard. I agree though it's always a risk.

@Keithambrose - thanks for sharing your experiences - as I can definitely relate to them.

Back when I lived in Europe (Italy and then Hungary) this was a nice way to gain trust - because for those that were trusted more you could tell by the ratings that said escort received.  In Budapest, on PlanetRomeo, they went one step further - there was 1 or 2 guys who had Romeo profiles where the sole purpose was to review the local escorts via their comments section within their profiles.  Unfortunately, in Budapest, there is a high percentage of gypsies, where the trust issue can be delicate - even if they are sometimes super hot guys.  So, I often relied on these 2 Romeo profiles to gain information about potential questionable offs from Hunqz.

Unfortunately, here in LOS (Thailand) there is no such thing, as we tend to meet our guys at:

• the host bars,
• gogo bars,
• apps - Grindr, Hornet, Heesay, etcetra
• beach,
• volleyball.

so, there is no way to filter like we had in Europe - but to be honest - I have NEVER felt the potential for physical violence or danger - except for this one case that I wrote about in this thread - and in that case it never went that far.

[Keithambrose]

14 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

@Keithambrose - thanks for sharing your experiences - as I can definitely relate to them.

Back when I lived in Europe (Italy and then Hungary) this was a nice way to gain trust - because for those that were trusted more you could tell by the ratings that said escort received.  In Budapest, on PlanetRomeo, they went one step further - there was 1 or 2 guys who had Romeo profiles where the sole purpose was to review the local escorts via their comments section within their profiles.  Unfortunately, in Budapest, there is a high percentage of gypsies, where the trust issue can be delicate - even if they are sometimes super hot guys.  So, I often relied on these 2 Romeo profiles to gain information about potential questionable offs from Hunqz.

Unfortunately, here in LOS (Thailand) there is no such thing, as we tend to meet our guys at:

• the host bars,
• gogo bars,
• apps - Grindr, Hornet, Heesay, etcetra
• beach,
• volleyball.

so, there is no way to filter like we had in Europe - but to be honest - I have NEVER felt the potential for physical violence or danger - except for this one case that I wrote about in this thread - and in that case it never went that far.

Tha is for your comments. I Bangkok,  I usually use grindr, go go bars,  or massage parlours.  There is one guy I used several times, but that is the exception. I only do ST. I've been lucky over the years, all the Grindr guys, bar one, looked like their pics, and performed.  Ditto bars, and massage. Like you, no issues as to safety.

 

I hope my luck holds in November,  when I am dipping a toe, and perhaps more, into the water of Pattaya!

[khaolakguy]

3 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Unfortunately, in Budapest, there is a high percentage of gypsies, where the trust issue can be delicate 

When I lived in Budapest with my dark skinned Thai partner, he was often taken for a "gypsy" and was sometimes treated badly as a result. He couldn't go into a shopping centre on his own without being closely followed by security who assumed because of his appearance that he was only there to steal. He once got chased across a car park by a gang of Hungarians shouting abuse. Fortunately he could run fast.

There are a lot of racist hungarians and there are even good "gypsies". Let's not damn them all. 

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

 

But who knows - at least this problem is now gone for now 

hopefully but watch your back for a while, just in case . You mentioned desperation.....

[omega]

It's not only with MBs. 

Sometimes people you treasure as friends will take money from you and drop out of your life to avoid repaying.

But... sometimes the risk pays off.

[vinapu]

5 minutes ago, omega said:

It's not only with MBs. 

Sometimes people you treasure as friends will take money from you and drop out of your life to avoid repaying.

 

as they say never lend money to a friend, you will lose both

[Keithambrose]

2 minutes ago, vinapu said:

as they say never lend money to a friend, you will lose both

'Never a borrower or a lender be', as Polonius put it some 450 years ago!

[Keithambrose]

4 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

When I lived in Budapest with my dark skinned Thai partner, he was often taken for a "gypsy" and was sometimes treated badly as a result. He couldn't go into a shopping centre on his own without being closely followed by security who assumed because of his appearance that he was only there to steal. He once got chased across a car park by a gang of Hungarians shouting abuse. Fortunately he could run fast.

There are a lot of racist hungarians and there are even good "gypsies". Let's not damn them all. 

I think Khaolak guy was just saying be cautious, no more than that.

[Keithambrose]

Just now, Keithambrose said:

I think Khaolak guy was just saying be cautious, no more than that.

Sorry, bbkmf said........

[Keithambrose]

8 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

@Keithambrose - thanks for sharing your experiences - as I can definitely relate to them.

