This time bit different - trip to Thailand in August 2024

[vinapu]

25 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

Guys, the reason for their frustrating (deceitful?) behavior is right in front of u. 

At least 3 members shared such experiences, and reported paying them in full. Why shouldnt they continue with a method that works for them? Within their peer gossip they probably refer 2 such clients with the Thai term for "suckers".

 

at first look you may be right but it's still too simplistic and smells pre-conceived notion more than cold analysis.

 With 33 trip so far before that one  I never  encountered deceit in such masse and yes , occasionally in the past I rewarded bad behaviour still with tip agreed.

Reason is simple - bad behavior is  ( was ? ) extremely rare and commotion resulting from it may be not worth the trouble.  In Nov 2014 report I described in detail my worst off ever , situation with boy who refused to undress and get off the phone for 40 minutes before I kicked him out and he still demanded full tip even audaciously called mamasan enlisting her help. As result of commotion whole Om Yim hotel was put on middle of the night alarm and it still cost me 1000 baht to calm him down ( we agreed on 2000 in the bar). Saving even 2000 was not worth an experience.

Second is that , as we will hear in following days , some boys gladly accept or even suggest you reduce their tip, only to be released  much sooner than agreed. Money is saved but experience spoiled. I like LT and guy going home in the morning after breakfast together when I tell him he is free. This is what I go there for and what I'm prepared to pay for it as well.

Issue for me is not money , is wasted opportunity.

as peer gossip , for sure they talk to each other about clinets the same way we talk about them here but again , I have hard time to buy that explanation since all deceivers this trip  were new hires for me and , as we learn soon , coming from bars where  I must have good record with multiple , trouble free hires like Moonlight, Tawan and Hot Male. Who from there would instruct them to threat me as sucker when other their boys  are great to excellent ?

[vinapu]

19 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

I apologize if I annoyed u )-:

you didn't , relax. Perhaps my response was too dense.

In general friends don't need to agree on everything anyways.

[12is12]

Naturally, I defer 2 ur VAST experience

[vinapu]

19 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

Naturally, I defer 2 ur VAST experience

sadly VAST did not do much good for me last 2 weeks, lol (through the tears and screams). 

[vinapu]

Day 3

 Today my forum friend and me treated ourselves with 350 baht buffet breakfast in LK hotel. Very nice but on my side bit of extravagant as I was not even that hungry so I did  not utilize their excellent offerings in full.

Better part came on our way back as my friend opted for foot massage and I decided to try it as well , first time in my long an happy life. We entered some nice looking shop on Beach Rd and lady there seeing poor state of my feet suggested “ two ladies , one massage one foot repair “. Smart business and they worked hard to earn shop’s fee and their tips.

Lazy afternoon with some strolls toward Tukcom and jet lag induced nap in the room. It was darkening when I went to 7/11 to buy some beer as I , true to what I said above decided I’m there to get fun , not to get  even decided to invite the same boy for third night in row. Knowing what happened  previous two night I did not had any extravagant hopes.

 Send him a Line about my plans of taking him and immediately got happy response with thank you and smiley face

When   back in the room I realized that 7/11 gave me 80 baht change too much . I don’t get rich from keeping it but girl at cash may get poorer so right away I went back to return money. On my way I met Dreamboys mamasan and pay her 500 off fee asking to keep boy for me until I come  at midnight to pick him up. By time I was back in the room I got another message that he knows about it already.

 At 7 pm we went to Dicks at Jomtien Complex to meet bkkmfj for dinner . No prize for guessing what I had. Nice and long conversation then stroll through Complex, most bars were very sparsely patronized so we were greeted enthusiastically while passing by. I even noticed one handsome , long legged guy sitting in front of one bar and thought if I were in Pattaya longer I’d be glad  to get bit closer to those legs and see what’s between them.

