Bangkok & Pattaya October / November 2024

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

next morning I wonder what's was wrong with me yesterday

I wonder about you too 😆

[bkkmfj2648]

@emiel1981 I hope that you are doing well and enjoying China.

As this thread is your thread and I promised to followup with OUR Mr. Tuesday - I can report that he was my Halloween treat last night, on a Thursday.

So, I went to my Thai friend's bar in the Jomtien Complex and hung out there for a while but my friend was home sick so it just did not have a fun vibe and by 11pm most of the customers moved on.  So, I still had some energy and power left in me (even though it was a gym day - but I took a BIG nap in the afternoon and I refrained from a 4 hands massage) so I took the bahtbus (songthaew) over to Pattaya City to X-Boys - it was around 11:30pm and they were in the middle of their 11pm show.  Ironically Emiel, I was placed in the same seat as you and I were, but what was great was that none of the mamasans, papasans, or managers remembered me - which allowed me to be incognito (as I feared that they would all pounce on me like during our visit for a massive amount of drinks) so that I could watch / stalk for our Mr. Tuesday.  Out he came for the mini golf show and I knew that I had to ask the papasan to get him down from the stage to sit with me.  After the mini-golf was done she had him sitting with me and I bought him a drink.

His name is John and as we both know, he is from Myanmar, and if I remember correctly he is from the Kayah part of Burma.

By now the show was over and slowly slowly the various bar staff started coming over to get a free drink and I was pretty good this time as I only bought John and the related papasan a drink.  You may remember that this was the same papasan who would not get off of my lap when we were there together.  Some of the queeny twink guys also came over to get a free drink, but I barked at them NO - as I was just freshly arrived from the twink heaven Supertown and I now wanted to play with only manly masculine men.

So, I offed John for ST and my total bill was:

 300 baht my drink

 300 baht papasan drink

 300 baht drink for John

 800 ST off fee paid to bar

2000 ST fee paid to bar for John (not given to John)

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3,700 baht total

@emiel1981 when you compare what we spent on our EXCITING night together at X-Boys - what I paid for my Halloween treat was a bargain.

So, was John good ?

Yes and no.  As you may remember he has a very charming personality and is VERY similar in nature as the visiting B-Boys that travel to perform throughout the Pattaya entertainment areas.  For those who are not familiar with the amazing B-Boys - here is a short 10 second video of them in action:

I have over the years, to no avail, tried to off a B-Boy but with ZERO luck.  They even joke with me now as they are so aware of my useless attempts but every once and a while I try to see if my luck will change.

Anyway, I had John in my room and I was told back at X-Boys that he is very straight and is VERY limited at what he will do with another man in bed. 

So, back in my condo he was very uptight and so I took him out onto the balcony so that he could look at the sea and drink some beer where I engaged him in an intense discussion of the current plight of Myanmar and their struggle.  He seemed to loosen up a bit.  What I like about John is that he has a vision/dream (which is often lacking in the guys that we off) where he wants to stay in Pattaya for another 2 years to improve his English where his goal is to eventually relocate to Malaysia to obtain his undergraduate degree - so he saves part of his X-Boys income towards his Malaysia dream and I commend him for this.  I told him that for us who live here in Pattaya it is very hard to meet guys from Myanmar, as they tend to congregate in Bangkok and/or in Chiang Mai.  I asked him why he came to Pattaya instead of these more popular Myanmar destination places (BKK and CM) and he said that the Thai people in BKK are very unfriendly to the Burmese people and he said that here in Pattaya - because he is so rare and Myanmar people are so few - nobody treats him badly.  He said that the X-Boys owners (a Thai guy and his French partner) created a family like feeling where our guys are looked after and given housing (for a fee) in a building very near to the X-Boys facility and he really likes this.  He also mentioned that he is currently the ONLY Myanmar person on the current X-Boys staff and none of the Thai staff treat him badly - like he was treated back in BKK.  I asked him, then why do so many Myanmar guys congregate to BKK??  He said because there are more opportunities to make money, more fellow co-nationals to create friendships with, and this one amazed me - he said that BKK is more conservative than Pattaya and this appeals to the Myanmar people because they are shy, reserved, and conservative in nature - whereas, Pattaya is seen as being wild and too open.

I love these insights.

By now he has finished his big bottle of beer and he takes a shower and I wait for him naked in my bed.  It is already 2am and I am so tired but all of my systems were in working order and as soon as he touched me I was already rock hard.  Unfortunately, his systems were not like the ones that I saw on the stage back at X-Boys and he apologized because he said that it is difficult for him to be with a man.  I got him hard a few times but I could not make him get an orgasm.  However, for me, I was very easy, as he exemplifies my B-Boys street dancer fantasy, that I had to stop him several times from cumming prematurely as I wanted to enjoy every moment.

