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RFK Jr. campaign ‘looking at’ joining forces with Trump

The independent presidential campaign of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is considering abandoning his quest for the White House to “join forces” with Republican nominee Donald Trump, Kennedy’s running mate Nicole Shanahan says in a new interview posted online Tuesday.

Shanahan also said the campaign also is considering remaining in the contest to try to win more than 5% of the popular vote and “establish ourselves” as a third-party alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties, and build on that ballot.

“There’s two options that we’re looking at and one is staying in, forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris and Walz presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or we draw somehow more votes from Trump,” Shanahan said in the interview on the Impact Theory podcast.

“Or we walk away right now and join forces with ... Donald Trump and you know, we walk away from that and explain to our base why we’re making this decision,”  Shanahan told interviewer Tom Bilyeu.

 

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From CNBC

RFK Jr. campaign ‘looking at’ joining forces with Trump

The independent presidential campaign of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is considering abandoning his quest for the White House to “join forces” with Republican nominee Donald Trump, Kennedy’s running mate Nicole Shanahan says in a new interview posted online Tuesday.

Shanahan also said the campaign also is considering remaining in the contest to try to win more than 5% of the popular vote and “establish ourselves” as a third-party alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties, and build on that ballot.

“There’s two options that we’re looking at and one is staying in, forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris and Walz presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or we draw somehow more votes from Trump,” Shanahan said in the interview on the Impact Theory podcast.

“Or we walk away right now and join forces with ... Donald Trump and you know, we walk away from that and explain to our base why we’re making this decision,”  Shanahan told interviewer Tom Bilyeu.

 

 

YUP, thats sure what the Trump campaign needs....MORE CRAZY !

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On 8/20/2024 at 10:56 AM, Suckrates said:

 

YUP, thats sure what the Trump campaign needs....MORE CRAZY !

I read somewhere that RFK offered to endorse Harris in return for a Cabinet appointment.   Maybe just a rumor.  If true, glad she said no.  It would be seen as pandering.

For Trump, of course, pandering is what he is and does.  As well as being a felon, of course!

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From CNBC

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to drop out of the presidential race on Friday and endorse Republican nominee Donald Trump, NBC News reported Wednesday, citing two sources familiar with the independent candidate’s plans.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to drop out of the presidential race on Friday and endorse Republican nominee Donald Trump, NBC News reported Wednesday, citing two sources familiar with the independent candidate’s plans.

That seems an "appropriate " move for that NUT JOB     

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On 8/21/2024 at 9:27 PM, Suckrates said:

That seems an "appropriate " move for that NUT JOB     

The telling part of this is that Trump recently called RFK Jr a big WHACK job, and now he says theres a job waiting for him in his new administration.   Shows Trumps thought process is all you have to do is be nice to him and give him compliments and he eats out of your hand.   Which is something Cackles mentioned in her speech last night referring to foreign dictators knowing how to manipulate Trump, and it being an ongoing danger.   Every road leads back to Trump making everything about HIM. 

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On 8/21/2024 at 2:55 PM, reader said:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to drop out of the presidential race on Friday and endorse Republican nominee Donald Trump, NBC News reported Wednesday, citing two sources familiar with the independent candidate’s plans.

 

On 8/21/2024 at 6:27 PM, Suckrates said:

That seems an "appropriate " move for that NUT JOB     

And he did it.

It is interesting that this will probably go down in history as what my Dad used to call "a nobody nobody knowser".  (As in, when shit got broken and none of my four brothers and I would admit who did it).  Nobody knows whether Perot helped Clinton in 1992. It seems pretty clear that Jill Stein hurt Clinton in 2016.  RFK presumably thinks he is helping Trump.  Or at least helping himself get a job with Trump.  What a pathetic slime.

I think this week nailed Trump's coffin shut, if you go by Allan Lichtman.  He is teasing out his official prediction, which he will make in early September.  But he has been super clear that there are four of his keys left to turn. And Harris would need to lose three of the four to be predicted to lose.  That's no longer possible now.  So he will soon predict Harris will win.