But generally boys there are neither my friend’s nor mine type and we decided to go back to Boyztown to see again show at XBoys at 11.00. Very progressive one with some f…k on customer’s lap by circulating couple , plenty of skin visible and great fun.

 Just before midnight we crossed the soi to Dreamboys where I called my guy immediately  over for a drink, my friend also found some suitable drinking companion. Not long after we were seen marching ( did you hear that floridarob?) to our hotel.

It may raise many a brew questioning why I offed again boy who kind of deceived me last two nights. Reason is plain and simple , we got along great, conversation was interesting and bed activities very rewarding so social , so to speak part was extremely pleasant and rewarding  on all three occasions. It was business part which was disappointing and today was no exception.

First we talked about him visiting me in Bangkok after I return from Cambodia, he had only one  condition, I will pick him up from the airport which is easy task. I liked idea very much since as I said I liked his company although because of goings last two evenings I treated it as distant possibility rather than firm , hope generating commitment. Then he asked if I can give him 2000 more than we agreed.

 No problem said I  but only if you stay with me till morning – I like an idea of paradise. Then we proceed  to stamp collection activities and when done, again almost on the dot at 2 he said he must go citing some reason of dubious validity. I tried to offer him 1000 extra just for 1 hr longer but he was firm , 2000 is ok he said , I need to go. So much about need for money expressed 2 hours earlier.

 Whole thing was very mysterious, false promises of longer stay  without any desire of keeping them, very punctual departure and yet trying to fish more money. What was the reason I don’t know, jealous boyfriend / girlfriend, some medicine to take at the same time, somebody at home to take care of, no idea ?

  On another had as I said , social and bed part were extremely pleasant and rewarding. It reminded me Cambodian Prince fiasco from Jan 2023, equally charming and also trying to extract money without much of commitment to earn them. So I was left alone in the room with vague hope he may show up in Bangkok for few days together my assessed probability of it happening was between  zero and nil. We will see who was right when I return from Phnom Penh. So I finished day 3 satisfied but not happy.

[18past19]

22 hours ago, vinapu said:

Nice dinner with forum friend in the seaside restaurant at mouth of Walking Street.

Though food was passable, I really like its location. Thank you vinapu. 

[bkkmfj2648]

11 minutes ago, vinapu said:

What was the reason I don’t know, jealous boyfriend / girlfriend, some medicine to take at the same time, somebody at home to take care of, no idea ?

I believe that guy has a partner - as I encountered him on one of the apps here as I was hunting around for a 4 hands massage and I believe that he proposed to me to his partner - unfortunately, I did not pursue it as I was not interested in the person I believed to be his partner.

But I cannot confirm this but I believe this is why he could not stay with you past 2am....

[vinapu]

 

Day 4

My friend is going home and I’m going to Bangkok. Breakfast  together in Bay View restaurant on Brach rd. the we packed, Bolt was ordered and soon we were  on our way. At Swampy we parted ways hoping to see each other in Bangkok soon as we always have fun vacationing at the same time.  

Train to Silom , room in Raya was already available . It must be low season as they were quite strict with 3 p m check-in in the past , even in covid time. Then to XOne to exchange some money, I noticed drop in USD since my day of arrival so decided to exchange euros instead. Upon return I met by chance former Tawan boy now falling on hard times.

 He told me he sleeps in Lumpini somewhere so I gave him 60 baht to buy himself a snack. In front of Raya there was another beggar who greeted me in English and  feeling happy to be back in Bangkok I gave him 50 baht to which he reacted crying, serious.

In the room I collapsed on the bed, jet lag still holding me .And pretty strong as I woke up only at 9 pm. After sprucing myself I went to check realm of Patpong entertainment zone. In front of Tawan I saw twink I offed in May but did not go in – another member , big fan of Tawan is coming tomorrow and we already agreed we will go there together.

This time I decided to skip Jupiter , my usual bar on first evening and went to Hot Male with clear aim – to off S . After 3 nights of boys tricks I wanted somebody reliable, BS free and  of known , high quality.  Went down from the scene as soon as he saw me , like it was sure thing I came for him but more or less that was  a case.