Normally, I would exchange LINE, but I decided not to because life has taught me that this realized fantasy and the extreme excitement that came with it most likely could not be recreated knowing what I already know about his limitations in the bed.

So, I give him an 8 out of 10 with the decision to not repeat with him.

Lastly, there is a NEW performer at X-Boys who does the candle show with the other HOT star - the muscle guy that is infamous because of his gigantic cock who wears the fluorescent glow in the dark glasses.  This new guy is also very sexy with a BIG cock and the fact that the X-Boy owners have paired them together for this candle show without any of the other dancers was a good choice in my opinion.

Hopefully, our KFC who is very familiar with the fluorescent glow in the dark glasses big cock muscle guy might find this new entry more appetizing than Mr. Fluroescent ??

 

[reader]

Think you made right decision to be satisfied with your experience but not repeat. Also enjoyed reading about his experiences in Bkk and Pats.

[floridarob]

I was with @Keithambrose last night at the 10pm show, he did a @vinapu and hooked up with someone and disappeared into the night.

I went to Jomtien Complex, yeah, the SUPER one afterwards and stayed until everything was closed.

Then continued the night with a couple of massage guys from TucCom area at a cannabis shop drinking until the sun came up......


Why was the off 800 baht and st fee not paid to John?

[bkkmfj2648]

11 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Why was the off 800 baht and st fee not paid to John?

No idea.

I would need to off another guy or two to see if the same bar procedure would be repeated

- consequently, I cannot state if this was specific to John or specific to it being the X-Boy policy.

13 minutes ago, floridarob said:

I was with @Keithambrose last night at the 10pm show, he did a @vinapu and hooked up with someone and disappeared into the night.

it would seem that perhaps @Keithambrose has already attended @vinapu boot camp training, where the indoctrination is that there is NO time to waste and that every free moment is a possible off. 

[Olddaddy]

14 minutes ago, floridarob said:

I was with @Keithambrose last night at the 10pm show, he did a @vinapu and hooked up with someone and disappeared into the night.

I went to Jomtien Complex, yeah, the SUPER one afterwards and stayed until everything was closed.

Then continued the night with a couple of massage guys from TucCom area at a cannabis shop drinking until the sun came up......


Why was the off 800 baht and st fee not paid to John?

John ? Sounds like a farang

 

[bkkmfj2648]

2 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

John ? Sounds like a farang

"John" was the phonetic sound that was said to my ear when I asked both:

1.) the guy I offed what his name was,

2.) and to the papasan when I said, I want to off the Myanmar guy up on the stage now and the papasan replies with the sound = John.

I am not familiar with Myanmar culture to understand if they give themselves English sounding nicknames like our Thai guys do - like Bank, Oat, Boat, Boss, Pee, etc.

I looked in Google and it does not appear that "John" is a Burmese name.

[reader]

Funny because I often hear an off refer to me as John even when they know it’s not my name 🤔

[Olddaddy]

2 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

"John" was the phonetic sound that was said to my ear when I asked both:

1.) the guy I offed what his name was,

2.) and to the papasan when I said, I want to off the Myanmar guy up on the stage now and the papasan replies with the sound = John.

I am not familiar with Myanmar culture to understand if they give themselves English sounding nicknames like our Thai guys do - like Bank, Oat, Boat, Boss, Pee, etc.

I looked in Google and it does not appear that "John" is a Burmese name.

Maybe your the "John " 😂

[ichigo]

7 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

No idea.

I would need to off another guy or two to see if the same bar procedure would be repeated

- consequently, I cannot state if this was specific to John or specific to it being the X-Boy policy

I would also be interested to know whether/why the short time tip is paid to the bar, rather than the boy. Have never come across this before!

[reader]

5 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

Maybe your the "John " 😂

It’s an honorific.

[Keithambrose]

11 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

No idea.

I would need to off another guy or two to see if the same bar procedure would be repeated

- consequently, I cannot state if this was specific to John or specific to it being the X-Boy policy.

it would seem that perhaps @Keithambrose has already attended @vinapu boot camp training, where the indoctrination is that there is NO time to waste and that every free moment is a possible off. 

Indeed!

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, ichigo said:

I would also be interested to know whether/why the short time tip is paid to the bar, rather than the boy. Have never come across this before!

Indeed, never happened to me and never even was suggested that way but I also almost never enlist mamasan's help  so they have limited opportunities to work their sinister tricks on me. 

[bkkmfj2648]

8 hours ago, vinapu said:

Indeed, never happened to me and never even was suggested that way but I also almost never enlist mamasan's help  so they have limited opportunities to work their sinister tricks on me. 

