The Most Adorable Dud

[TotallyOz]

Took home a guy last night who made me think he was going to be fantastic. Instead, he was like a fish. Dead in bed. Does not kiss, smoke, or anything else. Basically only wants to JO. Since we had discussed what I wanted before and told him not to come over unless he was able to do something, I was greatly disappointed. After about 5 minutes in the bed, I realized that he would not be worth it so I asked him to leave.

 

Would you have given him any money? What amount would you consider appropriate if any?

[Guest Astrrro]

Took home a guy last night who made me think he was going to be fantastic. Instead, he was like a fish. Dead in bed. Does not kiss, smoke, or anything else. Basically only wants to JO. Since we had discussed what I wanted before and told him not to come over unless he was able to do something, I was greatly disappointed. After about 5 minutes in the bed, I realized that he would not be worth it so I asked him to leave.

 

Would you have given him any money? What amount would you consider appropriate if any?

 

Since he doesn't like kissing or smoking, I guess the only option was to penetrate him? :smile:

 

The way I see it once the guy is naked in bed you have to pay some money. So whatever the minimum is for shorttime which I suppose is 500 baht. An insurance policy so that there is no trouble.

 

I think it is always a good idea to try to kiss in the bar to test the waters and see the reaction though some bars are not set up for this.

 

One friend of mine, frustrated with the divergence of what they say in the bar and what they do in bed tells them in the bar, "No fuck, no money". He also has them play with his dick in the bar so they can't act surprised and say too big. Fortunately,or unfortunately depending on the perspective they can't play the too big game with me.

[Guest xiandarkthorne]

200 Baht taxi fare is all I have ever given for duds.

[Guest Astrrro]

200 Baht taxi fare is all I have ever given for duds.

 

Curious, have there ever been any unpleasant scenes with the 200 baht? I like to avoid potential trouble so have just paid them off.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Many years ago I had this kind of problem in CM. All was agreeable until we got in bed. In my estimation it was a scam and I don't do well with scam artists. I refused to give him anything. It got unpleasant, but I stood my ground and ended up call the hotel security and finally the night manager who escorted him out.

[Guest beachlover]

Sheesh... Sounds pretty cut throat.

 

I guess if they deliberately lie about what they will do but don't deliver, it might be fair enough.

[Guest RichLB]

Paying nothing for undelivered services is most probably the fair thing to do, but I advise against it. Thais do not forget - even after several years. I would think of the forfeited short time money as a purchase of peace of mind. You don't want to have to watch your back all the time and have to deal with whatever lies might be spread about you. I'd guess that if delivered with a smile and good nature the "fee" can most probably be negotiated downward.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

That is tantamount to extortion.

[Guest RichLB]

That is tantamount to extortion.

Yep, it is. But this is Thailand and the land of tea money, corruption, and payoffs. I suppose a braver man than I would stand up for principles, but I would just give in to it and go about enjoying my life.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I didn't give in and had no problems with my decision.

[Guest]

Yep, it is. But this is Thailand and the land of tea money, corruption, and payoffs. I suppose a braver man than I would stand up for principles, but I would just give in to it and go about enjoying my life.

I agree with you on this Rich. I did the same thing last night.

 

I didn't give in and had no problems with my decision.

I am sure you don't. Many would not have any issue with it. I did only in that I know the guy and he sees me around all the time. If I were in USA and this happened, my decision would have been different. But, TIT and I did not want any issues for myself or my future.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Remember I said this was many years ago in CM. I was there as a tourist and was leaving the next morning for Pattaya.

[firecat69]

Remember I said this was many years ago in CM. I was there as a tourist and was leaving the next morning for Pattaya.

 

 

Probably would have given him 500 baht and make sure he knew how unhappy I was!!!

[Guest beachlover]

Isn't 500 baht one of the going rates for short time?

 

I suppose if you're leaving the next day and not worried about trouble you could just give 200 baht for a taxi as a tolken payment... But it sounds like they get really pissed off so if you're sticking around, 500 baht might be the way to go.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I really don't understand people thinking a boy who blatantly lies to you about what he will do should get anything.

 

If you hire someone to come paint your house and they look around and say they can't/won't do it, do you pay them anything?

[Guest RichLB]

I really don't understand people thinking a boy who blatantly lies to you about what he will do should get anything.

 

If you hire someone to come paint your house and they look around and say they can't/won't do it, do you pay them anything?

Again, you're absolutely right if the guy actually intentionally lied. But haven't we all had the experience where we went off with someone and once the clothes were shed our desire went, too. I'm not in any way trying to suggest you are not a very attractive and sexually appealing guy, but it could be that something just turned the guy off. I know it's happened to me. I've gone off with some guy with whom I planned to do all sorts of wild things, but when we began to get into it, whoosh, there went my lust. It could be as innocuous as a mole behind his knee, the smell of his cologne, or just the way he approached having sex. I never know why it happened, but it has. Maybe this guy had one of those moments with you - I think we all have at one time or another.

[Guest]

Maybe this guy had one of those moments with you - I think we all have at one time or another.

 

I might agree with you if this was a date that was arranged via the Internet and fake photos were used. I doubt the guy he is referring to had one of those moment but thought what the hell, I'll get some money from this guy.

 

For me, I know for a fact the guy was hoping that I'd just pay him a little and move on. He needed some cash. He knew me and has seen me for years walking around the Plaza. To be honest, if he had said, "hey, I need 500 baht to pay my rent. Can you please help me?" If it were the first time he had ever asked, I'd help him. It would have saved tons of time.