Spotted few attractive boys and distributed few tips before we went to Foodland for a meal and then back to Raya.

Finally 97% satisfaction, I noticed he built up his muscles since May, fact he confirmed. 3% of discount is for skipping breakfast but at least he stay in the room sleeping , sexily uncovered.

Finally , on my 4^th night proper LT without drama, 4K very well earned. No , we did not discuss money, with exception of our first meeting from now gone New Twilight we never do.

[vinapu]

32 minutes ago, 18past19 said:

Though food was passable, I really like its location. Thank you vinapu. 

 

Food was passable but twinky waiter adorable.

I found that location because boy Arm  from Dreamboys , now gone to Phuket apparently,  invited me there in May. All I had to do was to  eat and pay the bill.

[vinapu]

23 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

I believe that guy has a partner - as I encountered him on one of the apps here as I was hunting around for a 4 hands massage and I believe that he proposed to me to his partner - unfortunately, I did not pursue it as I was not interested in the person I believed to be his partner.

But I cannot confirm this but I believe this is why he could not stay with you past 2am....

that's fine . I even understand false promise of LT  on the first night, just to secure deal. But on subsequent nights when he was sure to be offed ? That doesn't make any sense for me. In fact I asked him about boyfriend / girlfriend and he claimed to be single, again   I don't care about the truth. Strange case of extremely handsome and pleasing guy inventing stories where plain truth would suffice. Mystery for me but at least I have great memories of our meetings.  

[Shonen]

Maybe he wanted to get to jomtien soi 12. The partying starts about that time every night. I’ve had boys rush because they wanted to be there. One time I went with a guy and met his loa friends there.

[vinapu]

31 minutes ago, Shonen said:

Maybe he wanted to get to jomtien soi 12. The partying starts about that time every night. I’ve had boys rush because they wanted to be there. One time I went with a guy and met his loa friends there.

makes sense but still why lies about staying longer if he already got an off by me . Disclaimer ' I can stay till 2 "  would suffice

[vinapu]

 

Day  5  

 Quite nice weather today. Finally session finished as I like ( and pay for) with boy going home  when invited to do so.

In the afternoon massage with Nut in Maha in soi 6 . Charming  diminutive body builder. Reminded me he has birthday in a week and would like to have dinner with me for an occasion.

Tried to complain that few days earlier when he asked me when I’m coming to Thailand  I told him I don’t know yet. But got a message when I explained ‘ I told you what I wanted to tell “. Still jet lagged so in the afternoon 1 hr nap.

At 19.30 meeting in Foodland with newly arrived member from Taiwan. We agreed previously we will go to Tawan for inspection on his 1^st day so after catching on the latest gossip.

Around 10 on Sunday evening bar was full. Considering it’s size it’s not a difficult tax to fill it up. We were greeted enthusiastically, perhaps too enthusiastically. Few previous off descended on me immediately lowering briefs which was supposed to suggest tip and asking for drinks. OK, two of veterans of my many offs sat with me and got a drink. Show started shortly with usual numbers. After each segment performers are circulating , hoping for tips again. Done as always in friendly manner but at times annoying. I learned that former resident twink Mas the masseur , one of my favorites , works now in one of soi 6 shops.

I was very happy with twink I offed LT in May so asked him about repeat. Answer was business like , long time , no , short time 3000 and for 1 hr. only . Thanks God I know how is ‘no’ in English so used it . Too bad because I really liked an experience with him but at least no ticks but straightforward answer.

 Somebody reported recently that mamasan is trying to insert himself in off and tip negotiation., Annoying and unnecessary. Now they have another twink, quite skeletal at that but I kind of liked him and called him over, Other boys told me he is new hire and if I off him I’d be his first customer.

No harm done.  