One of the four keys is his social unrest key, which last turned in 2020 (Black Lives Matter) and before that in 1968 (riots, including in Chicago).  So he said he was waiting to see if there was any unrest in Chicago.  The opposite.  It was a lovefest.  Which showed a highly unified and energized Democratic Party that really wants to win.

Another key is his third party key.  And Lichtman is black and white on that.  He says a vibrant third party movement (which ends up with at least 5 % of the vote) is ALWAYS going to hurt the incumbent party.  Because his basic model is stability versus earthquake.  And it does make common sense that a third party suggests rumblings for change against the existing order.  Had all those third party voters gone for Clinton in 2016, she would have won.

So RFK dropping out means that key is no longer in play against Harris.   Third parties will not get anywhere near 5 % of the vote.

Bottom line is that Lichtman is saying Harris would need to lose three of the four remaining keys to lose.  And with a DNC lovefest and RFK out of the way, that is simply no longer possible.  So unless he really changes his very consistent tune, he will soon predict Harris will win.

His other two keys are the foreign policy keys, both of which he will probably turn against Harris.  But, again, that leaves her with 5 of 13 keys against her, which says she will win. 

THANKS RFK, YOU STUPID SOULLESS POND SLIME.  If Lichtman is right 11 out of 11 times, you just put the final nail in Trump's coffin.  Couldn't happen to a slimier guy!

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59 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

 

And he did it.

It is interesting that this will probably go down in history as what my Dad used to call "a nobody nobody knowser".  (As in, when shit got broken and none of my four brothers and I would admit who did it).  Nobody knows whether Perot helped Clinton in 1992. It seems pretty clear that Jill Stein hurt Clinton in 2016.  RFK presumably thinks he is helping Trump.  Or at least helping himself get a job with Trump.  What a pathetic slime.

I think this week nailed Trump's coffin shut, if you go by Allan Lichtman.  He is teasing out his official prediction, which he will make in early September.  But he has been super clear that there are four of his keys left to turn. And Harris would need to lose three of the four to be predicted to lose.  That's no longer possible now.  So he will soon predict Harris will win.

One of the four keys is his social unrest key, which last turned in 2020 (Black Lives Matter) and before that in 1968 (riots, including in Chicago).  So he said he was waiting to see if there was any unrest in Chicago.  The opposite.  It was a lovefest.  Which showed a highly unified and energized Democratic Party that really wants to win.

Another key is his third party key.  And Lichtman is black and white on that.  He says a vibrant third party movement (which ends up with at least 5 % of the vote) is ALWAYS going to hurt the incumbent party.  Because his basic model is stability versus earthquake.  And it does make common sense that a third party suggests rumblings for change against the existing order.  Had all those third party voters gone for Clinton in 2016, she would have won.

So RFK dropping out means that key is no longer in play against Harris.   Third parties will not get anywhere near 5 % of the vote.

Bottom line is that Lichtman is saying Harris would need to lose three of the four remaining keys to lose.  And with a DNC lovefest and RFK out of the way, that is simply no longer possible.  So unless he really changes his very consistent tune, he will soon predict Harris will win.

His other two keys are the foreign policy keys, both of which he will probably turn against Harris.  But, again, that leaves her with 5 of 13 keys against her, which says she will win. 

THANKS RFK, YOU STUPID SOULLESS POND SLIME.  If Lichtman is right 11 out of 11 times, you just put the final nail in Trump's coffin.  Couldn't happen to a slimier guy!

I listened to as much of his speech as I could stand without getting completely irritated.  His speech could have been written by Trump. It was another old privileged white guy whining about how unfair the world is to him, its was all "me, me, me."  He couldn't even get over himself to withdraw from the race completely, he still needs to see his name on a ballot. He's partially withdrawing - we all know how partially withdrawing works - in the swing states only. In the event of an Electoral College tie RFK still wants to be considered for President. God he was irritating with his self-serving rationalizations.  