Back when I lived in Europe (Italy and then Hungary) this was a nice way to gain trust - because for those that were trusted more you could tell by the ratings that said escort received.  In Budapest, on PlanetRomeo, they went one step further - there was 1 or 2 guys who had Romeo profiles where the sole purpose was to review the local escorts via their comments section within their profiles.  Unfortunately, in Budapest, there is a high percentage of gypsies, where the trust issue can be delicate - even if they are sometimes super hot guys.  So, I often relied on these 2 Romeo profiles to gain information about potential questionable offs from Hunqz.

Unfortunately, here in LOS (Thailand) there is no such thing, as we tend to meet our guys at:

• the host bars,
• gogo bars,
• apps - Grindr, Hornet, Heesay, etcetra
• beach,
• volleyball.

so, there is no way to filter like we had in Europe - but to be honest - I have NEVER felt the potential for physical violence or danger - except for this one case that I wrote about in this thread - and in that case it never went that far.

It also works the other way round. Sometimes I have not had the money to pay a guy, either forgot wallet or whatever. I say that either I will pay them next time, or do a Bank transfer.  So far the relevant guy has been happy with that, and I always pay! Again, it helps if it's a regular!

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

'Never a borrower or a lender be', as Polonius put it some 450 years ago!

is he still alive I wonder? I know Hamlet died while ago though

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

Sometimes I have not had the money to pay a guy, either forgot wallet or whatever.

you are stressing your guys out

[bkkmfj2648]

11 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

There are a lot of racist hungarians and there are even good "gypsies". Let's not damn them all. 

Dear @khaolakguy,

It was not my intention to damn the gypsies.  I apologize if my comment came across that way in my above response to @Olddaddy OP.

I lived for a total of 8 years in Budapest - and I had many great adventures with the local gypsies.

Unfortunately, there is an bad element within the gypsy community that gives the greater gypsy community a bad rap and name.

On 2 occasions I was a victim as follows:

1. I chatted with 2 hot gypsies posing as a gay couple for a 4 hands massage.  They invited me to their place and we had some beverages together and then moved to the bed where I started to play with them and them with me - but I became super sleepy and I passed out.  When I woke up later, the 2 guys were looking at me in the bedroom and asked me if I was ok.  I felt terribly weak and told them that I am sorry but I must go home.  I could barely drive my car back to my place.  Later when I was home, I discovered that I had been robbed - as my wallet was much lighter than when I arrived at their place.  Did I report this to the Hungarian police?  No, because unfortunately back then in Hungary there was not much sympathy for us gays with the Hungarian police - especially if I had to tell them that I solicited sex from 2 gypsies - so, I let it go, and counted my blessings that nothing bad happened to me physically.  Most likely they drugged my beverage and that is why I passed out on their bed.
2. I had a small party at my home and one of my work colleagues asked me if she could invite 2 of her gypsy friends to my place.  It was just the 4 of us.  They were great fun guys and we had a great evening.  Then the next day after taking a shower I realized that some of my deodorants and perfumes were missing.  This really irritated me as it was a petty theft and again I let it go.  I did tell my work colleague to be careful with them in her house and she told me that I needed to be more tolerant of gypsies as they have to struggle in Hungary.

Did I still continue to frequent gypsies?  Should I let 4 gypsies ruin the basket of gypsy apples?

NO

I was just more prudent with my future encounters with gypsies - as mentioned above - I used the PlanetRomeo 2 profiles that reviewed various gypsy profiles to determine who was good and who was bad.  I became friends with a couple of cool gypsies and I used them as my proxies to have them introduce me to other sexy gypsies who could be trusted and that led to many additional hot sexy encounters - as I find that some gypsies can be very attractive, as they have a tendency to be super manly and full of excess testosterone - which turns me on.

 

[Keithambrose]

7 hours ago, vinapu said:

is he still alive I wonder? I know Hamlet died while ago though

He's certainly getting on a bit!

[spoon]

Ive had few occasions where when it comes to money missing, i chalked it up to lesson learnt, expensive but whats done is done. Count my blessing as those missing money wasnt a lot, and barely interfere with my life as it is, but nevertheless, couldve been spent better on more deserving guys. Very recently, i have two incidents, one i belief happens in thailand, while another happen back home. 

Both incident happened during a massage. While what happened in thailand couldve been worst as i was only missing few pieces of notes, rather than whole wallet, the one happened back home was much more significant. However, in both cases, i did not realized that they took my money until i was back home/hotel. In thailand case, i cant really pinpoint if its really happened during massage, or maybe i just dropped it somewhere as ive been using my wallet few times that day. But the one back home, its much more obvious coz i havent use my wallet at all before or after the massage. 

Anyway, bringing just enough cash with you whenever you go to massage place, or any place where you will have to remove your pants and wallets, out of sight, is the lesson learnt here. Silver lining is, both massage session was actually great. Both cases, the guy lost what id say a steady stream of income as i tend to go to the same guys of known quality (become regular as they say it), for their "quick income". I expect neither guys will have much luck having repeat customers and soon enough, wont be getting any customers at all if that is how they operate.