Of course mamasan  intervened with request of 5000 tip LT for the boy. Ouch but I decided to go for it. After all novelty value, isn’t it?

Both boys sitting with me  were explaining something to him, I can only imagine giving him instructions of how great/stupid I’m. Short walk to Foodland to eat something . Big applause when we were leaving bar congratulating new guy his first hire. I kind of liked that.

In both restaurant and in the room later  it was clear  he doesn’t know  anything about his job description coupled with non existing English. Most expensive and most unresponsive sand bag in long time and as result  worst spent 5000 since Luisiana Purchase.

 At least I’m victim of myself I thought in the morning. Even in breakfast room it was clear he is complete novice to the scene and surrounding counties. Sending him home I thought about myself as charity with inclination to misspend money.

[Olddaddy]

On 9/8/2024 at 1:28 PM, vinapu said:

 This time it was repetitive  disaster to a point that last Saturday in the morning I caught myself  thinking, " o my God , still 5 days before I go home " instead of usual " O my God, only 5 more days and I need to go home". This even surprised myself

 

I had that those thoughts last April...but I'm coming back again.

What are those thoughts caused by ?

I have no idea... boredom perhaps? Same place ..same things ?

Any psychologists here?

[Olddaddy]

7 hours ago, vinapu said:

In Nov 2014 report I described in detail my worst off ever , situation with boy who refused to undress and get off the phone for 40 minutes before I kicked him out and he still demanded full tip even audaciously called mamasan enlisting her help. As result of commotion whole Om Yim hotel was put on middle of the night alarm and it still cost me 1000 baht to calm him down ( we agreed on 2000 in the bar). Saving even 2000 was not worth an experience.

I had no idea 

Sounds terrible ,we all I'm sure have had "bad ones " 

Actually going back on my report last May ,I stayed in the Tartawan and got a guy from Grindr said he was top and looked a top.

When I opened the door there was a guy looking like a lady very tall 6ft 3 in his 30's who pushed past me went straight to the toilet and proceeded to stink the toilet out ,

"Hi Darlink " he said as I opened the door to look up at him

I'm not sure he was even Thai he looked more Somali ? 👴🏿😳

He then pushed past me walking like a ladyboy with swaying hips straight to the bathroom and slammed the door 

He /she came out where we argued.

I said that's not you in the pic ,he said "it was 10 years ago darling !🙄

I said GTFO and gave him 200b

He said you pay me 1000!

1000 now ! 

Lucky I had the security guard👮‍♂️ was outside in the hallway I had no idea why until I figured out later that the guy had been abusive to him perhaps?

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

I had that those thoughts last April...but I'm coming back again.

What are those thoughts caused by ?

I have no idea... boredom perhaps? Same place ..same things ?

Any psychologists here?

in my case boredom, definitely not. I can imagine being bored in Bangkok even if I was there for few months.

I think it was accumulation of almost serial disappointments coupled with cases of excessive greed like that of Tawan new boy above in which I blame mamasan who inserted himself into discussion uninvited. Subconsciously I just wanted out.

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

 

Actually going back on my report last May ,I stayed in the Tartawan and got a guy from Grindr said he was top and looked a top.

.....

I said that's not you in the pic ,he said "it was 10 years ago darling !🙄

I said GTFO and gave him 200b

 

quite similar to my case from 2014 I  described above. In case of boys from apps is good practice to meet them  outside of room - in restaurant , on street somewhere or at minimum no further than lobby. In case we don't like what we see it makes escape from the deal easy. As soon as he is in the room , things may become hairy if not outright dangerous ( I know one of former members needed to resort to remove boy by force  but try that with aspiring bodybuilder )

[reader]

5 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

I had no idea 

Sounds terrible ,we all I'm sure have had "bad ones " 

Actually going back on my report last May ,I stayed in the Tartawan and got a guy from Grindr said he was top and looked a top.