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4 hours ago, RockyRoadTravel said:

I listened to as much of his speech as I could stand without getting completely irritated.  His speech could have been written by Trump. It was another old privileged white guy whining about how unfair the world is to him, its was all "me, me, me."  He couldn't even get over himself to withdraw from the race completely, he still needs to see his name on a ballot. He's partially withdrawing - we all know how partially withdrawing works - in the swing states only. In the event of an Electoral College tie RFK still wants to be considered for President. God he was irritating with his self-serving rationalizations.  

Or, arguably, he is worse than Trump.

One of my nephews has an interesting view of RFK and Trump.  He sees Trump as being just an old blowhard and fool who isn't really a threat to democracy at all.  He feels Biden, Harris, or Trump would all be these business friendly Presidents who will just keep the economy and stock market going.  Which, in fact, both Trump and Biden did as POTUS.  Trump will be happy as long as he can sit behind the big desk and feel he is The Guy, my nephew thinks.   Probably related, he has a somewhat typically cynical view that Presidents don't really do much or matter much, anyway.  So just let him be a blowhard and fool, since it makes no real difference.  He's anti-Trump, but he also doesn't see him as this huge threat.

On the other hand, this nephew has a very negative view of RFK.  Mostly based on the anti-vax stuff.  His point is that RFK is the kind of rigid asshole who, unlike Biden or Harris or Trump, would try to force his very idiosyncratic views on all of us.  Meaning it would be a debacle and a disaster.  And he is at least partly right about Trump.  Trump did go with the flow of what his party wanted, for the most part.  You want your tax cuts to billionaires? Fine.  You want to kill Obamacare? Fine.  Pass it, and I'll sign it.  You can't be rigid about your idiosyncratic views or values when you don't have any firm views or values, anyway.

If I use my family as a model, I think there is some generational shift here.   My Dad, while an ideological conservative, was a veteran who would have agreed with the argument about Trump being a threat to democracy.  One of my brothers who is also a veteran and probably most ideologically like my Dad, center/right, despises Trump for that reason.  Especially for his attacks on John McCain.  Meanwhile, none of that resonates for this nephew, or any of my nieces and nephews as far as I can tell. In terms of younger voters, Harris was perhaps wise to put aside the more old fashioned talk about abstract threats to democracy.

I'm fine if she can defeat Trump by making him small.  Because he is just a blowhard and a fool.  And old.  And weird.  Meanwhile, thank God RFK is now out of the race.  I think my nephew is right that he is the kind of rigid asshole who in many ways would have been an even worse President than Trump. Not that he ever even ran a serious campaign, of course.

At least we can be happy that two egomaniacal losers found each other.  Now they can share the pain of losing together.  Poor RFK won't even get the Trump job he sold the soul he doesn't have for.

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7 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

Or, arguably, he is worse than Trump.

One of my nephews has an interesting view of RFK and Trump.  He sees Trump as being just an old blowhard and fool who isn't really a threat to democracy at all.  He feels Biden, Harris, or Trump would all be these business friendly Presidents who will just keep the economy and stock market going.  Which, in fact, both Trump and Biden did as POTUS.  Trump will be happy as long as he can sit behind the big desk and feel he is The Guy, my nephew thinks.   Probably related, he has a somewhat typically cynical view that Presidents don't really do much or matter much, anyway.  So just let him be a blowhard and fool, since it makes no real difference.  He's anti-Trump, but he also doesn't see him as this huge threat.

On the other hand, this nephew has a very negative view of RFK.  Mostly based on the anti-vax stuff.  His point is that RFK is the kind of rigid asshole who, unlike Biden or Harris or Trump, would try to force his very idiosyncratic views on all of us.  Meaning it would be a debacle and a disaster.  And he is at least partly right about Trump.  Trump did go with the flow of what his party wanted, for the most part.  You want your tax cuts to billionaires? Fine.  You want to kill Obamacare? Fine.  Pass it, and I'll sign it.  You can't be rigid about your idiosyncratic views or values when you don't have any firm views or values, anyway.

