jrie88 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Hi All Appreciate this is not the usual topic, apologies! I've been to most of the usual sights... gogo bars/apps/massage shops in BKK and Pattaya and wanted to try something a little different on my next trip. Does anyone know of any ladyboy type massage0 places? BKK or Pattaya, With twinky/feminine ladyboy types, it's probably a one time thing but I just want to try it I'm guessing it will be around Sukhumvit, but google searches yield very little. Thanks Rie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 hours ago, jrie88 said: Hi All Appreciate this is not the usual topic, apologies! I've been to most of the usual sights... gogo bars/apps/massage shops in BKK and Pattaya and wanted to try something a little different on my next trip. Does anyone know of any ladyboy type massage0 places? BKK or Pattaya, With twinky/feminine ladyboy types, it's probably a one time thing but I just want to try it I'm guessing it will be around Sukhumvit, but google searches yield very little. Thanks Rie try Oscar massage ( not sure of name though) in Silom soi 8 , that's short soi connecting Nantra Silom hotel with Silom road. There are always few ladyboys sitting in mouth of soi soliciting massage services TMax and reader 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMax Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I think the ones you'll want to check out are around Nana BTS Sukhumvit Soi 5 to 7 area, that's where they used to be, it's been a while since I was there last but there were several around that area that had ladyboys in the massage shops. I have found one online, Siam Tulip massage which is further down Sukhumvit rd (Soi 22 I think) but I have no idea if this one offers extras but their ladyboys do look rather nice (might try a take out from there on my next trip). vinapu and reader 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaughn Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 I can't say I've tried, but in Pattaya along Second Rd (both sides) between Boyztown and Royal Garden Plaza there are ladyboy massage shops. I didn't spot any femboy types, but I did go with a guy at one of the shops in a trip i just returned from. Pattaya ladyboy gogos and bars are pretty common, again no experience but some places to look: - Soi 6/1 is the alley behind Soi 6 and known to be the ladyboy soi, some of the bars that are on this side of Soi 6 apparently have mixed ladyboy and lady workers. - Sensations - Delirious - 69bar - Duangjai bar - Kathoeys R Us on Walking St Maybe try looking on https://www.ladyboyspattaya.com/ or https://www.bangkokladyboys.net/ vinapu and TMax 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusleaf Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 You can try 7th Heaven massage on Second road Pattaya (not the Central Rd Branch) There are now two shops almost opposite each other. A lot of ladyboys and at least one very nice guy. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=7th Heaven Massage&ludocid=3450261090082533402&ibp=gwp;0,7&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilu-DVhZKIAxVAzDgGHUYlCTQQvsQGegQIKxAx&ictx=0#lkt=LocalPoiPhotos&sxsrf=ADLYWIKJjMnlW-xPPFxrE4wIrjEsr9Jl6w:1724654229663&lpg=cid:CgIgAQ%3D%3D https://th.top10place.com/7th-heaven-massage-by-nattie-76710505.html vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BjornAgain Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Meena Health Massage in Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi Pothole) in Pattaya has a good reputation for 'breaking in' first timers. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travellerdave Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Yes Pattaya is probably the ladyboy capital of the world with a number of ladyboy bars and many of the many massages employ them, not to mention seeing them on the streets. Whilst being aware of this situation I have definitely never been tempted to try sex with them although I have talked to fellow gays and men claiming to be str who have (bisexual ? !!). The thought of being in bed or having a massage with a guy with breasts really appals me. I think that sex with a female would be less difficult. I’m gay and go to Thailand with the main objective being Asian boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessey Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 21 hours ago, Travellerdave said: Yes Pattaya is probably the ladyboy capital of the world with a number of ladyboy bars and many of the many massages employ them, not to mention seeing them on the streets. Whilst being aware of this situation I have definitely never been tempted to try sex with them although I have talked to fellow gays and men claiming to be str who have (bisexual ? !!). The thought of being in bed or having a massage with a guy with breasts really appals me. I think that sex with a female would be less difficult. I’m gay and go to Thailand with the main objective being Asian boys. Ordinarily I might agree with you these days. But a couple of the more fem boys I have know for a while have transitioned themselves in LBs now; no enhancements, so physically just the same as they always were but now with longer hair and regularly dress as ladies. Got one of them coming to my hotel this afternoon - we will see if the sex feel any different? 🤣 TMax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithambrose Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 hours ago, Vessey said: Ordinarily I might agree with you these days. But a couple of the more fem boys I have know for a while have transitioned themselves in LBs now; no enhancements, so physically just the same as they always were but now with longer hair and regularly dress as ladies. Got one of them coming to my hotel this afternoon - we will see if the sex feel any different? 🤣 Look forward to further news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Everyone has different taste, type, preference. That what makes things interesting. Why would u want to even want to think about having sex with a guy with breast if thats not what you like? Or maybe you are secretly a bi? Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni21 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 48 minutes ago, spoon said: Or maybe you are secretly a bi? Hehe. Surely, if there's anything we've learnt from our adventures in Thailand, it is that the labels gay, straight, bi, etc that emanate from the West and its Judeo-Christian cultural history are pretty hopeless and oppressively reductive when it comes to sexual or romantic attraction. (And sexual attraction is itself a different thing from romantic attraction.) This is not to say, as some of the more woke people do nowadays, that there shouldn't be labels at all. Labels serve as easy descriptors - so long as they are used with as little value judgement as possible - but to properly account for the myriad tastes of real people, we'd need many. many labels than just the simplistic gay, straight and bi. And even if we had that wider range of labels, the reality for each person may be that two or three labels can apply at the same time. Just before I arrived at this thread, I was reading If nothing else, this was labelling gone mad. What the hell is an "LGBTQ" group in the above instance? Of course, this example is also of Thai journalism down the chutey again. As @vinapu has said repeatedly of our paramours-by-the-hour, what does it mean to be straight if they can rise to the occasion when in a cubicle with another guy? Earlier this year, a PBTH had to watch straight porn to get himself up, but when my mouth enveloped his member, the sucking sound (from him, not me) was almost like my hoover. He chucked aside the phone and never looked back. I remember too a guy who described himself as straight but loved toys and fingers in his butt (dicks were verboten though). After we lost touch, I heard he got married to a woman 10 -15 years older than him. I've never seen her, but I am told by another friend (a top-rated bitchy-mouthed queen) that the new wife looked like the classic dominatrix complete with a streak of white hair on one side of her tresses. There are plenty of men whose primary attraction is towards MTF transgenders, but who sometimes go with cisgendered girls. Mirroring them are men who do both MTF transgenders and cisgendered males, though yes, the latter skew to the more effeminate ones. In fact, as regulars in Pattaya will long have observed, even the line between transgender and cisgender is very blur. I have two friends who go gaga over Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan men, but see nothing attractive about any other racial group. Calling them "gay" does not even begin to capture the specificity of their tastes. "LGBTQ" and such simplistic labels aside, I love it as things are: the sheer exuberance of wildly varying tastes. vinapu, pong2, Vessey and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reader Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Agree that sexual tastes run the gamut. What seems most important is how individuals identify themselves in that expansive range. We really can't put ourselves in another's shoes because our sexual attraction is wholly unique. What we can do, however, is accept someone else's description of their unique attraction. Having said that, I don't believe I'm going out on a limb here in saying that 99.67% of members here are gay. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 hours ago, reader said: 99.67% of members here are gay. What is gay though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaolakguy Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, spoon said: What is gay though? Simple! Someone who is attracted to their own gender. EG In the case of males that includes the butchest and the femmist(is that a word?!). Don't overthink it. reader 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni21 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 8 hours ago, khaolakguy said: Simple! Someone who is attracted to their own gender. Actually, that alone opens a can of worms. If it is hard to draw the line between an effeminate cisgender and an MTF transgender, or the line between a butch FTM transgender and a run-of-the-mill cisgender male, where does "their own gender" begin and end? That said, it is also true that going by the numbers, the vast majority of people (cisgender for cisgender) are easy to classify. One has to reach into the edges to find contrarian examples. Oh, on a separate note, I am reminded of a story from decades ago when my body was more marketable and cruising saunas were more popular. There was a guy whom I met several times in a sauna and got to know platonically. I found him fascinating. He identified as straight; he was damn good-looking though in a late-30-ish way. But he was an exhibitionist. He liked being looked at. He had been to nude beaches and all, and found it unsatisfying. Why? because at straight nude beaches, it wasn't the done thing to LOOK. He found a home in gay saunas where, naturally, people looked. And looked. Lots of folks tried approaching/touching him but he hated it and pushed everyone away. There was one night when he jerked off to the great pleasure and applause (yes!) of the assembled crowd. Later I asked him what he had in his head as he jerked off with his eyes closed. "Tits, pussies, of course," he said. I can quite literally say he was in a class of his own. Ruthrieston and pong2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessey Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Casting labels to one side, I have a very simple test - they either make my cock hard or they don't! If they do, and can 'hold my interest', they can have my time and my money! vinapu and reader 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessey Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 19 hours ago, Keithambrose said: Look forward to further news! I knew this lad for several years before as a boy, this was the first time as a 'girl'. She arrived in t-shirt and shorts , and the whole experience was just as warm, wonderful, and passionate as it has been in the past! 'Same same' as I believe some people say! 