When I opened the door there was a guy looking like a lady very tall 6ft 3 in his 30's who pushed past me went straight to the toilet and proceeded to stink the toilet out ,

How did he get your apartment number?

[Olddaddy]

43 minutes ago, reader said:

How did he get your apartment number?

I was staying at Tartawan gave him the room number 

I was surprised to see the security guard outside though when I opened the door for him to leave and I purposely stood near the door in case I had to run 

[bkkmfj2648]

11 hours ago, 18past19 said:

Though food was passable, I really like its location. Thank you vinapu. 

@18past19, When you return to Pattaya - let me take you to one of the many restaurants that are on the Prathamnak cliffs - that overlook the Pattaya Cosy Beach and Gulf of Thailand  with an amazing sunset view of nearby Koh Larn island.

When you take the bathbus (songthaew) from Pattaya City to Jomtien - the bahtbus goes over a hill that separates Pattaya City from Jomtien and the neighborhoods on that hill are Prathamnak and Cosy Beach - where Cosy Beach has the seaside cliff with amazing views.

[bkkmfj2648]

10 hours ago, Shonen said:

Maybe he wanted to get to jomtien soi 12. The partying starts about that time every night. I’ve had boys rush because they wanted to be there. One time I went with a guy and met his loa friends there.

Wow @Shonen, I am impressed that you managed to get into the Thai inner circle, if you have frequented the famous Jomtien soi 12 - where our guys after the the bars close - and even after gay volleyball on Dongtan beach concludes, they head over for an all-nighter on the Jomtien soi 12 beach - where many find themselves drinking until the sunrise and/or passed out on the beach disoriented when the morning tourists start arriving on the beach to start their beach day activities....

From what little that I do know about Vinapu's @vinapu Dreamboy guy, I do not believe that he is the Jomtien soi 12 type.

[18past19]

32 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

When you return to Pattaya - let me take you to one of the many restaurants that are on the Prathamnak cliffs - that overlook the Pattaya Cosy Beach and Gulf of Thailand  with an amazing sunset view of nearby Koh Larn island.

@bkkmfj2648

Thank you much.

Now i have two real good reasons to visit Pattaya again, the second being my regret of not joining Mr A during their dance on X Boys’ stage that night. 

[vinapu]

11 hours ago, 18past19 said:

Now i have two real good reasons to visit Pattaya again, the second being my regret of not joining Mr A during their dance on X Boys’ stage that night. 

I told you  he is something ! I know from personal experience

[vinapu]

 

Day 6

 Today bit touristy day. I went to Grand Palace  area by the boat  to browse markets there and was very successful as I did not spent a penny. Weather today quite agreeable so I decided to take a walk from there , all the way  to National Stadium BTS station.

Commented already in one of threads that I was shocked to find quite a long stretch of the street without any trace of 7/11. It felt like being transposed to some other country. But when I finally found one, standing in front of it unwrapping ice cream  , I could see another two in short distance.

Arrived in the hotel at 3 and jet lag raised it’s ugly head, collapsed on the bed (alone !!!) and slept till dark. I noticed that already few years ago that with age jet lag is tormenting me more and more.

I’m not trying to fight it, simple when I feel sleepy I just go to the bed and sleep.

At 21.00 met another member in Foodland for supper , thanks to one of boys I discovered they make very tasty soup. Staff there must be wondering why I’m not breakfasting as always but this time I have breakfast in Raya, it was only 2 $ more for the same room with breakfast then without so choice was obvious. As I have plan to visit every bar at least once and my friend did not have any particular agenda I suggested Dreamboys.

Quite full but we got good seats in front of the scene. Two rotation of boys , perhaps two dozen per rotation. Few familiar faces, including nr 27, transplant from Moonlight whom I offed  from there in May , serious contender for world’s championship in kissing .