If I use my family as a model, I think there is some generational shift here.   My Dad, while an ideological conservative, was a veteran who would have agreed with the argument about Trump being a threat to democracy.  One of my brothers who is also a veteran and probably most ideologically like my Dad, center/right, despises Trump for that reason.  Especially for his attacks on John McCain.  Meanwhile, none of that resonates for this nephew, or any of my nieces and nephews as far as I can tell. In terms of younger voters, Harris was perhaps wise to put aside the more old fashioned talk about abstract threats to democracy.

I'm fine if she can defeat Trump by making him small.  Because he is just a blowhard and a fool.  And old.  And weird.  Meanwhile, thank God RFK is now out of the race.  I think my nephew is right that he is the kind of rigid asshole who in many ways would have been an even worse President than Trump. Not that he ever even ran a serious campaign, of course.

At least we can be happy that two egomaniacal losers found each other.  Now they can share the pain of losing together.  Poor RFK won't even get the Trump job he sold the soul he doesn't have for.

 

Such a devastating humiliation for The Kennedy Klan and the legend of Camelot.....Every family has their Black sheep,  OR a White sheep that HATES a Black sheep, and is the one that needs to be institutionalized..."How do you handle a STAIN called Kennedy" ?   

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4 hours ago, Suckrates said:

"How do you handle a STAIN called Kennedy" ?   

Didn't even think of it.   But that is another reason why Trump and Kennedy are a natural team.   Trump knows how to handle stains, after all.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/08/23/rfk-jr-endorses-trump-after-calling-him-sociopath---his-reversal-explained/

"Despite recent public statements of support for one another, Trump and Kennedy, Jr., the two have expressed bitterness for one another in the past: In text messages obtained by The New Yorker earlier this month, Kennedy called Trump a “terrible human being” and said the former president was “probably a sociopath” while attending the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee last month.

After Trump called Kennedy a “Radical Left Lunatic” whose votes would be a “WASTED PROTEST VOTE” in April, Kennedy referred to Trump’s comments as “unhinged” and a “barely coherent barrage of wild and inaccurate claims” while calling Trump “frightened” to debate him.

Kennedy also said in April Trump “promised to drain the swamp” before he “filled his administration with swamp creatures” and “promised to protect our rights and then torpedoed the Constitution,” in addition to claiming Trump “ran up the biggest debt” in U.S. history during his presidency.

In May 2023, Kennedy said “UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES” would he join Trump on a presidential ticket, as their positions on issues and philosophies “could not be further apart.”

In 2018, Kennedy denounced Trump’s decision to not investigate a link between vaccines in children and autism, reportedly saying those who placed “tremendous faith” in Trump were “feeling enormous betrayal and disappointment.”

That same year, Kennedy wrote in NBC News condemning Trump’s presidential policies, suggesting they did not “actively encourage democracy abroad” and instead reached “some of the most tyrannical governments in the world,” adding the practice was “a discredit to democracy.”...".

Two of the most despicable human beings on the planet. Down there with Putin. At least Putin is a consistent murderer. 

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On 8/23/2024 at 4:37 PM, RockyRoadTravel said:

I listened to as much of his speech as I could stand without getting completely irritated.  His speech could have been written by Trump. It was another old privileged white guy whining about how unfair the world is to him, its was all "me, me, me."  He couldn't even get over himself to withdraw from the race completely, he still needs to see his name on a ballot. He's partially withdrawing - we all know how partially withdrawing works - in the swing states only. In the event of an Electoral College tie RFK still wants to be considered for President. God he was irritating with his self-serving rationalizations.  

You will love this Ron Brownstein interview.  For the first few minutes I was watching it I was thinking, Why does Brownstein look irritable?  He usually looks warm and friendly.  Then he opened up his mouth and unloaded on RFK.