🤣 vaughn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithambrose Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 17 hours ago, macaroni21 said: Surely, if there's anything we've learnt from our adventures in Thailand, it is that the labels gay, straight, bi, etc that emanate from the West and its Judeo-Christian cultural history are pretty hopeless and oppressively reductive when it comes to sexual or romantic attraction. (And sexual attraction is itself a different thing from romantic attraction.) This is not to say, as some of the more woke people do nowadays, that there shouldn't be labels at all. Labels serve as easy descriptors - so long as they are used with as little value judgement as possible - but to properly account for the myriad tastes of real people, we'd need many. many labels than just the simplistic gay, straight and bi. And even if we had that wider range of labels, the reality for each person may be that two or three labels can apply at the same time. Just before I arrived at this thread, I was reading If nothing else, this was labelling gone mad. What the hell is an "LGBTQ" group in the above instance? Of course, this example is also of Thai journalism down the chutey again. As @vinapu has said repeatedly of our paramours-by-the-hour, what does it mean to be straight if they can rise to the occasion when in a cubicle with another guy? Earlier this year, a PBTH had to watch straight porn to get himself up, but when my mouth enveloped his member, the sucking sound (from him, not me) was almost like my hoover. He chucked aside the phone and never looked back. I remember too a guy who described himself as straight but loved toys and fingers in his butt (dicks were verboten though). After we lost touch, I heard he got married to a woman 10 -15 years older than him. I've never seen her, but I am told by another friend (a top-rated bitchy-mouthed queen) that the new wife looked like the classic dominatrix complete with a streak of white hair on one side of her tresses. There are plenty of men whose primary attraction is towards MTF transgenders, but who sometimes go with cisgendered girls. Mirroring them are men who do both MTF transgenders and cisgendered males, though yes, the latter skew to the more effeminate ones. In fact, as regulars in Pattaya will long have observed, even the line between transgender and cisgender is very blur. I have two friends who go gaga over Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan men, but see nothing attractive about any other racial group. Calling them "gay" does not even begin to capture the specificity of their tastes. "LGBTQ" and such simplistic labels aside, I love it as things are: the sheer exuberance of wildly varying tastes. Very sensible message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithambrose Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 hours ago, Vessey said: Casting labels to one side, I have a very simple test - they either make my cock hard or they don't! If they do, and can 'hold my interest', they can have my time and my money! Absolutely! Vessey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithambrose Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 hours ago, Vessey said: I knew this lad for several years before as a boy, this was the first time as a 'girl'. She arrived in t-shirt and shorts , and the whole experience was just as warm, wonderful, and passionate as it has been in the past! 'Same same' as I believe some people say! 🤣 Glad to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMax Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/29/2024 at 8:34 PM, spoon said: think about having sex with a guy with breast As a bi guy I can say I do enjoy playing with tits and dicks and if they are on the same person all the better, hell even if they aren't on the same person I still like playing with them (at the same time in a 3 way) khaolakguy, reader and vinapu 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkmfj2648 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 8/30/2024 at 10:19 AM, Vessey said: Casting labels to one side, I have a very simple test - they either make my cock hard or they don't! If they do, and can 'hold my interest', they can have my time and my money! Wow @Vessey, I like this definition - as it fits me to a capital T. And in my 63 years of life, my cock has become hard from VERY surprising people and situations - that helped me over the years to better understand myself and what does and does not turn me on. What I discovered is that I do not have a "one type" but instead a "myriad of types" in both people and situations - because people in certain situations are a BIG turn on - but that same person outside of that particular situation is not necessarily going to turn me on..... Consequently, it can be quite difficult to recreate a hot scene - as that unique situation has already evaporated into the ether. But at least the memory of it lingers on for those moments when you are alone to "spank the monkey...." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spank_the_monkey Vessey, reader and vinapu 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithambrose Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said: Wow @Vessey, I like this definition - as it fits me to a capital T. And in my 63 years of life, my cock has become hard from VERY surprising people and situations - that helped me over the years to better understand myself and what does and does not turn me on. What I discovered is that I do not have a "one type" but instead a "myriad of types" in both people and situations - because people in certain situations are a BIG turn on - but that same person outside of that particular situation is not necessarily going to turn me on..... Consequently, it can be quite difficult to recreate a hot scene - as that unique situation has already evaporated into the ether. But at least the memory of it lingers on for those moments when you are alone to "spank the monkey...." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spank_the_monkey A new phrase for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiophilus Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 23 hours ago, Keithambrose said: A new phrase for me! As a lawyer you may be more familiar with "badgering the witness" bkkmfj2648 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