Soon I shortlisted my list of desirables to four, said # 27 and three other hunks with numbers 5, 77 and 109. In several minutes 5 and 27 were seated with customers and 109 offed altogether so my choice was quite mainstream it seems. I was hoping to see certain Handsome Cambodian I saw there in May but he seemed to be absent or gone.

No harm done as tonight I had my sights on Moonlight sand it’s where we went next , arriving exactly during model parade greeted enthusiastically by few mamasans and smiles in my direction from few boys.

 One of mamasans leached  on me as it’s his habit, suggested he can call Y, knowing he is my favorite from there but my sights were on  handsome numbers 9 and 10 but both were called over by other customers and mamasan suggested J # 30, Viet , claiming he is keen on LT.

 As it happened I knew the same from spoon so called boy over when mamasan went away for a second , just to annoy him as reason for his leaching is tip extraction. Indeed LT  was agreed and soon off we went to Raya. Since my room was on  floor 5 , we took an elevator to 4^th and walked one floor up , just to maintain discretion. (for those not in the know, reception in Raya is on 5^th floor).

Earlier I asked if J is hungry but he was not. Choice proved excellent, warm , muscular and active, he suggested massage and it was bordering on professional so he likely got some training. Excellent compensation for previous sandbag night. Excellent pick I can vouch for. No rush in the morning although he declined  breakfast so I feasted alone after he left. Definite highlight of 1^st half of this trip and money well spent. Very well ! 

 

[vinapu]

Day 7

 After breakfast I packed few things to take with me to Phnom Penh, rest tucked into suitcase and on departure at noon left in deposit with reception as I will be returning to Raya after tomorrow. Check out at 12 , my plane departs at 3 so lots of time to get to Don Muang and have a duck with rice in coupon restaurant in the walkway between SRT station and terminals.

  My usual way of getting to and from Don Muang is BTS to Mor Chit, then 2 stations by MRT to Bang Sue and then red line SRT to the airport. It takes roughly 60 minutes , much better than 1hr by slow, rickety local train from Hualampong previously.

For reason unknown for that 1hr flight Air Asia assigned me seat in their premium section in row up front, not that I complained.

 In PP 5$ for SIM card, 10 $ for tuk-tuk to the hotel. Beauty of Cambodia is that one doesn’t need to change money as long as has USD’s although changing some money to riels helps with small purchases as don’t expect restaurant charging 4$ for a meal  have change from 100 $ note. So I exactly did that, exchanged 100 $ into local money.  

 By time I settled n my Ok Place Hotel it was darkening so I went for a supper to Polish restaurant nearby , one I discovered by chance in January.

 My only goal for such short hop was Space Hair bar visit and I already reported on it in PP thread as below :   

   “ Happy to report I visited Phnom Penh recently to get a haircut and  visit Space Hair bar 2 nights in row. Both nights I was only customer between 9pm  and midnight, only then some customers arrived and sat till close at 2 pm. 

So not unpleasant task of entertaining all 7 bays present each evening fell on me. I did it with pleasure and expense was worth it. 

Best thing about Space Bar is absolute lack of pressure to buy drinks or/and dispense tips. 

knowing what question everybody wants to ask, answer is : no this time I did not get lucky, not for lack of trying. Thing is with no other customers it's hard to get that discrete moment when crucial questions can  be asked.

Still it was worth time and expense “

It was bit strange to be only customer but drinks are cheap and boys super friendly . One of them seeing me seated  when he arrived , screamed ‘ my husband is here “  , this only was worth 100 $ airfare.

As boys generally don’t go with customers , it takes a lot of discreet work to convince one to and lack of other customers was not conductive to discretion as all eyes and ears were on  me. As result I went home empty handed. At 2 am streets were deserted so I opted  for 2$ remork ( motorized rickshaw), bargained down to 5000 but at destination gave him 2$ (8000 riels).

For their troubles I tipped each of 7 boys either 20000 or 5$ and make exception for ‘husband” forcing discretely 10$ on him extra as reward for not divorcing me yet.