 

I think the right phrase here is that Trump won the battle but will likely lose the war. On a tactical level, there will no doubt be some RFK votes that RFK helps direct Trump's way.  But the bigger picture is what I said about Lichtman's keys.  RFK sank on his own because of his weird shit about brain bugs and eating bears he tosses in Central Park.  But part of his rise was discontent with Biden.  And when Harris entered he just collapsed.  That is good news for how people view Harris. 

More concretely, it now means Trump has to get close to 50 % of the vote  to win.  Which he has NEVER been able to do.  In Pennsylvania he got just over 48 % of the vote in 2016, when he won.  And just under 49 % in Pennsylvania in 2020, when he lost.  So that is the difference right there.  Hillary's loss in Pennsylvania in 2016 can be entirely explained by the 50,000 votes that went to Jill Stein. Maybe Trump can top 50 % in Pennsylvania in 2024 - unlike 2016, or 2020.  But nationally right now OVER 50 % disapprove of Trump, but UNDER 50 % nationally disapprove of Harris.  So unless they can make her a lot more unpopular, those numbers favor Harris in a race where someone has to get to 50 %.

Castellanos is someone I admire.   But his points on this one made me laugh.  First. Mr. Brain  Bug Bear Eater as  heir to Camelot just sounds like too big a stretch.  Second, I was thinking about "intersectionality".  There's no doubt Republicans can have a field day tearing apart woke sounding Democratic ideas about intersectionality. Including by just using the word.  But think about this:  what is Trump/RFK intersectionality?   What kind of voters who do not already plan to vote for Trump instead of RFK is RFK going to draw to Trump?  What conspiracies do they believe?  What kind of unusual animals do they eat?

 

Republicans Increasingly Oppose School-Mandated Vaccines—Though Americans Still Support Childhood Vaccines, Poll Finds

I was curious about what Brownstein said about vaccines.  As always, he has his facts down.  70 % of parents support vaccine mandates in public schools, down from over 80 % less than a decade ago. And the whole change is Republicans, only 57 % of whom now support vaccine mandates in public schools.  So Democrats who already have succeeded in making Trump and Vance look weird, based on the weird things they say, now have more fringe and weird and dangerous shit to tie around Trump.  Which in this case even most REPUBLICANS do not agree with.

Have fun, losers.  

 

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10 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

 RFK sank on his own because of his weird shit about brain bugs and eating bears he tosses in Central Park. 

 

Not to be completely pedantic, and for the public record, I believe it was eating dogs, and skinning bears.   

Even after an assassination attempt Trump's approval didn't reach 50%.  He has a high floor and a low ceiling, as many people have already noted. 

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Collateral Damage :

Poor little actress Cheryl Hines of Carb your Enthusiasm fame has been "cancelled" by Hollywood elites because of the lunacy and insanity of her hubby....   Not sure what they expected of her, as they have separate careers, AND she has NOT publicly endorsed Trump,  but I suppose she is guilty by association in this case ?   I personally hope she cuts him loose or it may end her career for good !    I am not a fan of hers BUT she seems like a sweet lady and a good person. 

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Serial killers, couch humpers, rapists, frauds, thugs, grifters, pedophiles, candidates that carry chainsaws around in their cars... that's some cult the Repubs have going there.

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10 minutes ago, Stable Genius said:

Serial killers, couch humpers, rapists, frauds, thugs, grifters, pedophiles, candidates that carry chainsaws around in their cars... that's some cult the Repubs have going there.

And they still have 47% of Americans wanting what they are serving...  Its gonna be hard to Fix that.

[Stable Genius]

Brain worm Bobby, ex-heroin addict, kept notes on 30 odd affairs he had when married to his second wife, convinced said wife to commit suicide: sounds like a perfect trump hire to me.

Make America Great Again, bring back smallpox, polio, and measles. The iron lung could be so tres chic and those charming small pox scars could be the new trend.