 

In Thailand, all of the guys I meet I do so in person before they come to may place. Being active in hiring working boys for many years I never leave anything to question. I ask specifically what they can and cannot do. Anyone who has a boy sit next to them in a bar and doesn't have this conversation is nuts. It may be embarrassing to ask them but it saves a lot of time in the long run. If you are not going to pay the normal rate, you also need to have that conversation. I never do this in Thailand as I always pay above the norm. In Pattaya, I typically pay 1500 baht for a short time. I don't do overnights and don't like anyone sleeping over so if they come over, they can usually be gone in 40 minutes or less. In Brazil, every boy in the sauna is different and wants a different price from a foreigner. So, I also talk money in detail before I do a "programma."

 

When I was in NYC, I had a good friend who was an escort and I asked him how he was able to get off with so many men he didn't find attractive. He said, "I talk to them for a bit and there is something always attractive about them. Maybe not their looks but their kindness, their intellect, etc." For me, I would have a hard time putting out for someone I don't find attractive. For others it is as easy as making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

 

A boy working in this business is a professional and most of them deal with guys they are not attracted to. I know of very few of them that would ever pick one of us as a lover out of a crowd. They are with us for one reason and only reason only. There are exceptions to every rule. Lvdkeyes bf is one of them. Mine is not.

 

Personally, I think we would all handle this different. I called my experience part of the cost of doing business. In Thailand, I have a 99 percent success rate. This was the one percent that was not good for me. I can also find good sex in LOS. But, I am not hard to please. I don't expect a guy to be able to do everything I want. But, I want them to be at least good in something. This one was good at nothing. But, he still still looked adorable in my bed. If I were in USA and at my home in Utah, that might have just made him a winner. Alas, I was in LOS and there were 40,000 others waiting for me outside the door with just a glance and a smile, another guy would be able to take over when the adorable lad left off.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Again, you're absolutely right if the guy actually intentionally lied.

He did lie. He was a prostitute and knew what he agreed to do. If I turned him off, that's his problem, not mine. He was there to do a job, didn't do it and didn't get paid. He was pissed off because he found a farang who wasn't stupid enough to fall for his scam.

[Guest]

He did lie. He was a prostitute and knew what he agreed to do. If I turned him off, that's his problem, not mine. He was there to do a job, didn't do it and didn't get paid. He was pissed off because he found a farang who wasn't stupid enough to fall for his scam.

 

It kind of reminds me of the escorts in Las Vegas. They have a high proportion of scam artists there as it is a very transient city with tourists coming and going all the time. They are not looking for regular customers as much as they are a quick cash and providing no service in return.

[Guest beachlover]

I really don't understand people thinking a boy who blatantly lies to you about what he will do should get anything.

I certainly don't dispute that if the lie is completely blatant.

 

But you have to balance principle with being pragmatic in Thailand. Like, when you gave the policeman that money for the crash you weren't responsible for.

 

Perhaps a tolken 200 or 500 baht tip would have been the practical and wise thing to do to alleviate the risk, however low, of GT getting his head bashed in, or getting a (unjustified) bad reputation since he is a regular in the area, as opposed to just visiting.

 

I know it's happened to me. I've gone off with some guy with whom I planned to do all sorts of wild things, but when we began to get into it, whoosh, there went my lust.

Yeah, but as a prostitute, even if you are "tired" down there, there's no biological performance capacity needed to do other stuff, like give a blow job, cuddle, kiss or be topped is there? Just effort.

 

I also talk money in detail before I do a "programma."

What does "programma" mean? Seen the word used on another forum.

 

This one was good at nothing. But, he still still looked adorable in my bed.

LOL... He's too adorable for you to be angry with him at all isn't he?

[Guest lvdkeyes]

 

 

But you have to balance principle with being pragmatic in Thailand. Like, when you gave the policeman that money for the crash you weren't responsible for.

 

 

In respect to the car incident. I was being pragmatic. I gave the 500 baht to the other driver, NOT to the policeman. It was either that or go to the police station, fill out a lot of forms and end up paying more.

[Guest beachlover]

Sorry... my mistake. You did give it to the driver.

 

So I guess others who recommend at least giving something tolken are being pragmatic in a similar way...

 

In the car accident incident, I wonder if it would have been possible to argue your case at the station and even bring in your lawyer to fight it in court if need be. Sure it would cost you a hell of a lot more... but I would be tempted to do it just on principle so the other guy and the BIB (if the guy pays any commission) gets nothing.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Besides costing a great deal more than the 500 baht it would have taken hours and, frankly, my time is worth more then 500 baht.

 

Regardless, this has nothing, whatsoever, to do with this thread.

[Guest Astrrro]

It kind of reminds me of the escorts in Las Vegas. They have a high proportion of scam artists there as it is a very transient city with tourists coming and going all the time. They are not looking for regular customers as much as they are a quick cash and providing no service in return.

 

I love pouring over stats. Think the number of repeat customers or the ratio of repeat customers to total customers might be a good indicator of performance.

 

I suppose the mamasans would have a rough idea of this stat.

 

So if you find the boy attractive and have good chemistry in the bar and his RC/TC ratio is high then it is a good bet that he can do.

[Guest MonkeySee]

What does "programma" mean? Seen the word used on another forum.

 

I am not sure but I would think this is Portuguese for program.