I don't think that the X-Boys management played a trick, because after I told them that I would off John (not me - but the guy from Myanmar) the main manager guy (who handles all of the invoicing - those pieces of paper that are electronically printed and placed in our check bin) came over and took my already existing invoice that was in the check-bin receptacle and went over to the cash desk and a new printed invoice was presented to me with the line-by-line itemization, where there was a specific line entry for the off fee of 800 baht and the ST tip to the guy of 2.000 baht - and of course there were additional line items for the already consumed drinks. 

What is unknown is:

• is it the X-Boys management policy to have the customer pre-pay for the ST fee as part of the settlement of the check bin before the client leaves the X-Boys premises?
• or, as I have learned and shared in this forum previously - that sometimes our guys use their employers and/or mamasans as banks and finance agents - especially if they are non-Thai - as they may have difficulties in obtaining a legal Thai bank account.  If this would be true, then perhaps, the X-Boys management uses this system to top-up and/or pay off any existing financing arrangements for said guy.  We need to remember that my Myanmar off told me that he lived in a building on the same street of X-Boys (he pointed it out to me when we were in the taxi heading off to Jomtien) and he said that many of the X-Boys live there in the communal type of housing provided by the bar - BUT the guys need to pay for it.  So, maybe this type of check-bin settlement system acts as a clearing system for said guy to allow that X-Boys is properly paid for any debts and our guys who cannot have proper banking in our LOS wonderful Thailand have a way to have a sudo type of banking arrangement offered by their kind employer?

Thoughts?

 

[BjornAgain]

Having spent some time outside on the bench after the 23:00 show watching the comings and goings of the boys, there was very much a 'family' atmosphere of the place. The management were eating and drinking on the big table by the street, and everyone had a good sense of camaraderie. No sense of hierarchy in terms of who sits where or talks to whom whilst the boys had their outside kitchen cooked meal. So I think you're second point makes total sense.

Also the fact everyone wears their QR coded ID badges, gives the impression of a professional, and potentially trustworthy outfit. (Wouldn't make the same the comparison of UK / USA companies I've worked for, but a small bar / club in the back streets, to me seamed unusual). So paying via the electronic till would keep a record for the boy and bank the funds until personally needed, or as you say @bkkmfj2648, X-Boys expenses deducted. If the QR codes are linked to a clocking in/out system, then 'away time' whilst on shift is logged and their percentage of general tips could be calculated more fairly.

Will inquire more from my waiter friend in coming weeks. Also The French Connection intrigues me.

[emiel1981]

Was good reading your report on Mr Tuesday @bkkmfj2648! And even if it probably was not the best ever (problem for boy keeping hard, not cuming), still you had a good time! Good to hear. 

And off course I do remember the papasan you referring too. How could I forget him? He was more slutty than some of the stageboys that memorable night we were in Xboys together... How come nobody recognized you? After all the drinks we bought the boys that night you would think they would remember you when you walked in again a week later. 

China is nice. Good to visit this country and to be able to cross it off the lost. But it will never become my favorite country. Not much action going on here. In some places I was, the nearest gay on the apps was more than 100km away... Lol. In Beijing I had a nice massage with some extra fun. That was good. He is a hairdresser / masseuse who offers to do his services in sexy underwear. See one of his profile pics below. I didn't need a haircut unfortunately but I opted for the erotic massage. 

Tomorrow I travel to Shanghai. Apparently a bigger gay scene. So maybe get some action there. Otherwise I still have 4 Bangkok nights before I fly home to make up for the action-less China time... 

[floridarob]

46 minutes ago, emiel1981 said:

Apparently a bigger gay scene

I've had more fun in Beijing than Shanghai, for what it's worth..... As much as I defend "Asians" when my friends say they have small dicks, I'd have difficulty sticking up for China, in my limited experience, lol

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

 line-by-line itemization, where there was a specific line entry for the off fee of 800 baht and the ST tip to the guy of 2.000 baht - and of course there were additional line items for the already consumed drinks. 

 

Thoughts?

 

I don't mind that way of doing things as long as boy indeed receives my 2000,  not, say 1800 because bar takes commission or something.

Somehow I smell something sisister and not only fact that that way we need to pay set tip while boy could agree to lesser amount. But as long as it preserves boys interest I'm OK with that but only to a degree. 

[ichigo]

And whilst on the topic of X-Boys (apologies for hijacking the thread), the last time I was there, I noticed on their number tags, a letter preceded the number (I think some had 'S' and others I forget now). I asked a staff member what it meant, but he said there is no meaning behind it. True?

[Keithambrose]

3 hours ago, ichigo said:

And whilst on the topic of X-Boys (apologies for hijacking the thread), the last time I was there, I noticed on their number tags, a letter preceded the number (I think some had 'S' and others I forget now). I asked a staff member what it meant, but he said there is no meaning behind it. True?

I wondered too!