While ive let bygone be bygone, doesnt mean what they did is forgiven. Hope karma bites then back in the ass some day. 

On the other hand, ive had guys who told me they had been cheated by customers too. 

Also, for the case that happen back home, I did share the story and info on the thief in a local group to warn others about him and avoid them. 

As for the one that happened in thailand, since i cant be sure what really happened, i wont share the details.

[Olddaddy]

4 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Dear @khaolakguy,

It was not my intention to damn the gypsies.  I apologize if my comment came across that way in my above response to @Olddaddy OP.

I lived for a total of 8 years in Budapest - and I had many great adventures with the local gypsies.

Unfortunately, there is an bad element within the gypsy community that gives the greater gypsy community a bad rap and name.

On 2 occasions I was a victim as follows:

1. I chatted with 2 hot gypsies posing as a gay couple for a 4 hands massage.  They invited me to their place and we had some beverages together and then moved to the bed where I started to play with them and them with me - but I became super sleepy and I passed out.  When I woke up later, the 2 guys were looking at me in the bedroom and asked me if I was ok.  I felt terribly weak and told them that I am sorry but I must go home.  I could barely drive my car back to my place.  Later when I was home, I discovered that I had been robbed - as my wallet was much lighter than when I arrived at their place.  Did I report this to the Hungarian police?  No, because unfortunately back then in Hungary there was not much sympathy for us gays with the Hungarian police - especially if I had to tell them that I solicited sex from 2 gypsies - so, I let it go, and counted my blessings that nothing bad happened to me physically.  Most likely they drugged my beverage and that is why I passed out on their bed.
2. I had a small party at my home and one of my work colleagues asked me if she could invite 2 of her gypsy friends to my place.  It was just the 4 of us.  They were great fun guys and we had a great evening.  Then the next day after taking a shower I realized that some of my deodorants and perfumes were missing.  This really irritated me as it was a petty theft and again I let it go.  I did tell my work colleague to be careful with them in her house and she told me that I needed to be more tolerant of gypsies as they have to struggle in Hungary.

Did I still continue to frequent gypsies?  Should I let 4 gypsies ruin the basket of gypsy apples?

NO

I was just more prudent with my future encounters with gypsies - as mentioned above - I used the PlanetRomeo 2 profiles that reviewed various gypsy profiles to determine who was good and who was bad.  I became friends with a couple of cool gypsies and I used them as my proxies to have them introduce me to other sexy gypsies who could be trusted and that led to many additional hot sexy encounters - as I find that some gypsies can be very attractive, as they have a tendency to be super manly and full of excess testosterone - which turns me on.

 

The most important thing is do these  "gypsies" have big dicks?

I don't know what gypsies are because I'm in Australia although I did read lately there was a team of Irish gypsies scamming people in Sydney with trades work etc 

Must be gypsies with Irish accent 😂

 

[sydneyboy1]

I recall a post on the old Cruising for Sex site about 10 years ago. This guy met a go go boy in Pattaya and they had a fling and the boy asked this guy to accompany him to his home in the country side to meet his family.

On arrival the boys mother announced that the refrigerator was broken and would he kindly buy a new one. This guy readily agreed and the boy said he would write his name in texta on the side of the refrigerator to remember their love. 

He was alone in the house for a brief period and noticed on the side of the stove the name of a foreigner. Then he looked at other electrical appliances. The bottom line was every appliance had the name of a foreigner written in texta.

I sent him a PM and told him the story made my day. The Thais certainly know how to charm. We visitors to Thailand want good sex and they want money or in the case in question goods. I for one have no romantic delusions to the contrary. We should always be on guard.
 

[vinapu]

27 minutes ago, sydneyboy1 said:

I for one have no romantic delusions to the contrary. We should always be on guard.
 

as they say ' if you want love in Thailand, rent it"

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, spoon said:

 

Anyway, bringing just enough cash with you whenever you go to massage place, or any place where you will have to remove your pants and wallets, out of sight, is the lesson learnt here.

that is very sound advice to be followed by everybody. Not only mitigates  possible loss by theft but also limits our spending in case we get too excited and start buying drinks to everybody and his brother-in-law.

I never miss an opportunity to say that in my, now 35 trips to Thailand I never had  any loss from the room , other than may be beer drunk from the fridge. Considering that I mainly off long time with inevitable period of sleep that attests well to the honesty of guys we hire there. Only case I had money missed was somewhere between Hero and my room  so either it was pulled from my pocket by thief (not necessarily Thai , mind you ) on crowded train or I just dropped it accidentally when buying a ticket on the station